HELP!!!!

[Trip06]

gold has been around for 6000 yrs, the dollar bill 38 yrs. The dollar is just a slip saying your owed so much gold from government. As they flood the economy with printing more money with out gold to back it up. You are being robbed by inflation and loosing the amount of gold you could physicaly have in your possesion. There isnt enouf gold for everybody to trade there money in today. So they already fucked us. PROTEST! DEMAND END THE FED!!!! OR WATCH THE QUALITY OF YOUR LIFE SLIP DOWN THE HILL IN THE NEXT 2 YEARS!!! THE BANKSTERS ARE ROBBING US BLIND AND SETTING UP A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT (admited) so they can live lavish off your blood sweat and tears as they ship are quality jobs overseas through internationalism and leave us with maggot jobs like walmarts lowering the quality of our fucking lives takeing our rights away!!! So lets just all live our little lives only caring about xbox and pot and Tv and going out on the weekends. Everybody likes to live like that but we people need to wake up as we the majority of the populace dosnt take a role in how our countrys being run evil is prevailing when good men fail to do anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!THE GREATEST TRICK THE DEVIL EXIST!!!!!!EVER ACCOMPLISHED IS CONVINCING THE WORLD HE DOSNT Exist!! sorry I had to rant and try and create some hype.

[JD1stTimer]

Well, our dollar isn't tied to a gold standard anymore. But inflation needs to be stopped. Inflation is just a way to transfer wealth away from the people who don't have much into the hands of the wealthiest. I have an example.

Simple numbers to make the math easy for me, i'm terrible at math.

You have $100.
The guy that sells you all your food has $1000.

Your food was costing $10/week, and inflation cause your money to lose 33% of it's value. Your food now costs $15/week.

The rich guy also pays more for food. His cost went from $10 to $15.

After one week you have $85 left after paying the food guy $15.

The food guy brought your $15 in, but it cost him $15 for food. So he still has $1000, which is only worth $666.66. Luckily everyone you know also buys all of their food from the guy, so in reality he is raking in tons of cash, but I am not good enough to get that complicated.

Now lets say you also work for the food guy.
Your $85 is only worth $57. You get paid $10 that week, now you have $95 which is worth $63. The food guy now has $990 which is worth $660

Of course, in real life you would probably get a raise, but it will never be enough to cover inflation. Lets say you get a raise of $1, so now you get paid $11, giving you $106, and the food guy has $979. You buy your $15 of groceries, and he buys his $15 of groceries.

Now you have $91 and the food guy has $979. Your money has a value of $60 and the food guy's money has a value of 646.14

There you go, the food seller is coming out better from that deal.

Same scenario without inflation:

You have $100, you spend ten on food. Food guy has $1000, spends ten, takes the ten from your food purchase.
You have $90, food guy has $1000.

Food guy pays you ten, you have $100, food guy has $990.

Next week you get paid ten, you buy ten dollars worth, you have $100, food guy has $980. Good thing he has more customers than he has employees!!

The transfer of wealth from poor people to rich happens because the wage increases don't "catch up" to inflation immediately and you don't get reimbursed retroactively for the early losses, and the wages never fully catch up to the inflation.

This is ridiculously more massive of a wealth redistribution than what welfare could ever even DREAM of being, but yet you will almost never hear Neil Cavuto railing against the Government transferring wealth whenever they increase the amount of money put into the economy, but every time they increase housing assistance or food stamps he blows his lid, calls it socialism. I hope I made this post understandable, and I hope my math works at least in principle. My math skills are the worst ever, for real.

Oh, and there are other things that happen, for example lets say the pinch felt by the worker in the first example causes him to miss a credit card payment. That will incur a fee and also raise his interest rate, which the food guy probably has a finger in that pie also. BTW I'm a free-market capitalist, not a liberal or a Marxist or any of that sort of thing. However, we haven't had a free market in this country for decades, and the neo-cons don't actually support a free market, they just pay lip-service to free market principles.

[Coelho]

THE GREATEST TRICK THE DEVIL EVER ACCOMPLISHED IS CONVINCING THE WORLD HE DOSNT Exist!!

Indeed! I agree completly!
And yet, a large number of very intelligent, logical and rational people believes his lies...

[dejayou30]

Indeed! I agree completly!
And yet, a large number of very intelligent, logical and rational people believes his lies...

The devil is myth, thought up by ancient goat herders that knew no better about the world they lived in. I don't dispute the existence of evil people, actions, etc. but to say a red man with horns and a tail is responsible for evil? That's a stretch.

