Democrat or Republican??

[valium10]

I really aint into politics but i do consider myself a democrat. Why is it that the majority of rep. seem anti pot and the dems for the most part are not as much against MMJ?? I just want to be able to have my meds In my state without fear of a small grow. I do suffer chronic pain due to years of bodybuilding as well degenerative disc disease and and many terrible car crashes and motorcycle accidents because of my risk takeing. I hate side effects of pain killers. What are others perspectives on the political aspect of dems vrs rep. on makeing medicinal use an accepted practise. I know it helps me 10 fold by useing cannabis for relief but it allways points to older republicans that hate the idea of medicinal use. I really would like a political perpesctive / view of someone who is more into politics than i am. In my state of NC it seems the dem. are pushing for a legal usage for illneses. Any more versed political person who might shed some light on this dilema and has some solid facts who could enlighten me on this subject, i am all ears????

[killerweed420]

Republicans have gotten terrible in the last 3 decades into wanting to control peoples personal behaviour. They have strayed far from there original platform. Not they are just the party of bigotry. Thats why a lot of us conservatives are moving toward the true conservative party, the libertarians.They understand that this personal shit is none of the governments business.

[gypski]

Independent with no party preference. I only trust and back honest people!! :jointsmile:

[the image reaper]

Independent with no party preference. I only trust and back honest people!! :jointsmile:

find one yet ? ... :D

[gypski]

find one yet ? ... :D

Not more then I could count on one hand and that's still shaky!!! :D

[thedeadone]

I think it is because these old time republicans are trying to keep the religious voters happy. It is a bad idea to mix religion and politics. I consider myself a republican(only because I believe they are the lesser of the two evils) but I am a republican that believes in civil liberties, like the choice to smoke or not smoke marijuana.:stoned::stoned::stoned:

[delusionsofNORMALity]

I consider myself a republican (only because I believe they are the lesser of the two evils).....there was a time when this was true, but that is no longer the case. following the natural course of such political animals and in a rather lame attempt to garner votes amongst the ovine masses, the republican party has followed its democrat counterpart in endorsing the path toward the totalitarian nanny-state. the only difference between the two seems to be that the republicans court the more prudish segments of the herd. both parties have abandoned the constitution and the ideals this country was founded on. while they may at times pay lip service to the conservative concepts of smaller government and the rights of the individual, the republican party is as filled with socialist traitors to the american public as their more blatantly authoritarian opponents.

it is questionable whether the two are opponents at all. with few exceptions, the opposing parties seem to be working in tandem to strip us all of every last vestige of our freedoms. for decades the liberal establishment, including traitors from both sides of the aisle, has led us down the path to the establishment of the welfare state and the destruction of the power of the individual.

[McDanger]

there was a time when this was true, but that is no longer the case. following the natural course of such political animals and in a rather lame attempt to garner votes amongst the ovine masses, the republican party has followed its democrat counterpart in endorsing the path toward the totalitarian nanny-state. the only difference between the two seems to be that the republicans court the more prudish segments of the herd. both parties have abandoned the constitution and the ideals this country was founded on. while they may at times pay lip service to the conservative concepts of smaller government and the rights of the individual, the republican party is as filled with socialist traitors to the american public as their more blatantly authoritarian opponents.

it is questionable whether the two are opponents at all. with few exceptions, the opposing parties seem to be working in tandem to strip us all of every last vestige of our freedoms. for decades the liberal establishment, including traitors from both sides of the aisle, has led us down the path to the establishment of the welfare state and the destruction of the power of the individual.

I must spread som rep around before I can give more to delusionofNORMALity.
Perfectly stated as usual.:thumbsup:

[filo6942]

Yep we are screwed. It is clear as day the new boss IS the old boss.

[JD1stTimer]

Too bad we have to spread our rep so much. :) I don't just throw it around like it's free. :) My reps really mean something. Delusions hit it right on the head. We had a luncheon last week for the company I work for, and the topic turned to politics, and I said something like "I really think the two parties are the same but with different names". It seemed to really shock everyone! There was silence, and then conversation turned to more polite topics. I managed to offend everyone at once!!

