The Journey to God

[Mr. Happy]

"The journey to God is merely the reawakening of the knowledge of where you are always and what you are forever. I give you the lamp and will go with you. You will not take this journey alone. I will lead you to your true Father, who hath need of you, as I do." Jesus Christ

[Richol]

so whut you trying to say here exactly?

[Mr. Happy]

so whut you trying to say here exactly?

The quote is not mine but of Jesus from A Course in Miracles. The quote is saying that the truth of who we are cannot be changed and that we are perfect as we were created but that we are dreaming of being in exile from the perfect safety of Heaven and the Love of God. The quote is meant to assure us that Jesus walks with us through this nightmare and will help us, if willing, to awaken from the dream of death. Peace, MH:)

[Coelho]

The quote is not mine but of Jesus from A Course in Miracles.

From what i know, this book was written thousands of years after Jesus... so how can it have a quote from Him which isnt in the Bible?

[silkyblue]

hey praise God!
it helps the soul

anyone that claims to have "created the heavens and earth " in 7 seven measely days

is good in my book

:jointsmile:

[Mr. Happy]

From what i know, this book was written thousands of years after Jesus... so how can it have a quote from Him which isnt in the Bible?

If you accept that Jesus did not die, consider all things are possible in God. ACIM, including the quote starting this thread is very consistent with most of what Jesus said in the Bible. You have to remember that the actual Bible was formulated hundreds of years after his death and by imperfect men who often politicized the content and left out a lot of material. The premise of ACIM is that the content was scribed by Helen Shuchman from and inner voice that claimed to be Jesus of Nazareth. Believe me, I had a hard time swallowing that until I actually read the book cover to cover. It is fascinating and beautiful and explains a lot about questions I had always had about seeming contradictions in the Bible. Now, if you can believe that Revelations was scribed 2000 years ago, why not today. Presumably, we all have access to this inner voice but it takes a reversal (a mental discipline if you will) of our current ways of thinking and desiring to become aware of it, which would be the great awakening from the dream of death. Peace always, MH

[Mr. Happy]

hey praise God!
it helps the soul

anyone that claims to have "created the heavens and earth " in 7 seven measely days

is good in my book

:jointsmile:

Time is a concept created by man and God transcends time and space. The really cool part is that in reality we all do but we live in an endless maze of complexity created by our egoistic desires that require clock time. Its a trick and a prison. Free your mind and your ass will follow. Thanks, peace MH

[boaz]

hey praise God!
it helps the soul

anyone that claims to have "created the heavens and earth " in 7 seven measely days

is good in my book

:jointsmile:

and in the second or third day she created the herbs and seed bearing plants. and it was good. :smokin:

[Richol]

The quote is not mine but of Jesus from A Course in Miracles. The quote is saying that the truth of who we are cannot be changed and that we are perfect as we were created but that we are dreaming of being in exile from the perfect safety of Heaven and the Love of God. The quote is meant to assure us that Jesus walks with us through this nightmare and will help us, if willing, to awaken from the dream of death. Peace, MH:)



ok i c right on man i love J.C. and yup he does walk with us through this nightmare we call earth, but with J.C. walkin with us it makes it a whole lot easier then the herb helps alot to.

[Coelho]

ACIM, including the quote starting this thread is very consistent with most of what Jesus said in the Bible. (...) The premise of ACIM is that the content was scribed by Helen Shuchman from and inner voice that claimed to be Jesus of Nazareth.

Well... anyone can claim to be anything or anyone... but claiming to be someone and actually being someone is very different...

[silkyblue]

Free your mind and your ass will follow. Thanks, peace MH



oh yeah

[silkyblue]

:clap:

rowdy o

[PureEvil760]

We are what we were and what we shall be. Theres nothing you can teach or learn because we're a dream all different dreams. Think about teaching within a dream about your current dream to another's dream, both of them make no sence while awake so how could they gain anything truthful from one another?

