Quick Fix Warning

[esh147]

So after my friends telling me how great quick fix was and reading these forums i decided to go with that and kept smoking until my ua. I practiced, and when i went to give it everything went smoothly. The temp in the cup after i poured the quick fix was 96, pretty much perfect right? Thats what i thought. Today my boss called me and the test was inconclusive so i failed, and after working there for nine months as a temp i am now unemployed. I realize it has worked for tons of people, but be warned if you have time to quit before your ua, DO IT! Do not rely on what has worked for other people because you could end up like me, out of a job and pretty much screwed for the time being. And for anyone that says i did it wrong, i didn't. The temp was perfect and i shook it before and after the heating and before dumping it in the sample cup. If you want to risk it then quick fix might work for you, but it didnt work for me!!! I will be sending my paperwork back to the company and see if they honor their supposed guarantee and will update you guys on whether they do or not. BTW I went to an actual lab, quick fix did work for me when they just did the cup that has the strips in it, but the lab caught it and i am no longer employed, thanks quick fix!

[suzieque]

What lab did you go to?

What paperwork do you have to send back to the company for a refund?

[esh147]

I don't have the paperwork yet as I found out yesterday and was not in the mood to go down there and see everyone, but when I get it I will let you guys know.

[Lightit]

which version u had and what was the batch number?

[user616]

Today my boss called me and the test was inconclusive so i failed, and after working there for nine months as a temp i am now unemployed.

This doesn't make sense. I don't know a lot about quick fix. But how does an inconclusive test mean a failed test??

[esh147]

I had version 5.7, the batch is 7400832001.
And for a lab ua if they detect that it is a substitution then it is considered inconclusive, and they consider it a refusal to give a sample, thus fail.

[user616]

I had version 5.7, the batch is 7400832001.
And for a lab ua if they detect that it is a substitution then it is considered inconclusive, and they consider it a refusal to give a sample, thus fail.

Did your boss actually tell you that he believed / assumed that you had used a substitution?
Or did he only state what you described in your original post i.e., "the test was inconclusive so [you] failed."

You said you have worked for this employer for 9 months, right? So, I would think there is already a good enough relationship there that your boss would want to try to give you as much explanation as possible, right?

I just used this Quick Fix (same version and batch number) for a pre-employment screen. They accepted for temperature. otherwise, I will post as soon as I hear back about the results.
But, as much detail as you can provide for us regarding the information from your boss and reasons for your being fired would be really appreciated.

[esh147]

I was there as a temp for nine months. There is a good relationship there and he said as soon as I am allowed to reapply he would bring me back. But as it was a pre employment test he said his hands were tied as far as letting me take another one. And believe me if I thought there was any chance I could pee clean legitimately I would have thrown a fit and demanded a retest. He said that the lab knew it was a substitution, and therefor considered a refusal, which is exactly the same as peeing dirty.

[Burnt Toast]

You shouldve asked for a copy of the actual MRO report instead of settling for verbal info.


And for a lab ua if they detect that it is a substitution then it is considered inconclusive, and they consider it a refusal to give a sample, thus fail. "Inconclusive" and "Substituted" are two different rulings. An inconclusive result generally means that the lab, for whatever reason, was unable to obtain a valid result, is not treated as a refusal. Substituted is a conclusive ruling, determined when the samples creatinine and specific gravity numbers are so low and/or divergent that its not consistent with normal human urine. Substituted rulings are often treated as a refusal.


the batch is 7400832001. This is a bar code number, not the batch number. The batch number is an alphanumeric code printed on the instructions sheet.

[user616]

BTW I went to an actual lab, quick fix did work for me when they just did the cup that has the strips in it, but the lab caught it and i am no longer employed, thanks quick fix!

What lab did you go to which is reporting "inconclusive" as "failure" ?

and at the beginning of your story, you say you [just] tried quick fix (sounding like you just tried if for the first time based upon your firends and these postings) ?

Also, I am confused by your further story that "the lab caught it" but that the they -- (presumably a different "they") -- who just used strips did not catch it.
How many times are you saying you tested with this quick fix?

[dejayou30]

This isn't true. I just got out of the drug testing industry and my mother also does drug testing at the hospital she works at and I can tell you that the described story is not how they do things. They must follow strict guidelines.

If they think you adultered the test, then they would tell you that and fail you. If they believe you substituted (ie. they find a bottle on you or the temp is not right), they make you retest immediately while someone is in the room with you. A test that is "inconclusive" or a "No result" is considered an automatic retest due to lab error.

Either this poster is a liar for some reason or the clinic did not follow protocol.

[killerweed420]

Its beginning to sound like maybe they were just trying to find an excuse not to rehire. If temp is right, which it will say that on the copy of the paper work that you get back after turning in the sample, then you would have passed. I suppose there is always the outside possibiity that there was something wrong with yours but highly unlikely.

[dejayou30]

I agree with killerweed420, if the test really was "inconclusive", and I have never heard of an inconclusive test out of the millions of results I dealt with on a daily basis for nearly 2 years, they would let you retest. Failing a drug test is kind of a big thing because most places bar you from employment for a year, they have an MRO doctor call you to talk about when you last used the drug you tested positive for, etc. so a failed test not something they are going to just drop on you without any further explanation. THey have strict regulations they must follow with failed tests. Sounds like they were just trying to cut you out without laying you off, probably to try to get out of paying unemployment or something.

