My first attempt

[keagal420]

Hello viewers, I want to start by saying this is my first attempt and going all the way with it. I have started many other times before but got bugged out and removed them from the house or the yard.

I am working with a 400 Watts HPS, carbon filter, and hey are in a closet
I have 5 plants and the sex is unknown. I have them in a mixture of soil that i borrowed from a site somewere (amazing what you can find when you GooGle)
I am in about week 5 and seems to be going well. I did however rescently nuke 2 of em. But they seem ok atm. Here are a few pictures included along with this entry. Any suggestions or comments is much appreciated :)

[Dutch Pimp]

I usually veg for 30 days, then switch to 12/12....watch for the sex to show...transplant to a larger pot....then harvest, when ready...:thumbsup:

Good Luck...keagal420....:pimp:

[phatsesh101]

looks alright but i was wonderin bout the yellow one if it was 2 in the same pot or a branch, also the one next to it looks like some canoeing going on,

you want to fill out the form just in case?

[keagal420]

thanks for the replies... yes the one in the middle has 2 in it... what happened was that i put one in it and forgot i did lol. so i figured i would leave it incase one was a male then i would cut the male out :) about the one on the left... i have no idea what a canoe is im sorry.. if you would please enlighten me that would be awesome! thanks again... oh ps do you think i should start flowering now? are they gonna get bigger during flowering?

thanks again:D

[Italiano715]

thanks for the replies... yes the one in the middle has 2 in it... what happened was that i put one in it and forgot i did lol. so i figured i would leave it incase one was a male then i would cut the male out :) about the one on the left... i have no idea what a canoe is im sorry.. if you would please enlighten me that would be awesome! thanks again... oh ps do you think i should start flowering now? are they gonna get bigger during flowering?

thanks again:D

Having two plants together is going to make them compete for grow space so they more than likely will entangle each other. That's not good, may need to transplant them into separate pots.

Canoeing is when your fan leave fingers curl in like a canoe....Hence the name "Canoe"ing :D

Also, yes they will get two to three times the size in flower. They will experience a stretch for 40% of the time splent flowering then the other 60% of the time fattening up in between the bud sites.

On another note, you should probably invest in a pocket microscope (radioshack $12-$13) and check the trichomes when it comes near harvest time, BUT that's another conversation later down the road of this grow! :D

[keagal420]

Thank you Italiano715 for clearifing canoeing :) i have noticed that is the only one doing that... i dont know how to fix it... i flushed it thinking it was the neuts ...nothing so i just cut the food to half the strength still no change...i kindof givin up on the damn thing lol... I have invested in the magnifing thingy lol... One other thing, About the 2 plants in 1 pot thing. I am not sure which one to cut out? I can transplant due to how close they are together. I will need to cut one down just not sure which one i will do that with... The taller one i was thinking has a greater chance of showing its nuts lol But i would hate to cut such a pretty plant and find out later that the midget is male. Then i would constantly be thinking that the tall one could be the girl i let get away :)

[Italiano715]

. One other thing, About the 2 plants in 1 pot thing. I am not sure which one to cut out? I can transplant due to how close they are together. I will need to cut one down just not sure which one i will do that with...

Take a cutting and flower the cutting from each plant and that will tell you which one is female :-D They may both be, you never know.

[phatsesh101]

if the canoeing is isolated i wouldnt worry much just keep an eye out

as for the 2 plants it looks as if theyre competeing for nutes and one is losing but both will still come out with scares

[keagal420]

ok well i think im gonna cut the one that is turning yellow then...thanks for the advice. about the canoeing thing what could it be that is causing this? thank you for all your input! i feel more and more confident when i read the info that you all are offering me :)

[keagal420]

i cant do it. i ant cut one down without knowing the sex of the other... so with tht said im gonna leave it in the same pot... it doesn't really matter. I have started 12 more and should start seeing there tops sometime soon. I will keep oyu all posted and appreciate all your comments and suggestions. see you all in a few days :)

[keagal420]

ok so i had a friend come by for some advice and found that the plant in hte top right corner was a male so i am kindof bumm'd out. the plant that i thought was a female.... had the prettiest node areas forming :( very sad... so know that leaves me with one less plant... i do have one question... seeing i need to get the plant tht is in a pot with another plant out.... how do i do that with the plants being about 4 inchs apart... i know if i mess with the roots then it can go into shock and possibly die... any suggestions or should i just get a much bigger pot and place them both in there and hope they will fill the space instead of getting tangled roots? I am sorry if i am typing shit-tons in this form but this is quite enjoyable growing my fav plant, learning, and sharing knowledge and this experience :)