[killerweed420]

The fiat currency system is definitely flawed. I say we have a currency backed by a true commodity. WEED!!!!

[Kratom]

A decent barter system always works wonders.

[ArgoSG]

The devil is myth, thought up by ancient goat herders that knew no better about the world they lived in. I don't dispute the existence of evil people, actions, etc. but to say a red man with horns and a tail is responsible for evil? That's a stretch.

You bring up an important point, which adds to the argument that to expose the Federal Reserve, which is a privately owned organization that is not regulated, which controls the ability to create money, which is NOT a branch of the government and cannot realistically be held responsible by any higher authority. This alone is a huge problem, and this is why we are in a shithole. We need this message spread, but calling bankers Satanic is not helping, because it prevents people from taking this message seriously and only creates bias.

So yes, please spread the word, this a big concern. Research the topic for yourself.

[Medicaldelivery]

Indeed! I agree completly!
And yet, a large number of very intelligent, logical and rational people believes his lies... Well, I think he failed, cuz most of everyone belies in the Devil.

[bigsmokeringz]

fuck gold i want money, papers the new gold

[greentrich]

Here's the secrets (not really secrets):

Our financial system is a system designed to fail. It is designed that way, intentionally. The paper in your pocket is worthless...a "promise to pay",,,,as soon as you "spend it" you are already in debt.

ArgoSG brought up the problem....the Federal Reserve is a private company, corporation..whatever you want to call it. It has no rules and not regulated. The Reserve was brought about so the U.S could borrow money to pay off the debt it accrued. Here's the problem...it was borrowed with interest (debt) attached: IT WILL NEVER BE PAID BACK. The U.S. is in constant debt. That being said, where's the collateral. When you borrow money (substantial sums), there must be collateral. Guess what the collateral is folks............................................. .....YOU. Yup...you are held accountable for the U.S's debt.

You are a corporation. Birth certificates were mandatory after the depression for the U.S. to hold it's citizens responsible for the countries debt. A little background: the entire U.S. structure is based off Maritime Admiralty Law. The wording is all there: When you are born, a BIRTH certificate is issued by a DOCtor. EVERYTHING in the U.S. is based off these age old laws.

Look at your driver's license, your bills....utility, credit card, etc.... Notice your name is in all capital letters. Why? Because your name is a corporation. If your name is Ellen Smith, there is a corporation named ELLEN SMITH. Now, Ellen Smith is a sovereign being on this rock you call earth, ELLEN SMITH is a corporation. See where they're going with this?

Also, what's the point in this?? Well in response to Trip06's original post, the "banksters" have been robbing citizens blind since the U.S came out of the depression...before that actually. A UNITED STATES CITIZEN'S FREEDOM IS A COMPLETE SHAM!!! You are not free, and the paper in your pocket or the number in your bank account is worthless. Sorry. It's a bad deal I know.

JFK was about to institute silver back into the monetary system so our money would be back by something. Look what happened to him. Oh..he also wanted to legalize cannabis in his second term...look what happened. Point being is the people that are in power and want to set things right...disappear.

This really fucking sucks and gets my blood boiling every time it's brought up because I have done so much (probably too much for my own good) research on this, where things came from and where they are going. There is a new world order coming, like it or not. It has already started in Europe with the Euro. Then will move to the U.S and North America with the North American Union that will introduce the Amero...a combined union of Canada, the U.S., and Mexico. Which will lead to a one world nation. The U.S. president and any European leaders have no control over what's going on. They're window dressing. It's the money leaders, the ones you don't hear about that are calling the shots and will always call the shots. The worst part about this is there is nothing you can do about it. If you dissolve your "corporation", you get nothing...can't buy a house, a car, never have a bank account, etc. You are doomed to a life of being in debt, and under someone's thumb the second you are physically manifested on the little blue rock call Earth.

I myself have taken things into my own hands. I moved to Mars. Yep that's right Mars. It's a little red here, and this post was really written six days ago...and with it being so dry, it's a little difficult to grow. But I'm coping.

HUH?

[smokers]

[quote=greentrich]Here's the secrets (not really secrets):

Our financial system is a system designed to fail. It is designed that way, intentionally. The paper in your pocket is worthless...a "promise to pay",,,,as soon as you "spend it" you are already in debt.

