Citral Grow...Starting From Day 3 until I harvest!

[martyrprojekt]

Hello Fellow Hydro Heads...

A little about me first. This is not my first grow. This is however, my first hydroponics grow. I have been researching this for the past 3 months before I decided to take the plunge into growing with hydroponics for my medical cannabis needs.

Seeds:

I started with an order of Citral from AmsterdamMarijaunaseeds.com (http://www.amsterdammarijaunaseeds.com)

A lot of people are probably wondering why this was my choice for my grow. Well, it just makes sense. Hard to kill these plants as they are very resilient. They do not have the crazy odor you will get from most indica/sativa blends...and it has a high THC content. And, the yield is not bad either...1 pound per square meter of grow.

My grow space:

The room I am using is a handicap bathroom. It is huge and is sectioned off very well with natural walls. I converted the shower area for Veg and it is 4x6x8.

Flower room is 6x10x8...need I say any more?:hippy:

It has built in ventilation. Air-in is is courtesy the air conditioning system...bravo. Air-out is via the top of the room with two air vents on timers (1000 CFM blowers). Mind you...the room came to me this way! Yeah for me!:thumbsup:

Lighting in Veg:

I am using a T5 florescent with 4 bulbs for my veg room...

Water and nute system:

Drip hydroponics systems with 3 part nutrients. Following it to the T. I have seen this system work perfectly for thousands of people. Why mess with the tried and true.

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Now you all know what I am using, We will get to the flower room later in this thread. When we get to that point.

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Onto the questions...Opie Yuts...this will not be the first time you have given me epic advice. but, the first time you have given me advice for hydro.

I started with 20 seeds...15 popped and sprouted. 5 of them now look rather leggy, and are falling over. They look really weak in the stems. Then the rest look perfect. ALL THE SEEDLINGS HAVE NICE WHITE ROOT SYSTEMS.

Please look at my pictures and tel me if my lights are too far away from my plants. Perhaps I should still be using a hood for them?

Should I just pull the weak ones now and focus on the better plants? Your thoughts are appreciated and suggestions will all be taken into deep consideration. This grow is not just for me...It is for the benefit of all potential newcomers to this art.

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Happy Growing!

ps...this is not real. What you are reading is fiction. I am playing a role, as most things on the internet are fake. So is this. I do not break the law, nor do I advocate breaking the law. I think all people should never take schedule 1 drugs as they are dangerous and can cause horrible side effects (like the munchies).

[SpaceNeedle]

Oh, that light should be about 10" or so above the top of the plants.
I wouldn't pull anything. That happens to me quite often that the seedlings are to spindley they can't support themselves. Take a piece of wire, or anything and give it a bit of support, not that it was to be straight up, but you what you don't want is the stem of the plant laying flat on the rockwool, that will kill it. They'll stiffen up as they get a bit older.

[martyrprojekt]

Plants tops are 12 inches from the light...But to be fair, the plants have been doing this since I took them out of the dark after 2 days. This is their 3rd day...First day under lights...Have been using nutes since the beginning.

I did take your advice and pull them off the rockwohl. I used zip ties...to prop them up...magical little device I tell you...Just bend it and it will hold up the plants. We shall see how those 5 plants do in the long run...Only time will tell. I am sure they will start growing, "like a weed," come the morning time.
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Happy Growing

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[disrupt86]

every thing looks like its off to a really good start, i do however have a quick question,is that a 2 x 2 trey? if so your going 2 need at least 3 more of those.also if your interested,i was making my own treys with fitting for around 7 dollers that auctually work verry competitively to real flood treys on the market plus itl save you the $50, a 2x2 your next go around. anyways everything looks great!

[martyrprojekt]

I got (4) 3x6 trays. I got them all for $50...yeah Craigslist!

[LOC NAR on probation]

No nutes on seedling for at least 2 weeks then 1/4 strenth.

[martyrprojekt]

Thanks Loc Nar...I will keep that in mind for the next round of seedlings. I flushed the system this morning. Only using Distilled water now.

I will start nutes next week.

I also made an adjustment to the system this morning. I put the plants on a higher table to be able to drop the lights a little lower. I think this will do the trick with the few of them that are leggy. The strong are really strong...the weak are "weeding" themselves out for me. I will still give them another 2 weeks to see how they do overall.

I am also going to apply a fan next week. I am currently using exhaust fans only and air intake to the bottom of the tray...Not using fans yet.

Does anyone think adding a fan would be okay...especially considering that a few of the plants are leggy?

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Happy Growing
-Martyr Projekt

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[Italiano715]

If using distilled water, you will need Cal-Mag or something to replace the calcium and magnesium in the water.

[disrupt86]

yes absolutley add the fan,the sooner the better.the swaying motion will force your little plants to get stronger.

[martyrprojekt]

What was done today:

- So I added a small fan today. The babies that were looking weak are perking up.:thumbsup:


The Game Plan:

- I am hopeful that of the 15 sprouted plants that 10 live and at least half are strong females for mothers. I plan on having a few citral mothers in the beginning...To make more clones. Then after a few cycles, I will throw a couple of them into flower for the sake of having a couple nice big flowered plants.

- Although I am documenting my grow of Citral for the sake of documentation, I do plan on growing 3 different strains in total. I am going to decide which strains after seeing how this one goes. Any suggestions for strains would be appreciated. Heavy THC content and a good indoor yield would be parameters in making such a recommendations.


The status report on my plants:

I do know it has only been one day since my last post...I feel it is very important to document how fast the growth is during the seedling (pre-veg) phase of growth.

So onto the plants that bent...It looks like below where those few plants bent that it looks like a root now...above it looks like a healthy stem, just with some vertical issues;)

(I posted a example picture for you to see what I am talking about).:D

Watering Schedule:

I am currently watering 3 times a day at 15 minute intervals (10am, 4pm, 12pm). I am using 1 gallon per hour drip nozzles and my pump is more than adequate. It seems to be handling the job quite well. But, I have to beg the question...am I OVERWATERING? The plants are not drooping and showing no signs of any issues (besides a couple of them being leggy).

I am going to be adding calmag tomorrow. Thank you for the heads up regarding distilled water lacking calcium and magnesium. I will address this before it becomes an issue.

I also posted a couple pictures of some of the strongest babies. Man they look tough...God I hope they are little girls. In fact, I am praying they are little girls.

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Happy Growing!

Martyr Projekt:hippy:
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[martyrprojekt]

come on guys...anything for me with my questions?

any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Happy Growing

-Martyr Projekt
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[martyrprojekt]

So, When I woke up this morning a few of the plants were showing signs of over-watering. I cut the watering cycle to twice a day (10am & 6pm). Calmag was added this morning also. Hopefully this will devoid myself of issues surrounding the lack of magnesium and calcium in distilled water.

Any help with strain questions would be greatly appreciated.

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Happy Growing

-Martyr Projekt

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[LOC NAR on probation]

I have not tried citral. Interested to see what you think ?

For strains with high THC medical. I would go with papaya or Hawiian x skunk from nirvana. Those are white strains. Northern lights is good. I just tried some purple power , purple kush and white widow. They had a good crop of widow the first time but was not impressed this time. The purples were good.

[martyrprojekt]

I for sure will give you the 411 when I am through with the grow...From what I have heard this is a fun plant to grow...Although, it is proving to be a very difficult and tempermental seedling.

I am considering GDP, Grand daddy Purple...It looks interesting...can only get from clone...

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Happy Growing

-Martyr Projekt

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[martyrprojekt]

So I have taken some recommendations to heart. First, I lowered the lights to almost directly above the plants, about 4 inches above. Also, I dropped the watering cycle to once per day until the plants get bigger and obtain more root growth. :thumbsup:

I am already seeing results from this. The plants are doing well for their first week of life. I have yet to lose a seedling, and that is promising. All of the plants are showing top leaves now and I am excited to hopefully be able to sex and keep all of the plants. Only the next 2 weeks will tell for sure.

I wanted to give a big thank you to all the contributors to this log. You are not only making a differene in my log, but this potentially helps out people wanting to gain knowledge before they wander into the world of hydroponics.

Thanks again everyone...And let me know what strains I should grow next. I am interested in some suggestions. Anything with high THC levels is game for me! height is not an issue! :jointsmile:

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[martyrprojekt]

So today, I checked the ph level, and I was at a perfect 5.8....couldn't ask for better from my distilled water and calmag mixture.

I had to raise the lights a bit, some of the plants were almost near the lights. The girls are showing very strong secondary leaves and i am noticing the massive root growth I am getting from the plants since I cut the watering schedule back to once a day in the morning.

I am still a but concerned about the plants as the leaves are getting much bigger. What do you guys do to keep the plants from falling over when this happens? I am trying to jery rig some things to keep them up....I am sure you can see this in my pictures...it seems to be working, but, I am still concerned about their long term growth in the initial veg state. Is there anything else I can do besides propping them up and lowering the lights?

Thanks!

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Happy Growing!

-Martyr Projekt

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[LOC NAR on probation]

Just keep doing what your doing. They will start to hold up by themselves, the stem will thicken up. The leaves are like muscles, the more you have the stronger the plant.