[justanotherbozo]

high bro, good to see another new grower learnin' his chops.

i'd suggest you not chop the one your buddy said was a 'male' as 5 weeks from
seed is awful early to display sex.

also, the canoeing could be due to a ph issue so check your ph, it should be
somewhere between 6 and 7, any lower and it's too acidic, any higher and
it's to alkaline.

btw, those two in the same pot, one way to separate them would be to take
cuttings from them and pot the rooted cuts into separate pots.

you could also just repot them if they are big enough, just be gentle with the roots,
and you don't have to be manic about it, they can take more abuse than you'd think.

to illustrate what roots can take, here are a couple of pics of one i re-vegged
after i harvested it, note the bread knive i used to chop the rootball down to
size. (btw, this plant recovered very nicely and continues to supply me with a
steady supply of cuttings)

[keagal420]

thanks for the reply... just want to clear something up ...if my spelling or typing seems to be missing a letter its due to this damn laptop not keeping up with my typing lol but about the plants i will be transfering later today when company gets the hell out of my house... im gonna use your steak knife idea! i am hoping i dont fuck this one up lol but im confident enough to do it so :) well its early as balls for me to be awake on my day off...and i smell the beautiful smell of coffee... i will return later in the day and thank you for the posts:)

[justanotherbozo]

you're welcome and keep in mind that every grow is practice for the next grow
so, if things don't go as planned, it isn't a failure, it's a learning experience.

lol, i've killed many plants on my struggle up the learning curve.

[Dutch Pimp]

you're welcome and keep in mind that every grow is practice for the next grow
so, if things don't go as planned, it isn't a failure, it's a learning experience.

lol, i've killed many plants on my struggle up the learning curve.

bozo's killed more plants than Agent Orange...but, he's got it straight now!..and I've got his back covered...:thumbsup:

[justanotherbozo]

bozo's killed more plants than Agent Orange...but, he's got it straight now!..and I've got his back covered...:thumbsup:

thanks bro, you're one o' the guy's i really respect around here!


:joint1:

[keagal420]

Sweet thanks ! I appreciate all posts... I will keep you all up-to-date as to my plants... I did take a cutting on a plant and have started to do the cloning process to see if its male or female... but i will be suprised it the cutting lives. from what i have read it seems to be a very strict process with temp, water,:D and humidity. we will see and i will let you all know:)

[justanotherbozo]

Sweet thanks ! I appreciate all posts... I will keep you all up-to-date as to my plants... I did take a cutting on a plant and have started to do the cloning process to see if its male or female... but i will be suprised it the cutting lives. from what i have read it seems to be a very strict process with temp, water,:D and humidity. we will see and i will let you all know:)

lol, while it is true that cloning can be very tricky, some strains are a real bitch,
it can also be quite easy. you'd be surprised how many cuts would root if you
just stuck them in a glass of water on the window sill.

[keagal420]

Ok i have been afk for some time now but here is the update....
I started flowering 3 days ago from today and have remved one male.... haven't been able to tell the sex from the others quite yet ....hopefully they are females >:) I still have not figured out to as why the hell one plants leaves are canoeing... must be a retarded plant! I have done everything from flushing it thinking it was a nitrogen problem to totally changing the temp in the room...still no changes. here are some pics of my plants at the moment...

[headshake]

Also, yes they will get two to three times the size in flower. They will experience a stretch for 40% of the time splent flowering then the other 60% of the time fattening up in between the bud sites.


like italiano said, they stretch the first 40% in flower and then fatten up the last 60%. (my bad italiano, i almost tried to correct you, whoops!)

keagal, you need to get a way to check your pH. you can get a freshwater aquarium test kit for around $7 at your local pet store. you will also probably need either some pH up or down. this is around $3.

the pH for your plants in soil should be between 6.3 and 6.8. (6-7 is acceptable like bozo said).

your plants look very nice by the way, minus the few problems.


-shake

[perpetr8r]

I'm no expert, by any means, but i did have the same problem with my plant
(canoeing) and after much research and input from locals.. I flushed with ph corrected water and all was well.

just me buttin in ;)


^^ That person speaks the truth.