[user616]

I just used this Quick Fix (same version and batch number) for a pre-employment screen. They accepted for temperature. Otherwise, I will post as soon as I hear back about the results.


Things are looking good for my success this past week with quick fix 5.7 ... (though I get it that one of these numbers is actually the bar code and not the batch number).

I am supposed to start my new job on Monday which was subject to pre-employment screening. The lab said my employer should have the UA results by today. I don't plan on inquiring further as I understand if I had failed or if there had been another problem, someone would let me know not to bother showing up for work on Monday.
But I will still let you all know more.

[phattyt007]

Things are looking good for my success this past week with quick fix 5.7 ... (though I get it that one of these numbers is actually the bar code and not the batch number).

I am supposed to start my new job on Monday which was subject to pre-employment screening. The lab said my employer should have the UA results by today. I don't plan on inquiring further as I understand if I had failed or if there had been another problem, someone would let me know not to bother showing up for work on Monday.
But I will still let you all know more.

Please do post how things turned out. As someone who is still not 100% sure as to whether or not a Pre-Screen Drug Test will be administered for his new job I'm definitely interested in seeing if Quick Fix is still a fool-proof subbing method.

[user616]

Please do post how things turned out. As someone who is still not 100% sure as to whether or not a Pre-Screen Drug Test will be administered for his new job I'm definitely interested in seeing if Quick Fix is still a fool-proof subbing method.

Again, if no one calls me tomorrow to revise the last instructions that I show up for work on Monday, I think it's pretty clear all is good. But, in any event, I expect to hear a final word when I meet with the human resources offices on Monday morning.
So I will post Monday when I am back home.

This forum has been awesome. I just finished college and felt so lucky to get a job. Then, I found our I needed to do pre-employment screening - a background check an ddrug screening. I had 3 weeks and I quit smoking. And I drank Total Eclipse but with only a few days to go, all my home tests were still failing for THC.
I was a mess. Then I found this forum and bought Quick Fix on friday delivered this past Monday before noon.

[phattyt007]

I couldn't agree more, User616. These forums have been a fantastic resource for me as well. I actually graduated from college right at a year ago with my Masters degree and haven't been able to find full-time work that can pay for all my bills (i.e., student loan payments, rent, etc). Luckily I have some really cool friends and family that have helped me out but. That's why my new job is so important as it pays decently and will allow me to fully support myself.

Best of luck to you!

[esh147]

I have the paperwork finally, and so sorry for my mistake, inconclusive was the wrong word. INVALID is what the paper work says. I have no motive for lying, believe me I wish I could tell you guys its foolproof. Verbatim the report says: Specimen is invalid due to abnormal physical characteristics: NO URIC ACID (thats a big one), no odor (smell your quick fix), no foaming and bright yellow color.
I am not trying to fuck with anyone, just want people to have good information when dealing with something as important as getting a job. Its not worth it guys, if you have time to quit do it. Quick fix failed me, and if I had read my posts I would have a job right now because its not worth risking it just to be high for 30 days.
Like I said before, I realize that quick fix has worked for a lot of people on this forum, and if you want to gamble you have decent odds to beat the system, but it is not guaranteed by any means.

[esh147]

What lab did you go to which is reporting "inconclusive" as "failure" ?

and at the beginning of your story, you say you [just] tried quick fix (sounding like you just tried if for the first time based upon your firends and these postings) ?

Also, I am confused by your further story that "the lab caught it" but that the they -- (presumably a different "they") -- who just used strips did not catch it.
How many times are you saying you tested with this quick fix?

You can try and discredit me as much as you want, but this is just semantics. Do you really expect me to list the name of each place that tested me? That might seem fair, but as a lot of smokers I am paranoid and don't want someone randomly reading this to put two and two together and suspect me. Its pretty plain, if you go to a lab then you might get caught as I did. If its just a simple test where you pee in a cup that already has the strips in it you are good because they aren't going to test for anything more than the drug metabolites. But in that case you might as well save some money and dilute and take some B12 because they wont know the difference anyways and the temp is guaranteed to be right.
Also I think it is pretty obvious that when i say 'they' i am inferring another entity. Why the hell would the lab test me, say im clean, then when i use the exact same system have it come back invalid?
If your job is important to you and you have the time to get clean DONT RISK IT. If you don't have time then your hands are tied anyways, and it has worked for a lot of people. One of my friends that recommended quick fix to me went to a hospital and he passed. All I am saying is that it is not 100%, and if you value your job don't risk it.
And to clarify I have used it twice. Once when it was just a cup that had the strips in it, (obviously) and once at a lab.
Sorry if I come across as being pissy, but I am! I fucking lost my job, am trying to help people not lose theirs and am being accused of lying. FUUUU!!!

[esh147]

Tell you guys what, you vote on who you trust the most on these forums, and if that person will give me their email address i will give them my phone number and we can talk. I am totally serious about everything i have posted here, and am doing this purely so other people don't have to go through what I did. I just want all the pot smokers to live in peace and not get screwed by the man. So if thats what it takes for people to believe me I will do it for your benefit. Tomorrow I will hook up my scanner and scan my paperwork so you guys can see it for yourselves. I believe that quick fix will work for the majority of people, but if you have time to get clean and you cant afford to lose your job then don't rely on this alone. I am sincere, and will for sure call or give my number to whoever you guys want to talk to me.

