first grow log, I WILL need help

[michaelpeg]

i will be growing 2 seeds found in some good weed. I will be using distilled water, foxfarm ocean forest soil, and the nutes will be foxfarms grow big and tiger bloom. I want you guys to let me know exactly what you think because i have a bunch of crappy grows under my belt, my last grow yielded ~10g and consisted of 4 fem PPP, very pathetic. so help me get my plants looking as good as your plants.

P.S I am quite generous with handing out rep

[michaelpeg]

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[Italiano715]

you probably already know this, but Cal-Mag needs to be added to the distilled water.

[AssassinDJ]

Yeah mang, unless your tapwater is just rancid, i'd just keep it simple and use that. Let it sit out and evap the chlorine and you're good to go.

Not too familiar with Tiger Bloom or FF, but as long as you dont over fert too early in their growth, you should be good. To keep it safe, medium strength directions. I'd also recommend adding a little B1 to your water early on to promote stable roots...

good luck!

[michaelpeg]

yeah sorry forgot to mention i will also be using cal mag and ph down of course. the reason for the distilled is because my tap water comes out at 8.2 which i am not too comfortable with and I want to see if maybe that is what is causing my horrible looking plants but we will see. thanks for the luck i will need it.

just wondering what is your guys take on the ph down? do you add it to the water right before you water your plants or do you add it, wait an hour and then check ph?

[headshake]

my tap water is higher than 8.2 and i still use it.

i add the pH down, take the pH and then use the water. i will try the other way today and see if it makes a difference. what type of pH down do you have?

-shake

[michaelpeg]

i have DNF ph down. it is about 2 years old... im not sure if it expires or not but the bottle is still almost full. If i get the same problems with the distilled water and cal mag then i will definitely go back to tap.

[greenatik]

well distilled is neutral so around 6.0 ph? after adding nutes you'll be like 5.0-5.5 ph. stick with the tap water or you're going to need ph UP :rasta:

[headshake]

neutral is 7.0, and you are correct that this should be the pH of distilled water.


-shake

[michaelpeg]

so far so good, both seeds germinated and are out of the soil. One has a little stretch on it because i didn't put it under much light the first day it was above ground. I just finished watering them with distilled water and cal mag mixed in at 5ml per gallon. water going in was ph 6.7, came out at 6.6. They are currently under 2 43 watt warm cfls until they are a little bigger and then they will go under a 400 watt hps. Am i missing anything so far?

[RichRich]

They are looking good to me so far......that seems like to correct amount of light at this stage. Ph is perfect for a soil grow. What is the temp of the room? high and low if you know it. Are you keeping them at 24 right now?

[michaelpeg]

the battery died on my thermometer but im sure the temps are between 80-90 F all day and yes i have the lights on 24 hours.

[JD1stTimer]

Looks good. :) Just hope at least one is female. I use my tapwater with no ill effects comparable to using spring water. It has a very high pH and chlorine content. It's also very hard, you can knock someone out if you throw it at them with enough force. ;)

Distilled water would be pH 7 if it has no dissolved gas, but it usually has co2 in it which lowers the pH. Because it has no buffering capacity, less acid is needed to drop the pH. I assume with your PPP grow you did not get into cloning. I would highly recommend it. If you get a female you should keep her in veg and take clones from her so you can have a continual supply of plants to flower and you will know their production characteristics. :thumbsup:

[michaelpeg]

I dont really even mind if i get 2 males as long as they are healthy looking and i can carry the experience to my next grow. yeah the reason i didn't get in to cloning is because each plant had no branching what so ever, i mean NONE and i did attempt a FIM on one of them which gave me a tiny branch about 1 cm long which in the end had a very tiny bud on it lol i will post pictures of the plants. (I still have the stems for some reason lol)

[michaelpeg]

the last one compares the thickest part of the stem with the inside part of a pen. and keep in mind i grew these for around 6 months! the plants all had about a 2 inch bud on the top of the stem and a few tiny ones underneath.

[michaelpeg]

day 3 - no problems yet, here are some pictures of them and the box they are currently in. ignore the other plants in the box that are not in the black seedling planter.

[michaelpeg]

Day 5 They look ok so far, maybe a bit small? one of them has slight curling under of the leaves for some reason. For those who start there plants in those seedling things that come with the humidity domes, how long do you wait before transplant? I was thinking maybe another 5 days or so.

