LED Aerospring Garden Grow Log

[Joefarmer]

Greetings everybody! This is my first indoor grow ever! Been doin' it outside for a while, and am now expanding my horizons. Here's what I've got:

3x3x7 closet
1 Procyon 100
4 23w cfls (5500k for veg, 2700k for flowering)
AeroSpring Garden w/8 3" netcups
4" computer fan in the ceiling for exhaust
1/2 reflective insulation board lining the walls
1mil. mylar on walls
20lb CO2 tank w/regulator
Liquid Earth nutes
Super Thrive for some extra spice
Bag seeds
Lotsa TLC

Lights are on 18/6, nutes are at half strength, will try to keep pH @ 6.8 and CO2 @ 1500ppm

[headshake]

looks cool. i'm in.


-shake

[Joefarmer]

OK, pH is 6.7 CO2 1000 ppm. Unplugged the exhaust fan to ramp up the ppm's a bit. Will probably set it to a timer. As of now the CO2 goes on for 2hrs at first light, then at 15min intervals until dark. Seems kinda like a double edged sword here; I need the exhaust but it's depleting the CO2. Setting the fan to a timer might help the CO2 levels but it won't help with odors or heat buildup (not really a problem with the LED) the room stays at about 70 w/fan on maybe 75-80 w/out the fan. Any suggestions?

Also, they're in rockwool & LECA. Seedlings are 5days old and are rooting nicely in their super bubbly/aerated environment. I will likely ScroG them.

Pics: 1. room now with 4cfls, The rest: notice the roots that was before any nutes.

I welcome any advice from you seasoned indoor growers. Especially on the subject of LED lighting. I'm sure I'll have plenty of questions along the way.

Also be sure to check out my outdoor Purps/BlueCityDiesel log!

[headshake]

i've always read, and i'm sure many around here will agree, that for co2 to be effective you should be using it in a sealed room.


-shake

[irydyum]

OK, pH is 6.7 CO2 1000 ppm. Unplugged the exhaust fan to ramp up the ppm's a bit. Will probably set it to a timer. As of now the CO2 goes on for 2hrs at first light, then at 15min intervals until dark. Seems kinda like a double edged sword here; I need the exhaust but it's depleting the CO2. Setting the fan to a timer might help the CO2 levels but it won't help with odors or heat buildup (not really a problem with the LED) the room stays at about 70 w/fan on maybe 75-80 w/out the fan. Any suggestions?

I'm with shake on this one. You are probably just burning up co2 if you are exhausting often. The most effective use of co2 needs to be in a sealed room with an air conditioner or chiller and the only exhaust that is necessary then is to cool light hoods. The reason we run so much exhaust is to keep a fresh supply of co2 going to our plants, if you are adding co2, you don't need to move air to get more. Putting your exhaust on a timer would help co2 levels build, until it all got sucked out. You will have to figure out if it's worth it to deal with more heat or less co2.

You can always send the emitter and tank to me, I'd be happy to let you know how it works!! j/k Take care

[bigworm1922]

Another thing is that the PH should be around 6.0 for hydro not the 6.8 your use to for soil! Hope everything goes good for you. I will check in from time to time to see how your doing.:thumbsup:

[irydyum]

good call worm. too caught up on the co2 to pay attention to that.

[headshake]

Another thing is that the PH should be around 6.0 for hydro not the 6.8 your use to for soil! Hope everything goes good for you. I will check in from time to time to see how your doing.:thumbsup:

good catch on the pH bigworm! i totally missed that. even 6.0 is a little high by most opinions. 5.3-5.8 is the ideal range, although some strains like it a tad higher.


-shake

[Joefarmer]

thx everyone. pH down it is. And as far as the exhaust goes it was at 1000pm with the fan on which is better than whatever the ambient air provides. I'm not about to ditch it though. Too much $ invested at this point. I'll just keep an eye on the heat.

[headshake]

irydyum, i think we posted the same thing at the same time. lol. your post wasn't there when i hit reply! lol. good stuff.

we've been crossing paths all day, ping pong style.

bigworm, that rep was for irydyum. but you deserve some too! i've actually crossed paths with you a few times today too!

sorry, i'm blazed.