[phattyt007]

Tell you guys what, you vote on who you trust the most on these forums, and if that person will give me their email address i will give them my phone number and we can talk. I am totally serious about everything i have posted here, and am doing this purely so other people don't have to go through what I did. I just want all the pot smokers to live in peace and not get screwed by the man. So if thats what it takes for people to believe me I will do it for your benefit. Tomorrow I will hook up my scanner and scan my paperwork so you guys can see it for yourselves. I believe that quick fix will work for the majority of people, but if you have time to get clean and you cant afford to lose your job then don't rely on this alone. I am sincere, and will for sure call or give my number to whoever you guys want to talk to me.

Definitely disconcerting...I hope some other anomaly occurred because having Quick Fix become irrelevant would be absolutely insane, and definitely not insane in a good way...

[esh147]

I'm not trying to scare you guys, if this is your only hope then go in and be confident and don't give anything away because it obviously has worked for other people, I'm just saying if you have time to get clean don't risk it. When I went in I was nervous, but forced myself to act natural and to talk w the lady. I joked w her and even made her laugh when I asked if I could wash up while she was writing shit down, and she said no and handed me the pen to sign, I said damn you guys must go thru a lot of pens cause I know your not handling that thing after I just pissed. Like I said, mine couldn't have gone better, and when I walked out I thought I killed it and slept like a baby because of what my friends had told me and what I had read. I wasn't afraid at all until my boss called me the next day way before I was supposed to show up (I worked graveyard so I knew it couldn't be good).

[suzieque]

I have the paperwork finally, and so sorry for my mistake, inconclusive was the wrong word. INVALID is what the paper work says. I have no motive for lying, believe me I wish I could tell you guys its foolproof. Verbatim the report says: Specimen is invalid due to abnormal physical characteristics: NO URIC ACID (thats a big one), no odor (smell your quick fix), no foaming and bright yellow color.
I am not trying to fuck with anyone, just want people to have good information when dealing with something as important as getting a job. Its not worth it guys, if you have time to quit do it. Quick fix failed me, and if I had read my posts I would have a job right now because its not worth risking it just to be high for 30 days.
Like I said before, I realize that quick fix has worked for a lot of people on this forum, and if you want to gamble you have decent odds to beat the system, but it is not guaranteed by any means.

My urine doesn't foam. Unless its the first sample of the morning, it doesn't smell either. If I take my multivitamin in the morning, it has a bright yellow color.

Now to go google "uric acid"

[Burnt Toast]

Verbatim the report says: Specimen is invalid due to abnormal physical characteristics: NO URIC ACID (thats a big one), no odor (smell your quick fix), no foaming and bright yellow color.


Tomorrow I will hook up my scanner and scan my paperwork so you guys can see it for yourselves.

I, for one, will be looking forward to seeing this.

[esh147]

So my scanner was being a little bitch so I just took a couple pictures and uploaded those. Here you go.....
http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/af269/c_greg_photo/UA002.jpg
http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/af269/c_greg_photo/UA001.jpg

[imrolling]

Wow that's bad. Glad I diluted... :wtf:

Would be good to get someones opinion on this like FBR or KW...

[tign8r]

Hi all. I have been visiting this post for quite some time now as a passing visitor and am nothing less then appreciative of the information that's been posted here, specifically on subbing with Quick Fix.

Last year in August I subbed using Quick Fix 4.2 and it worked like a charm.
I am a very well endowed female and I hid the bottle under my breast.
I practiced, practiced, practiced to make sure I got it right and most obviously I did.

I'm switching jobs again and am facing yet another uncomfortable pre-employment screening with physical at a place called concentra.
I'm EXTREMELY concerned with this thread as I fully intended on subbing again with Quick Fix.

I looked over the pics that were supplied and the very first thing that stood out to me was the fact that it is listed as a 3-panel drug screen but when you look at the results it shows that it is a 5 panel. That in itself is a huge discrenpency. I have NEVER gone to a facility that on paper states it is a 3 panel but results it as a 5 panel. Seems pretty weird to me.

As I am facing my own test next week I could really use some reassurance from you long timers on the validity of this claim and the paper work submitted for our viewing purposes. Has anyone ever gone to the same place this person went to? Has anyone ever been busted at concentra? I really need some reassurance here that subbing will work again.

SMOKE ON I SAY!! :)

[user616]

When I first saw this post from esh147, I really suspected s/he was trying to scare people ... but the photo of the results are problematic.
I also checked the site for this lab at Bio Med Testing (http://www.bio-medtesting.com)
and it does look like they are on a mission (at least their own mission) to try to identify substituted synthetic urine.

At
:: Bio-Med Testing Inc :: (http://www.bio-medtesting.com/testing_details.php?division=DrugTesting#4their) web site says:

Adulteration/Substitutions
There appears to be an increase in adulteration products, which are commercially purchased products brought in to add to a urine sample like Urine-Aid, Urine-Luck, Turboclean, and Klear in the hopes that the donor can pass the test. Laboratories monitor specimens to show if it contains an adulterating substance or if it is a sample that is not consistent with human urine. If these are found, no drug test is conducted it is automatically considered a "refusal to test."