[tinytoon]

and I will give you an A+ for how your rig looks!!! very nice and neat, organized and CLEAN!!! outstanding from what I see so far :jointsmile:

[martyrprojekt]

Thanks for the compliment. I try to keep my room, and workspace, super neat. I am anal about that kind of stuff. I can wait to expand to the rest of the room. That will be even more fun! :thumbsup:

Plants are looking super healthy today. I will post some pictures later. They seem to be getting stronger by the day. Lets hope that all 16 are strong...and female :D!

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[martyrprojekt]

So I am having some issues with a couple plants. I am seeing discoloration spots on some of the plants...Some lighter and some darker. I posted pictures for you to see.

Also, one of the plants is showing signs of nute burn? The funny thing is that I am not using nutes right now. Maybe it is light burn from my T5 light?

I am using cal mag...should I be using more? Are these signs of lack or calcium and magnesium?

picture #1 and #2 are showing a plant that is discoloring...I have one other plants that is showing lighter coloring. I did not post a picture of this.

picture #3 is showing a plant that has leaf tips that are dead...and it is also showing discoloration.

Let me know what you all think!

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[tinytoon]

day 9 you said lights were pretty close and had to raise so wouldn't think it would take this long for heat to show up. The lightening in color would make me wanna start a super weak (like 1/4 str) batch of my trusty GH 3-part and a drop of ST but I myself never really use plain water except to flush. Just started clones and 1 seed this week and evrything is done in 1/8 - 1/4 str water with a drop of ST

[martyrprojekt]

What is ST????

[LOC NAR on probation]

SuperThrive.

[martyrprojekt]

It has now spread to more plants...I am very concerned...not an infestation. I can spot that immediately with magnifying glass and my careful eye on the little girls.

I am using nutes...GH 3 part...added them last week in a tiny amount...just to stimulate stem and veg growth.

Please look at these pics and tell me what you think! Calcium, magnesium, am I underwatering now?

Thanks in advance...and please read this!!!!!!!

[Italiano715]

Hydro Grows - Coco, NFT, Hempy Bucket...

What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)
What type of hydro set-up are you running?

Your Equipment:
A) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)
B) Distance from tops?
C) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)
D) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?
E) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?
F) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?
G) Size of reservoir?

Your nutrients and water:
H) Source of water. (tap or filtered) What's it's ph?
I) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
J) What is the ec/ppm of your unadjusted tap (or filtered) water?
K) What is the ec/ppm of your nutrient solution?
L) What is the temperature of your nutrient solution? (reservoir high and low temps)
M) Does your ec/ppm show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check?
N) Does the ph fluctuate?
O) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you
spray? (Just after lights come on, just before they go out...)
P) How often do you replace reservoir water/nutes?

Your growroom:
Q) What size of closet, room or hut?
R) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
S) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?
T) Are the roots long and white, or brown and slimy?

Your strain:
U) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
V) From seeds or clones?
W) Is this an autoflower strain?

[martyrprojekt]

are you fucking kidding...This information is in this grow log.

[martyrprojekt]

This information is in this grow log. To humor you I will fill this out. But, I swear to god that if I hear that cal mag is the solution to this problem, like it seems to be the answer for everything on this forum...I am going to fucking leave this forum because I will be a firm believer that this forum is run by the company that makes calmag solution.

(takes a long deep bong rip)...sorry guys. Back to business. I felt a little tense...now back to business!:stoned:

What is your experience level? Been a part of tons of guerilla and backyard outdoor grows.

What type of hydro set-up are you running? Drip system to rockwohl cubes.

Your Equipment:
A) Type and wattage of lights. T5 four bulb...2 hot and 2 cool bulbs.
B) Distance from tops? I am about 3-4 inches from the tops
C) Reflector type? Reflector came on the light
D) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 18/6 light cycle...wattage is about 350 watts
E) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? yes...two oscilating fans...an exhaust fan.
F) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? yes...already answered this redundant question
G) Size of reservoir? 5 gallon

Your nutrients and water:
H) Source of water. (tap or filtered) Ph of water is 5...distilled water from store.
I) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. one feed every day for 15 minutes, nutes being used are 3 part GH system. 1.5ml-1.5ml-1.5ml


J) What is the ec/ppm of your unadjusted tap (or filtered) water? no idea
K) What is the ec/ppm of your nutrient solution? no idea
L) What is the temperature of your nutrient solution? (reservoir high and low temps) temp at 74 degrees
M) Does your ec/ppm show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check? do not have a ppm checker.
N) Does the ph fluctuate? no...stable 5.8
O) Do you foliar feed? no
P) How often do you replace reservoir water/nutes? every week

Your growroom:
Q) What size of closet, room or hut? 4x6 veg room...in a larger 10x7 room
R) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? temps runs around 76 degrees while lights are on humidity is at 50-53%....Lights off is about 70-72 degrees 48-50% humidity
S) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? got rid of the gnat problem. Have not seen anything in days!
T) Are the roots long and white, or brown and slimy? white...and starting to come through the bottom of the rockwohl.

Your strain:
U) What strain are you growing? Citral
V) From seeds or clones? Seeds
W) Is this an autoflower strain? Yes

[Italiano715]

This information is in this grow log. To humor you I will fill this out. But, I swear to god that if I hear that cal mag is the solution to this problem, like it seems to be the answer for everything on this forum...I am going to fucking leave this forum because I will be a firm believer that this forum is run by the company that makes calmag solution.


LMAO!!! Well being that you ARE using distilled water, you really DO need Cal-Mag....Butttt to me it just looks like a bit of nute burn. They are too young to be receiving nutrients. Then again I'm not a hydro grower, so not really sure when nutes should be introduced to young seedlings as those.

[martyrprojekt]

christ...I knew it.:wtf: Paranoia setting in and the walls are closing in:wtf:
Cal mag solutions does, in fact, own this forum!

Now can someone with some hydro experience please tell me what this is on my leaves!

[tinytoon]

well its not nute burn since the prob was there b4 nutes started, its not Cal-mag as you have been using that from the start. I would give it a day or 2 and see what the GH 3part does for ya.

[LOC NAR on probation]

I see the drip stake right at the plant. How wet are the rapid rooter plugs and rockwool. Maybe that. Might want to direct the drip away from the plant a bit. rockwool can be tricky when watering but didn't you say only one water time a day. HMMMM. They don't look that bad but it does look like nute burn somewhat.

[martyrprojekt]

So I found the issue...those plants were not rooting properly. Rooting out of the rapid rotter was non-existent. 8 plants are doing fine, their roots made it through to the bottom and they are already outside of the rockwohl.:thumbsup:

I am wondering now that the roots have gon through the bottm of the rockwohl, if I should put them in a hydrotron medium?

I removed the plastic wrapping from around the rockwohl, I was starting to believe I was over-watering. I even thought that perhaps the plastic wrapping was not getting enough oxygen to the roots. But, the cube was light and it was bone dry in the middle. Water was the issue, just a lack of it. I put the plants on 2 watering cycles per day.

Nutes and Ph are perfect. I had to toss the plants that were not doing hot into the humdity dome, and put them under 3x120 watt CFL bulbs in my clone room. I want them to root better before they go into the rockwohl. I am sure most of you will agree with this decision.

I have my strongest 8 little girls under my t5 light in the main veg room. They all have extensive rooting outside of the rockwohl cubes. I am very happy with them so far and I am positive they are going to be sexy little bitches!

I have also decided to buy some clones to work out any issues I might have with my flowering setup before the little girls get into the stage that I can take cuttings from them. I think this is a wise move to make sure I do not have any issues with the setup prior to heavy use.

Also, my white widow showed up. Started their germination last night.

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Happy Growing

-Martyr Projekt

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[glennc7]

I have a very similar setup to yours. I'm currently growing six plants in a 4 inch rockwool cube buried in hydroton. They've been vegging for 6 weeks under a 8 t5 bulbs. I would definitely recommend more t5 bulbs if ur space allows it. :thumbsup::smokin::pimp:

[tinytoon]

glad to hear you got it figured out Marty!! :thumbsup:

[martyrprojekt]

I want to first start by saying thank you. I had three different issues going on with my grow. Lack of light, lack of water, and the nutrient solution needed to be adjusted.

Adjustments made:

Besides putting the smaller plants back into humidity dome under another set of CFL lights. I began to notice weak root structure in these plants based upon where they were places in my 2x2 tray. I was not feeding them enough water with nutes, and I was also lacking light to a number of the plants.

Major issues solved:

Lack of light (lumens)
Lack of Water
Lack of nutrients

This tri-fecta of problems with kill 80% of your plants. Even the luckiest of growers will be able to keep 2 out of 10 plants.

Plant Status:

You can already see the difference in one day. Of the strongest plants that were showing signs of spotting and minor wilting, are now perfect little girls again. I love the resiliency of this strain...I definitely recommend this strain to first time growers. Just be prepared to have to prop up your seedlings as they are prone to being leggy.

The new growth is strong on all of the plants under the T5 light. Root growth is through the bottom of the rockwohl, and I will be adding hydrotron on Monday. I need to give these roots more oxygen and this is the best way.