ACIM along with every other true spiritual study is the art of becomming selfless. you're not really in a body you dont taste or smell or touch, thinking you do is the same as thinking your dreams are real, the meaning of these words isnt even real. How could anything exist if there is only God?

[cptcannabis]

"The journey to God is merely the reawakening of the knowledge of where you are always and what you are forever. I give you the lamp and will go with you. You will not take this journey alone. I will lead you to your true Father, who hath need of you, as I do." Jesus Christ

Ok, there are a few problems with this quote that point out to me that it's false, because it does not fall in line with what we know about God from the Bible and from Christ's own words. True, humans are born with an innate knowledge of God, a God-shaped hole, so to speak. We were made like this on purpose, because God desires communion, fellowship, and our worship. The whole "what you are forever" part is misleading, because our condition changes and is not static. At some point in the future those who have accepted the Lord will go to be with him and those who haven't, will be sent away from God according to their own wishes. So what you are is not constant. You either become complete through the renewal of our bodies and reunion with the Lord, or you become forever separated according to your own choice.

In Scripture, the lamp is the Word of God, the Bible. Jesus giving the lamp to someone would be Him simply giving someone the Word of God. This is true, and it is also true that Jesus accompanies us in our journey to become more like Him. It is also true that "no one comes to the Father except through me," as Jesus said.

But it is totally false that God NEEDS man. To insinuate that means that God is imperfect. God in His own nature is totally fulfilled and was before time began. He was perfectly contented within the fellowship of the three persons of the Godhead and didn't need man to fulfill him. In fact, the opposite is true, because man betrayed God through his choice to sin. God created man out of His own intense joy and contentment. The best example of this that I can think of is when a husband and wife love each other dearly and want to bring children into their life to share that joy. It was the same with God- a choice not born of need but of love.

[cptcannabis]

The whole concept of "this is just a big dream" can't hold true if you have common sense. It's like the Christian Scientists cult saying that disease and death are just conditions of the mind, and if you defeat the thought, then you defeat the malady. That's just silly. In order for anyone to have any kind of discourse on existence, you have to come to the table with the basic assumption that you can trust your senses. True, your senses can be deceived, but that's why you have five of them. The sensations you perceive form a consensus of the senses, which you interpret and react to.

[cptcannabis]

Paul in his Epistles to the early church says "test the spirits." Meaning just what my first post showed, that the quote from ACIM is inconsistent with what Jesus is known to have said as recorded by the apostles. Satan can appear in the form of an angel of light, so just because you hear some voice in your head that seems good, you can't just trust it off hand.

[cptcannabis]

Well... anyone can claim to be anything or anyone... but claiming to be someone and actually being someone is very different...

Exactly! When some Pharisees tried exorcizing a demon in the Gospel, using the name of Christ to drive the spirit out, it mocked them. The demon knew who Jesus was, and many of these so-called "ghost" encounters are just fallen angels screwing with the heads of mystics. Anyhow, the demon told the Pharisee, "Paul and Peter, I know. Jesus, I know of, but who are you?" And then the possessed man proceeded to attack the Pharisees and drove them from the house naked and screaming.

As Jesus said, "You will know them by their fruit." Again, you have to listen to what's being said and test it against what is known to be true.

[Mr. Happy]

But it is totally false that God NEEDS man. To insinuate that means that God is imperfect. God in His own nature is totally fulfilled and was before time began. He was perfectly contented within the fellowship of the three persons of the Godhead and didn't need man to fulfill him. In fact, the opposite is true, because man betrayed God through his choice to sin. God created man out of His own intense joy and contentment. The best example of this that I can think of is when a husband and wife love each other dearly and want to bring children into their life to share that joy. It was the same with God- a choice not born of need but of love.