-shake

[Joefarmer]

thx everyone. pH down it is. And as far as the exhaust goes it was at 1000pm with the fan on which is better than the avg.300ppm the atmosphere provides. I'm not about to ditch it though. Too much $ invested at this point. I'll just keep an eye on the heat.

Just had another thought... So the CO2 builds up to 1500, then it gets exhausted when fan comes on...Will the duration that it was at 1500ppm benefit the plants at all even if it's temporary? Can the plants make use of it while it's there? Still not the most efficient use of my tank though. I'll just have to see how long it lasts me then decide. Or what if I kept it at 1000 instead of 1500? that'll save some and still be better that 300. I just have nothing to make comparisons with ie: a grow with CO2 and one without. How much less would my yield be w/out it? Everything I've read says up to 50% more growth with CO2.

[headshake]

i've read all kinds of numbers as far as what it can do for you. from 25-75%. keep in mind that these numbers are for people that have their grows "locked in". if you're not locked in you might just be blowing hot air. (sorry, that was a lame attempt at a pun, lol!)


-shake

[bigworm1922]

Thanks for the props guys. Just trying to help others like others have helped me.


Joe if it where me I would cut the CO2 out for now. Save your money untill your ready. Not trying to keep you from try but I did the same thing when I started. I wanted to stuff everything that the pros where doing into my grow. I then took a step back and started with the basics. Then the next grow I added something to see how it worked out. Then added anoth and so on.

Don't think for a min that is you keep it simple that you won't have a good grow. You will. From waht I see your doing well. Indoor is a diff world from outdoor growing.

Yhat is just my take. I am still way behind to some of the stuff I see on here. I just try to keep learning and pick it up as I go. It is great to have this forum I have learned so much.

[grownd]

I am an epileptic from Va and I have some Jamaican seeds that are supposedly heat resistant plants. Being indoor with co2 is what they need. It would be nice to hook up. Am willing to drive. Just lost my job and have a wife and kid. Keeping my faith and helping others till things look up. Staying high though for the med cost is crazy. Hit me up if your interested.

[Weezard]

Aloha, Joefarmer

I will second Bigworm's advice.
If your temperature is below 85 F. CO2 may do more harm than good.

Led grows can be tricky the first time.
Can't treat hydro like soil, can't treat leds like HPS, etc.

I suggest that you get your first indoor grow dialed in.
When it's right, start the next grow with CO2.
You will have a yeild w/out CO2 for comparison, and then you can see if that 50% claim has merit, yah.:cool:

Not a "double-blind" experiment, but good enough for thinkin' on.:rastasmoke:

Subscribed.

Weezard

[Joefarmer]

Ahh, the mighty Weezard has paid me a visit. It's an honor to have you sir. I'm still torn about the CO2. I've got the exhaust on a timer now and temps seem to be under control. So the way I see it...I've already spent the $ on tank/regulator; might as well use it, it's not too much to refill the tank anyway. I'd just rather leave it where it is than unhook it and store it in a closet. I certainly value everyone's input, just gonna go my way this time and maybe ditch it next grow?

They're looking great now. Growing so fast! Got a leak at the fill tube indicator grommet though so I'm gonna flush this week and repair the leak(slow drip). While I let the caulk dry, obviously I can't have the res full, so I'm gonna take a fogger that I have and run that for a day or so in a bowl of H2O in the res to keep the roots moist. This is my first res change. I'm a little nervous. Any tips on res changes?

[Weezard]

Mahalo for the welcome.:)

"Any tips on res changes? "

Sorry, never change mine.:jointsmile:

'cept between veg and bloom.
I just mix up da new bucket, lift da girl by her mainstem while supporting the rootball with my other hand and gently lower her into the new bucket.
There she sits until harvest.
As long as there's no drastic diffence in temperature they will hardly notice the change.

Now, let's PARR TEE!:rasta:

Weeze

[Joefarmer]

These pics are from last week. They've since doubled in size! Will post again soon.

[Joefarmer]

Pics: 1. Sweet roots
2. Temporary fogponics
3-4. Leaves curling up and a couple yellow spots.