Enjoy the pictures I am supplying for you. I think you will all agree that this system is definitely working best so far.

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Happy Growing:hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[martyrprojekt]

I have a very similar setup to yours. I'm currently growing six plants in a 4 inch rockwool cube buried in hydroton. They've been vegging for 6 weeks under a 8 t5 bulbs. I would definitely recommend more t5 bulbs if ur space allows it. :thumbsup::smokin::pimp:

I am on this already. I just ordered another T5 light with 8 bulbs....should cover this entire veg space with light. 4 cool and 4 warm bulbs. Remember that this is my second veg area. I will only be using this 2x2 tray for mothers. The strongest plants will the the founders of this room. The other females will be flowered...just for the fun of it!

I will also be putting together the flower room shortly so you all can see my new clones go into flower after 1 month veg.

[Supportradicalhabits]

From what I'm seeing you still have your seedling leaves, you should wait until those fall until nutrients are added. The marijuana plant has nutrients stored in those seedling leaves to get it going in the world, once those are gone it then relies on the root system that has established over its seedling phase. So my suggestion would be back off on the nutrients for now and make sure that temperatures are hospitable for your ladies. Good luck bro, happy growin :rastasmoke:

[martyrprojekt]

According to every website that sells nutrients...You are supposed to add nutrients to seedlings when growing via hydroponics. Advanced nutrients and General Hydroponics both recommend using nutes with seedlings.

CLICK HERE FOR THE GENERAL HYDROPONICS LINK FOR NUTE SCHEDULE... (http://www.generalhydroponics.com/calculator/index.html)

I don't want to be argumentative...but, I honestly do not think they would say to use nutes if they didn't think it was a good idea. its not like it is enough to make you have to go out to buy more...1.5ml for each gallon is not a big deal!

The funny thing is that with growing...there is always something new to learn and add to your growing system. You can always be expanding and learning more, otherwise we would all still be smoking dirty hippy schwag! Feel me there?

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[tinytoon]

as I suggested earlier a WEAK mixture for seedlings/clones is acceptabe. If you run 100% nute mixture you will kill them real quick but using 1/8 - 1/4 str is fine. As Marty stated even manufactures give you this info right on the bottle. A drop of ST per gal also will help with root development and growth as this is a vitamin supplement that allows better intake of nutes and such.

[Supportradicalhabits]

According to every website that sells nutrients...You are supposed to add nutrients to seedlings when growing via hydroponics. Advanced nutrients and General Hydroponics both recommend using nutes with seedlings.

CLICK HERE FOR THE GENERAL HYDROPONICS LINK FOR NUTE SCHEDULE... (http://www.generalhydroponics.com/calculator/index.html)

I don't want to be argumentative...but, I honestly do not think they would say to use nutes if they didn't think it was a good idea. its not like it is enough to make you have to go out to buy more...1.5ml for each gallon is not a big deal!

The funny thing is that with growing...there is always something new to learn and add to your growing system. You can always be expanding and learning more, otherwise we would all still be smoking dirty hippy schwag! Feel me there?

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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Key word "sells". I try to ignore the doses and growing info from the bottles, the simple facts are that ofcourse the manufacturer to the nutrient solution is going to recommend that you use their product as much as possible (means more green for them) and those directions that you read are not specifically for marijuana.

I use these as my source of information for growing:

Marijuana Horticulture medical grower's bible by Jorge Cervantes
High Times Growers Series: Jorge Cervantes' Ultimate Grow DVD 1 & 2
Cannabis.com
Grasscity.com

I'm not trying to be argumentative but those recommended doses and schedules were not created for the marijuana plant. Live, learn and toke :rastasmoke:

[martyrprojekt]

Jorge Cervantes is indeed a great man, but he is mainly a guerilla grower. Not to mention, that with my experience in outdoor or soil growing, I would totally agree with you and not use any nutrients in this stage of growth because the soils are filled with nutrients.

But, with indoor hydro, it seems that people are split over this theory in the different publications. I think it goes to your personal prefrences here. I personally saw my girls do much better in terms of growth with a 1/8th nite cycle and then the 1/5 I have them on now. I am sure over time we will all experiment and find what works best with each strain. As, I am sure we have all learned that all strains are totally different than the next.

I will experiment to find the best growth and yield of my plants until I find my personal "right nute mixture" as I am sure everyone does.

In the end, I believe we are all correct as long as we are able to stinky, sticky high potencey ganja, with the best possible yield for our efforts. It was not too long ago that hydroponics wad first introduced. There will always be advancements, and we all should learn from everyone and incorporate it into our growing regiment. Whether it be scrogging or nute schedules, we can always find new ways to make fat sacks and mighty fine hash!

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happy growing

- martyr projekt

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[martyrprojekt]

Hey support, nice grow there buddy. Those bitches look sexy. I will watch your progress there for sure. U should net over a pound for sure. Wish there was a smellernet so I could drool over the aroma. How is the smell so far, and are u using a carbon filter to keep it under control?

[headshake]

From what I'm seeing you still have your seedling leaves, you should wait until those fall until nutrients are added. The marijuana plant has nutrients stored in those seedling leaves to get it going in the world, once those are gone it then relies on the root system that has established over its seedling phase. So my suggestion would be back off on the nutrients for now and make sure that temperatures are hospitable for your ladies. Good luck bro, happy growin :rastasmoke:

you are correct about the cotyledon containing nutes. i've however seen big, mature plants with them still on and as green as ever. some say this is a way to judge the health of your plants.


feeding nutes to seedlings in hydro is fine, as some of you have said.

correct me if i'm wrong about the nutes, but it is either general hydroponics or advanced nutrients that ARE formulated specifically for cannabis? i know it's one or the other.


-shake

[Supportradicalhabits]

you are correct about the cotyledon containing nutes. i've however seen big, mature plants with them still on and as green as ever. some say this is a way to judge the health of your plants.


feeding nutes to seedlings in hydro is fine, as some of you have said.

correct me if i'm wrong about the nutes, but it is either general hydroponics or advanced nutrients that ARE formulated specifically for cannabis? i know it's one or the other.


-shake

advanced nutrients is what your thinking of. I'm not that advanced though haha. I use the FF 6 part nutrient system and attempt to tailor the ppm's to the needs of my women. I really like FF because of its organic properties and also because it breaks down so well for organic ferts. still learning haha.

[Supportradicalhabits]

Hey support, nice grow there buddy. Those bitches look sexy. I will watch your progress there for sure. U should net over a pound for sure. Wish there was a smellernet so I could drool over the aroma. How is the smell so far, and are u using a carbon filter to keep it under control?

Thanks man, and yes I am using a 6inch goblin carbon filter for the aroma... it smells great man. I've never even seen, heard or smoked BlueHog or Groman... but from the looks of it, it will be worth the wait.

Blueberry X Hogsbreath = yum

Romulan X Shaman X Grapefruit = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4

haha, thanks for the complement. Looking forward to seeing some fat nugzzz on your grow to bro :jointsmile:

[headshake]

are you talking about the liquids and the soluble powders? if so, isn't the only one of those that is organic is the big bloom?


-shake

[Supportradicalhabits]

yes I am, and the big bloom from what I understand is the only one that is both organic and natural. The others have organic materials in them but they have chemicals in order for the organic materials to break down more efficiently. One of the problems that I read about organic fertz is that they break down much slower and are less efficient then the non organic, the non-organic has all of the nutrients made available instantly. As for the organics it is supposed to break down at a slower rate and makes it hard to accurately read the ppm's. As I've stated before I am still learning, but that is what I have come to understand.
BigBloom = worm castings, bat poop... cant really remember, but to sumarize; yes, technichally the only fully organic fert is the big bloom.

You may correct me if I'm wrong.

p.s. not sure if the soluble powders are organic at all, can't remember :/

[headshake]

you are right, big bloom is the only organic. the solubles are not. probably not even close.

not trying to jack your thread marty. what's up on some pics?


-shake

[martyrprojekt]

Headshake, I am starting to think you are into seedling porn. LMAO! :thumbsup:

So, not much going on today. Here is the progress so far, tomorrow, the plants are going in hydrotron...This is necessary! Enjoy the pictures!

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[headshake]

i appreciate plants in general marty, thank you very much! i enjoy looking at peoples setups and stuff just as much. i like to see how others think, get ideas etc etc.

the plants look like they are coming around nicely. glad you have gotten a grip on your woes.


-shake

[martyrprojekt]

2 full days on the my new nutrient cycle. The plants are loving it. The growth was explosive over the last 48 hours. Look at the comparison from yesterdays pictures. I think this grow is looking rather sexy!

Anyways, enjoy the pictures...I do plan on putting a couple side lights up by tomorrow. I am putting of adding hydrotron for a couple days. Just does not seem right to do it just yet.

Let me know what you think!

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[tinytoon]

Hydrotron isnt needed until roots start showing out of those 4" (think thats right size) RW cubes. other than that they look real sweet :thumbsup:

[martyrprojekt]

So, my roots have fully developed are creeping around the tray. I will be moving them into hydrotron today, and into a larger tray. New plants will also be added to the veg room tomorrow along with adding lights to this veg room. I will post pictures when I am done so you all can see the setup.