I respectfully disagree. Well...while it is true that God is perfect, so are you because God cannot create a mistake, or that would make God imperfect. God does indeed have need of us...being his beloved. Man did not betray God but man is scared to death of the love of God. Man is running from God in every moment and the body is his mechanism to run, and death has become his god. This is why our ego seeks idols of pleasure to compensate for the false belief that we have betrayed God. Had we betrayed God and had He no need of us...why did Jesus come? To save the saved??? Those who believe that there are righteous and unrighteous people in this world believe God could leave a part of Himself behind and does not love a part of Himself. God has left noone behind. It is up to us to recognize his unconditional love for us. Peace, MH

[cptcannabis]

I respectfully disagree. Well...while it is true that God is perfect, so are you because God cannot create a mistake, or that would make God imperfect. God does indeed have need of us...being his beloved. Man did not betray God but man is scared to death of the love of God. Man is running from God in every moment and the body is his mechanism to run, and death has become his god. This is why our ego seeks idols of pleasure to compensate for the false belief that we have betrayed God. Had we betrayed God and had He no need of us...why did Jesus come? To save the saved??? Those who believe that there are righteous and unrighteous people in this world believe God could leave a part of Himself behind and does not love a part of Himself. God has left noone behind. It is up to us to recognize his unconditional love for us. Peace, MH

I think you missed a vital event there. True, we were created perfect by a perfect God, but because we were created with free will and the capacity to rebel against God, Adam & Eve chose to do that. I don't really think that mankind in general is scared of being loved by God but more scared of being answerable to God. Everyone wants to be their own God and make their own rules and feel their way through life just deciding whatever they want to do without any consequences. We sinned against a holy God, so since God is perfect, He cannot abide sin in His presence. God didn't NEED to save us, He WANTED to. From the very beginning, He is motivated by love- in our creation as beings with choice, in our redemption, having His own Son die for us to atone for those sins, and in the future, when we are all called home to live eternally in His presence.

God is distinct from His own Creation. Creation cannot be a part of God, because then God would be have contradictory aspects. God would be both good & evil. He would be both life & death. He would be rape, murder, and theft alongside love, charity, and peace. Since good and evil are mutually exclusive, God can't be both.

[Mr. Happy]

Paul in his Epistles to the early church says "test the spirits." Meaning just what my first post showed, that the quote from ACIM is inconsistent with what Jesus is known to have said as recorded by the apostles. Satan can appear in the form of an angel of light, so just because you hear some voice in your head that seems good, you can't just trust it off hand.

You seem perfectly willing to accept miraculous communications with God 2000 years ago and to believe literally the interpretations of God's messages by fallible but sincere men (which can be inconsistent even within the Bible), yet for you to consider that Christ communicates with us even today, to clarify inconsistencies...this you will not do. Why? You clearly believe in a Satan which is the great deceiver. So any attempt to clarify anything is feared as deception and imbued with distrust. There is a great deceiver but it is not a satan, it is inside you and me...it is the ego. We blame a satan for our evil thoughts so that we don't have to take responsibility for the state of our minds. Respectfully yours, MH.

P.S. The greatest inconsistency is God saying "I love you." and then saying "I will damn you for all eternity." Its a lie by the church created to control people through fear. And if you don't think the church can make mistakes... well, your not paying attention.

[Mr. Happy]

I think you missed a vital event there. True, we were created perfect by a perfect God, but because we were created with free will and the capacity to rebel against God, Adam & Eve chose to do that. I don't really think that mankind in general is scared of being loved by God but more scared of being answerable to God. Everyone wants to be their own God and make their own rules and feel their way through life just deciding whatever they want to do without any consequences. We sinned against a holy God, so since God is perfect, He cannot abide sin in His presence. God didn't NEED to save us, He WANTED to. From the very beginning, He is motivated by love- in our creation as beings with choice, in our redemption, having His own Son die for us to atone for those sins, and in the future, when we are all called home to live eternally in His presence.

God is distinct from His own Creation. Creation cannot be a part of God, because then God would be have contradictory aspects. God would be both good & evil. He would be both life & death. He would be rape, murder, and theft alongside love, charity, and peace. Since good and evil are mutually exclusive, God can't be both.