Wow - that is scary.

For my test from last week with quick fix, I am still thinking all went well as there is still no phone call today telling me I failed the pre-employment screening and not to show up Monday as last instructed. but I am thinking if I ever need to do this again, may be time to find someone who doesn't smoke weed (or do anything else).

But my quick fix wasn't bright yellow like the one from esh147
What's that about?

[tign8r]

Right...the website says it's considered a "refusal to test".
With that said, one would think the paperwork would say that same verbiage, right?

[user616]

another website says that some testing parameters are ph tests (which based on the below description would seem to address the issue of uric acid, though I thought from review of the quick fix synthetic urine that proper ph was present in quick fix):

see e.g.
section on Urine Specimen Validity (Adulteration)Test

at
Urine Sample Adulteration Test (http://www.craigmedical.com/Urine_adulteration_test.htm)


pH tests for the presence of acidic or alkaline adulterants in urine. Normal pH levels should be in the range of 4.0 to 9.0. Values outside of this range may indicate the sample has been altered.

[esh147]

I understand that you guys want to dispute the validity of my claim because if I am not lying this is a pretty big problem, and its easier to just think I am full of shit and ignore it. Its your choice, but don't say I didn't warn you. All the evidence is right there.
As to why it displays five results I wondered about that too, and have no reasonable explanation for that other than they never even really tested the stuff for metabolites, but who knows.
And if you do some reading on quick fix somewhere I read that color differs from batch to batch. Besides, mine was hardly even bright, I have definitely pissed brighter yellow taking vitamins. I'm pretty sure the woman who administered the test was some kind of nazi who enjoys catching us when she can. Bitch.
If you do use quick fix I hope it does work for you, and if it does then tell us about it, but if it doesn't, and you get similar results as mine I guarantee you will curse yourself for being stupid and not taking the safe route just because you couldn't abstain for thirty days. Thats how I feel right now, especially because thirty days is nothing really. You even save money abstaining instead of spending more buying something that may or may not work on top of buying your smoke.
But whatever guys, the only thing I ask is that you let people read this and decide for themselves. Don't post that this is a bunch of shit and mislead people into believing quick fix is foolproof, because everything I have said and shown you guys is what really happened, and if I had had this information a month ago I would still have a job.
My offer to contact or be contacted by a trusted forum reg still stands.

[killerweed420]

I would normally ask for a confirmation test but in a case like this there's nothing for them to check for. This is very odd. Only a 3 panel test, which is unusual, no uric acid? Doesn't make sense. And as far ass color,foaming and smell not really relevant. And again who is dumb enough to go around smelling someones urine? Not a medical professional for sure.
I would fight this. Call the lab and find out how they tested for uric acid. Ask why any medical professional would be smelling urine. And tell them you think that the urine sample must have been mixed up with somebody elses.
Tell us what all happened in the lab when you took your test. Did they follow procedures for chain of custody and documentation.
You may be able to get your states dept of Labor and industries to help you investigate. Just claim wrongful termination and they will check to make sure everything was done legally.

[killerweed420]

Went to there website. They do seem to be a flunky little company based in Oregon. I would really expect they have made a mistake somewhere in there handling and testing. This is another example of why drug testing should be done away with. Too unrelaible.

[user616]

Do you not think it is possible that some testing companies are trying to crack down on the use of synthetic urine?

If so, why would it be inappropriate to test for that kind of substitution?

[esh147]

I would normally ask for a confirmation test but in a case like this there's nothing for them to check for. This is very odd. Only a 3 panel test, which is unusual, no uric acid? Doesn't make sense. And as far ass color,foaming and smell not really relevant. And again who is dumb enough to go around smelling someones urine? Not a medical professional for sure.
I would fight this. Call the lab and find out how they tested for uric acid. Ask why any medical professional would be smelling urine. And tell them you think that the urine sample must have been mixed up with somebody elses.
Tell us what all happened in the lab when you took your test. Did they follow procedures for chain of custody and documentation.
You may be able to get your states dept of Labor and industries to help you investigate. Just claim wrongful termination and they will check to make sure everything was done legally.

Read the sticky about the guy who worked at a testing facility. How you decided that color, smell, and foaming aren't relevant is beyond me. Everyone knows what urine looks and smells like, so yeah anything that deviates from that is potentially relevant. Add that to the fact that there was no uric acid and it's pretty obvious really.

[killerweed420]

Yeah this is a post from lew scannon on another site. One of the true experts in the field. There is definitely something wrong with this labs protocols.
C/P
Sounds like your boss BS'd you big time. You shouldve asked for a copy of the MRO report. Never accept verbal info by itself.

For starters, color is not too much of a concern to the labs as long as its not some foreign color thats not supposed to be present in normal human urine ( ie, blue, purple, etc) . A lack of odor is not a concern since this can be exhibited in some human samples. Samples that exhibit no foam are not a concern. What raises the red flags are samples that exhibit excessive foaming when shaken.

Cortisol and uric acid is not tested in a urine sample. There are no standards established nor cutoff levels established. So how can a sample pass/fail this when there are no established cutoff levels to go by?