The grow is looking very nice and I can not wait too get some clones taken next month to determine the sex of my plants. Should be good, I already think that I have 5 girls and 3 boys based upon the plant development and thx development on the leaves. The sticky and stinky leaves are always a good sign.

I will post some pictures later

martyr projekt

[martyrprojekt]

So I moved some things around in the grow room. I put in my larger tray to make sure that I have ample room for the rest of the seedlings that are coming aboard.

Enjoy, I will be posting the hydrotron addition in 3 days, and also I will be posting some new pictures at that time.

Let me know what you think of this set up...I will be adding my new row lights to this in a few days also!

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[LOC NAR on probation]

Lookin good. Those stems are going to really fatten up and hold thier own real quick, then you will have to tie them up later cause of the heavy buds hanging on them. LOL

I'm along for the ride. Good show.

I love to see a good plan come together.

[tinytoon]

hell yeah Loc I'm enjoying watching this one :jointsmile:

[martyrprojekt]

So here is the scoop on the last four days.

Feeding:

The plants have been on a watering cycle that waters them 3 times per day. I am currently using 3 part GH hydroponic nutes at 3.33,1.66,1.66 ml per gallon of distilled water.

Tomorrow begins the new growth cycle for full veg nute solution...at 7.5, 5, 2.5 ml per gallon of distilled water

Lights:

Still on an 18/6 schedule and looking good. I added two can CFL lights at 100 watt equivalents. I am considering adding 4 more to this room...since the plants seem to love these soft CFL lights. I will use my T5 for mid-growth and clones, and the CFL cans for veg growth.

Plant Status:

I currently have 8 strong (females, please god let them be females:thumbsup:) citral plants in their full veg state. They are all doing quite well, but some are doing far better than others.

Tomorrow is the day for the hydrotron. I know I have been saying this for a while, I just wanted to make sure the roots were growing nicely. Sometimes it is better to make sure everything is going smoothly before transplant.


---Enjoy the pictures I added. Please let me know what you think!

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[martyrprojekt]

having trouble with the servers not taking my pictures...hopefully it works tomorrow morning

[LOC NAR on probation]

I currently have 8 strong (females, please god let them be females) citral plants in their full veg state. They are all doing quite well, but some are doing far better than others.


There are always runts in the crowd. Not to worry it's normal. We are watching and hoping you get all females but one male always shows up when it's ladies night. LOL That's why we don't count on just one plant. Better to have many and only lose a few.

[ForgetClassC]

Everyone I've heard growing says they want a bunch of plants cuz they aren't always female, almost every grow I've had, the plant (one solitary plant) ends up female......guess I'm lucky.....

[martyrprojekt]

Link to pictures from another site...since this site is unable to upload pictures...

Link to pictures (http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-grow-journals/416268-citral-grow-day-3-until-i-harvest.html#post5090575)

peace,

Martyr Projekt :hippy:

[martyrprojekt]

New nutes are doing good...I am needing to add more cal mag though. Magnesium defencencies are prvoing to be a little bit of a problem...some of the bottom leaves are wilting downward and getting brown spots. Not nute burn, definitely magnesium issues.

I would post a picture, but this site is really lacking lately. I have no clue why!

peace,

Martyr Projekt:hippy:

[Italiano715]

New nutes are doing good...I am needing to add more cal mag though. Magnesium defencencies are prvoing to be a little bit of a problem...some of the bottom leaves are wilting downward and getting brown spots. Not nute burn, definitely magnesium issues.

I would post a picture, but this site is really lacking lately. I have no clue why!

peace,

Martyr Projekt:hippy:

Irony maybe? In the fact that in the beginning you said, "Cal mag solutions does, in fact, own this forum!", yet ya ended up having a bit of that deficiency :D LoL

this site has it moments, but it's become my home...I wouldn't trade it for the world :D

The kids are looking nice though! I'm sure you'll get everything in tune sooner or later!

Happy Growing M8!

[martyrprojekt]

You all cursed me with the cal mag. That is a definite. Lets just all hope this site doesn't go down again. like a few years ago.

[martyrprojekt]

added calmag and new T5 LIGHT to veg room. Girls seem to be loving it so far. Hopefully I can post these pictures today. We shall see!

No pictures can be posted on this site still...here is a link to see pictures. (http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-grow-journals/416268-citral-grow-day-3-until-i-harvest-2.html#post5102325)

Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

[martyrprojekt]

more pics for your enjoyment. Added hydrotron today almost without incident...While moving around my drip watering system one of the tops of a plants broke off...I know, I know...it is karma for cursing earlier in this thread. Besides that the girls seem very nice and healthy.

New seedlings are sprouting and are doing quite well. I will be putting them in rockwohl tomorrow. (I swear! :D)

Watering cycle seems like it has been too little. Have not adjusted yet...but, I am considering going to 4 times per day. We shall see. It looks like the girls are hungry/thirsty. Tell me if you agree with this statement.

Calcium and magnesium deficiency is being handled. Plants are bucking up and lower leaves are showing signs of recovery. Brown spots are going away also! Slowly though.

Any comments or suggestions are always appreciated!

One month till cloning! WAHOOOO! :jointsmile:

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[LOC NAR on probation]

Looking goooood !!!

They look healthy but not really thirsty.

[martyrprojekt]

The biggesr of the plants are exhibiting signs of underwatering. I will keep with the 15 minute waterings 3 times per day for now. But, if they start showing more signs I will bring that up.

I am putting the new seedlings in rockwohl today as they have all sprouted and seem to be doing fine. Not leggy at all under this t5 which is nice. I will be propping them up underneath a brick to give them better light exposure also.

One month to go till clone. And these girls are very stinky. Love the smell, makes me want to pack a bowl :jointsmile:

anyways,

Happy Growing

-Martyr Projekt

[martyrprojekt]

H= Hydro Grow
C= I am not growing in Coco
S= Not traditional soil
L= No other soiless mix
R= growing in RockWool
T= growing in HydroTon
D= Automatic drip system grow (8 point system)



E-indoor
E-hydroponic
E-Hydrotron
CSL-no soil
HCL-Hydro drip system
SCL-no soil or additives
SCLR- Runoff ph at 6.2
E-Distilled water
E- nuetral
HRT- Distilled purchased from store
E- 30 days
E- GH 3 part nutes, agressive growth schedule. Cal Mag 1 tablespoon per gallon of Distilled water
E- Do not know my ppm level (need to purchase a ppm meter)
E- T5 4ft. 6 bulb lamp
E- Air temperature is 76-78 degrees F, Night temp is 65-70 degrees F, res is room temperature.
E- Humidity runs at 44-50%
E- 18/6
E- oscilating fan, vent fan at top of room, and air in through ac unit.
TR- Soaked media in Distilled water...don't think this is effecting anything at this point though.

My question is this. Is this normal for fan leaves to bend upwards from the vein? Please look at the pictures I have provided.

I have been spraying the plants with a distilled water cal-mag foliar spray due to calcium and magnesium deficiency that has been taken care of since the addition of agressive nute schedule and foliar spray combo.

The last time I changes the res was last week. I will be changing it today...and continuing aggressive veg growth schedule as listed by GH recommendations.

Any help would be appreciated...and if you think I am just being a paranoid stoner, that would be helpful too!

Any questions you might have, I will be glad to answer. Thanks!

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Happy Growing

-martyr Projekt

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[martyrprojekt]

...here is some more pictures. Enjoy!

[tinytoon]

dam nice looking plants :thumbsup:

[martyrprojekt]

PROBLEMS:

*I am getting one plant that is droopy
*I am getting this canoeing effect upward from the vein in my fan leaves, no downward drooping. But, something that needs to be watched.
*I am still noticing some lingering calcium and magnesium issues, which is probably the main issue that is causing all of these symptoms.

Note: It seems like I am seeing the beginning stages of lockout, only time will tell with this one!

PLAN OF ACTION:

* I am going to see if I can get the plants to perk up with the new nute schedule first. My PH is staying at 5.8, and that seems good since I flushed the res yesterday.

* If I continue seeing signs of these issues, I will be flushing with distilled water and cal-mag only. I want to see if the new nute regiment works prior to flushing the res again and using just distilled water and cal mag.

* I raised my lights today. I think I was burning the tips of the larger plants...too close to T5 light.

* I am considering putting the plants into pots with the hydrotron instead of just sitting in the tray. I think this will make things easier in moving the plants to flower later this month.

* I have decided to flower all of the these plants when the time is right and I get these issues under control. Tweaking these hydro systems is proving to be a bitch, I miss the simple nature of soil sometimes. (LMAO)....But, I know this shit smokes soooo much better. :jointsmile:

WHAT I NEED FROM THE FORUM:

* Any suggestions as to what I am doing wrong here would be helpful. At 30 days I should now be able to use full strength veg nutes to get these girls exploding with growth.

* I am wondering why growth in some of the plants seems stagnant. The plants are getting super dense, and I am not seeing much height from these girls. I raised the lights in hopes to correct this problem, as I think that might have been the case. :wtf:

* Should I flush now, or wait?