God is the alpha and omega. God is everything in totality. Good and evil are concepts created by man, just as space and time are created by man. Forgiveness is not understood by man very well. We think God could possibly forgive us if we become circumscribed to a certain kind of behavior and belief system. True Forgiveness is unconditional. Otherwise it could not be forgiveness but a conditional tolerance. True Love is unconditional. Peace, MH

[Mr. Happy]

It is an inherent contradiction to say that God is perfect, his creations are perfect and yet fallible because God created freewill. It makes no sense my friend. It is not God who needs to forgive us, we need to forgive ourselves and eachother or else we cannot understand or accept the unconditional, unlimited pure love of God which has never been in any danger of leaving us. Peace.

[Coelho]

You seem perfectly willing to accept miraculous communications with God 2000 years ago and to believe literally the interpretations of God's messages by fallible but sincere men (which can be inconsistent even within the Bible), yet for you to consider that Christ communicates with us even today, to clarify inconsistencies...this you will not do. Why? You clearly believe in a Satan which is the great deceiver. So any attempt to clarify anything is feared as deception and imbued with distrust.


That is so because the Bible already warned us, 2000 years ago, that in the end of the times there would be false prophets, and that their speech would be so good that they would decieve, if possible, even the choosen ones.

The bible also states clearly that even if an angel come from the sky with another gospel besides the existent one, that him be condemned.

So, one has the choice of believe in the Bible, or in whatever books one wish, but not in both, cause they contradict one another.

And dont forget that devil's greatest trick is make people think he doesnt even exist...


P.S. The greatest inconsistency is God saying "I love you." and then saying "I will damn you for all eternity." Its a lie by the church created to control people through fear. And if you don't think the church can make mistakes... well, your not paying attention.

I dont think its an inconsistency... God loves us all, but He allows each one the choice of loving Him back or leaving Him. The ones who choose to leave Him will be left outside the heaven, to enjoy the hell they created themselves for themselves, after living a life of evil.

[Mr. Happy]

That is so because the Bible already warned us, 2000 years ago, that in the end of the times there would be false prophets, and that their speech would be so good that they would decieve, if possible, even the choosen ones.

The bible also states clearly that even if an angel come from the sky with another gospel besides the existent one, that him be condemned.

So, one has the choice of believe in the Bible, or in whatever books one wish, but not in both, cause they contradict one another.

And dont forget that devil's greatest trick is make people think he doesnt even exist...

I dont think its an inconsistency... God loves us all, but He allows each one the choice of loving Him back or leaving Him. The ones who choose to leave Him will be left outside the heaven, to enjoy the hell they created themselves for themselves, after living a life of evil.

We are already enjoying the hell we have created now thinking we are separate from God. Yet are we in Heaven. The only choice to be made is to continue to search for salvation in idols which will always fail us, or forgive completely your brother and your self and know that Heaven is here. The belief in a devil has caused man to distrust his brother, who is everyone you see. Heaven is not attained through good deeds. Forgiveness is the only way and that is what Jesus taught who was the embodiment of God's forgiveness. Had God allowed his Son (everyone) to leave Him and to be lost to hell, that choice was by man made long ago. Yet God did not abandon us then or ever. We think God is vengeful like us, yet he sent His Son to teach us to forgive each other. The Bible tells us to forgive and that is all ACIM teaches as well. Its completely consistent and it is not another gospel. Its like a course you would take in college to learn something difficult. Thanks, MH

[Mr. Happy]

False prophets are those who teach that damnation is God's Will. There are plenty of those. MH

[Mr. Happy]

Those who take the Bible literally rather than symbolically...get ready to be stoned, and not the good kind of stoned. All who have not followed Jewish laws according to the literal interpretation, which is most of us I presume, should be stoned to death for one damn thing or another.

Of course its a symbolic text, taught to the people of the day, using language of the day. Then interpreted and reinterpreted not by God but by men who picked and chose what to put in it and what to leave out. Of course they left out all that contradicts what they believe. Of course we need clarification of the Bible. Yet does the Bible serve us and offer us glimpses of Gods love. Peace, MH

[Iambreathingin]

Free your mind and your ass will follow is a quote from Funkadelic.