[cheapguy]

Still at it michaelpeg good to see ,it's looking good have you gotten a crop off yet,it's been a year or so since i talked to you last just wondering,you seem determined and alot more educated.GOOD JOB
And then i read the whole log and answer my question duh!!!!!
Things are dry where i'm at no weed anywhere till fall ,thats why i can't think straight lol!!!!!!!!!!

[michaelpeg]

lol good to here from you again, yes i have read quite a bit in the last year, hopefully this will be the crop that will give me a decent yield. sucks to hear you're out of weed man, It doesn't stay dry here very long but when its dry I get real grumpy lol. Hope you stick around for this one:jointsmile:

[michaelpeg]

Day 7 - A week from breaking soil today and the leaves on both seem to be curling down, one more than the other, could this be that they are asking for a transplant maybe or what? they are not under watered nor over watered, and not a ph problem runoff is 6.5. they are watered once a day as the cups are somewhat small.

[michaelpeg]

day 8 - I transplanted my plants last night but there has been no improvement in the drooping leaves. What could be causing this? My ph is fine, temps between 75-85 all day, and i have only watered with distilled water and cal mag at 5ml per gallon. Is this maybe not enough cal mag? also the leaves have a little red on the edges.

[michaelpeg]

come on guys a little help here??

[Italiano715]

Soil Grows - Peat Based

What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)

Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)
.2) Distance from tops?
.3) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...)
.8) Size of container.

Your nutrients and water:
.9) Source of water. (tap or filtered) What's it's ph?
10) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...)
11) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...)
12) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
13) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering?
14) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)
15) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate?
16) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph?
17) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?

Your growroom:
18) Indoors or outdoors?
19) What size of closet, room or hut?
20) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
21) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?

Your strain:
22) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
23) From seeds or clones?
24) Is this an autoflower strain?

[dmahny88]

your plants will be sad, their roots, still small. but the hopes could be promising if it don't get worse; What i see:
1your plants are stretched; you messed up a day but idk, should they be better now? is this a problem of light lumen, distance, or reflection? maybe it's 2your medium; as a rule, seeds don't need much help underground-wise with nutrition but they do enjoy the correct environment. that soil looks a bit odd to ME so thats another guess i have
3your setup looks, well, valid so keep it up if it works. maybe consider a change in your growing area(the buckets they are inside?) and redo how you ventilate them(fan position)..third and final suggestion. hope your babys live! gl
Peace:thumbsup:

[michaelpeg]

damn the info is all here but i will fill the thing out anyways

What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...) dumbass novice

Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. mainly 2 42 watt warm cfls
.2) Distance from tops? about 1.5 inches
.3) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...) none
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? yes
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? i have a fan blowing air on them constantly not a closed box
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 42 watts ~2700 k on for 24/0

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil, fox farm ocean forest nothing added
.8) Size of container. 4 inch

Your nutrients and water:
.9) Source of water. (tap or filtered) What's it's ph? distilled ph 6.5
10) Method of checking water ph. ph pen milwaukee
11) Method of adjusting water ph. nothing needed cal mag brings it to perfect
12) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. NONE
13) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering?I dont feed and i will be watering every 3-4 days
14) Any additives or tea's? cal mag
15) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? stable
16) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? ingoing 6.5-6.6 outgoing 6.5
17) Do you foliar feed? NO

Your growroom:
18) Indoors or outdoors? Indoors
19) bedroom
20) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? lights stay on temps 80-90 humidity no idea
21) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? NO

Your strain:
22) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) bagseed
23) From seeds or clones? seed
24) Is this an autoflower strain? maybe maybe not

[michaelpeg]

your plants will be sad, their roots, still small. but the hopes could be promising if it don't get worse; What i see:
1your plants are stretched; you messed up a day but idk, should they be better now? is this a problem of light lumen, distance, or reflection? maybe it's 2your medium; as a rule, seeds don't need much help underground-wise with nutrition but they do enjoy the correct environment. that soil looks a bit odd to ME so thats another guess i have
3your setup looks, well, valid so keep it up if it works. maybe consider a change in your growing area(the buckets they are inside?) and redo how you ventilate them(fan position)..third and final suggestion. hope your babys live! gl
Peace:thumbsup:

im confused but thanks:wtf::stoned::jointsmile:

[bonedaddy420]

you should get some 6500k bulbs instead of the 2700k for veg, and probably you should add some more bulbs, if possible, but yeah, get the "daylight" temp bulbs, and for flowering use the 2700's.