[martyrprojekt]

So...I flushed the res...again. Distilled water with Cal mag. Ph level is at 5.8...

I also did a foliar spray of water with cal mag.

This was necessary. I could not avoid it, and I did not want to cause potential damage because I failed to act quickly. I need to get this lockout over with, and move onto some growth.

Also, I am considering tying down two of the plants later this week...to let the rest of the plants catch up to the canopy I want to develop.

So, With all of this being said...it is time to continue the flush. I let the new water run for 30 minutes after the flush during its normal watering time. I wanted to make sure the nutrients were being worked out of the tray.

We shal see the girls buck up after a couple days...and the canoeing issue will be totally gone. I am positive of it.

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Happy Growing

-Martyr Projekt

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[martyrprojekt]

Flushing the res with distilled water and calmag did the trick. The growth today was good, along with the plants correcting themselves from the lockout. There is a light at the end of this tunnel. :jointsmile:

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[tinytoon]

raising lights should help with height and full str nutes no doubt :thumbsup: sorry I running a little late hehe. what is light height at now? if already stated I appologize and must have missed it. seperate buckets would make the move to flower alot easier I am sure. I do my whole grow in a tray so I dont have to move them but can tell you the entire tray is a root mass at the end :D

[martyrprojekt]

So...What has gone down the last two days!

Course of Action taken for Nute Lockout:

* Flushed res for 2 days with distilled water and Cal Mag, Watered for 30 minutes when I changed the res to water with Cal Mag.

* Watched the girls like a hawk, making sure canoeing effect disappeared, and discoloration was clearing up.

* sprayed distilled water and cal mag solution as a foliar spray for plants. 3 times per day over the 48 hours. (have continued to do so 2 times per day since)

Results:

*Plants became really bushy...which is the point of aggressive growth nutrients.

* 48 hours after flush and with plants showing signs of full recovery...I added full strength nutes again.

Notes:

- The mistake I made was not correcting the nutrient imbalance of calcium and magnesium deficiency before continuing with my aggressive veg nute schedule. If not corrected your plants will lock out quickly...and not absorb the nutrients needed to sustain growth.

- This imbalance caused the plants to show signs of nitrogen, calcium, magnesium, and iron imbalances. This can throw off the beginning grower...Always revert back to the original symptoms the plant was showing. Flush your system for 48 hours and address the imbalances first shown. THIS WILL SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM...95% of the time.

This strain is very resilient, as I have killed less resistant strains with far less issues. I have attached some pictures for you all to see the result of my troubleshooting this problem. A big thank you to everyone who has provided feedback and advice...Especially LocNar, Italiano, and TinyToon...Thanks a million.

26 days to clone. The countdown begins. :jointsmile:

Oh yeah...Raised my lights to get some vertical growth...not just bushy plants, I want these bitches taller! :D

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[LOC NAR on probation]

Looking awsome. Yea just a little stretch to take cutting is good.

Can't wait to see some buds. I will be following for sure. Maybe I can sneek a pic of mine if I can get a camera that works. We got just about 3 weeks till finish.

[martyrprojekt]

SO the girls are averaging about 1 inches in height...I raised the everyday the last two days to get more height out of them.

They are back on aggressive growth and doing quite nicely. Huge difference in growth and vegging.

Changed res again...they sucked up tons of my water the last couple days. I am thinking about adding a fourth feeding every day. We shall see.

Leaves underneath the fans leaves were showing canoeing...Probably why my ph was so high before I changed my res...The little girls wanted more nutes. 4th feeding should do this! Fixed ph by flushing res, and adding nutes. At this rate these girls are gonna make me poor with how thirsty they are.

Here are some pics...let me know what you think...Oh yeah...seedlings are looking good too...Not leggy at all!


LOC...post some damn pics I wanna see your work.


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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[LOC NAR on probation]

My 800 dollar fuji camera took a crap on me but I barrowed one and maybe I can get some good pic's. The fuji took awsome pic of tric's close up. Have to play with the camera for close ups. I will post this evening as the lights don't come on till about 8 east coast time. I think I have a few when they first started too.

Just remember when you start drooling so am I. No meds here untill they finish. LOL

[LOC NAR on probation]

I had to try 2 times and then had to turn the lights out. The crappy camera does not have a flash. Oh well here they are. Maybe not too bad. I will get a better camera or get mine fixed.

[martyrprojekt]

LOC, I love it when the tips of your pretty girls start to yellow from them working so hard to grow nice and big buds...LOVE IT! Looks great man...Maybe after this crop you can afford a new camera, from donations of course! :jointsmile:

Wish I was there to toke one of these up for you when they are done curing! They look very happy indeed!

I am stoked that my canopy is almost totally grown in on my tray...One plant has been keep that from being a reality. A little stretch and they are ready...I raised my lights again...trying to get some height out of them...They are dense enough for now.

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Happy Growing :hippy:

Martyr Projekt

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[LOC NAR on probation]

Thanks man I got a couple weeks left. This is the hardest time. LOL. It was getting late last night and I am going to get my camera fixed for sure.. I just started some Gavity this week and only went half strenth but got my light too close. Be careful first time I used it and it will burn them up. I raised the light some more and will be changing nutes to finish. That gavity is strong stuff.

The first pic is the big 1000HPS. Everything is orange. The next one I had to turn the light off and use my flashlight. It's the biggest fattest one and it's real hard now, it's papaya. The last pic is my hybred HawiianxSkunkxBigbud. It is a late flowerer and comes on big in the last 2 weeks. It's also like a xmas tree coming up through everywhere. I hope the gavity didn't hurt my yield. The next time I will run it just the week before the flush week and only 1/4 strenth.

Wish we could sit down and do a big fatty, that would be cool. Most all my friends are dead or have jobs they can't smoke at, OR like some are the biggest muches alive. LOL

I think it will last me a month till the next crop. LOL and a few donations for nutes and stuff. I know of a cancer patient through a friend and she will be a little better off when she sees what I'm going to bring her. Maybe she can get some good eats soon.

Oh and the smell. I just can't describe it. Fruity yet a little skunky and strong.

[headshake]

looking good martyr! glad to see the you got the problems fixed.


-shake

[martyrprojekt]

SO...I want to smoke. And, I came up on a great guy for clones. SO...Flowering begins next week! WAHOO!

For those who might be sad...here is the plan:

*I am keeping the Citral Seedlings...that are doing quite well.
*These will be my mothers.
*I should not have put them in the tray to mother them.
*What a pleasant mistake for me:thumbsup:.
*I did not have the time to transfer to pots. I will transfer into pots with the seedlings...And soon...they are already rooting through the bottom of the 4 inch rockwohl!

The trays:

*Putting into flower next week. This is where I shall unveil my flower room!
*Will be putting 30 clones into flower also...4 weeks later.
*2 tray will be only clones
*1 tray will be citral

My clones are sexy purple girls! The strains include:
-GrandDaddyPurple
-Purple Kush (oaksterdam variety)
-Grape Ape
-Purple Erkel!

(Do we see a pattern here...perpetual harvest!...WAHOO!)

Like my football coach once said...If you're gonna do something...Go big!

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[LOC NAR on probation]

Looking good man. Sea of Green, it's the only way to fly.

[tinytoon]

Both you 2 have some really nice looking foliage there :jointsmile: Loc is that Mylar I see?

[LOC NAR on probation]

Yea it's the expensive stuff. I had it put up in a roll in a box and the humidity here is so bad and salt air that it ate almost half a roll. It's the best but hard to take a pic in. And when the light is on without a flash everything is orange. LOL. My bro just got a nice camera that does macro. I kind of burnt my stuff up with gravity this time and it's hard to get a 1000 far enough away. Only went half what it said but they are getting hard. I think you should do it the week before a week of flush instead of 3 weeks before harvest.

I just found pic's of what they took from me 3 years ago. Damn I can't believe it. I forgot how good they did look. If you want to see them just say I will put in another thread. I don't like to hijack too much.

[martyrprojekt]

put them in....It only make a thread that much better. It gives people ideas on how to do this themselves...spreading the word or ANTI-prohibition.

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If the Kennedy's got their family fortune from illegal Booze, why can't I stay stoned in the sanctity of my own home?

Martyr Projekt

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[martyrprojekt]

So I trimmed some of the upper foliage today. I am noticing that the upper fan leaves that are enormous are stunting the veg growth underneath. I trimmed them back a little bit...I had done this once before and it worked out quite well with the vegetation growth.

Flowering next week...so I think this is the best move until next week arrives. I will post pictures in a couple days...so you can see the improvement this brings.

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[LOC NAR on probation]

This first one is one me and pappa smurf smoked before they got us. LOL

[LOC NAR on probation]

Some trichomes. More to come must go to work.

[tinytoon]

nice stuff there Loc, did you enjoy it? :jointsmile:

[LOC NAR on probation]

nice stuff there Loc, did you enjoy it? :jointsmile:

OH YEA, it was 3 hit crippler. We were calling it crack on a stick. You would hit it till it laid you on the couch and then after a while you'd crawl over and hit some more. I mean happy trails. Best meds i had.