Anyway, I usually vote Republican because at least that way I can claim it wasn't my fault, that I got tricked. But I have less respect because at least the Democrats tell you what their plans are instead of making you try to guess, and it's usually pretty much in line with what informed Democrat voters are trying to accomplish. But silly us Republicans, we get bamboozled and most seem to willfully ignore it! The past couple of election cycles though, I have continued to vote R when there are only two candidates, I don't vote in one-candidate races (unless it's a Libertarian or independent), and I vote for a Libertarian or independent when there is one on the ballot. I'm always disappointed with how the Republican primaries turn out, and I notice that my favorite candidates get hosed by the party leadership in favor of the Bushes and McCains, which are the type of Republicans I don't like. But, it's big money business, and the people who have billions at their command know that giving millions to the right people can allow them to cheat the rest of us out of more billions. Buying a congressman is the best investment in the U.S., forget gold and oil!!!

[jeepboi]

Independent with no party preference. I only trust and back honest people!! :jointsmile:

amen! I was a very strong Republican but as both parties are going further and further left i walked right. money religion guns and my pursuit of happiness.

Dont be fooled the democrats are just as bad look at pelosi hell look at oshamba

[jeepboi]

there was a time when this was true, but that is no longer the case. following the natural course of such political animals and in a rather lame attempt to garner votes amongst the ovine masses, the republican party has followed its democrat counterpart in endorsing the path toward the totalitarian nanny-state. the only difference between the two seems to be that the republicans court the more prudish segments of the herd. both parties have abandoned the constitution and the ideals this country was founded on. while they may at times pay lip service to the conservative concepts of smaller government and the rights of the individual, the republican party is as filled with socialist traitors to the american public as their more blatantly authoritarian opponents.

it is questionable whether the two are opponents at all. with few exceptions, the opposing parties seem to be working in tandem to strip us all of every last vestige of our freedoms. for decades the liberal establishment, including traitors from both sides of the aisle, has led us down the path to the establishment of the welfare state and the destruction of the power of the individual.



much better put than me

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Anyway, I usually vote Republican because at least that way I can claim it wasn't my fault, that I got tricked. because you are taken in by the lie of the ballot box, it is still your fault. you knowingly engage in that farce, validating each step these political animals take down the road to our enslavement. it's bad enough that the uninformed sheep waltz merrily into their chains, but the fact that those of us with a clear vision of the treachery of government join in on the charade only adds insult to injury.

[yokinazu]

i used to be a liberal dem, but that was in my early 20's when i was a very active enviromentalist, yes a tree huggin hippie. then i really started getting discusted with the way the left was doing things. many of us were out there trying to save the country but the ones who end up representing us are people like moveon.org. so it dawned on me one day im trying to save our natual forests and wet lands and such. well if i want to do that dont that make me more conservative cause my fight was for consevation of our wild places and animals. im even one of those tree huggers that like hunters. because i understand that they are an important part of the consevation effort. as long as they aint killin off endangered species.

so now im thinkin conservative dem. well low and behold what happens but the dems are now represented by moveon.

so what am i a conservitive republican? seems like technicaly i may be. i beleive in a small goverment, states rights, but i also support the conservation efforts and green energy.

basicaly im just a joe thats trying to get by in life support my daughter and do right by her, my family, my freinds, and our mother earth. so i vote for whoever is goin to stay outa my life and outa my wallet and look ahead into the future with some kinda vision of making the world into a utopia where we are all free as nature intended.