Ok. Drained the reservoir (kind of a pain, might have to get a shopvac). Added the fogger and bubbler to a bowl of the already existing solution and placed it in the bottom of the tub. Caulked the leaks. Yep, found a second one when I took it apart. It was leaking at both sides of the PVC valve where it comes out of the tub. Hope this seals it for good. Temps are not under control as I thought, it was 90 in there this eve. so I added another 15min exhaust cycle per hour. Noticed some of the leaves were curling up at the edges and a couple yellow spots. Could this be from the solution being too warm? Or maybe it needs some calmag? Both? I didn't take the temp but it was definitely high. pH was up to 6.1 and ppm 331. peace

[Weezard]

Suggest that you watch that PH closely.
The bloody 'tron will keep jacking the PH up until the plant can not use it's nutes.
You can take it down to 5.2 and let it creep back up to 5.8 as a nice "sweep", but, left alone it will creep.

Aloha,
And tinkle tinkle :twocents:
Weezard

[crabbyback]

I'm gonna hang out here for a while. :stoned: Subscribed.

[Joefarmer]

Thanks weeze. It defininitely creeps up. Pain in my arse I tell ya.

Temps still at 90 so I'm gonna have to run the exhaust full time now.
Had to recaulk the leaks, so another day of fog it is.

Welcome Crabby!

[Weezard]

"Temps still at 90 so I'm gonna have to run the exhaust full time now.


The extra CO2 will be very useful at those Temps.
Without it growth halts at around 90F.

I did a lot of:beatdeadhorse: when I started:weedpoke: too.
Tried many different mediums and styles.
Fumbled my way through Rockwool and Hydrotron n water pumps n foggers, n Foxfarm n "supernutes" n additives n timers ad nauseum.
About wore me out.

Now I read more and write less while I hunt down the most succesful old growers that haven't stopped thinking yet.;)
(You can learn a lot just following Old Mac around):thumbsup:.

Learned about the joy of coco from Puffzter.
W.T. and Steve Fortier showed me that leds do work when you add some common sense.
Stinky Attic taught me to listen and observe.
Weedhound was patient and generous with her advice and support.
This land is thick with giants and they don't seem to mind when I stand on their shoulders.:jointsmile:
In short, we are in very good company here.

I like what yer doin' so far. Looks promising.:thumbsup:

I'll be lurking on yer grow, bro.
You probably won't hear much from me unless ya ask directly but I'll be da tiny green one in da peanut gallery.;)

Aloha,
Wee Zard

[Weezard]

Aloha, Joe.

Go to your user CP and turn reputation on.
There's some rep waitin' for ya.:D

W.

[ledtime]

Things are looking nice Joe!

Getting the PH under control can be hard. I notice the creep when they have growth spurts. Once they were topped the PH seems to have leveled out even with all of the undergrowth.

I'll be keeping an eye on what you have going on!

Later,
L

[Joefarmer]

Thanks all for the kind/encouraging words. Ledtime, welcome.

Filled the res back up today. Hopefully no more leaks. What an unnecessary bitch that was. Gonna follow weez and bring the pH to 5.2 to give it room to rise. The plants were very forgiving through this time of stress and for that I thank them. I also added a Swiss Chard seed to the plug whose mj seed didn't sprout. Salad anyone?

I installed the frame to mount the ScroG 9'' above the res. Too high? Too bad, its screwed in. Wanted to give myself some space between the screen and res to work. BTW, my outdoor babes are blowin' the f up.

[Joefarmer]

Haha weez. I confused 'tron with 'cyon. Ya got me.

[oldmac]

Hi Joefarmer,

Watch out for WeeZard, he may like flys he's been know to munch salad greens too.

Very nice set up you have going there. I'm partial to aero/fog and LEDs so I really like it. If I can offer my 2 cents on the suject of co2 use.

It's really not important to run co2 during vegative growth , unless you have extreme high heat. Save it for the important time, flowering. I usually start using it 1-2 weeks into bloom once I see the first sign of flowers. Even at lower temps 70-75 co2 will make a good differnce you only need 600-800ppm when you go over 90 or more you can keep the plants respiration going with 1200-1500. Never ever let it go higher then 1500ppm, I usually never go over 1200ppm.