ArgoSG brought up the problem....the Federal Reserve is a private company, corporation..whatever you want to call it. It has no rules and not regulated. The Reserve was brought about so the U.S could borrow money to pay off the debt it accrued. Here's the problem...it was borrowed with interest (debt) attached: IT WILL NEVER BE PAID BACK. The U.S. is in constant debt. That being said, where's the collateral. When you borrow money (substantial sums), there must be collateral. Guess what the collateral is folks............................................. .....YOU. Yup...you are held accountable for the U.S's debt.

You are a corporation. Birth certificates were mandatory after the depression for the U.S. to hold it's citizens responsible for the countries debt. A little background: the entire U.S. structure is based off Maritime Admiralty Law. The wording is all there: When you are born, a BIRTH certificate is issued by a DOCtor. EVERYTHING in the U.S. is based off these age old laws.

Look at your driver's license, your bills....utility, credit card, etc.... Notice your name is in all capital letters. Why? Because your name is a corporation. If your name is Ellen Smith, there is a corporation named ELLEN SMITH. Now, Ellen Smith is a sovereign being on this rock you call earth, ELLEN SMITH is a corporation. See where they're going with this?

Also, what's the point in this?? Well in response to Trip06's original post, the "banksters" have been robbing citizens blind since the U.S came out of the depression...before that actually. A UNITED STATES CITIZEN'S FREEDOM IS A COMPLETE SHAM!!! You are not free, and the paper in your pocket or the number in your bank account is worthless. Sorry. It's a bad deal I know.

JFK was about to institute silver back into the monetary system so our money would be back by something. Look what happened to him. Oh..he also wanted to legalize cannabis in his second term...look what happened. Point being is the people that are in power and want to set things right...disappear.

This really fucking sucks and gets my blood boiling every time it's brought up because I have done so much (probably too much for my own good) research on this, where things came from and where they are going. There is a new world order coming, like it or not. It has already started in Europe with the Euro. Then will move to the U.S and North America with the North American Union that will introduce the Amero...a combined union of Canada, the U.S., and Mexico. Which will lead to a one world nation. The U.S. president and any European leaders have no control over what's going on. They're window dressing. It's the money leaders, the ones you don't hear about that are calling the shots and will always call the shots. The worst part about this is there is nothing you can do about it. If you dissolve your "corporation", you get nothing...can't buy a house, a car, never have a bank account, etc. You are doomed to a life of being in debt, and under someone's thumb the second you are physically manifested on the little blue rock call Earth.

I myself have taken things into my own hands. I moved to Mars. Yep that's right Mars. It's a little red here, and this post was really written six days ago...and with it being so dry, it's a little difficult to grow. But I'm coping.

HUH?
massive conspiricy theorist problem in the united states you people have to realise there is a whole planet of people out there the whole world doesnt
revolve around the USA
lol you people need to get out more seriously
:rastasmoke:

[greentrich]

I wish it was a theory Smokers..I really do. Look some stuff up...it's all true and it's all out there. I KNOW the world doesn't revolve around the U.S. That was part of my point...is it's not just the U.S. It's the WORLD money leaders...the ones that have gold and land...instead of cash that are running the world, not the country leaders.

Please prove me wrong and I will be forever indebted to you. I promise.

[smokers]

then again i could be wrong i watched news there and 2 of britons biggest banks are up 3billion in profit each for first 6 months after both british and irish bailed them out last year and i know my own government are up to their necks in debt and closing down 300 beds in our largest childrens hospital yet some bankers still earn up to 1500euro a day in bonuses
i have to hold my hand up and say sorry for that one my bad
but there is a lot of theorists on this site lol
:rastasmoke:

[greentrich]

There ARE a lot of theories out there, and it is hard to tell a theory from a fact. So I don't blame you Smokers...it all sounds completely too horrible to believe, which is why these issues are probably so easily dismissed.

Please do not dismiss this, everyone on this planet needs to know what the intentions of the world leaders are.

For anyone still in doubt of the future of this planet, give this little 3min Stan Jones video a quick look. It is mainly geared towards the U.S., but Mr. Jones also touches on the ultimate goal of the world leaders and what has already begun:

brave new world - Home (http://beyondbelief.weebly.com/)

It's the second square down, and is scary as hell.
We the people of the WORLD have lost, things are in motion that we cannot stop. Your freedom is gone, your rights are gone.

