cloning machine question

[avon211]

I made my own cloning machine out of a 5 gallon bucket. I used pvc pipe and have 4 misters coming off the pvc pipe which is connected to a submersable pump. It sprays a fine mist up to the top of the bucket. My question is how long do I mist for? My hydro dealer told me 1 minute on 4 minutes off. Where do i find such a timer? He told me his timer is $80 I feel that is way too much.Please help!!!

[filo6942]

home depot. $10

[avon211]

I have timers but not ones that do 1 minute on 4 minutes off. 15 minutes are the only increments allowed

[socialistpete]

they run about $60 to $100

[headshake]

you mine as well build a bubble cloner and save yourself some money as well as have more cloning spots!

you can probably pull one together for $20-30. with a timer.


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[macnasty]

your hydro man is not your friend. whether you go 1 min on 4 min off OR go 4 min on and 0 min off won't make a difference. meaning you don't need a timer.

i recommend using a heat pad under your tub if you feel your reservoir is not warm. you'll notice a significant difference in the amount of time it takes to root with warm water as opposed to cool/cold water. additionally, if your reservoir is warm, the humidity will be higher as well, and you will be able to get away with a 1 hour on, 14 min off cycle, which means u can use a timer from home depot for $10.

i run my pin sprayers 24 hours and it works excellently.

[tinytoon]

If you do end up needing a timer that can be set to lower than 15 min then get a digital timer, they can be set down to the min but can only be programed for so many times in a day.

[avon211]

thanks macnasty I see no harm in running my misters untimed. So I shall be successful with misters on 24hrs?

[SpaceNeedle]

I agree with mcnasty. In fact I wouldn't even worry about the temp of the water being too cold. The motor of thesubmersible pump you have down there will give off enough heat to make the water just right temp wise.

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[avon211]

1 hour after I cut my clone it started drooping.Why? I am using misters in 5gal bucket. I used Olivias 30ml per gallon of ph 6.0 water. What is going on?will I root?:cool:

[Daddynobucks]

I use the ART-2 and 3 timers

ART- 2 Adjustable Recycle Timer - 120V [CAP-ART2] - $99.95 :: West Coast Hydroponics - Superb Products (http://www.westcoasthydro.net/cart/art-2-adjustable-recycle-timer-120v-p-54.html)

saving money on hydro equip. will probably cost you in the end. cheap stuff doesn't last, and this is a process where you need dependable equip, with low failure rates

[Daddynobucks]

actually I have the ART2 and an ART-Dne, which has more features

Adjustable Recycle Timer ART-DNe,hydroponic timers (http://www.truevisionhydroponics.com/Art_2_and_Art_3_Recycle_Timer_p/tva521.htm)

[LOC NAR on probation]

1 hour after I cut my clone it started drooping.Why? I am using misters in 5gal bucket. I used Olivias 30ml per gallon of ph 6.0 water. What is going on?will I root?:cool:

Give it time. It should perk up.

[avon211]

Ok thanks Bro

[Divestoned]

My cloner run's 24-7,there's no reason to have it shut off.The nature of an aero rooter is that it create's air and water all the time. Let it run 24-7.

Dive:stoned:

[macnasty]

two reasons for drooping:

1)TOO MANY NODES. next time, have less. one node on each side is good, sometimes you can get away with an additional. keep it simple at first.

2) NOT ENOUGH HUMIDITY. i hope your cover is covering your cloner 100%. not 99, but 100.

[Divestoned]

You can get a rooting hormone also,it's a gel or liquid or powder you dip your clone's in.Another thing that will prevent "drooping" is a stuff called "anti-wilt".

Dive:stoned:

[avon211]

Divestoned~how is my best buddy doing? Yes I am using Olivias liquid 30ml per gal But I am not using a dome. I heard that helps the wilting process. Ok I will do the 24/7 misters with a air stone in the juice. But what about the dome? I only have one that is about 4 inches high with two air holes cut out.

[Divestoned]

Dome's are usually for rockwool,we dont use one on the aero-rooter.I dont mix any rooting stuff in my water,I use a gel,you dip clone once and then place in rooter. I run the nute's at 600 ppm.If your getting good action from your sprayer's then you dont need an air stone,the water splashing will aerate it just fine.

Dive:stoned:

[macnasty]

many people also use domes for bubble cloners, i included, and the same should, in theory, hold for aero's. dive's the more authoritative voice here of course, but from my own experience the plants droop heavily without a dome, and perk up within an hour with a dome. when i begin to c root growth i take it off. you can expect a near 100% success rate this way.

[Divestoned]

Thank's for the compliment mac.
The reason i wouldn't use the dome is humidity,It would get very moist in there and encourage mold's and fungae.I have clone's with and without root's in mine,it's making clones 24-7-365,also the clone's get to big to fast so you can really only use the dome for the first week anyway,and only if none of your clones are rooted...
This is just my opinion ...and may not work for everyone.