IMPORTANT SAFETY NOTE: Make sure you have a CO2 DETECTER just ouside the grow area. It's a good idea to have one if you have any gas burning appliance in your house.

[oldmac]

I meant to say "get a carbon monoxide detector" not co2 detector.

You should have a Carobon Monoxide dectector in your home if you have aany appliance that burns gas.

[Joefarmer]

Thx OldMac,
Was still having some heat issues so I switched the 18/6 to go on at night when it's cooler and off from 12-6pm when it's warmest. Let's see if this makes a difference. Hmmm so maybe I'll turn the CO2 off until flowering. It will probably save me a refill during the grow too.

[Joefarmer]

Placed the aerator unit outside the grow room cuz I read (forget which thread) that the unit just uses the hot air in the room to aerate the resevoir. Makes sense, seems to have dropped the temp a couple degrees. Thinking of putting the sprayer on a timer too to keep the pump cooler. A few strands of the roots seem to be a bit brown. I think this is from heat stress. Any thoughts on this? Can I remove the brown strands? The healthy ones waaay outnumber them. Timing for the pump?

CO2 is off until flowering.
Topped them all last week. They loved it. They are very tight and bushy. 5+ nodes already.

Just re sealed the leak, yep it came back. Had the sprayer off all night to let the caulk dry and most of the plants were starting to wilt. Turned the sprayer back on and they were perked up by the end of the day with the exception of a couple leaves/leaf tips that I removed. I'm going to have to give all reservoir seals an overhaul after harvest with a more permanent sealer. I'm thinking aquarium glue. I wonder if chemicals from the dried glue or caulk can leach into the reservoir? Don't want that shit in there.

Pics: The last three were taken 4 days after the first ones. CO2 shmiO2
Noticed a couple yellow spots that appeared 10hours after turning the sprayer back on. I misted them this am and have heard that the light shining through the droplets on a leaf can singe a spot like a magnifying glass would. I wonder.

[Joefarmer]

Changed the res today. Did a quick flush with bottled H20. Just ran it like that for a few minutes to flush everything. Also poured a little through each net pot to rinse the medium a bit. Was that an ok way to flush? Nutes still at half strength. May have forgotten to mention I am using liquid earth Vigor along with the nutes. + a drop per gal. of superthrive. Here's a couple pics.

[Joefarmer]

Where is everyone? Whoever checks this log next has a lot of questions to answer! JK, I'm doing just fine, as are the plants.

The ones in the middle, directly under the procyon are taller than the rest. Is this due to the light being too close? It's 8'' from the canopy. I've raised it up a few links to even out the light distribution. They're above where the screen is to be mounted for Scrog. I'm gonna flip to 12/12 next res. change in a week or so.

[MerryPrankstr]

LOL, looks good Joe. Hope mine turns out half as good.
Ben watching from the shadows from the beginning.


Just fix'n to start my first "hydro" grow.

Actually I'm growing some curly leaved basil in DWC as practice.
I quite intimidated even though I've been growing my whole life on and off.

You make it look easy (LOL)

M.P.

[Weezard]

My fingers is a li'l stiff, of late, so I lurk n read.
Lookin' good, brah!:thumbsup:

W.

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

Hi joe,

Been off and on cancom with work and all so haven't had much free time to respond, view new logs etc. Read through the thread and I'd say you learned and listened well bc those girls are looking very well after all the headaches endured so far. After the switch I believe if you keep the c02 levels reasonable, you'll be a happy farmer at harvest :greenthumb:

Sorry though, can't help on your questions because I'm not sure of the correct answer and would never give out false info. I'm an in/out cocoa grower but aero is on my 'to do hobby list' and your grow makes it seem like a promising investment.

Like I said, I don't have an adequate amount of time on here lately but i'll be sure to check back and see how you make out. Keep giving the Tlc and it'll pay off for sure.

take care,
mgm

[Joefarmer]

Thanks y'all.
I make it look easy? Wow. That's nice to hear. And it is kind of easy, as long as you keep checking your levels and stuff. And of course reading and studying the subject with a passion.