[phatsesh101]

just a confirmation of shakes

[keagal420]

thank you for all the replie. I do have a ph tester and i keep my ph at 6.0 -6.8 (judging by the color ) I guess i will flush it once more to see if it corrects the problem but if it does not correct its self then will this affect my yeild any? also when i am flowering (now) what is a good nutes build? Right now i am as broke as Nancy Caragens leg so i may have to resort to the ole home depot or lowes stores :) any suggestions?

[perpetr8r]

I would let them dry out a bit before you do anything.. not seeing alot of perlite in your soil. They look a little over watered but not too bad. Give them a rest, let the soil dry out a bit and then maybe start with a 1/4 strength bloom feeding. I'm on my first grow and learning alot, I use a full fox farm nute regiment and am having good luck so far but i cant say what the BEST nutes are. You are doing great! :rastasmoke:

[phatsesh101]

if your ph is fine And your new growth looksgood i wouldnt worry about it.

not alaska fish emulsion but the same company has abloom nute called more bloom that is fairly inexpensive and would work 0-10-10 for like 5 dollars i would use for my outdoor plants when i was like 18,

it was so easy back then just stress ans chronic, not to many strains, ww was popular and good lol :thumbsup:

[keagal420]

ok so i scrapped fumndacheese from under my nuts and bought some real nutes... general hydropnics flora,bloom, and grow...my question is im using it in a five gallon resivor...the container says 2 tsp and 3 tsp for 1 gallon so i just multiply all that times 5 correct? i just really dont want to nuke my plants they have grown SOOOO much! and im only a couple weeks into my flowering stage.... any help would be great thanks

[Italiano715]

ok so i scrapped fumndacheese from under my nuts and bought some real nutes... general hydropnics flora,bloom, and grow...my question is im using it in a five gallon resivor...the container says 2 tsp and 3 tsp for 1 gallon so i just multiply all that times 5 correct? i just really dont want to nuke my plants they have grown SOOOO much! and im only a couple weeks into my flowering stage.... any help would be great thanks


I'm not sure about hydro, but from what I understand you do not want to give your plants full dosage all at once. Needs to be introduced slowly. Maybe go with just a 1/4 to 1/2 strength the normal dosage. But again, I'm not hydro expert. :jointsmile:

[keagal420]

ok so here it is ... i will post pics later in the week but out of 5 plants... 4 are females for 100% sure! My only problem is the damn white flies eating at my leaves!! i have been spaying them but i am having no luck... anyone have advice that will deff. kill these so depressing lil fuckers?

[Dutch Pimp]

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[keagal420]

ok so here are a few pics like i promised...i removed 2 plants because the damn fan leaves were turning brown and dieing...the only thing really left was the damn stem so i got tired of trying to make those fuckers happy... so i am now down to three... the one on the far right in pic one is doing AMAZING! I am really loving the smell and look of this beautiful plant. the others are ok i guess...not much to them tho. the plants are not really growing like the other is. I am not to happy with them lol. the one on the far left is weird...i believe i have a retarded plant if such thing... it has 9 leaves...9 (nine) but i cant seem to keep the edges of the leaves from browning and drying out and its not budding like the others are.... I did cut the nuets in half on that one tho. so maybe i will see some improvement. PLEASE if you see anything i maybe doing wrong let me know :) and as always thank you for the replies :)

[JD1stTimer]

Looking nice! Don't underestimate your ability to make clones. And it's not really all critically complicated. Hell, I use some harsh-ass tap water, (pH well above 8, general and carbonate hardness through the roof) whatever temp comes from the tap, jiffy pellets which are according to some people too acidic and out of 12 cuttings I have lost exactly one. I use time-release miracle grow soil, insufficient lighting, excessive air temperatures, poor ventilation, and I always have results as good as I expect. Attitude has a huge influence, and there are people who do everything by the book perfectly and their grow fails miserably. Reminds me of a lady I did computer work for one time, her printer always broke down when I wasn't there. I think she was telling the truth, and that she simply had a crabby attitude which influenced her machine, as dumb as that sounds. Also you can separate two plants which are on top of eachother, but you should do it as soon as possible, not wait until they are big enough. I had the same thing happen and I dug one plant out with a spoon and they both did just fine. :) Maybe certain strains are way picky and give a little gasp of air and then fall over and die at the first sign of mistreatment but I would think that's a rare thing indeed. :) Main thing, don't worry, and your plants look yummy!