[michaelpeg]

thanks, yes i know higher kelvin is better for veg as it keeps down stretching and makes em bushier but i highly doubt that this is the cause of my curling leaves.

[Italiano715]

from reading your troubleshooting forum, the only thing I can think of that may cause that curling is humidity issues (since you have no idea what it is) or it may be the FFOF soil that is too harsh for the seedlings as of now. I'm sure the curling leaves will subside in the following week or so! I hope they pull through for ya!!!!

One of your pictures it shows your lights....They don't look like 2700K to me. Maybe the flash of the camera caused it to have the "white" color to it? IDK maybe you should lift the lights a bit to around 2-3 inches rather than 1-1 1/2
and see if that makes a difference!

[michaelpeg]

yes they are indeed 2700 k i cant seem to work my camera very well and also there is 1 cool cfl 23 watt in there (the smallest one) but i didn't mention it because these plants aren't really using that bulb. ok I will lower them a smidge. thanks

[cheapguy]

Was wondering whats up ,gives us a update mike

[michaelpeg]

Day 15 - Ok here is an update, I hope nobody pukes at the sight of my ugly plants, I fed them for the first time yesterday with half strength growbig ph of water going in was 6.7. I am starting to realize there just might be no hope for me. I have done everything by the book and I still have horrible results. I guess we will wait and see how the plants react to the growbig and hopefully they will start to take off.

[headshake]

how often are you watering? how much are you giving? how are you telling that they need water?


-shake

[michaelpeg]

i judge by the weight of the pot and kind of by how long it has been since previous watering, usually about once every 3 days. no overwatering here, I have overwatered many times in the past. forgot to mention that yesterday i switched back to tap water from distilled as the distilled water didn't help me with my problems whatsoever.

[jkilla420]

Stick your finger in the soil to just past your middle knuckle about 2 to 3 inches in if its not moist water. In a small container like that it may dry up quick maybe water every other day. Use nutes only once a week and you may want to wait until you at least have some 5 to 7 leafs or about 8 to 12 inches tall to add the nutes once a week.(They should be good on just water until they reach that size) Add them to your gallon of distilled water then PH Balance after adding the nutes, start off 1/2 to 3/4 what they call for on the nutes just to see how the plants will react.

[jkilla420]

Also when they are young you can get away with just using a spray bottle and spraying about 20 to 30 times to water every other day so your not totally saturating the soil.

[fourkicks]

keep your head up and bring those babies back to life. some soothing music might do the job and some tlc. no neuts there way too small too handle it.try to get them up a bit and bushier before you give them neuts mate

[michaelpeg]

Hey killa, thanks for taking time to help me. With my plants no nutes=death i have no choice to nute them or they WILL DIE that is a gaurantee. I haven't fed them until yesterday and that is the shape they are in. I know alot of people will agree with you about waiting until a certain node to feed but i constantly tell others to not listen to that because there is no way in HELL my plants would ever make it that far on water alone. I would stick my finger in the pot to judge moisture but with the pot being so small i dont want to penetrate a bunch of roots and also am not a huge fan of that because I find that most of the moisture is actually in the center of the pot where the roots are ( I find this out when I harvest and take the soil out of the pots often in the center will be a bunch of damp soil and roots even after i think there is no way they could still be wet) and as for getting them bushier, I dont know the definition of bushy, take a look at my last plants stems posted earlier in the thread, those aren't branches from a plant they are THE plants! however i do plan on topping once they get bigger. As for the soothing music, I may have to try that as I am running out of options and this was also suggested to me buy a former old hippie grower. We will see the results of the nutes and you may be pleasantly surprised, as far as I know I have never had nute burn, but then again i could be wrong as i dont really know what my plants have.:rasta:

[bickeybammer]

does your soil have nutes in it? looks like over nuting for sure.. are you using water that is through a water softener? use the water out of your hose outside and let it sit out over night ... your plants will survive off plain water.. ITS A DAM WEED! you can grow it without any nutes AT ALL

good luck :hippy:

[michaelpeg]

POST 420!