Been still having some heat issues. It's been around 80 in the closet for a week or so and they don't seem to mind it, but I did put an AC in the adjacent room to help. I'm gonna switch to bloom next week and still have to install the ScroG. Can't wait to weed out the bastards and start womanizing!

[Joefarmer]

Took some clones today. Will either put them outside or in the aerospring once they're sexed. Trimmed a bunch of fan leaves and added 1/4 strength bloom nutes. Will change to 12/12 and all bloom nutes in two days.

[smokers]

good log joe just going to subscribe will be starting a new hydro tomorrow so will be keeping a sharp eye on this thread as there is some really great experts giving great advice and its answered lots of questions i had already
keep it up
:rastasmoke:

[Joefarmer]

I f'n hate Res. changes. My carpet is soaked. Oh well.
So, today I:
changed resevoir
switch to all bloom nutes (1/2 strength)
switch lights to 12/12
installed the ScroG (raised it to 12" from 9")
trimmed the shit out of the lower branches/leaves
began training tops/branches through the screen (2" chicken wire)

pray 4 pistils

[dizzyground]

Hey dude I've been watching your growing.

I can't wait to see how your LED growing is going and 10 days is a long time to wait for a update!

Give us some new pics! gotta luv pics!

[Joefarmer]

Whew! Was gone 7 days and all is well. My biggest concern was how much the pH would change. I left it at 5.3 and added several drops right before I left and it was 5.4 when I returned! I was expecting 6+ at least. The plants were growing right into the lights too so I raised them several inches. I'll try to post pics tonight.

Also, riddle me this...two of the plants are growing way faster/bigger than the rest and those two happen to be right in line with one of the sprayers. Is this coincidence(mixed bagseed, m/f) or can the little extra spray help them that much? See figure:

1 2 3 4
O O O
5 6 7 8

So the #'s=plants and O=sprayer......2 and 6 are the big ones. As you can see, the other two sprayers are slightly askew from the other plant sites, not right in the middle.

[Joefarmer]

OK so my "#'s figure" last post came out wrong, just imagine 1 and 5 are the big ones, you get the idea right? You'll get a better idea by looking at the pics.

One plant looks like it may have balls. You can't see it in the pic, but I'll be keeping an eye on it.

[wannagethigh420]

I am an epileptic from Va and I have some Jamaican seeds that are supposedly heat resistant plants. Being indoor with co2 is what they need. It would be nice to hook up. Am willing to drive. Just lost my job and have a wife and kid. Keeping my faith and helping others till things look up. Staying high though for the med cost is crazy. Hit me up if your interested.

Hey man, I would like to further discuss your EPILEPSY with you, as I have a sister and nephew with EPILEPSY. I live in your area and am new in town and would like to know how you deal with your EPILEPSY. Please email me at [email protected]. Thank you.

[Joefarmer]

Ripped a male. Three have pistils. One is actually starting to bud.

[smokers]

looking joe perform a sacrifice on that male unless your thinking about seeds
i know you know that but thought id say it anyway
:smokin:

[DJMAYO]

Anymore news Joe? Curious how everything turned out.

[Joefarmer]

These were taken around 8/20. LST'd a couple to even out the canopy a bit.
So there are three slow growers that still haven't reached the screen. They're looking shabby and getting minimal light. I'm probably going to sacrifice them or maybe put em in a pot and see what Mrs. Nature has to offer.

[Joefarmer]

They're still growing into the light causing a few burnt leaf tips. One branch broke out of its LST. They're looking good though. Lots of pistils. So it looks like I'll have two females out of 7. The three small sub-screen ones never had the chance to show sex, and were a lost cause so i eliminated them. It's ok though because there's really only room for those two anyway. They have pretty much been boss since day one.
pH was at about 5 today. It seems to be slowly dropping now for some reason.
Why?
1st pic is what I opened the door to today after 3days gone.

[Joefarmer]

Pics 3-4: Chia Rockwool and Bart Simpson respectively.
Who said hydro was complicated?

[Joefarmer]

Flushed the system w/ pH'd spring water then filled res w/ tap water. I let the tap water sit for a day to let the shit settle thus reducing my ppm's. I'm on a well so sometimes it's a bit gritty.