Oh and Pappa Smurf was a bogart, you had to keep and eye on him. But he did keep the nargles away. LOL

[martyrprojekt]

damn LOC...Damn the man for hammering down on you. What lead to the crackdown (if you don't mind me asking)? Was it avoidable, or by chance?

I am glad I am cali legal...still gotta watch the Blue shirts...Fucking nazis always want a piece of the pie.

I love the pictures LOC...keep them coming. Maybe we can get you on double secret probation?

PLANT PROGRESS:

Plants did really well after the trimming. Undergrowth is definitely applauding my move. Feeding now 4 times per day. Plants seem to be loving it and filling in nicely...Height growth has been excellent as well. I have added 3 inches in the last 2 weeks.

Not much else to report until I transition to flower. I am going to keep vegging until Friday to keep the weekly cycles accurate from the day I popped the seeds.

I will post pictures on Friday before I start flower. I want you guys to have a chance to see the difference in growth an extra week makes with this blend. I will say these are very short plants.

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Happy Growing

-Martyr Projekt

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[LOC NAR on probation]

Well long story short. My nephew came by and smoked some ragweed with me and then came by with some mid grade later. Days apart. Then I smoke alittle test bud with him. Never thought family would get me. He was the only one on earth to see my grow up close. Well my nephew and friends were living at the beach for summer and getting the little 16 year old girls on the beach fucked up on coke and trying to date rape them. Got busted for coke and minors being involved. So he tried to buy from me and I said no. Not no how , not no way. Pissed him off cause the narc's were just up the street. So the next day they bust my grow. 4 pounds and all my equipment. One year suspended and 2 years probation. All done now.

Funny thing is I was not enough to get him off because I no sell to nephew narc. so he busted his coke buddy for over 12 buys and puts him away for over 10 years. Dudes brother is looking for my nepphew. Wonder why. Narc on the run and was told never to come back to my state or they will give him to the little girls fathers. LOL

It's taken a long time to get back to where he busted me just a different locale. Wish I was in Cali.

On the lighter side. It's going to be one hella XMAS this year for sure.

I'll post pic's of what they took from me. It will make you cry. Hell it will make your dog cry.

[tinytoon]

we just took some clones today and since I have never logged a grow I guess I am do ...... Look Out World Here Comes Tiny!! LOL ;)

[martyrprojekt]

Tinytoon...Can't wait to see the grow log. Post the link when you get the chance.

Status Report on the Girls:

The plants are doing very well and have been adding some height to them. At least an inch since my last post. The trimming of the fan leaves is proving to be a smart move with the amount of Vegetation on these girls. It definitely made the undergrowth much stronger by providing them with light.

I also added extra CFL lights for side stream...to get more light under the canopy. I believe this has also helped their vigorous growth.

I will be posting pictures tomorrow. Then we put them in flower the following day.

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[tinytoon]

keep us up to speed on that side lighting, I have 1 cab I have been thinking botu putting some in but wasnt sure if be worth the time and $$$

[martyrprojekt]

Flower Room:

1000 watt hps lamp
(2) 6 inch vent fans to carbon filter
(1) oscilating fan
(1) small fan pushing air under plants

Air Temp: High of 82.3 degrees Farenheit, Low of 64 degrees
Humidity: High of 55%, low of 50%

Changed nutes to flower from transition phase of growth.

here are some pictures:

[LOC NAR on probation]

Damn man, that is thick. Is that a Lumetech electronic ballast ? I want one someday. You are going to have some massive bud going on there, can't wait to see it finish. Keep up the good work.

[tinytoon]

they are sweet lookin!! Is there a plan to add more to this tray? I see a lil empty space and was wondering if you were saving space for additions or if they could have been spaced apart a lil more to allow breathing room?

[martyrprojekt]

There were a couple purple clones added for that space...But, I that was just to fill the void.

12 plants...looking sexy.

[martyrprojekt]

So here is the deal...Day 5 of flower. Plants are looking good. Growing immensely. I added a couple GDP clones into the tray just to fill it out...But, honestly, I don't think they needed it. :jointsmile:

Also, the plants are starting to stretch now...Which is great...Also, showing signs of sex...but, will know for sure by next week if I have to murder anything. So far the room looks to be filled with estrogen...and they all are showing pistils already. But, I always err on the side of caution. :thumbsup:

Check out the pictures and let me know what you think.

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[LOC NAR on probation]

I'm feelin the Love.

Watch out there's always a sneaky Pete hanging out. If they all have pistols it does sound good.

I do believe in the chaois therory. (Life will find a way).

[disrupt86]

hey dont mean to get off track but you sed you got some purple clones that were oaksterdamn variety? im looking to try something new but all the clones i have seen from them were kinda funky"so im interested in watching that grow", i havent botherd to go down to the b sky caffe because everyone is telling me i have to have a ocbc card as well as my medicann is this true?

[martyrprojekt]

Oaksterdam variety does not mean clone came from Blue Sky...the breed came from there originally from seed. These 3 clones are actually GDP (grand Daddy Purple) and came from a guy who grows for Blue Sky.

My clones look rather sweet...That will be the next grow log...so stay tuned!!!! HA HA HA! The perpetual love fest continues.

[martyrprojekt]

hey dont mean to get off track but you sed you got some purple clones that were oaksterdamn variety? im looking to try something new but all the clones i have seen from them were kinda funky"so im interested in watching that grow", i havent botherd to go down to the b sky caffe because everyone is telling me i have to have a ocbc card as well as my medicann is this true?

All that is required is OCBC at blue sky. Medicann card is a joke, and not required at all! All you need is your doctor reccomendation (but ocbc is cool). Why put yourself on a registry that the government can seize.

[tinytoon]

plants looking real good from here!!

[martyrprojekt]

Thanks Tinytoon...Finally got this room dialed in and looking good. Now I am adding another tray of clones tomorrow. Should be fun! :D

The strains I am adding tomorrow are Purple Kush, GDP, and Grape Ape. The purple Kush is the oaksterdam strain mentioned in previous posts. I will say the strongest of all the strains is the GDP. They are more lush and are growing the quickest. So this next tray will be the GDP. I am saving two of those clones for cloning. Should be interesting. I might even cross the GDP with my citral genetics...a white plant with purple...should be mighty tasty! :jointsmile:

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[headshake]

sounds sweet mp! nice genetics. you could do some very nasty things! can't wait to see the mind of a madman at work.


-shake

[tinytoon]

we have been growing Medibud for about a year now and think I'm getting real close to having it dialed in. I'll have to take a pic of my metal cab so you guys can tell me if there is any wasted space in it hehe. I'll take it Sunday when I do my res change

[martyrprojekt]

Well I had a sneaky pete rear his ugly head today...Yanked his ass with a quickness as soon as he showed me his testicles!

A lot of flowering taking place. I will keep you all up to date on things as they go one...and when I am showing some nice flowers I will take a picture for you all!


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Stay stoned and Happy Growing! :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[LOC NAR on probation]

I know there's always a sneaky pete hanging around the hen house. Now the rest will be females. But keep a good eye out just in case. You did good on damage control from males.

Can't wait to see some white hairs. Really they ain't white haired old ladies, they are platinum blondes. Soon to be my favorite redheads. LOL

[tinytoon]

hey can you guys tell me if my cab is full? hehe :D believe it or not that is 2 plants, basically 1 big 1 and a lil sister. got 2 weeks left then they get the ax!! :jointsmile: sorry for the blurry close ups, I still learning proper way of taking pics in the dark lol

[martyrprojekt]

So far there have been 3 sneaky petes or shall we call them all PATS. Every one of these males showed both male and female parts. But, as soon as the nuts formed...they were gone! Those Bastards tried to infiltrate my room. I did get them all early enough. Moral of this story is...find a mother and grow from that in the future! I do think I might have one more male...Shitty but understandable!

They plants are looking good though...check it out for yourselves! :jointsmile:

Tiny, your plants are looking good my friend.

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[martyrprojekt]

also, I counted my cola points on the for sure females...31 tops, and 48 colas under leaves...I am going to trim to try and expose these to more light. And, this is not including the purple ones I added....he he he! :D

Should be interesting how much I can get out of the plants that are left.:thumbsup:

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Martyr

[LOC NAR on probation]

Sorry about the pete's or pat's but you did the right thing. Your right about a mother too. Just sit back and not worry about it mother has the genectics.

The plants are looking great. Try not to trim too many leaves they are muscles. Try tucking them under a branch to get they out of the way. When you have muscles you don't always need direct light.

We have been sooo bizy and not paying attention that we just found THRIPS. Set off pyrithum bombs this morning. Another bomb in 4 or 5 days will do the trick. First time for thrips. They came from bro in laws redbud skunk fem in soil. As I understand they need soil to grow larvae. We were just taking cuttings and I noticed the damage on the leaves and they spread to ones that just went into flower. I thought it was just some low leaf die off till I looked close and saw like shiney scale on leaves. Man they can do some damage. On closer look they leave little black dots of shit all over the leaf and man they eat holes from the bottom. We caught them before it got bad and DR DOOM to the rescue. Good thing I bought a case of small bombs way back when bro gave me spidermites.