Hi Bickey, i have been using distilled water and calmag at 5mls per gal (or .66ml per 500 ml) and all my previous grows were with tap. I am growing in foxfarm ocean forest. No i would not be able to grow it without nutes and since so many people keep saying this I will show you all what happens when I dont nute, I will start another bagseed and it will die just for you guys.:thumbsup: and if you say foxfarm is too hot thats okay because I have some other soil that has no nutes and mostly peat and frankly I dont want to waste any more of my $50 small bag of foxfarm OC... Damn shipping

crap I forgot i mixed that peaty soil with some other soil on my previous grow, when i pick a small bag up i will let you guys know probably later today or tomorrow.

[michaelpeg]

and another thing, if this is overnuting, why can others keep their plants alive in miracle grow?:wtf:

[BeFree]

I vote over nuting. Fox Farm is pretty harsh on the young ones. I've grown bagseeds in beer cups of seedling starter on ZERO nutes. Just plain 6.5 PH'd water. And they grow lush and green. Transplant into some MG moisture control and perlite, and they explode.

I think going to your local nursery or something along those lines and getting some seed starter. Peat is also known to cause low PH. So keep an eye on the runoff PH and let us know what it is.:jointsmile:

Maybe even trying a little more perlite that what the FFOF comes with may help with drainage. If the organics in the FFOF are time released or 'soluble' and you have over moist soil or not enough drainage, the extra moisture could cause the soil to have nute buildup and burn or even lockout the plants.

begood MP.

be

[michaelpeg]

Hi Befree, I have only had success in seedling soil, if you even call 10 grams out of 4 plants success although my very first grow yielded about 14 grams off 1 plant (caramelicious) and as far as i know there is no seedling soil in existance that isn't peat based (not in canada anyways). The current runoff of my soil is ph 6.5 quite perfect.

also the plants that made it to harvest were grown in the seedling soil right through flowering and i nuted every second watering.

and like I said I will show you guys exactly what happens when I use plain soil with nothing in it, I already know what happens, the plants look good at first, wouldn't exactly call it lush and green though, then they stop growing all together, and then turn into 1.5 inch little greenish brown pieces of shit as if they have just completly starved to death.

[headshake]

your temps are a little high. it looks, by the pictures of your setup that the hot air is stagnating in your bucket. the fan blowing on your (hopeful) ladies doesn't really do anything to help this as it's more than likely swirling hot air around in your bucket.

try playing with your setup.


-shake

[fourkicks]

i play classical music on a loop for the first two weeks on low volume.the results are strong plants that can hold big buds.also bend them back and forth every day to make them more sturdy...try it . no pink floyd,they hate it

[michaelpeg]

haha lmao thanks man that cheered me up a bit ok i will see if i can find some classical music, I enjoy it myself.:)

[michaelpeg]

your temps are a little high. it looks, by the pictures of your setup that the hot air is stagnating in your bucket. the fan blowing on your (hopeful) ladies doesn't really do anything to help this as it's more than likely swirling hot air around in your bucket.

try playing with your setup.


-shake

I agree, this is the last thing I can think of... come to think of it my first plant and most successful plant was the only plant i grew in the basement where it was quite cool. hmmm I will try this next plant in the basement, i would rep you again if I could.

but I still stand by what I say with feeding plants and i bought some soil, it is the first time i seen this soil at rona and it cost me almost 8 bucks for this little bag.

[michaelpeg]

ok I germinated a bagseed and is now in my new seedling soil.

Question- the ph of my tap water has always been around 8.2 for the last 2 years now all of a sudden I check the ph today and it is ph 6.8:wtf:, whats up with that? Its not my meter because i checked it with my liquid kit as well. Has anyone else had a dramatic change in tap water ph?

[Italiano715]

I don't have that big of a drop, but mine usually ranges from 7.4 to 6.3

That's why it's so crucial to know your PH when growing, little thrown off can do some damage :mad: lol

[michaelpeg]

Day 19 - For those that think i had nute burn here you go, they look a hell of a lot better after the nutes. and this is why I dont wait until a certain node to feed.