So should I be flushing with plain water every res change? I do so to keep the sprayers and tubes clean but is it really necessary? It's just such a bitch to do. The res is big and cumbersome in the small closet, maybe not the best fit for the space. I'm contemplating a different system next time. Maybe a few buckets? We'll see.

With the screen in place now I can't pull the res out, preventing access to the male hose attachment for draining, so I just sucked it all out with a shop vac and proceded to get it everywhere. I also accidentally sucked one of the leaves with the vac. Couldn't help but laugh! No damage done. The ladies need a good suckin' from time to time. peace

[Joefarmer]

So one of the runts was removed and put into soil today; netpot, growcube, pellets and all. I will introduce her to the great outdoors. If it yields I'll let ya know.

[Joefarmer]

A few pics. Things are looking good but...

My pH keeps dropping .3-.4 everyday since the last res change. Why? Someone please advise. Remember I'm still a hydronoob here.

I had slight nute burn after the last change as I upped the bloom to 3/4 strength but I added some plain water to dilute it a bit and seems fine now.

[Joefarmer]

Got a hermie folks. Found a few balls yesterday, ripped em' off. Found more today, ripped em off. If it gets worse I'll chop her/he and just have some premie smoke. Just took a few puffs after drying a tiny bit in the oven and I'm a lil' buzzed. Balls are only on a few lower branches so far. Lets hope they don't spread, otherwise I'll be down to one soldier.

[Joefarmer]

Pics taken on day 34 of Flower. Today is day 36.
I think I know what caused the hermie. The light timer has a small light on it and I think it was just enough to have an effect. So I covered it. There weren't too many balls, but I may get a few seeds. No biggie, they'll get used.

CO2 tank ran out, so I refilled it. $35

[JMORGAN]

it only takes one of those balls to pollinate the whole plant, so unless you want seedy buds I'd suggest removing the hermaphrodite. Female plants only produce Resin glands to attract pollen, which is why resin glands are sticky, so pollen will stick to em, and once they've been pollinated, they stop producing resin/THC and put all their energy into seed production. so keep all your plants frustrated virgins until you harvest, that way they'll be the best they can be, but if you want/need seeds, go for it, but you said you already have clones comin, so why bother? just make sure that the clones are from the female plant, not the hermi.

Hope this helps! :smokin:

[Joefarmer]

Thx JMorgan. Yeah I know the deal. A hand full of buds got pollenated and are showing seeds. I'm not worried about it. I'll just pick 'em out. Just want to let this grow run its course to give myself a better feel for the indoor process beginning to end. I'm in there often so I was able to remove most of the balls before they opened.

[Joefarmer]

My cleanest res change yet. I was not going to do another res change until the final 2 week flush, but they were a bit nute burnt from my last nute change when I upped it to 3/4 strength. So it's back to 1/2 strength.

Being bagseed, I'm not sure when they'll finish. So based on their seemingly sativa dominance I'll base my schedule on 10 weeks of flowering. Pistils are still 99% white. Today is day 40 of flower. So I'll do 2 more weeks then start a 2 week flush and see where we are at that point.

[Joefarmer]

Chuggin' along.

Calibrate your meters frequently kids! Mine was off by .4 Very important when the pH drops .2-.4 each day.

So I was concerned in the beginning of this grow that it would finish right when the outdoor finished and I'd be bombarded, but the indoor is definitely behind now, so that will free up some time. Maybe I'll even have time to pop a few new beans before indoor harvest to get them ready for next LED grow!

[Rake420]

I am keeping an eye on this. Planning on doing something very similar in the immediate future. Still trying to decide lighting so this helps lots.

[flippa]

Hey Joefarmer... I am also following your thread. About to kick off a grow with my procyon and cfls (identical lights to yours + 2 watts per bulb) though I will be using soil and dwarf/autoflowering plants. I meant to use my procyon for my last grow but my first procyon broke :( and by time I had received my new light, i ended up using an hps 250watt. So excited to go procyon all the way. Particularly with low height plants. With LEDs not penetrating as much as HPS.. I'm hoping I might edge past 2.5 ounces with a SOG (8 1-1.5 foot plants plants) of autoflowers. I've only ever seen pure procyon and home depot style CFLs grow 2.5 ounces so I would love to see what your end weight is and how your grow goes. One this that is worrying me a bit is speed though.. procyon grows tend to take forever to mature. Having said that every one of the grows I've seen uses the most inappropriate strains for leds. Not all strains are equal under LED in my opinion. With autoflower plants not following light changes... touch wood... I might be able to follow a pretty normal grow schedule + a week or so. Gonna be interesting and hopefully pop out some personal in time for Christmas :)!