WE ARE SLAVES

[headshake]

we need to start by getting rid of the FED. what is it, 11 branches worth? before they gave out the $700 billion that was approved by congress they gave out over $800 billion. with that $800 billion they don't have to tell us who they gave it to or what they got in return for it....all without congressional approvoal.

the government gave AIG $85 billion. they got 80% stock in the company. they did this with emergency powers from the great depression. powers that should have been relinquished.

with the $700 billion roughly $250 billion was given to banks. the govt know owns numerous stock in all the banks they gave money too. they also own 60% of GM after the bankruptcy.

the government also too over fannie mae and freddy mac, who are responsible for ~80% of all american mortgages.

when the bailout passed on oct. 2 2008, the down jones closed at 10,482. a week later it was below 9,000.

from 2000 to 2006 more dollars were printed than in the history of the republic.

the original bailout plan called for the buying of bad asstests from financial institutions "right now". once given the authority, the treasury postponed and then scrapped the plan.

the bill actually empowered the treasury "to use up to $700 billion at anyone time to inject capital into financial institutions, to purchase or insure mortgage assets and to purchase any other troubled assests that the treasury or fed deem necessary to promote financial market stability."

so they can use $700B and then sell the toxic assets they got in return and then use up to $700B again, with no explinations.

we are spending about $4 trillion a year and taking in ~$1.5 trillion. so the non-existant middle class will be getting taxed again shortly, although barack promised no new taxes for the middle class.

not to mention this huge push for health care which might be the worst piece of legislation ever intorduced.

if we are gonna be capitalists fine, but when it doesn't work for us we HAVE GOT to let these companies, no matter how big go under. banks included. we don't even need banks. all they are is an intermediary....and make money with your and my money. we can get rid of them all together.

our government put US on the hook for all of this money. too bad most of the economists out there follow the keynesian school of economics....including paul krugman, lord help us. there need to be more austrian school of economics. you guys interested should check it out.

also checkout the book "meltdown" by thomas e. woods jr. mises.org is another good place to get info.

we need to ditch the fiat system and go back to a commodity based money. while we are at it we need to get rid of big government. get the government out of our education system. i'm sure there is plenty more.....

sorry for rambling. this stuff really pisses me off too!

can you say socialism? got to love our government.


keep fighting my good people!


-shake

[Jesse0189]

there is only one solution...a civil uprising...like what happened in venezuala when the US tried to remove chavez from power....we, the american people need to grab our guns and take to the streets...thats the only way...the military wont kill it's own citizens..they will eventually join us...
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

[Jesse0189]

trip06 is a genius...everyone should listen to him..our gov't should never have bailed the banks or the big 3 out...fuck them...our tax money shouldnt be going to bail out these rich assholes who fucked our system up to begin with...

[boaz]

There ARE a lot of theories out there, and it is hard to tell a theory from a fact. So I don't blame you Smokers...it all sounds completely too horrible to believe, which is why these issues are probably so easily dismissed.

Please do not dismiss this, everyone on this planet needs to know what the intentions of the world leaders are.

For anyone still in doubt of the future of this planet, give this little 3min Stan Jones video a quick look. It is mainly geared towards the U.S., but Mr. Jones also touches on the ultimate goal of the world leaders and what has already begun:

brave new world - Home (http://beyondbelief.weebly.com/)

It's the second square down, and is scary as hell.
We the people of the WORLD have lost, things are in motion that we cannot stop. Your freedom is gone, your rights are gone.

WE ARE SLAVES

if you guys want to think of yourselves as "slaves" then knock yourselves out but, please, speak for yourself. as a true believer in Capitalism and its natural use of greed as a positive thing, I say hats off to FNN and Alex Jones. You guys are genious!

I watched the Stan Jones video. I'm sure this guy is a good guy and all but didn't anyone else catch that all this going to happen by the year 2000!!! :eek: been nine years now since this "law was passed and would be put into effect". Do you guys have your national I.D. with its microwave robot comb or whatever it was. do we have an Amero currency, yet? i just don't see anything particularly sinister about superhighways from Mexico to Canada. it is just economies of scale to help bring down costs. it should bring down the price of brick weed. :stoned: j/k

I agree it really sucks for the countries in Europe to have a new centralized authority that can trump the rights of their country, but I have confidence that the Europeans will work it out, or go to war with each other. :D One way or another, they will work it all out. But, it makes sense for them to have one currency over there, has anyone ever been to Europe? As an American its kinda fun at first changing in your currency at every border to the money changers :jointsmile: but I'm sure its kind of a pain in the ass to the people who live there and travel a lot. I just don't see it as some big scary conspiracy or a brave new world or anything.