[JD1stTimer]

In the future I will abstain from voting when there are only two parties on the ballot, unless one of them really is a good candidate, like if Ron Paul actually won a primary, lol, which will never ever happen. I just don't enjoy voting on a lesser of two evils principle. Although I don't see how making what you think is a choice for the lesser of two evils actually exacerbates the problem when there literally is no third alternative. The only situation in which a write-in candidate has defeated a candidate named on the ballot as far as I know was when Henry Lodge won the Republican primaries for President in New Jersey, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts. I think Goldwater was one of the names on the ballot. In light of that record it once appeared to me that by voting for a write-in you have simply denied yourself a choice in that election. It is only by seeing the development of our politics over several years that I am coming to realize that being given a choice between our two parties is the same as no choice at all. 2000 was the first Presidential election in which I was eligible to vote. Do you still think I deserve the jab you just threw at me? BTW, when I said I could claim I was tricked I was being sarcastic. I know it's difficult to convey that in writing, but do you think an otherwise intelligent person would literally willingly cheat himself?

Neither party will allow anything to happen which would jeopardize their millions in corporate sponsorships. And it's not the fault of lax campaign finance rules, people have a right to donate money how they see fit. The campaign finance problem needs to be fixed by eliminating the pro quo from the quid pro quo. And maybe if we quit inflating the money supply so much these corporations would be forced to lay off some of the lobbyists in favor of increasing their traditional marketing budgets.

Perhaps if sponsoring bills written by companies which gave you money was prosecuted as bribery? HAHAHA yeah right we live in the Great US of A!!! The flow of money is the entirety of the law! He who has it, has free reign to do anything legal or illegal, and he who doesn't, may his poor soul rot in prison until doomsday. I'm ranting again, damn politics.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Do you still think I deserve the jab you just threw at me? of course i do. i also think we all deserve the blame for allowing the faults within our system to fester and become the basis for our entire government. we have become complacent and deceived ourselves to believe that just because we claim ours is a government "of the people, by the people and for the people" that it is necessarily so. this is the lie of the ballot box. we recognize the fraud of sham elections elsewhere in the world and are even able to point out the faults of our own system as long as it is on the other side of a partisan line, but we seem unwilling to admit that we have set an entire bureaucracy in place whose sole purpose is the destruction of the individual. we hide it behind the mask of false compassion and the lie of fairness, but each day we allow more of our liberties to be stripped away for the sake of the illusions of comfort and security. the lie starts in the voting booth, with the fallacy that the voice of the people has any effect on the political wasteland. we may be able to temporarily forestall our doom by working through this rigged system, but real change for the betterment of the people has never occurred without some form of anarchic revolution.

[Ramulux]

Anyone who cant tell that the democrats and republicans are two sides of the same coin is definitely a little confused. I would say the best thing anyone could do is join the Socialist Party USA. We need a real left wing in this country not just a far right and a center right party. The most important public programs in this country are all socialistic in nature and when people begin to actually understand what socialism is and how everybody could benefit from it we could actually have a country where each individual is not subservient to the state but part of it. The great thing about socialism is that you do not have to fully commit to it. It is very simple to take ideas and concepts from it and implement them into our "supposed" democracy.

It is time for the American people to realize that we do not have to have a government controlled by private interests and corporations. We can work together to create a classless society that does not depend on the ridiculous caste system that our capitalistic way of life has created.

[higher4hockey]

"neither sir, we're canadian"


K+ to whoever can name the movie thats from.

[thedeadone]

It is that thought that is going to finish us off!!!!!! MAY GOD HELP US ALL.
It is hard to believe people like you live in this country- move to China!!!!!
The greatness of this country is based on one principle-you can choose the class you want to be a part of. Man- get a life and a job.:stoned::stoned:

[fdsaasdf]

I'm neither. I am a libertarian all the way. It stands for everything this country was based on and best of all, it's pro-cannabis, baby!

[Ramulux]

"The greatness of this country is based on one principle-you can choose the class you want to be a part of." - thedeadone

That has to be the funniest thing I have read all week. If that wasn't supposed to be a joke, I don't even know what to say.

[yokinazu]

socialism will never work in this country. simply due to the fact that people beleive that if you are educated and have an "important" job you are entitled to more.

i would love to see an election where the american people all just wrote in big fat letters across the ballot NO CONFIDENCE.