[jkilla420]

wow those pics from from your previous grow at 19 days no nutes and your new pics with nutes do look quite bad
the set up you have will create wind burn with that fan blowing down onto them in the bucket like that you always want your wind gowing across them or coming from the under side of them sort of blowing the leaves from underneath with that large fan blowind down on them it will cause the wind burn and kill your plants and stunt the growth think about the wind out side when you look at plants its always blowin across them or from a slight angle up from the ground blowing across but up at the same time this will always work best for instance if you were to cut a nice size whole in two sides of your bucket so the air could come in one side and go out the other while setting your fan pointed towards the bucket and the hole instead of down into the bucket it should eliminat any of the wind burn that may cause the plants to wilter and stunt in growth
As for the nutes if you are not using soil like mirical grow or something that has nutes in it good for the first 2 months or so of growing i would still wait till the plants are at least sprouting 5 pointer leaves before adding any nutes and than only at half what is recomended per gallon of water till u see how they react I have grown in mirical grow and never had a problem with the plants needing nutes for at least the first 2 months than i would add once the plants were about 8 to 12 inches tall and i have always had great results i also used cfls

[michaelpeg]

wow those pics from from your previous grow at 19 days no nutes and your new pics with nutes do look quite bad


are you blind? are you saying there is no improvement or they look worse after adding nutes? Shows how small of a person you are:thumbsup:

[cheapguy]

I went through your journal again to help out.The only things that i can tell of been told to you already,so i'm going to explain how i do it,maybe you can get something out of this.It's a plant and you seem to have a problem growing
and shouldn't be this hard 'so here it goes.
I start by putting seed in a cup of ph'ed water about 5.8,my tap water is 8.2
I done this for about 3 years with 100% success.About 1 to 4 days i get roots
I then put my seeds in a cup of perlite and vermiculite carefully with the seed shell sticking out of the medium,and water with tap water brought down to a ph of 5.8,and soak the medium with water until the water comes out the hole in the bottom of the cup.Now this is where we disagree i DO NOT add nutes until i see at least 3 sets of leaves.my tap water is about 150 ppm on its own,so there is some nute's from my tap,like rust,calcium etc but very little and unknown exactlywithout a test,(no chlorine).At about 3 weeks i start with the nutes,i use dnf 2 parts nutes at about 200 ppm to start, watering every 3 days.Now my tap water is 150ppm,so i am only adding 50ppm of dnf grow nutes,not much at all,you don't want to shock the plants with too much nutes to start.As your plants grow bigger,you bring your nutes up at roughly
200 ppm every week(i'm estimating here, sometimes more, sometimes not at all depends how your plants look).now your setup,your fan should not be blowing on your plants when there that young,have your fan blowing acrossed the top of your box,as the fan blows it will draw air from the box as it flows acrossed the top.Check your plants if they move just a little bit every couple a seconds then you know there is air flow.
The temps could be a problem at 85 or more,give them 18 hrs of light 6 hrs of dark, you don't need 24 hrs lights at this point.take them out of the box and put them on a window ledge or in a bright room for a few hrs a day,the will like it.
I'm not a expert but have had some good luck going pot,stick with it Mike,it will come through,hope this helps and good luck bro
P.S if i think of something else i will get back to ya

[mazman1989]

those plants need help with more light

[michaelpeg]

thanks cheapguy, yeah i have switched my lights to 18-6, I know my temps have alot to do with it but I have no air conditioning and it gets pretty darn hot some days. lately it has been cold and raining outside and cooler in the house and all my plants are doing quite a bit better. The setup they are in right now is only temporary, when they go under the 400 watt hps they wont be in a stupid box.

[michaelpeg]

those plants need help with more light
thanks man but I dont think so. As far as I know lack of light causes stretching and not sickly plants.:jointsmile:

[GaGrown]

I've experienced that the height you have your light and strain your growing causes stretching. Sativa is the worst as far as stretching goes. As soon as you put them into flower they go crazy with growth! The lower you can get your light to the tops of the plants the shorter they will be.. That will get the nodes growing closer together..

Ga Grown!

[jkilla420]

Posted by cheapguy

Now this is where we disagree i DO NOT add nutes until i see at least 3 sets of leaves.

now your setup,your fan should not be blowing on your plants when there that young,have your fan blowing acrossed the top of your box,as the fan blows it will draw air from the box as it flows acrossed the top

THESE ARE THE SAME POINTS I MADE TO YOU IN AN EARLIER POST SO WHY ARE YOU TALKIN SHIT TO ME AND NOT CHEAPGUY WHEN HE IS SMART ENOUGHT TO POINT OUT THE SAME STUFF GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PLANTS LEARN HOW TO TAKE SOME ADVICE

[jkilla420]