Anyway... please keep your thread going I am v interested in. Thanks for all the posts! Cheers!

Oh and btw - if your hermi's balls are growing out of the actual bud as opposed to growing in clusters by itself... that's how you get feminised seeds. A good little tip for controlling the balls is to paint calamine lotion (the pink stuff you can get from most chemists) onto the male balls only. This will stop them opening and pollinating. It's better doing that than chopping the balls off since when you chop... many more grow back in their place. A little something I picked up during my last grow where I had hermis. Hope it helps! And yes hermi bud is fine to smoke. Mine was great!

[Joefarmer]

Thx Flippa!
Yeah mine are taking quite a while to mature. It's gonna be more than 10wks bloom time I think. 11-12? It seems they've had white pistils for ever! I've got maybe 5% red pistils.

I will have many seeds to remove after harvest but the bud will not be wasted. If I don't like the smoke there's always hash, butter, etc. I don't waste a bit. These 2 bagseed plants have pretty much taken over the closet. Scrog barely tamed them. Next grow I will not veg as long and hope to eventually have clones and do SOG style grows with one same strain. This seems more appropriate for LED grows due to the lack of light penetration as you mentioned.
peace

[flippa]

Hey JoeFarmer,

Definitely recommend doing lots of smaller plants either by sexing them earlier or by just growing dwarfs. Since you are using unknown seeds you might end up with monsters still even if you turn 12/12 when they are still small. My last grow I ended up with loads of dwarf plants (on purpose) and topped them after their 3rd set of leaves (meaning they were pretty damn small immature!). If I'd had more time, I would have topped them another time. Either way... I ended up with multiple cola 1.5 foot plants which were beautiful (those were under a 250hps). So much more manageable. I've grown monsters in the past that overwhelmed me and my closet. I know a lot of people are big on LST but I am lazy and topping is easier for me. Better than that is just growing plants that are dwarf in nature in the first place and limiting the pot size. Smaller pot = smaller plant = what I want! They still can bud real well but just need more attention with the nutrients. Having said that I am a soil grower not doing aero like you. Either way... good luck mate with this grow. Am well excited for you! I'll let you know how mine turns out. Starting to think I am only going to add CFLs during the last 2-3 weeks of flower since my space is quite small and I want lots of space around the procyon. This will be a v interesting test of the procyon. Even if I just pop out some popcorn bud... heat benefits FAR outweigh my HPS... and I'm going experimental this grow. The mission is to reap before Christmas. This is gonna be a true test ;). Cheers!

[Joefarmer]

Question 4 everyone. When I do the final 2wk flush with plain H2O, does the water need to be kept at 5.8 or should it be more neutral?
Any help is much appreciated!

[flippa]

Not sure about hydro but for soil I would keep the water at the same PH as it's kept with nutes. I only use same PH throughout the grow whether plain or with nutes... for me that is between 6.6-8. I would guess the same principles apply for you but I've never grown using hydro/aerospring. If I were to use neutral PH7 water it would raise my soil PH to that which would mean some nutes would be locked out and the purpose of the flush is to get the plant to eat any nutes in the soil left over and eat the plant itself free of nutes. Ideally I like to see nearly all my fan leaves yellow and fall off by harvest. Then I know the girls are going to be tasty. Be interested what you hydro growers do re this. Good luck Joe Farmer! :)

[Joefarmer]

Theyre almost ready. Another week or so. Turned the CO2 off yesterday. Temps rose several degrees. Up to 65-68 now. It was 60 for a bit with the cooler fall temps. I also have not turned my heat on yet so its only about 50 in the house. Who'd a thunk I might have to actually raise the temp in the closet?