[esh147]

I'm not going to keep trying to justify their actions. What happened happened. If you are convinced its going to work then do it. I truly hope it does work for you. This post is only here so people are aware that it is not 100%. I know four people in real life who have used this and it worked for them. So if 80% is good enough for you than gamble away. But if you cannot afford to lose your job and have time to quit then just be aware that you are taking a gamble if you choose to trust quick fix.
My boss on the other hand doesn't care what I do in my free time. He already told me that he will hire me back as soon as I am eligible. We have talked about how drug testing is an unfair practice and shouldn't be done until they find a test that will tell you if the person is high right now at this moment. I get the perception that he helped them out me, but that is not how it happened in this instance.

[esh147]

One more link:
Erowid Drug Testing Vaults : The Basics (http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/testing/testing_info1.shtml)

SAMPLE VALIDITY VERIFICATION TESTING
SAMHSA's testing protocol also requires that labs verify the 'validity' of the urine samples collected to check to make sure they are not adulterated or have been tampered with to interfere with the results. They require that the lab "(1) Determine the creatinine concentration on every specimen; (2) Determine the specific gravity on every specimen for which the creatinine concentration is less than 20 mg/dL; (3) Determine the pH on every specimen; (4) Perform one or more validity tests for oxidizing adulterants on every specimen; and (5) Perform additional validity tests when the following conditions are observed: (i) Abnormal physical characteristics; (ii) Reactions or responses characteristic of an adulterant obtained during initial or confirmatory drug tests (e.g., non-recovery of internal standards, unusual response); or (iii) Possible unidentified interfering substance or adulterant. The choice of additional validity tests is dependent on the observed indicators or characteristics as described in (i), (ii), and (iii) of this section.". Source Federal Register: April 13, 2004 (Volume 69, Number 71), Page 19659.

Another thing to consider. You got online, found and ordered this product no problem right? What makes you think the lab testing you didn't do the same thing? It's not hard to see that if they did then there is a pretty good chance they found a way to distinguish synthetics from the real stuff if they choose to put the effort in. And the argument that if there is no standard cut off level of uric acid is valid, but there was NONE in my sample (according to them).
Seriously this is starting to piss me off. I am just relating my story, and trying to help people not end up in my situation. If anything I have said time and again that quick fix might work for you, not that it is a bogus product. I am only advocating for people to abstain instead of using quick fix if that is an option for them. Again, if that is not an option then yeah, I would probably try quick fix (as long as it was a different lab).

[Burnt Toast]

I seriously doubt the veracity of that report altogether.

In addition to the panel discrepency pointed out by tign8r, I found other anomolies:

- The fact that there is no signature provided by both the lab scientist, nor the MRO, which is a must on all CCF forms.

- The report is stated to have been verified on 6/16/09 - 1 day after the sample has been collected. And all this after the sample has been sent off to another site for analysis. Sorry, but even if the sample was rush-couriered to another facility, and that the sample was analyzed with the most instant means of methodology available, the process would still take longer than 1 day.

- Uric acid is not tested in a urine sample. If it was, it would be clearly outlined in the criteria set by the US Deptartment Of Health & Human Services (the governing body that overlooks the operations of all labs practicing in the US), complete with cutoff thresholds established, just like it is for creatinine, pH, SG, etc. As you see in the regulations, no such criteria has been established. Therefore its highly improper for a lab to flag a sample for a lack of uric acid when there is no criteria established for uric acid.

- A lack of smell is not a sufficient cause to flag a urine sample because this condition can be had in human urine samples too. Therefore its improper for a lab to flag a urine sample due to a lack of smell present.

- A sample with a "bright yellow color" is not a sufficient cause for a red flag. Therefore its improper for a lab to reject a sample because of this condition. Samples with foreign colors to them (blue, black, purple, or any other color thats not supposed to be present in human urine) are cause for red flags.

- A lack of foaming, like a lack of odor, can be had in some human samples as well. Therefore its improper for a lab to reject a sample due to a lack of foaming. What will raise the flags is excessive foaming when the sample is shook (due to the use of some adulterants).


My decision? In total agreement with Deejay - either you are telling one big BS story, or you have been screwed over big time by the lab not following established protocols. The bad thing is this couldve happened to you even if you gave them a clean human sample. The report in no way, shape, or form proves from an evidentiary standpoint that you have used a synthetic substitute for the U/A.

If this whole story is actually true, then you need to fight this all the way to the end. As I said, this couldve happened to anyone who was truly drug-free and had submitted their own clean sample.

[funkyskunk]

People have been using this product for years. I have never heard of a fail untill this post and one other. If quick fix was failing everybody on this board would let people know. So exactly 2 in the world have had this problem?

[esh147]

I just had an idea. The phone number for this place is on the picture of the paperwork linked above. If someone is motivated call them and tell them you are an employer concerned about substituting and see what they say. I would do this myself, but no one would believe me anyways. I did just call spectrum though and the lady I talked to was shocked when I told her my story and wants my paperwork, which I will gladly pass onto them so they can make a better product.

[esh147]

Ok guys new update. I am contacting a lawyer, and we will see what s/he says about the situation. I will let you know.

[Burnt Toast]

I'm pretty sure the woman who administered the test was some kind of nazi who enjoys catching us when she can. Bitch.
As I earlier pointed out, no signature of the lab scientist is present on the form. So how do you know the gender of the person who performed the analysis?