BY THE WAY IM NOT BLIND YOUR PLANT LOOK LIKE CRAP WITH OR WITHOUT NUTES

[fourkicks]

hay michael... are your lights on during the day time when its hotter outside..if so change to the night time,this will help the temps... and get a hydrothermometer,they are cheap and essential. if you dont know the temps and humidity how can you fix anything? best of luck with them,they are perking up..:)

[cheapguy]

What's the update mike ,how's it coming

[michaelpeg]

hay michael... are your lights on during the day time when its hotter outside..if so change to the night time,this will help the temps... and get a hydrothermometer,they are cheap and essential. if you dont know the temps and humidity how can you fix anything? best of luck with them,they are perking up..:)

yes my lights were on during the day and i have how switched them to be off from 3:00pm - 9:00pm thanks for the tip, good idea.

Day 31 - I am going to continue this log with barneys farm fem red dragon and fem LSD, about the same age as the bagseed. Not continuing with the bagseed because i only had enough foxfarm oc for 2 1 gallon containers and didn't want to waste it on 2 unknown gender bagseed. I may buy some miracle gro moisture control and put the bagseed plants in that but i dont have high expectations for them. The red dragon and lsd are under 400w hps they dont look great but are doing okay, pictures will come later today.

[MerryPrankstr]

Alright Michael!

Those two were on my "short list" on my last buy.

I'll be watching :)
M.P.

[michaelpeg]

welcome, good to have another person to keep an eye on things. don't get your expectations too high though, I have yet to have a trouble free grow.

[cheapguy]

That's ok Mike you only get better with practice,a 400 watt is all i use for flowering you will notice a better crop
peace

[michaelpeg]

sorry for the late not great pics, burned the red dragon a little, shouldn't have nuted right after transplant. LSD leaves looking twisty and wierd not sure why my guess is just from having a rough start (hot temps and limited air circulation) but has been growing well the last 7 days or so.

pic 2 red dragon
pic 3 LSD
pic 4+5 bagseed

[fourkicks]

looking better michael.. what type of light is that you have..

[weezer]

i see theres a couple DNF user here,i also use it///

michael...
heres my method to pop seed
put in glass of water for up to 24 hours
place in moist paper towel in plastic
then put in a 500 mil cup filled with promix soiless dampen
still here after 12 hour power outage.will finish.
i fert when first ture leaves start
i would stay away from MG products..
any help i can give you i would be happy to share

[michaelpeg]

thanks guys, the light is 400w hps

[headshake]

you might want to fashion some kind of reflector to place above your light.

you can use a piece of cardboard and an aluminized auto sunshade.

keep it up man!


-shake

[weezer]

so how old are those plants??
have you got a PH tester???

[michaelpeg]

so how old are those plants??
have you got a PH tester???

just over a month old, yes i have a tester. I know they should look alot better for their age.

[michaelpeg]

you might want to fashion some kind of reflector to place above your light.

you can use a piece of cardboard and an aluminized auto sunshade.

keep it up man!


-shake

yeah lots of wasted light, I have been looking for reflectors online but they seem to always come with the socket attached. Not sure how to make one myself or how I would mount it, if you or anyone has step by step instructions on making a reflector let me know. Thanks

[michaelpeg]

actually I now found a batwing reflector with socket not included but will have to come later when i have more money.

[headshake]

you can buy hoods online without the socket. try here (http://www.htgsupply.com/products.asp?categoryID=5).

or like i said, use a piece of cardboard and an aluminized sunshade for a car. i found mine at the $.99 store. just cut the cardboard to the size you need and put the shiny side of the shiny side down. better yet, get a piece of flat white poster board. they have the kind with the foam inbetween the sheets.


-shake

[fourkicks]

cut a beer can in half and mount it as a ghetto reflector:thumbsup:

[fourkicks]

.........leave the end with the mouth hole on it and cut a circular hole for the end of the bulb..i think there is somthing on the faq section.. happy growing mike

[cheapguy]

wow looking better you are on your way ,a board painted white for a reflecter
is better than nothing,do you have access to some mylar by chance.

[michaelpeg]

thanks for the suggestions but i think i am going to wait until I have enough money to buy a batwing reflector. money is tight right now.

I do have access to mylar from the local hydroponic store but the stuff comes on a roll and it NEVER uncurls, perhaps because of the climate they store it in i dont know but anyways a royal pain and I probably wont try it again.