I think this round of buds will be named after the DR.
We will call them DOOM buds, like pineapple express. LOL

[martyrprojekt]

Did not do any trimming...except for bottom leaves that were dying off anyways....due to lack of light...being under the canopy and all.

Also, Had to pull another male plant out this morning. This plant is very confusing. It shows an amazing top bud...then it starts to drop its nuts on you. Watch out for this if you order Citral Super Skunk!

Also...2nd try was dropped in this morning. They were already 14 inches tall...time for flower.

I harvest...and then two weeks later another harvest....


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-Martyr Projekt :hippy:

[LOC NAR on probation]

Sucks about another pat in the house.

Way to go on a harvest every two weeks, Damn.

[smokers]

cool thread ill be keeping an eye on this
:smokin:

[tinytoon]

sorry to hear you found more nuts ..... mine just went on plain PH'd water today so it is final week for me :thumbsup:

[martyrprojekt]

So I am in week 3 of flower...There was a heat issue that damaged some of the leaves...but, left the buds unharmed. The woman decided to turn the A/C off, and did not turn it back on. Caused the room to get above 95 degrees. You can definitely see the heat problems...but, the new growth and buds look fine. Thank god. I will post new pictures tomorrow.

Overall, the plants look really good. They are measuring over 3.5 feet now...and I am concerned they might get too big for the room. I will cross that bridge when I get there...especially since the strain is supposed to max out at 4 feet...and that would put the plants under the light by at least 2.5 feet. But, I am not even at the 6 week explosion yet...:wtf:so...we shall see if I need to lower the trays and figure out another draining method into the res. Maybe a side drain into res.? We shall see.

Nutes are on GH aggressive bud schedule...and they are looking rather nice. So far, I can see well over 100 colas total...Main and under colas. I will harvest the tops first...and then harvest my secondary colas 1-2 weeks later.

Tray #2...is looking damn good. Each one of my purple clones has been topped in the 3 main growth areas 2 weeks prior to budding. Each plant is currently showing over 8 main colas each. This second batch is scheduled for one week after the main harvest of Tray #1...and then I have my secondary cola harvests...the following 2 weeks.

I am estimating my yield to be very nice...final weight will not be posted...but, I will show pictures of the full yield.:jointsmile:

Stay tuned for pictures tomorrow.

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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[martyrprojekt]

Sorry guys.

I have been having some internet issues lately. I will post my new pictures later today for sure. The girls are looking good and the heat issue that effected one plant in particular does not seem to be having any effect on bud growth and density...which is fantastic.

The second tray is starting to show little nugs and I am very happy with this oaksterdam strain thus far. In fact, out of all my clones, I only lost one of them.

Anyways, I am posting again later.

[martyrprojekt]

Here is page one of my pictures.

[martyrprojekt]

Page #2...btw...Tray #2 is starting to show its top buds now. I will post pics of that next week.

[martyrprojekt]

Some nice bud sots for everyone from tray #1! You can see the heat issues on a couple of the shots. Fucking women and their need for turning the goddamn heater on during summer. :wtf:

[martyrprojekt]

here is the 2nd set of pictures of Tray #1

[martyrprojekt]

pictures from tray #2

[LOC NAR on probation]

Looking good even if a little heat got to them.

[tinytoon]

Nice looking!!! :thumbsup:

[martyrprojekt]

...fucking digital timers. My digital timer decided not to water my plants for the last two days. Fucking bullshit...SO...I have gone and purchased non-digital timers to avoid this from ever happening again. FUCK! :mad:

So...tray #2 looks droopy on all fan leaves...buds look great. BUT, FUCK! :mad::wtf:

SO I applied water quickly...And hopefully the droopiness shit will disappear.

FUCK.

[headshake]

8.

8....incase you were wondering how many times fuck was in the previous post. lol.

hope all the ladies pull through MP!


-shake

[martyrprojekt]

Fuck....there is number nine....LMAO!

I watered and I checked on them a little bit ago...Most of the plants look good right now. One of them looks fucked up. The next couple days will tell for sure...we shall see...:wtf:

[headshake]

*crosses fingers*

-shake

[martyrprojekt]

Thank god. Only one plant is looking poor this morning. She is being moved out into my sickbay...I am going to reveg her and possibly clone it. I am getting rather good at reveg...and closing from the reveg. So...I am going to replace her with one from my other flower room....Yes I am running two flower rooms now. :D

I am sure she wil perk up...need to get some veg nutes in her though.

[tinytoon]

glad to see disaster was avoided :thumbsup:

here time to calm down a bit :jointsmile::rastasmoke::rasta:

[martyrprojekt]

So Disaster was avoided with the watering mishap. The plant in question has recovered. There were a couple fan leaves I was forced to trim...Nothing else to report yet. I will have new picture up by Friday.

Anything new going on with you guys...I am loving Tiny's new log. Good stuff...should be interesting to see the refrigerated cuttings come to life. I would have never thought this was possible.

[headshake]

glad she pulled through MP!

i might have a fun little log to start here before too long too......


-shake

[martyrprojekt]

A Headshake and Tiny grow at the same time. Will the wonder of this forum never cease? I am down like Bobby Brown giving a beat down!

BTW:

Enjoy my new pics...:D

[tinytoon]

you should be very pleased at the end Marty, they look real good from here :thumbsup:

[martyrprojekt]

more pictures...

[martyrprojekt]

Some pictures from Tray #2

[martyrprojekt]

this is my third tray...

So Harvest will work like this...

Tray #1...will harvest First week of October
Tray #2...2nd week of October
Tray #3...3rd week of October

[martyrprojekt]

I am looking forward to the 6 week explosion. Wince we are approaching week 5, I am getting super stoked.

[LOC NAR on probation]

Looking good man.

Just a few pic's I got with my Bro's cam.
We are about a week away from harvest. Yum-O.

[LOC NAR on probation]

Forgot pic's. Oh the meds are good, maybe tooooo goooood.

[martyrprojekt]

looking good loc...I love a good bud shot...I always wanted a scratch and sniff computer screen for situations just like this! :D

[LOC NAR on probation]

looking good loc...I love a good bud shot...I always wanted a scratch and sniff computer screen for situations just like this! :D

Ain't that the truth. I almost hate to cut them cause they make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up every time I smell them. Fruity and greasy papaya in the close ups and HawaiianXskunkXbigbud in the bigshot. It's like being slapped in the face with a piece of the Islands. LOL

[martyrprojekt]

Hey Loc...those girls look they have a couple more weeks to go. Looking at the closeups of the trichomes...I dunno maybe the pics are from a while back!

[LOC NAR on probation]

Hey Loc...those girls look they have a couple more weeks to go. Looking at the closeups of the trichomes...I dunno maybe the pics are from a while back!

They still got a little over a week. Pic's are just a few days old.

Should of been done this weekend but I watch the trichomes and seems like another week or so till they turn mostly cloudy.

I got to get my camera fixed or borrow my bro's again. It is so much easier to see with macro on a cam.

[headshake]

looking sharp MP......you too LOC!

-shake

[tinytoon]

you guys are making me jealous, not to mention look bad LOL!!
/puff puff pass :jointsmile:

[martyrprojekt]

Thanks LOC, HEADSHAKE, and TINY...here are some more pictures for you guys...Frost seems to have come early to california this year! :jointsmile:

[martyrprojekt]

HERE ARE SOME MORE

[martyrprojekt]

here is some more stuff

[martyrprojekt]

tray #2 is finally on here. I swear it looks like an early christmas!

[tinytoon]

where is the pretty colored lights and the fat guy in the red suit????

[LOC NAR on probation]

Sweeeeeeet marty, I can almost smell them with my face up agaisnt the screen. LOL I love them thrichomes.

I was going to stop before xmas but now I don't think so. It's going to be one good Xmas, if I remember it.

Got the Papaya and hawiianxbigbud but I'm trying to get red hair skunk and some northernlights through. Never had northernlights can't wait.

[martyrprojekt]

Hey Tiny...I believe you are correct all we are missing is the fat dude in the red suit. I almost want to put christmas lights on them. I should do it for laughs with the next grow.

And Loc...There is only one thing better than christmas...a grow that is done curing a few days before christmas...that was everyone can be well medicated for the day of dread with the family!

I m enjoying this grow immensely. I really can't wait until the 6 week explosion...Been a long time since I have seen one of those up close. Hopefully everything continues going well, and I will be starting my second grow in November...So no christmas presents for me this year. :mad: Oh well! I should have leftovers from hollween to get me through it! :jointsmile:

So what strains should I grow for round 2?

I am considering more purples, trainwreck, casey jones, or this new BLUE DREAM I keep hearing about coming from Santa Cruz Genetics. What do you guys think?:wtf:

[LOC NAR on probation]

Definitly the BLUE DREAM.

It makes my mouth water and I don't even know what it is yet.
Now I have to go look it up.

Is Santa Cruze genetics the only one that has it ?

I must look around now. As if I don't have enough on my plate. LOL

[martyrprojekt]

so here is the deal with blue dream...like GDP, it is only found from clone. Blue dream has some of the stickiest buds I have seen in a long time. THe only issue I have with the stuff I have been getting is...I do not feel the farmers are growing/curing and drying it properly. SOOOOO, I am wondering what I can do with it? Maybe cross it with a purple male that I have access to?