[Italiano715]

Looking nice! Don't underestimate your ability to make clones. And it's not really all critically complicated. Hell, I use some harsh-ass tap water, (pH well above 8, general and carbonate hardness through the roof) whatever temp comes from the tap, jiffy pellets which are according to some people too acidic and out of 12 cuttings I have lost exactly one. I use time-release miracle grow soil, insufficient lighting, excessive air temperatures, poor ventilation, and I always have results as good as I expect. Attitude has a huge influence, and there are people who do everything by the book perfectly and their grow fails miserably. Reminds me of a lady I did computer work for one time, her printer always broke down when I wasn't there. I think she was telling the truth, and that she simply had a crabby attitude which influenced her machine, as dumb as that sounds. Also you can separate two plants which are on top of eachother, but you should do it as soon as possible, not wait until they are big enough. I had the same thing happen and I dug one plant out with a spoon and they both did just fine. :) Maybe certain strains are way picky and give a little gasp of air and then fall over and die at the first sign of mistreatment but I would think that's a rare thing indeed. :) Main thing, don't worry, and your plants look yummy!

OK so I searched for like 30 min for this thread to throw in my opinion. :D OK there is speculation that peat pellets are too acidic for cuttings correct? Well, doesn't acidity bring down PH? So if you were using pellets which are supposed to be acidic and using PH water lets say at 7 wouldn't the pellets bring down the PH? If so, then I don't see the problem with peat pellets for cloning. Matter of fact, for my case they seem and sound perfect. I just took 3 clones yesterday just because I had remaining peat pellets and so far they look pretty good. I just put some rooting powder on them, placed them in peat pellets, then placed them in my dome and set it in my grow room away from direct light and they seem to love it so far.

[keagal420]

well change f plns.. not gonna start cloning due to the fact that i will be moving in august...so these BETTER bud quicker lol. Had a few q2uestions about my leave discoloration and the texture of them... they are rough and tend to burn on hte edges... here are pics.

[keagal420]

ok i have another problem with one of my plants... im beginning to think im not cut out to grow this shit.... one of my plants are looking bad (pics) the leaves look to be drying out? i water it 3 times a day and do all i can to take care of it. the othe 2 are doing wonderful but i may have to let this one go as well and im said . so can someone please reply to this i need some real help!!!

[ultimatefreak48]

If you water it 3 times a day, that is wayyyy too much.... When you water, you want to only water the plant when the soil on the top doesnt retain moisture (when its dry)

[keagal420]

ok due to a malfunction on my pump that waters my plants while i was conveniently out of town... i am now down to 1 plant (as he loads the .38) but it is allowing me to focus all my time into this one. It is the skunk that i have mentioned in other threads. my only problem to that im not sure when to end the flowering process and if possible can i clone off this beautiful female skunk plant while its in flower? if anyone has any thoughts or suggestions please post a thread or two. here are the pics.

[Supportradicalhabits]

how many weeks into flowering?
yes you can clone a flowering plant but there are a few things to consider
Clones taken from flowering plants root quickly but require a month or longer to revert back to vegetative growth. Such rejuvinated clones ocassionally flower prematurely, and buds are more prone to pests and diseases.

[keagal420]

ok well fuck the cloning idea... i have these damn lil dots on my leaves and they are mainly on the top leaves... but a few on the bottom ones and its driving me nuts... im just gonna forget the growing pot idea and just continue to buy shit! i have had the worst last 2 weeks ever! anyone know hwat the hell these dots are.. im guessing spider mites and im in flowering so im not liking the idea of spraying my plants with chemicals.... any thoughts would be wonderful or any encouragement would be kind lol:rastasmoke:

[killerGanjaXXX]

So let me start with what I saw from your first post. "Canoeing" the large fan leaves curling up. HEAT, your room is overly warm is there any ventalation? Whats the average tempture when your lights are on? It looks to me like your cooking your plants and that why you lost so many leaves. The room should be 70-79 degres. Not 86, not 90, not 42. Your current porblem is more difficult to determine because I cant see the leaves very well in the pictures. Spider mites damage looks like white spray paint got on them, and if you pull a leaf then youll see small white egg sacks and small webs on the leaves. I cant tell from the pics. If its might go to the hydro store and buy three pyrithem foggers. sett off on in the room every other day when the lights are off. It's a food safe treatment. just dont use it 3-4 days before you harvest. although the 8 day cure it take to get the weed ready to smoke will give the smell and taste time ti comletely disapear.

Hope this helped. The more you grow the more problems you deal with.