[esh147]

I was referring to the person who physically took the sample from me and finished the paperwork while I was still there.
Why does this even matter to you? It has nothing to do with the topic.....

[imrolling]

In his defense, he did say 'administered the test'.

I personally am interested to see where this goes, because it would benefit us all to see if the protocols and methods used by the labs are beginning to change because of the widespread use of substitution. Maybe they are securing the different brands, and when a UA sample comes in that matches exactly the chemical characteristics of a QF batch for example (exact same ph, SG, etc), it is subjected to further testing?

Healthy debate is good for all of us IMO.

[Burnt Toast]

I was referring to the person who physically took the sample from me and finished the paperwork while I was still there.
Why does this even matter to you? It has nothing to do with the topic..... It most certainly has everything to do with the topic in which you brought up. The person who took the sample from you and finished your paperwork is just a collector. She was not the person who "administered" the test, per se, and doesnt deserve to be called a "Nazi" or "bitch". Those names should be directed towards the individual who actually performed the analysis.

[killerweed420]

Pretty obvious protocols were not followed. Also as a side note. NEVER agree with a techs decision that you're a drug addict. Always raise hell. If you don't look pissed off at a positive they're going to think you are guilty. Drug tests are far from perfect and primarily because of the human element
Also I am not QuckFix salesman. Just a person who has used QF over 20 times in the last few years for pre-employement and randoms. And it has never failed me. I like QF because it has always worked and so have no reason to experiment with any of the other synthetic urines out there.

[user616]

Do you not think it is possible that some testing companies are trying to crack down on the use of synthetic urine?

If so, why would it be inappropriate to test for that kind of substitution?


and BTW - I am still thinking I passed with quick fix 5.7 this past week. Like I have posted, all pre-employment screening results are supposed to be at human resources by today (at the latest) and no one has called me to tell me not to show up on Monday morning. I'll follow up Monday.

[tign8r]

Ordered my bottle of Quick Fix 5.7 for my test next week.
This will only be my 2nd time using it. I will definitely let everyone know how it goes. Damn straight if some schmuck tries telling me it failed for the same reasons as ESH all hell will break lose. Knowledge is power and power is knowledge. Thanks for the great information you all provide!!
Wish me luck :hippy:

[kermitthehermit]

I am disturbed by this thread too. I am a middle aged guy who has been smoking since the 1970's, off and on. Mostly on lately. I am responsible, good at my job and a good citizen. Yeah, I smoke to relax and to open creative thought paths but I am discrete and private and again, responsible. I have a corporate opportunity that requires a pre-employment drug test. Testing is unfair, intrusive and immoral, but to play the game, I - like most of you - have done what was necessary to pass. QF was a tool I was planning to use to get past it. I hope this was a one-time bad experience. Keep posting and stay free, people. Good luck to us all.

[lshoults1983]

My friend got popped with a random drug screen at a well-known pharmacy retail store on Thursday. I was able to sneak in some Quick Fix 5.7 to her through the drive-thru. She had time to warm it up to the correct temperature range, but she is very nervous because she's never tried anything like this before. I knew she didn't have time to flush her system, so I grabbed the only alternative that they had at the vitamin store: synthetic urine. I think Quest diagnostics is the lab, but I'm not sure. Obviously, if she fails, she loses her job. The specimen was thrown into a bag and then shipped off to Delaware or something. Any thoughts?

[gypski]

I can only wonder when there will be mandatory urine test for all members of congress and the senate. And yes Barry, one for you too.

[FakeBoobsRule]

A couple of people asked questions on their own tests instead of startin their own threads. I may have to clean this up later when I have time and give them their own threads maybe not.

I don't know why Esh would write a fake story and go through the trouble of making a fake document and keep this up but it's very hard to swallow.

Something stinks in Denmark and I would start with the lab. The lack of a MRO is a huge problem. No othe validity tests done and no established levels or ranges of anything is also troubling. The lab that performed the test, something's not right there.

I have a plan for tomorrow. I'll let you know the results!

[phattyt007]

A couple of people asked questions on their own tests instead of startin their own threads. I may have to clean this up later when I have time and give them their own threads maybe not.

I don't know why Esh would write a fake story and go through the trouble of making a fake document and keep this up but it's very hard to swallow.

Something stinks in Denmark and I would start with the lab. The lack of a MRO is a huge problem. No othe validity tests done and no established levels or ranges of anything is also troubling. The lab that performed the test, something's not right there.

I have a plan for tomorrow. I'll let you know the results!

I'm not sure what you have planned but I hope, whatever it is, that it eases my mind about using Quick Fix

[user616]

I don't know why Esh would write a fake story and go through the trouble of making a fake document and keep this up but it's very hard to swallow.


I don't know why either. is it someone who works for that lab and is on his/her own mission?
But to add to verification questions, a friend of mine performed a search, and the person's name who is listed as the speciman collector on Esh's report does not appear in regular records for Oregon (such as registry of motor vehicle records and credit reports records with Oregon address) ??!

Otherwise, I am happy to report -- I passed my pre-employment drug screening with Quick Fix 5.7.
Testing was perfomed by a lab / company which is in the business of providing services to employers such as pre-employment screening.

Should these results be listed elsewhere?