So many possibilities...such little time!

[headshake]

so here is the deal with blue dream...like GDP, it is only found from clone. Blue dream has some of the stickiest buds I have seen in a long time. THe only issue I have with the stuff I have been getting is...I do not feel the farmers are growing/curing and drying it properly. SOOOOO, I am wondering what I can do with it? Maybe cross it with a purple male that I have access to?

So many possibilities...such little time!

tell me about it!

also, make sure to send some clones this way!


-shake

[martyrprojekt]

Status: Day 85, Tray#1 @ Day 42 in flower
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This is the beginning of week #6...Some of the leaves are starting to yellow already on Tray #1. This is happening on the big colas. Not surprised at all. They are monsters. 2 liter coke bottle sized. I will post some pictures later.


Flushing:
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I have a couple questions since I am coming upon it...I purchased florakleen from GH at the beginning of my grow. Since, this is still my first hydro grow...When is it a good time to start flushing tray #1? How much of this crap should I use...and when flushing should I continue using cal mag? Honestly, I get no really great answers on this when I ask...I guess it is a subjective question (depends on the grower). But, hey any ideas would be awesome.

One Major wrench to throw in:
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Also, There is an issue that I have neglected to speak about this entire time. One of the plants in Tray #1 is just now starting to bud...its gotten its crazy veg going on where the massive colas would form...and there are flowers forming all over the plant. Not a hermie...I swear.

Why the hell would this plant take so long to develop...and since this is in the same ebb and flow tray, how the fuck am I going to flush? Should I just clone the shit out of this plant? :D I dunno what to do with it...it is big bushy and beefy...it would be a shame to kill her for the sake of the other buds....

I have also been contemplating harvesting the tops and letting the bottoms continue to get more growth out of them...thus, letting this one plant play catch up. (perhaps I need to let this whole thing go to 10 weeks?) Suggestions would be great! :jointsmile:

one more update:
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I have had to tie some of my plants to keep them upright (heavy colas equal bending as they get bigger. I am assuming I should be expecting more during the 6 week explosion...but, am not sure with these strains, as they are new to me!

Picture explanations (I must be stoned if I feel the need to explain pictures):stoned:
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Pictures #1 and #2 are of the plant that is just now fully flowering (random happenings in the grow room)

Picture #3 - is my 2nd tray

Picture #4 and #5 - are from tray #3

[martyrprojekt]

:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile::j ointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[martyrprojekt]

some of my girls from tray #2...this one is going to be super sexy when done! The colas aren't massive...but, they are covered with snow! Then again, they have been getting bigger and fatter everyday!:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[martyrprojekt]

is it too late to add molases? Should I add it...if so, why and how much! :thumbsup:

[ForgetClassC]

Ive heard it gives the plant some extra simple sugars and lets it fatten up, I used 1 Tbsp/gal.

[Italiano715]

It's also said to help give your buds a better flavor and aroma being that the dry and cure is correct.

[LOC NAR on probation]

It's mostly for beneficial bactera to feed on there by helping the plant with what ever beni's do. I have not seen where the plants actually use the sugar.
I could be wrong.
How bad does it muk up your rez. I would not want to clean pumps and lines on a drip system. that's why I have not tried it.

[martyrprojekt]

good call on the drip system...but in tray #1 I am ebb and flow (starting week 6 of flower)...Tray #2 & #3 are drip. I am noticing more consistency with my drip systems...allthough, ebb and flow has much bigger growth overall. Just an observation.

Any thought on my first post? I will re-post it now....and here we go.




Status: Day 85, Tray#1 @ Day 42 in flower
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This is the beginning of week #6...Some of the leaves are starting to yellow already on Tray #1. This is happening on the big colas. Not surprised at all. They are monsters. 2 liter coke bottle sized. I will post some pictures later.


Flushing:
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I have a couple questions since I am coming upon it...I purchased florakleen from GH at the beginning of my grow. Since, this is still my first hydro grow...When is it a good time to start flushing tray #1? How much of this crap should I use...and when flushing should I continue using cal mag? Honestly, I get no really great answers on this when I ask...I guess it is a subjective question (depends on the grower). But, hey any ideas would be awesome.

One Major wrench to throw in:
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Also, There is an issue that I have neglected to speak about this entire time. One of the plants in Tray #1 is just now starting to bud...its gotten its crazy veg going on where the massive colas would form...and there are flowers forming all over the plant. Not a hermie...I swear.

Why the hell would this plant take so long to develop...and since this is in the same ebb and flow tray, how the fuck am I going to flush? Should I just clone the shit out of this plant? I dunno what to do with it...it is big bushy and beefy...it would be a shame to kill her for the sake of the other buds....

I have also been contemplating harvesting the tops and letting the bottoms continue to get more growth out of them...thus, letting this one plant play catch up. (perhaps I need to let this whole thing go to 10 weeks?) Suggestions would be great!

one more update:
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I have had to tie some of my plants to keep them upright (heavy colas equal bending as they get bigger. I am assuming I should be expecting more during the 6 week explosion...but, am not sure with these strains, as they are new to me!

[martyrprojekt]

Flushing:
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I have a couple questions since I am coming upon it...I purchased florakleen from GH at the beginning of my grow. Since, this is still my first hydro grow...When is it a good time to start flushing tray #1? How much of this crap should I use...and when flushing should I continue using cal mag? Honestly, I get no really great answers on this when I ask...I guess it is a subjective question (depends on the grower). But, hey any ideas would be awesome.

One Major wrench to throw in:
-------------------------------------------
Also, There is an issue that I have neglected to speak about this entire time. One of the plants in Tray #1 is just now starting to bud...its gotten its crazy veg going on where the massive colas would form...and there are flowers forming all over the plant. Not a hermie...I swear.

Why the hell would this plant take so long to develop...and since this is in the same ebb and flow tray, how the fuck am I going to flush? Should I just clone the shit out of this plant? I dunno what to do with it...it is big bushy and beefy...it would be a shame to kill her for the sake of the other buds....

I have also been contemplating harvesting the tops and letting the bottoms continue to get more growth out of them...thus, letting this one plant play catch up. (perhaps I need to let this whole thing go to 10 weeks?) Suggestions would be great!

[tinytoon]

let me guess the plant in question was in a corner and furthest away from the socket end of the lamp?

[martyrprojekt]

ding ding ding...Tell him what he has won BOB:thumbsup:...any suggestions to get this thing moving along? Of course, I could always move the tray further forward...to expose it to light! I also think this plant due to being ebb and flow is not getting as much water as the others.

I will be considering cutting down the plants to 7 per tray in the future...for obvious reasons!:D

[martyrprojekt]

Plus...ebb and flow is something I will no longer being doing in the future...only drip systems for me! Those plants look much better!:jointsmile:

[tinytoon]

the only way really that plant could be cheated in an E&F setup is if it is not level enough for water to get to that corner and I dont see that as possible from your pics. second, every grow I do shows me that the socket end of the light always has better growth, buds, etc. really starting to wonder what gonna happen when I get my grow room finished in Basement

[martyrprojekt]

allright guys...here are some pictures for you all! I took these 4 days ago...I will take some more tonight. :thumbsup:

[martyrprojekt]

allright guys...here are some pictures for you all! I took these 4 days ago...I will take some more tonight. :thumbsup:

[headshake]

looks delicious!

-shake

[LetsSeeYa]

Wow now those are some premo buds!

Great grow my man:thumbsup::rasta:

[Felixthecat]

wrong post

[martyrprojekt]

disaster on tray #1....oh well. Shit happens. :D

I should have let these plants go 14-15 weeks. When I harvested them this week they seemed nice and dense...no problem with them at all...damn was I wrong.

When they dried they became all light and airy....I am hoping that in curing they get denser. But, I believe I harvest WAAAAAAAYYYYY to early. But, hey lesson learned.

I will ask the forum for its opinion before I ever harvest again. Again, lesson learned. :wtf:

Now I am onto tray #2 and tray #3...Purple Erkel, Grape Ape, and GDP.

I will be posting pictures this week so you can see their progress.

[LOC NAR on probation]

They will not go back to dense. Many of mine are light and airy. Tried gravity and it helped but I should of done it 2 weeks before harvest instead of 3.

[tinytoon]

dont knock yourself for chopping early, been growing same strain for over a year and just now getting time and such dialed in.

[martyrprojekt]

allright kids...since this thread is now officially dead...I am starting a new one today. PURPLE KORNER!:jointsmile:

[martyrprojekt]

I will post a dry product picture later today...I ended up with one pound of good quality buds!

[martyrprojekt]

Total yield 1 lb....5 citral plants. Definitely a high yielder...and I cut early. Probably would have been closer to 2 pounds had I waited a couple weeks longer. :jointsmile:

[headshake]

Total yield 1 lb....5 citral plants. Definitely a high yielder...and I cut early. Probably would have been closer to 2 pounds had I waited a couple weeks longer. :jointsmile:

still not a bad yield from 5 plants!

catch you at the corner!


-shake