[flippa]

so how are they looking? Are you pleased with potential yield despite the learning curve involved? A happy Procyon user? My autos have just sprouted and are on day 2 of grow... definitely loving the procyon so far. Early days though!! Keep us posted mate! Thanks :).

Oh yeah - and how have you found the smell? I heard procyons make the plants smell less because they are cooler and the plants don't sweat as much. How have you found it? You must be looking forward to harvest time! I'm rooting for ya :jointsmile:

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

hello farmer,

so how'd these ladies come out?

[M.B.A.]

hello farmer,

so how'd these ladies come out?

yeah?

[Joefarmer]

so how are they looking? Are you pleased with potential yield despite the learning curve involved? A happy Procyon user? My autos have just sprouted and are on day 2 of grow... definitely loving the procyon so far. Early days though!! Keep us posted mate! Thanks :).

Oh yeah - and how have you found the smell? I heard procyons make the plants smell less because they are cooler and the plants don't sweat as much. How have you found it? You must be looking forward to harvest time! I'm rooting for ya :jointsmile:

PC on the fritz. Sorry yall. Taking longer than I thought. Just chopped the hermie yesterday and the other has a few days left. Been flushing for over 3 weeks now! So they'll be nice and clean. The non hermie is looking great! dense colas and very purdy. pics soon!

Flippa, Very happy with potential yield w/learning curve. Both plants dry will be close to 2oz. The hermie, being seedy will just be put into butter or the kief screen, haven't decided yet.
Happy Procyon user?....Absolutely!
Smell? It is minimal. 1st indoor grow though, so I have nothing to compare it with. I have no filtration, it's just vented into the attic and I get a slight whiff of it every now and then outside and inside near the attic hatch. I made a diy 5gal pail carbon filter but never installed it. Not sure it'll fit in the attic space anyway. I'm in a very safe place. It's all good!

[flippa]

Hey glad to hear its all going well buddy! :) I am so impressed with the vegging of my autoflowers with pure procyon am planning on letting them go till only about 3-4 weeks left of flower then will add a few cheap arse CFLs. I'm well impressed that they have flowered bang on time. Only just starting to put out hairs but I have my fingers crossed. I am wondering whether smaller plants (they'll end up 1ft-1.5ft) = better yield with pure procyon. What I would say is so far... Procyon has been a top notch light for me. Flowering is going totally as normal so far. Glad to hear you are pleased with your results! :rastasmoke:

[Joefarmer]

Week 15 of flower... all clear trichs, a few ambers. I read somewhere that plants under LED have longer finish times. I don't want to wait too long though. Especially if what OldMac says is true (not to put him on the spot)...Plants under LED may never show amber trichs. If so, how do I know when to harvest? They sure as hell look ready. 95% red pistils(not that I judge by this), many yellowing fan leaves. Plus, I've got a BlueCityDiesel seedling waiting to takeover the tub!

So, the hermie has been dried,de-seeded,and ground up to be kiefed. I was saving the seeds as they were very healthy and nice looking. Great "tiger stripes". Had them (100+) in an open jar on the counter. One morning I came to find that they were all gone! Disappeared! Mouse! It ate (or hoarded) every seed in the jar and left me the shake. Oh well.

How likely is it that these seeds from a hermie would've produced hermie plants?

[Joefarmer]

BTW. These buds are rock hard! Who said LEDs can't produce nice dense buds?

[LisaDouglas]

Hey Joe - Thanks so much for sharing your pics and process. 15 weeks of flower! So that is typical for LED? That is good to know. This has been a very interesting read. Thanks again.

[Joefarmer]

So, there you have it. They're pretty nice. There were a few seeds from the hermie, but not too bad. They are very resinous, and smoke really nice although they could use more time in the jar. The taste is fine, nothing spectacular, but pleasant nonetheless. The plant yielded just over 2oz. Thank you all for reading and following along. I've got some bluecitydiesel seedlings at a couple weeks now, so stay tuned for that log! Gonna go make some hash now! :rastasmoke:

[Joefarmer]

ILUVNUG:jointsmile:

[Joefarmer]

So it's over a month now and I'm wishing I left them in jars this long. Suddenly the taste is awesome and potency increased almost double since harvest! Definately gonna grow this one again!