to truth is, the way i see it, you sign up for a form of slavery called usury anytime you borrow money with interest. so just don't borrow money or pay it back quickly. you sign up for participation in the private federal reserve system the day you sign up for your Social Security Card and open a bank account. If you don't sign up for a ssn card, or ever open a bank account, then you don't have be a participant in the federal reserve "slavery". or you can opt out later but i won't go into that. ;) the truth is i know people who never signed up for a ssn card and have never paid a dime in taxes and could never be held accountable for any of the debt of the private federal reserve.

your freedom is ultimately really up to you.

but the reality is only a small hand full of the rich pay the vast majority of the federal income taxes, anyway.

me, i'm not rich but i pay taxes, have mortgages, car payments, credit cards, mutual funds, etc. i enjoy the full gamet of my capitalist "slavery". :rastasmoke:

[boaz]

The fiat currency system is definitely flawed. I say we have a currency backed by a true commodity. WEED!!!!

i absolutely agree!! :smokin: Its a New Weed Order of the Ages :jointsmile:

[boaz]

... THE GREATEST TRICK THE DEVIL EXIST!!!!!!EVER ACCOMPLISHED IS CONVINCING THE WORLD HE DOSNT Exist!! ...

say trip06 i just gots to know . . :rastasmoke: is Trip06 short for Triple 6 :eek: :stoned:

[jonnychimpo]

posted by greentrich: JFK was about to institute silver back into the monetary system so our money would be back by something. Look what happened to him. Oh..he also wanted to legalize cannabis in his second term...look what happened. Point being is the people that are in power and want to set things right...disappear.

this as an american myself completely agree with. this country is now ran by healthcare and a goverment who dont give to shits about its citizens just themselves after jfk this country when down the shitter and now it has been flushed by obama taking office. With america begining to fall the chances of war is inebitable because we all know obama cant handle his shit without fear of him knowing he just fucked all of us into this recession and i for one will not fight for this country and what it stands for

[headshake]

if you guys want to think of yourselves as "slaves" then knock yourselves out but, please, speak for yourself. as a true believer in Capitalism and its natural use of greed as a positive thing, I say hats off to FNN and Alex Jones. You guys are genious!

me, i'm not rich but i pay taxes, have mortgages, car payments, credit cards, mutual funds, etc. i enjoy the full gamet of my capitalist "slavery". :rastasmoke:

if you are a true beliver in capitalism then how come we don't let these businesses that deserve to fail fail?

why do we let them act in reckless manners and expect to be bailed out with tax dollars?

if we are going to be capitalists fine, but we have to let business fail in order to push innovation and better methods and practices.

it doesn't bother you that the government uses your money to make money?


-shake

[boaz]

if you are a true beliver in capitalism then how come we don't let these businesses that deserve to fail fail?

why do we let them act in reckless manners and expect to be bailed out with tax dollars?



because i'm not running the gov't. :jointsmile:





if we are going to be capitalists fine, but we have to let business fail in order to push innovation and better methods and practices.

it doesn't bother you that the government uses your money to make money?


-shake


i agree with you, shake. in fact, my idea for a stimulus (short of doing nothing and letting it recover naturally) was to give all the cash (or tax refunds) to the consumers, i think that is about $7K per man, woman and child (assuming about $2 Trillion in spending or tax cuts) and let the consumers drive the recovery (e.g., let the good companies be revived and the crappy companies go down in flames, as they should). but, like i said, i'm not running the country so that is why they are doing all this other commie crap that they are doing.

but here is my thought, they say we've only spent a fraction of the trillions that they have allocated and the economy is starting to pick up already. maybe we can shit can the rest of the spending and the let the ecomony slowly build back naturally. that might be a nice change of pace. the reason the ecomomy tanked in the first place was because the excessive meddling of the feds and the federal gov't. :twocents:

[headshake]

i agree with what you are saying boaz! we need more people like you in the govt though. i am only now starting to foray into politics and the economy.

i always appreciate a good conversation though. it's room for improvement as well as a means to collect information, ya know?

for what it's worth i think the econmy will go back down before it goes back up. maybe not if the Fed can keep it's dirty little hands out. i won't hold my breath on that though!

maybe we should start by getting rid of the legal tender act and go back to a commodity-based currency. get rid of this fiat crap.


-shake

[boaz]

thank shake. good luck in politix. i would vote for you if i live down there just based on some of your excellent growing advice! :greenthumb: i never have thought about being in politics myself, but it might be interesting to give it a try. kinda take the bull right by the horns. :jointsmile:

some might argue that we already are running the world thru the internets. i say were not quite there yet but give us time. :smokin: