4th atempt and failed again-seedlings

[californiaorang]

every grow i have attempted has failed around day 10. the first 3 attemps i figured out myself, heat stress, over wattering ect.

this grow was done very carefully and specific.

i used party cups with holes cut at the bottom. i left plastic wrap on them untill they touched it, i waterd them very sparingly every 2nd day (checkinng the soil for moisture one inch down)

with this grow it is posible that i did not have enough drainage on the cups,

i think this because when i transplanted them into 2 liter cut bottles the roots were all at the bottom and the soil was slightly damp, i dont think it was so wet that it would cause root dampage though, i am not sure.

i transplanted them last night, on the sick ones i placed back on the 2 liters top to maintain higher humidity. on the healthy ones i did not.

this morning i come to my plants and the healthy ones are startingn to either turn yellow and curl under, or dry out and curl up. what the heck am i doing wrong!!!!!!!!


4 CFL 6000k @ 23w each
soil : very mild soil 1.0-.05-.07
water is ph adjusted
temps 85-76 (never above 85)
humidity 45% naturaly
growing in closet

[dejayou30]

Looks like fert burn to me, my guess is from the pre-fertilized soil, but I'd let a soil grower confirm that before you take my word on it.

[californiaorang]

sta-green all purpose with fert. fert listed in picture below

[headshake]

so you put them into soil that already had nutes and then fed them some more?

what is your pH?

also, you need to keep your soild to within an inch of the top of your container as air can stagnate down around your stem.


-shake

[californiaorang]

so you put them into soil that already had nutes and then fed them some more?

what is your pH?

also, you need to keep your soild to within an inch of the top of your container as air can stagnate down around your stem.


-shake

my ph is about 6.5 i use a ph test kit. i use bottled water with a hole drilled into the top for watering.

the cups are no longer being used and i do have the soil with in an inch of the top of the container on the 2 liter bottles.

i did not feed them more nutes other then the very small amount of superthrive i used to hydrate the soil prior to planting seeds. it was 1/4 the recomended dose. i have not used ferts since then.

i believe i will be going out and buying some peat moss perlite soil today, i have seeds i just started soaking today. and i have hesi starter kit for soil that should arive today.

its specialy formulated to be low dose and work perfectly with this type of plant. it has a chart for mixing by weekly basis for seeds and clones.

[WeayLay]

What I did to my grow is to buy Miracle Grow Seedling/potting soil. No Nutes yet. Bottle water works fine, but the leaves look like nute burn. Try to just let the seedlings grow on their own.

[californiaorang]

What I did to my grow is to buy Miracle Grow Seedling/potting soil. No Nutes yet. Bottle water works fine, but the leaves look like nute burn. Try to just let the seedlings grow on their own.

i heard mirical grow has problems with nute burn. i read the backs of all the soils i had to choose from and i found this one to be the lowest thats why i bought it.

since i re-potted i believe the roots wont be having an issue, that is if they survive. but idk, it very well might be the soil causing the problems.

what does any one else think? :(

[headshake]

i use miracle grow soil and don't have any problems. depending on the strain this could vary.

are you keeping the lights within 1-4"?

fill out the troubleshooting form (in my sig) and you might get more responses.


-shake

[californiaorang]

i use miracle grow soil and don't have any problems. depending on the strain this could vary.

are you keeping the lights within 1-4"?

fill out the troubleshooting form (in my sig) and you might get more responses.


-shake

if i keep the lights 1 inch my temps go up. so i keep them 3 inches to 4 inches. i dont think the lights would cause this issue.

i went to home depo and read the backs of almost every miracle grow there and my soil has LESS then any of them there. n is the same but p k is lower then all of them.

iplan on using hesi starter kit for soil. a complete nute plan with charts on weekly basis, i dont think anything with nutes in it will be good for my grow at this point. i am so confused


i have spent over 400$ on EVERYTHING i have bought including nutes, cloner, panda plastic, fans, lights, light fixtures, pots, soil.

btw. the lil form ya'll made is really confusing with all the letters, i dont get it.

[californiaorang]

E-indoor or outdoor indoor
E-soil, soilless, coco, aero, or hydroponic soil

CSL-Soil type/brand sta-green

SCL-Anything you have added to the soil super thrive 1/4 strenth prior to placing seeds in soil

SCLR-Soil or slab runoff pH about 6.5
E-Water source bottled water
E-Source water pH about 6.5

E-Age of plant 10 days
E-Type of fertilizer .10-.08-.06 in soil

E-Lighting source and distance from plant 23w CFL 6000k x4 @ 2-4 inches
E-Air temperature (both day and night if you are running a dark period) 77 night 85 day with ac running in house all day @ 75

E-Air % Relative humidity 45% ambient 75% inside dome
E-Lighting schedule 24/7
E-Type of ventilation your room has closet with 4 fans
TR-Did you pre-soak your media in pH corrected solution? YES

[californiaorang]

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/1134nute-burn1.jpg

found this in the plant abuse chart. an actual same age plant with same problem. ya'll are right.. grasscity forum says its lack of humidity, but you on this site are right. :hippy::thumbsup:

now i just need to know ...........

can i use coconut husk substrate as medium for next grow up to 2 weeks . or can i use it for whole growing prosses or until i need to re-pot? i am going to be using hesi for soil complete nute by weekly basis

[the image reaper]

ditch the saranwrap ... it's holding in moisture, and probably propagating Pythium Wilt (damp-off) ... you don't need a humidity dome for seeds, never used one in my life, and never saw Mother Nature do it that way, either :D ... good luck :thumbsup:

[californiaorang]

ditch the saranwrap ... it's holding in moisture, and probably propagating Pythium Wilt (damp-off) ... you don't need a humidity dome for seeds, never used one in my life, and never saw Mother Nature do it that way, either :D ... good luck :thumbsup:

i did that because some one on grasscity said my humidity was to low. 45% isnt to low, i read a detailed care sheet , 40-60% is ideal.
i already ditched the domes after i read that. i flushed the soil on all but 2 of the plants. i dont want to loose my mutan :( that thing has 3 main stems already.

nute burn sucks. tomarrow i am going around in search for foxfarm happy frog soil.

i got my hesi starter kit for soil in today. it has its own nute plan that starts out with vits for the first few weeks then introduces vits for each stage of growth. its got a low/mild mix and a very good chart on a weekly basis. i belive its ment for pot growing as it says "reduce by half if using on mother plant"
:) its perfectly formulated to all work togehter, 5 bottles. good for up to 500 liters of water!!!!