[lshoults1983]

Congratulations, User! The jury is still out on my friend's sample. She thought today would be the day that they would axe her, but apparently the results aren't in yet. I will re-post as soon as we know the results. Wish her luck!

[phattyt007]

But to add to verification questions, a friend of mine performed a search, and the person's name who is listed as the speciman collector on Esh's report does not appear in regular records for Oregon (such as registry of motor vehicle records and credit reports records with Oregon address) ??!

That's definitely pretty fishy. It certainly makes me more inclined to believe that Quick Fix is still a VERY viable subbing option, particularly given your recent success using it. BTW congrats on passing! :thumbsup:

[user616]

Thanks for the congratulations !! Total relief.

Other follow-up: the collector from Esh's Bio-Med report does appear as an employee on the Bio-Med website. See:

"Meet the BIO-MED Team" at
:: Bio-Med Testing Inc :: (http://www.bio-medtesting.com/staff.php?name=Lea)

So, there are other reasons which could explain her not appearing on Oregon RMV or credit report records such as she is young or new to the area ...
and Esh could be getting screwed by a messed up facility.
Just really hard to tell what's going on.

In the meantime, I am also looking forward to hearing from lshoults about the friend's results.

[funkyskunk]

Everybody needs to report if you use it for now on. We have to track this. I rely on quick fix everyday. Hopefully an isolated incident.

[Bigg Cellus]

I had just used my batch 3 weeks ago which was 2 years old as far as the customer service lady told me (4.0) and passed at concentra. somethings fishy.

[esh147]

You guys crack me up. Seriously I might be working for the lab and I am such a loser that I take my job so seriously I get online and try to scare people out of using quick fix in the hopes they will quit using drugs? Sadly on the internet anything is possible, but that is funny shit. Even funnier because all I have advocated is abstaining if you have time, and if you don't than quick fix is your next best bet.
More likely I researched the product I intended to use so I could keep my livelihood and was disappointed by it when everything I had ever read about it said it would work. Therefor being a decent person who doesn't want to see other decent people who smoke a little pot and are unjustly considered criminals suffer just because they are subjected to bad information like I was.
I am meeting with a lawyer soon and will keep you guys updated with whatever they tell me.
I also took the pics down because I am a paranoid bastard and if the lawyer says we have a go I am not taking any chances no matter how remote. Besides the people who saw them and responded have confirmed the results already. Which by the way I appreciate you guys not posting any names on the form since that could narrow things down.

[killerweed420]

We all appreciate the posts. We're just trying to seperate fact from fiction to find out why QF might have failed. And in your case it appears it failed because the drug tech did not follow protocol. You should have a good case against them.

[user616]

And in your case it appears it failed because the drug tech did not follow protocol.

I would go even further and as the title says warn everyone about Bio-Med Lab in Oregon.

Quick Fix 5.7 worked for me the same week Esh got these failed results from Bio-Med Lab in Oregon.
Again, their whole web site looks like they are on their own mission.

But fortunately my pre-employment screening took place nowhere near Oregon.

[killerweed420]

I agree. It appears Bio-Med is a farce and is just there to persecute people.

[kermitthehermit]

Adulteration/Substitutions
There appears to be an increase in adulteration products, which are commercially purchased products brought in to add to a urine sample like Urine-Aid, Urine-Luck, Turboclean, and Klear in the hopes that the donor can pass the test. Laboratories monitor specimens to show if it contains an adulterating substance or if it is a sample that is not consistent with human urine. If these are found, no drug test is conducted it is automatically considered a ?refusal to test.?

[phattyt007]

Adulteration/Substitutions
There appears to be an increase in adulteration products, which are commercially purchased products brought in to add to a urine sample like Urine-Aid, Urine-Luck, Turboclean, and Klear in the hopes that the donor can pass the test. Laboratories monitor specimens to show if it contains an adulterating substance or if it is a sample that is not consistent with human urine. If these are found, no drug test is conducted it is automatically considered a ?refusal to test.?

But doesn't Quick Fix test as being consistent with human urine?

[comicdude]

Hey smokers!

I am sitting here waiting on the UPS guy to deliver my QF, and after reading this thread I am freaking out.

I decided to use QF after reading all of the success stories, but now I don't know if I should go through with it. Did I just waste $40 on this stuff? Should I just use clean urine from a friend? I don't know what to do.

I'm taking the UA so that I can get my license to be a cab driver here in NYC. The test is done by a place called Lab Tech. Does anyone have any experience subbing a sample with these guys?

Any info would be a big help. I'm a daily smoker. If they tell me that my sample is invalid or something and ask me to retake the test there on the spot, I'm going to be screwed. I'll fail. I'll probably pee straight THC!

All the stuff this guy says about there not being Uric acid in QF and all that has got me second guessing myself on this. Surely QF puts uric acid in their product, right? I mean, they are selling synthetic urine! Isn't Uric acid one of the main components of urine?

Any help from you folks would be much appreciated. I need to get my license.

Thanks!

***UPDATE***

I just spoke with a customer service person from QuickFix, and she told me that the product has every component that is associated with human urine. I told her about this thread and how a guy failed because Uric (sp?) acid wasn't found in his sample, and she repeated that every component of human urine can be found in QF. I'm not saying the dude who failed is lying, but it's possible that the lab flubbed his test.