[gypski]

Not more then I could count on one hand and that's still shaky!!! :D

Those listed at the link below haven't had a misdomeanor stop them from representing their constituents. And remember the crackhead from DC??? :jointsmile:

THE CRIMINALS IN CONGRESS (http://www.wwco.com/~dda/criminals.php)
AskMe: What percent of Congress have criminal records? (http://www.ontheissues.org/AskMe/spousal_abuse.htm)

* 29 members of Congress have been accused of spousal abuse.


* 7 have been arrested for fraud.


* 19 have been accused of writing bad checks.


* 117 have bankrupted at least two businesses.


* 3 have been arrested for assault.


* 71 have credit reports so bad they can't qualify for a
credit card.


* 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges.


* 8 have been arrested for shoplifting.


* 21 are current defendants in lawsuits.

[Dutch Pimp]

"Everyone has a right to be an idiot. Some people abuse the privilege"-Joseph Stalin

[Mississippi Steve]

My vote is very private and very personal.

I will only say this.... Common sense has been lost in the political community, as well as honesty and integrety.

The democratic party has suckered an awfull lot of people into believing that the government will take care of all their needs, without *ANY* consideration of where the money is going to come from.

The republicans can no longer block the kind of legislation that spends trillions of dollars to throw good money after bad.

FWIW, had I need the one running the show, *NO* bailouts would have occured, and the corporate entities that got themselves into financial trouble because of their bad business practices would have been sent packing. They made their bed, they can sleep in it. There is no such thing as "too big to fail". There is only bad management.

As a small business owner, I can only say that the biggest problems facing the small cities and rural communities are directly related to the price of gasoline and fuel. When the price of gas and fuel go down, money flows, when the price goes up, it stops.

sign me as "Redneck Hippy"

[justanotherbozo]

Republicats, Democans, what's the difference? ...every one of the sons o' bitches
is only in it for themselves.

personally, i consider myself a conservative rather than a liberal.

small government, low taxes, stay the hell out o' my business, that's the kind
of government i want...you know, like the one that was founded in 1776!

[JD1stTimer]

I think the only way to get that back is the same way it was obtained in the first place. And yes, I do intend that exactly the way it sounds.

[McDanger]

My vote is very private and very personal.

I will only say this.... Common sense has been lost in the political community, as well as honesty and integrety.

The democratic party has suckered an awfull lot of people into believing that the government will take care of all their needs, without *ANY* consideration of where the money is going to come from.

The republicans can no longer block the kind of legislation that spends trillions of dollars to throw good money after bad.

FWIW, had I need the one running the show, *NO* bailouts would have occured, and the corporate entities that got themselves into financial trouble because of their bad business practices would have been sent packing. They made their bed, they can sleep in it. There is no such thing as "too big to fail". There is only bad management.

As a small business owner, I can only say that the biggest problems facing the small cities and rural communities are directly related to the price of gasoline and fuel. When the price of gas and fuel go down, money flows, when the price goes up, it stops.

sign me as "Redneck Hippy"
Finally, somebody with the same view that I have held all along.:thumbsup: The price of gas is what caused this whole crisis.:mad: When gas went up, people could not pay their other bills which caused the housing crisis after the gov't forced banks to lend to unqualified slugs.

[boaz]

Here (http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=139184&Number=1199340) is my view on politix. :D I was really, really, really baked at the time, I'm guessing it made sense to me back then. :stoned: :jointsmile:

[boaz]

seriously I tend to vote for the Dems in local and state elections cause they do a pretty decent job for education, etc. although they are gutless when it comes to ending Cannabis prohibition, even for medical use. On the national level I vote Repub because the only alternative here is a Dem and the Dem's on the national level are just bat shit crazy.

I agree with Bozo, I like a small extremely limited gov't. I'm not quite to the point of only recogizing gov't at the county level but I could see myself heading that way. :jointsmile: