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jonblazing
06-25-2009, 08:22 AM
Hey everyone I'm into like third grow, so though I've done a good amount of research BUT.......... My first three were very successful and I try to keep it pretty simple and follow directions for ferts, but I think I went over board on nectar and foliar spray once.

I HAVE SIX WEEK OLD COLA'S ON AN ICE PLANT AND IT WAS BEAUTIFUL BEFORE I SPRAYED IT WITH FERTS INTENDED FOR ANOTHER WW PLANT NEEDING CALMAG+ (GUY AT HYDRO STORE SUGGESTED SPRAY N GROW FOLIAR FEED INSTEAD). ANYWAY, THE TOP LEAVES AROUND THE MAIN COLAS BURNED TO A CRISP BASICALLY AND I JUST TRIMMED THEM. I WAS FEELING WHETHER THE FAN LEAVES SURROUNDING THESE WERE STRONG AND THEY JUST FELL OFF AT VERY VERY LIGHTLY PULLING THEM DOWN.


SHOULD I LET THESE FINISH THE LAST TWO WEEKS BASICALLY ALREADY MANICURED (ICE IS 8 TO 11 WEEKS) CAN IT STILL GROW LIKE THIS OR WILL IT START TO DIE???? ANY EXPERIENCED OPINION IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

6 WEEKS INTO FLOWER
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-Soil Grows-

What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)
NOVICE

Your Equipment:
1.) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's) 250 WATT HPS
2.) Distance from tops? AROUND 1 FOOT
3.) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...) ENCLOSED REFLECTOR
4.) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? YES
5.) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? NO EXHAUST

Your medium:
6.) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...) FOXFARM OCEAN FOREST FOXFARM TIGERBLOOM AND DIAMOND NECTER AT SAME TIME. BAD?
7.) Size of container. ONE GALLON?

Your nutrients and water:
8.) Source of water. (tap or filtered)TAP
9.) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...)AQ KIT
10) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...) BOTTLED LIME JUICE
11) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
12) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)
13) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? I FEED A SOMEWHAT CONSISTENT WATER PH EVERY FEEDING
14) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? INGOING AROUND 6.0 OUTGOING ????
15) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?
I USED SPRAY N GROW (NUTES) RECENTLY INSTEAD OF CALMAG+ FOR A PLANT AND I MAY HAVE OVER DOSED HEALTHY PLANTS CLOSE BY, BY SPRAYING THESE NUTES ON THEM.

Your growroom:
16) Indoors or outdoors? INDOOR
17) What size of closet, room or hut? TENT IS 4 FEET BY 3 FEET 5 FEET TALL
18) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? LIGHTS ON TEMPS AROUND 80 TO 90 LIGHTS OFF 68 TO 75 ????HUMIDITY
19) Noticed any insects in the growroom? MITES MOSTLY UNDER CONTROL

Your strain:
20) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) BOTH
21) From seeds or clones? BOTH

the image reaper
06-25-2009, 01:08 PM
if you foliar-feed, 'especially while flowering', spray the undersides of the leaves, not the buds ... you don't want mold forming in them ... spray them in the 'morning', when the pores are open ... keep in mind, water droplets magnify the light and burn the plant surfaces, possibly what happened to yours ... good luck :jointsmile:

Rusty Trichome
06-25-2009, 01:19 PM
Was it a chemical burn from the CalMag, or did you not raise the lights till the moisture dried? Next time it may be a good idea to ask here before asking the hydro store. We don't have the need to sell you anything to stay in business.

Spraying mature cola's too often can easily result in mold, so use care when foliar feeding in flower. Watch for nanners inside the buds, and at the internodes. Stress can be a bitch sometimes. But after foliar feeding them, did you rinse the leaves off? (some spray's can clog the plants respritory pores which restricts plant aspiration.

Your ph (ingoing) is a tad low. 6.3 to 6.8 ingoing is optimal for nutrient uptake in soil.
Way past time to transplant...but finishing in a one gallon pot, likely you're pretty rootbound and having problems feeding them properly. (starving for space, moisture and nutes)

About Superthrive: Superthrive Myths (http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda%20Chalker-Scott/Horticultural%20Myths_files/Myths/Vitamin%20B1.pdf)

Diamond Nectar is a humic acid, which is good for optimizing the plant's uptake of nutes, just don't overdo it. FF nutes are notorious for salt build-up, so I flush monthly. After the flush I use humic acid. Not too sure of the % of leopardite in Diamond Nectar. Does it say on the bottle?

I've never used Spray-n-Grow, but am not a fan of foliar feeding anything in flower. Regardless...why the Spray-n-Grow and the Tiger Bloom? (Tiger Bloom already has your necessary micro's, so the S-n-G is unnecessary.

At this point, how they are reacting now is the important point. Is there new (unburned) growth starting to appear, or are they getting worse? If getting worse, you may want to harvest early, as it will affect yield and flavors anyway.

jonblazing
06-25-2009, 07:42 PM
Thanks for such quick and detailed responses guys. Rusty, I already had the spray n grow and the guy at store actually saved me from buying calmag, claiming sng is all I needed. Im leary of them selling me b.s. too but this area has no problem keeping that place doing well. Anyway, I use the micro nutes (sng) after some brown and rust spots were still appearing on my fan leaves, dispite using foxfarm nutes. I didnt dry the leaves or raise the lights :( but I did put a big fan on them until dry, to prevent molding. I think it sounds like the water magnifying the light burned the tips or sng sent them over in nutes and I think Ill get 5 gal buckets today. I really appreciate the responses
Anyone know if they'll continue to grow?

Rusty Trichome
06-25-2009, 07:53 PM
If not stunted you should stasrt seeing new growth in the next couple of days, if it was from the scorching. Likely vertical growth will virtually stop as they struggle to repair themselves, but may fill in nicely.

If from overnute, time will tell. Depends on how overnuted they are and what's still available in the soil and on the leaves.

Good luck with 'em, and BE CAREFUL, lol.

jonblazing
06-27-2009, 01:59 AM
If not stunted you should stasrt seeing new growth in the next couple of days, if it was from the scorching. Likely vertical growth will virtually stop as they struggle to repair themselves, but may fill in nicely.

If from overnute, time will tell. Depends on how overnuted they are and what's still available in the soil and on the leaves.

Good luck with 'em, and BE CAREFUL, lol.

Thanks again rusty and btw they're in more like 2-3 gallon pots, is that large enough to send a 3 to 4 foot tall plant through flowering in your opinion?

Rusty Trichome
06-27-2009, 11:30 AM
A tad small, but if it's all you've got... :thumbsup:

Gunner420
06-28-2009, 07:45 PM
keep in mind, water droplets magnify the light and burn the plant surfaces, possibly what happened to yours

im going to call you out on this one image reaper...not to be an asshole, but to hopefully get rid of an old misconception...you are a very smart person, ive learned a lot from you :thumbsup: ...ive heard both sides of this story, but from a lot of what ive read, water on the leaves will only cool them, and that this is an old wives tale....here are some links

Gardening Tips by John Begeman: Spray Plant Leaves Too Keep Them Cool (http://ag.arizona.edu/gardening/news/articles/16.10.html)

Watering myths (http://www.hcs.ohio-state.edu/mgonline/Lawns/law01/13law01.htm)

http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda%20Chalker-Scott/Horticultural%20Myths_files/Myths/Leaf%20scorch.pdf#search=%27leaf%20burn%20%20myths %27


if you wish to debate this, list your reasoning for believing this, and hopefully links to back it up if you have them, it is possible that im wrong, after all, im not trying to be the RIGHT one, i just want to find the RIGHT answer. possibly the best way to solve this would be for someone to make a log and try it for themselves

GaGrown
06-28-2009, 07:55 PM
I would'nt foliar feed that late in the grow... you should be flushing them. I think all you did was sprayed millions of tiny magnifying glasses all over the leaves.. It intestified the light and they were burnt.. Looks good though!:thumbsup:

Rusty Trichome
06-28-2009, 10:31 PM
In veg you can possibly get away with it, if sprayed infrequently, but what do you do for the rest of the day? In flower though, likely keeping a mist constantly going or on every 5 minutes (what you'd have to use to keep the ladies cooled by evaporation) is a bad idea. Especially in high humidity areas. Inhibiting the plant's natural aspiration and transpiration isn't a way to keep 'em cool.
Many times in the past I've sprayed in the morning, and come back later that day...and the moisture is still trapped between overlapping leaves.

As far as water droplets acting like a magnifying glass:
Water-Drop Magnifier - Optics (http://education.usace.army.mil/clubhouse/science/experiment.cfm?Topic=optics&Id=154)
Droplets slowly evaporate. (and get smaller) "the smaller the drop, the greater the magnification". (from the above link) We're not talking a 'high heat causing combustion' focal point, just enough heat to do damage to leaf tissue. Add this to ambient heat and direct lighting. No, spraying is not the optimal solution.