Dive:stoned:

[avon211]

I agree with macnasty Divestoned knows his shit. I am new at this and he has answered my questions well on other threads. I was told from my hydro shop to use 30ml of Olivais cloning liquid per gallon . Dive your telling me no need for this? What nutes are you using Dive? I keep my ph at 5.5-6.1

[Divestoned]

I use General Hydroponic's 3 part,at 600 ppm 5.8 ph,70 degree water,And root-tech rooting Gel.The main thing about an aero set-up is to keep the pump clean,and make sure you have max spray hitting the stalk's/root's.I have like 20 spray head's in my cloner now,it work's great.When everything is running smooth I have root's in 3-5 day's,And could prolly run a whole grow using JUST the cloner...

Dive:stoned:

[avon211]

Dive thanks for the photo I love that setup. I am sorry I am lost when it comes to ppm I also use the 3 part GH nutes I just follow the charts given. I do not check my ppm only my ph. My hydro store tells me just follow the chart and don't worry about ppm top off with ph water when levels drop. My plants look great-thick stalks and very bushy I am sexing to see what I have. 2nd day with my clones and looking great right now. Failed twice so far. I think I got it now though. Thanks for the help. I have them under a dome and backed of my fluorescent lighting a bit to about 6". Misters and air stone going 24/7 with my Olivias solution ph 5.5-6.0. No wilting and very perky. I need this to be successful this time around- I need some bud soon.

[Daddynobucks]

after seeing Dives aero-cloner up close and personal. He convinced me to build one in a bucket.and I think it is going to work SUPER.
check out the spray pattern coverage, iffen this don't root em nothing will
still need the holes in the bucket lid,

[headshake]

nice cloner nobucks! and your big brother to it is super nice too dive, as always!

nobucks, what is that in the bucket? is that rubber tubing? and where can you pick up those nozzles at?


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[Divestoned]

THAT is fantastic roy,it's exactly what I was trying to explain. now choose your gromet size..decide how many fit on the lid..and your good to go.Good work man.With a bigger neoprene gromet you can actually grow a plant in it...
So how soon can we begin to sell them to the public?
Dive:stoned:

[Daddynobucks]

the ring inside the bucket is 1/2"poly from slowes,it is raindrip brand,they have two thicknesses this is the thick about 0.095 wall,since the spray emitters are screwed in I use the thick
basicilly this is the same setup I use for growing in,only the grow bucket just have 4 emitters.
the red emitters are 360 degree,that came with an early pipe aero system I bought,my first venture into hydro.
I have not been able to find any exactly like them,and I have been looking
like yesterday Dive:bigsmoke:

[headshake]

thanks for the info nobucks! i'm sure i can find them online, i was just being lazy.


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[Daddynobucks]

If you find the red ones let me know where, please
the red ones have a flat surface the jet hits before fanning out, all of the others I have found do not,, and make a fan shaped cone instead of a flat spray.
The blue one is a 180 degree

now my one concern is over heating the solution by running the pump 24/7 as its a eco 185gph and might get warm,so if it does can I run it intermitantly?? 1 min on/5 min off

[headshake]

yeah, i've heard a lot of people that run there pumps intermittenly. you shouldn't have any problems.

will do if i find the nozzles.


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[headshake]

hey nobucks, is it something like this?

and if so you can find them here (http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=52999).

they also have the 180 degree as well as 330 degree.

hope this helps.


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[Daddynobucks]

no unfortunatly not,if you look close at the top inside you will see the cone shape the jet hits,no makey flat spray:(

[Divestoned]

There's enough reducer's inline that you can get away with a smaller pump,I wouldn't want the water temp in cloner to be much over 75 mine run's at 70,as for running the pump intermittently...I never tried it,but hell maybe it work's better than full time,give it a try.

Dive:stoned:

[Daddynobucks]

ya I'll pick up a smaller pump today,I just thru this together with what stuff I had on hand, told you I had been spearmenting ha ha

[headshake]

my bad nobucks, i totally missed that flat/cone spray part. i guess that's what happens when you browse the forums too much.

still looking.


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[avon211]

Love it Daddynobucks! Thanks for the great photo. Part description would also help. Is that a rubber hosing? What kind of connector are you using? Obvisiously the misters and pump are self explanatory. What does your cloning juice consist of? :thumbsup:

[headshake]

Love it Daddynobucks! Thanks for the great photo. Part description would also help. Is that a rubber hosing? What kind of connector are you using? Obvisiously the misters and pump are self explanatory. What does your cloning juice consist of? :thumbsup:

read the posts! you did start this thread right?


the ring inside the bucket is 1/2"poly from slowes,it is raindrip brand,they have two thicknesses this is the thick about 0.095 wall,since the spray emitters are screwed in I use the thick
basicilly this is the same setup I use for growing in,only the grow bucket just have 4 emitters.
the red emitters are 360 degree,that came with an early pipe aero system I bought,my first venture into hydro.

i'm not trying to be a dick but you started this thread and then don't bother to read it. what's the point? you mine as well go build a cloner blind and with the wrong parts.


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[avon211]

Sorry Bro forgot to look on page 2 my anwers are there. I love how you call it Slowes instead of Lowes. Had me laughing a bit! Again my goof up thanks for the great info and photos:cool: No you are not being a dickhead I was being a idiot by not going to the next page. I do not want to build one blindly your help is greatly appeciated.