I'm still freaking out, and would love any relevant info that you guys have, but it does make me feel a little better now.

[comicdude]

In my previous post, I made a mistake. The testing facility is called Lab Corp, not Lab Tech.

Anyone know about this place?

[comicdude]

This just gets worse and worse....

Check out what I found on the site of the lab where I'll be taking my test tomorrow. I guess I wasted money on the QF. Damn.

"Standard urine drug testing panels range from five to 10 drugs. Specimen validity testing is available to detect adulterants or specimen substitution resulting from a donorâ??s attempts to mask drug use. Expanded profiles for medical professional monitoring are also available."

Does this mean I'm F'd, or what?

[Burnt Toast]

This just gets worse and worse....

Check out what I found on the site of the lab where I'll be taking my test tomorrow. I guess I wasted money on the QF. Damn.

"Standard urine drug testing panels range from five to 10 drugs. Specimen validity testing is available to detect adulterants or specimen substitution resulting from a donorâ??s attempts to mask drug use. Expanded profiles for medical professional monitoring are also available."

Does this mean I'm F'd, or what? Youre freaking out over what'll turn out to be nothing at all.

By utilizing the Advanced Search button, keying in on synthetic urine Labcorp, you'll discover that quite a few people had used the QF at Labcorp, and passed with no problems at all. :thumbsup:

[nodeal]

In my previous post, I made a mistake. The testing facility is called Lab Corp, not Lab Tech.

Anyone know about this place?

I just took a drug test at Labcorp yesterday here in new york. They are very noninvasive, and it will be easy to substitute. They were quick to bring me in (because I showed up close to closing time), asked me to empty out my pockets of everything except my wallet, and told me to go into a bathroom and pee in a cup without running any water or flushing the toilet.

Again, minimally invasive, and will be easy to substitute. Also, as Burnt Toast said, many people used QuickFix with success in Labcorp. I'm still awaiting my results...GOOD LUCK!

[comicdude]

Thanks so much for the info, buddies! Free cab ride on me when I get my license!

[nachoochos]

hey guys just got finished checking my quick fix with a one step specimen validity test and as always its good to go. I work at a facility were the company not only does monthly randoms they always send it off for gas test. and me and a couple of my buddies have been subbing with the fix for 3 years. there is only a four day period that names our drawn for random and if you win the lottery its one of those go to medical dept and take a test before they close deals so its pretty cool. i usually half way dillute those 4 days just to be sure, but the nurse always makes us close the door because she is embarrassed, but im sure if you got busted they would supervise you. also we get one freebie where we can come back after we get a clean test but after that if you get busted your gone. i truly believe that they hate having to even do it but company policy makes them drug test us for safety purposes i guess. oh well anyway my batch # on the qf i just tested is f11n-08 and like i said its ready for the hand warmer.remember in life you can take control or you can be controlled. this guy stating that his qf let him down obviosly did not check it out and just went for it wich is not a good idea when your livelihood is at risk test your batch be confident it your specimen!!!

[tign8r]

I just passed my drug UA using QF 5.7, batch number F3A-09.
I posted my "passing" to my other threads but wanted to make sure I updated this one as well since so many of us have been concerned with this post. :hippy:

[comicdude]

I took my test yesterday at Lab Corp in Queens, NY. I used my QF formula 5.7. Not sure of the batch no.

I was really nervous because I really needed to pass, and went in around 4pm. They shut down the place at 4:45.

Before I left my house, I followed the directions exactly. I heated the bottle for 10 seconds, shaking before, and after. I checked the temp and it was at right around 100. I then attached the hand warmer to the bottle with the rubber band and put the whole thing in my crotch between the two pairs of underwear I was wearing.

I was nervous that since it's June, and fairly warm, the combination of using the warmer and crotching the bottle would make the QF too warm. I worried about it the whole ride to Queens on the subway. I smelled something burning on the train at one point, and actually thought for a second 'holy shit, i hope my underwear aren't catching on fire from the handwarmer!' I could just see it on Fox 5 news.

Luckily, I didn't catch my crotch on fire and made it to the testing place. I signed in, had a seat, and within two minutes, the lady called my name. She took me into a side room, gave me a specimen cup and told me to go next door and do my thing. And don't flush.

I went inside and took out my QF. It was off the charts too warm. I poured it into the cup and swirled it around while I blew on it until the temp came down a couple of degrees. When it was around 98, I walked out and handed it right to her.

She checked the box on my form that the temp was acceptable, poured the QF into a smaller vial, had me sign it, put it in a bag, and had me sign that, and then I signed and initialed a sheet, and I was out.

Took less than 10 minutes.

Am I gonna pass? I mean, it's done now, I'm not really stressed since I got the temp in range. But, do you guys think I'm good?

[phattyt007]

You got the temp right so you should be gold. Let us know when you get confirmation though!

[Bigg Cellus]

You are golden-congrats. Just sit back and wait a few days(maybe a little longer over the holiday).

[funkyskunk]

just passed with qf. :pimp:

[Burnt Toast]

I just passed my drug UA using QF 5.7, batch number F3A-09.

Way to go..:thumbsup:
Congrats to you on passing with the QF and welcome to the Sub Club.

[jeffman]

just passed with qf. :pimp:Congrats...:thumbsup: