Why the Volcano is Unmatched

[FourTwenty4Life]

I know this question has come up a lot, "why is the Volcano the 'best' and most expensive vaporizer?" so I wrote an e-mail to Storz & Bickel asking them to compare it to other vapes like the V Tower Extreme and Purple Days in particular. Here is the response I got from S&B:



Dear Volcano Owner ,



thank you for your mail and thank you for the enthusiasm for our product.

We are all pleased, that you are happy with our VOLCANO â?? that is most important!



As the VOLCANO company, of course, we always monitor the market for competitors, but luckily there is no serious competitor so far.

We are very proud of our products and we can honestly say that there is no better vaporizer on the market.

I note down some arguments in favour of the VOLCANO (hoping it does not sound too blatant, but it is all true and honest)



You were asking for the differences to other products, generally the VOLCANO is made in Germany and it is of outstanding quality that last for years. (I donâ??t think that any lifetime warranties (V Tower ) are serious, but time will tellâ?¦)



The VOLCANO is built as a medical grade device, with pinpoint accuracy. The temperature accuracy of the CLASSIC or DIGIT is unmatched by other products.

The set up for effective vaporization requires a strong pump for constant air flow, a heat exchanger to heat up air to the desired temperature and of course accurate temperature control.

Please see http://www.storz-bickel.com/downloads/Banner_Digit_A3.pdf for a technical drawing.

Whip systems are not providing a constant air flow, leading to the danger of increased temperature and finally combustion, because as you suck from the whip, temperature rises (you might know from a cigarette: when you inhale, it starts glowing > that means temperature goes up). You might attach a silicone tube to the EASY VALVE filling chamber (= whip system), but this is not as good as the balloon system. A whip system if used strong or long enough always bears the danger of self-combustion of the plant material. The balloon has the advantage that during vaporization you are not in contact with heat or electricity.



Pumping the enriched air into the balloon guarantees that air flow is constant and temperature too. All the â??balloon systemâ?� I know working with a fan (= not enough pressure) instead of a good pump, so in most of the cases performance is unsatisfying and vaporization is ineffective. Talking about temperature, for connoisseurs a reliable temperature is of importance, because with a certain temperature you might just get the â??portfolio of compounds out of your herbs that you like. In the medical research this is also a very important point as they want to have controlled temperature to be able to have reliable parameters for their studies. The VOLCANO as the standard for scientific research is a good testimonial too, I believe.

I canâ??t really tell, if the Purple Days is more effective, as I must admit that I donâ??t know the product, but I assume that there would be more â??spread the wordâ?� testimonials if it is outstanding.



I hope that this a proposal that meets your interests.



Kind regards from Germany





Michael Schwarz

Marketing Manager



STORZ & BICKEL GmbH Co. KG
Rote Strasse 1
78532 Tuttlingen
Germany



[email protected]
Tel: +49-7461-969707-0
Fax: +49-7461-969707-7
www.storz-bickel.com


Kommanditgesellschaft, Sitz Tuttlingen
Amtsgericht HRA 451029
Geschäftsführer: Markus Storz, Jürgen Bickel

:hippy: you're welcome

[lwien123]

It's a marketing pitch made by a marketing manager. I have no doubt that if you contact any other marketing manager from any other vape manufacturer, that they too could come up with some very convincing arguments about why their particular vape is better than the competition.

I'd much rather count on user testimonials as well as the challenges to those testimonials, than anything that a marketing manager would say, for it is their job to market their particular product in the most favorable light possible while setting themselves apart from their competition.

With that being said, I still think the 'Cano is a great vape. I just don't fall for the hype that it's the best. But then, I don't think ANY vape is the best.

[FourTwenty4Life]

It's a marketing pitch made by a marketing manager. I have no doubt that if you contact any other marketing manager from any other vape manufacturer, that they too could come up with some very convincing arguments about why their particular vape is better than the competition.

I'd much rather count on user testimonials as well as the challenges to those testimonials, than anything that a marketing manager would say, for it is their job to market their particular product in the most favorable light possible while setting themselves apart from their competition.

With that being said, I still think the 'Cano is a great vape. I just don't fall for the hype that it's the best. But then, I don't think ANY vape is the best.

I agree about the user testimonials and such. I just wanted to show their response because they can explain more of the technical aspects that I'm not so good as describing. While he IS a marketing manager, that doesn't discredit the facts that he mentions in the e-mail. It's just nice to have it explained by someone who actually knows the makeup of the product and everything instead of some random users arguing about it on forums. All vapes are good in their own right because of the nature of what they do. I can't wait to get my iOlite one day for portable vaping. However it seems that according to S&B, no one touches them yet in terms of vapor efficiency and performance.:hippy:

[lwien123]

However it seems that according to S&B, no one touches them yet in terms of vapor efficiency and performance.:hippy:

Yeah, but that's the point. I think if you asked the marketing manager of any of the more popular vapes out there, that they would all say the same thing, that is, that the vape that they represent can't be touched in terms of vapor efficiency and performance.

As an ex-marketing manager, I just have to take whatever any of them say with a grain of salt.

Let us know how you like the Iolite when you get it. It's gotten some great reviews.

[FourTwenty4Life]

Yeah, but that's the point. I think if you asked the marketing manager of any of the more popular vapes out there, that they would all say the same thing, that is, that the vape that they represent can't be touched in terms of vapor efficiency and performance.

As an ex-marketing manager, I just have to take whatever any of them say with a grain of salt.

Let us know how you like the Iolite when you get it. It's gotten some great reviews.

You gave me a good idea. I should e-mail the makers of some other vapes and ask them to compare it to the Volcano. I loved the fact that S&B described the technical aspects of what makes their vaporizer what it is. I now understand how it works a little better and that other vapes don't have the same makeup. So if I can get the other vape manufacturers to explain the technical aspects of why their vape is superior or just as good as the Volcano, I can post the results.:hippy:

[lwien123]

Gotta question for ya 420, and I'm not being facetious when I ask this, for I really have no idea. Can you put just 0.025g in a 'Cano, and get 4 good tasty hits from it?

[FourTwenty4Life]

Gotta question for ya 420, and I'm not being facetious when I ask this, for I really have no idea. Can you put just 0.025g in a 'Cano, and get 4 good tasty hits from it?

Yes. One of these days in the 'High on Vapor' thread I might post some pictures to show you.:hippy:

[lwien123]

You gave me a good idea. I should e-mail the makers of some other vapes and ask them to compare it to the Volcano. I loved the fact that S&B described the technical aspects of what makes their vaporizer what it is. I now understand how it works a little better and that other vapes don't have the same makeup. So if I can get the other vape manufacturers to explain the technical aspects of why their vape is superior or just as good as the Volcano, I can post the results.:hippy:

Good idea. But just keep in mind that, for the most part, you will be comparing the marketing expertise of a particular manager rather than comparing the particular virtues of the different vapes.

But still, an interesting exercise.

[lwien123]

Yes. One of these days in the 'High on Vapor' thread I might post some pictures to show you.:hippy:

Great. I'd love to see it. I know that in whip based vapes, unless you can cover the screen, it doesn't work too well and 0.025g just doesn't fully cover those screens.

[FourTwenty4Life]

Good idea. But just keep in mind that, for the most part, you will be comparing the marketing expertise of a particular manager rather than comparing the particular virtues of the different vapes.

But still, an interesting exercise.

That is why I will ask them to specifically mention the technical aspects that sets their vape apart from others. That's exactly what I asked of S&B, to describe the technical workings of their Volcano and how it compared to other vapes such as the V Tower Extreme or Purple Days. I am looking forward to reading what they have to say.:hippy:

[lwien123]

That is why I will ask them to specifically mention the technical aspects that sets their vape apart from others. That's exactly what I asked of S&B, to describe the technical workings of their Volcano....

Here is an example of the kind of marketing hype I am talking about. He said, "The VOLCANO is built as a medical grade device, with pinpoint accuracy. The temperature accuracy of the CLASSIC or DIGIT is unmatched by other products."

I take issue with this. There is a German made vape called the Aromed. It is the only vape that has a microprocessor that constantly monitors the temp in the herb rather than monitoring the temp at the heat source. Here is their marketing hype regarding temp control:
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How exact is the temperature setting of the AroMed?
Vaporizing temperatures in the AroMed can be selected in 1°C/2°F steps from 60°C/152°F to 235°C/455°F. Inhalation of about any active agent, from essential oils to components boiling at high temperatures is possible.
Like in all other vaporizers, the hot air temperature is measured where originated, but only the AroMed has a built in processor, that calculates exact temperatures inside the herbal materials.
A comparison: Another vaporizer is temperature controlled by an electric iron thermostat with a measuring tolerance of +/- 15°C/59°F. Fluctuation ranges of 30°C/86°F are most likely. It has a knob to choose temperatures between 1 and 9.
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So ya see, they also make a pretty convincing argument. So is it really true when a marketing manager from Volcano states that, "The temperature accuracy of the CLASSIC or DIGIT is unmatched by other products." ?

Maybe, maybe not.

[FourTwenty4Life]

Here is an example of the kind of marketing hype I am talking about. He said, "The VOLCANO is built as a medical grade device, with pinpoint accuracy. The temperature accuracy of the CLASSIC or DIGIT is unmatched by other products."

I take issue with this. There is a German made vape called the Aromed. It is the only vape that has a microprocessor that constantly monitors the temp in the herb rather than monitoring the temp at the heat source. Here is their marketing hype regarding temp control:
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How exact is the temperature setting of the AroMed?
Vaporizing temperatures in the AroMed can be selected in 1°C/2°F steps from 60°C/152°F to 235°C/455°F. Inhalation of about any active agent, from essential oils to components boiling at high temperatures is possible.
Like in all other vaporizers, the hot air temperature is measured where originated, but only the AroMed has a built in processor, that calculates exact temperatures inside the herbal materials.
A comparison: Another vaporizer is temperature controlled by an electric iron thermostat with a measuring tolerance of +/- 15°C/59°F. Fluctuation ranges of 30°C/86°F are most likely. It has a knob to choose temperatures between 1 and 9.
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So ya see, they also make a pretty convincing argument. So is it really true when a marketing manager from Volcano states that, "The temperature accuracy of the CLASSIC or DIGIT is unmatched by other products." ?

Maybe, maybe not.

This is just my take on that quote. I think when he said "unmatched" he meant in terms of how long the Volcano has been around with their technology. Yes other makers are now starting to mimic aspects of the cano but they haven't been around as long. While that processor sounds pretty interesting, it doesn't combine with the rest of what makes up a Volcano, which is described in the e-mail along with the pdf illustration.

So maybe he meant that "unmatched" was like a total package deal in terms of the popularity, name recognition, reliability, performance, sales figures, etc. The only other explanation I could give would be that he isn't familiar with that vaporizer to compare it, as he stated about the Purple Days "I canâ??t really tell, if the Purple Days is more effective, as I must admit that I donâ??t know the product, but I assume that there would be more â??spread the wordâ?� testimonials if it is outstanding." Maybe I will send him another e-mail asking him to compare the temperature accuracy to the AroMed.

The quote I think that sums up what he was getting at is this "As the VOLCANO company, of course, we always monitor the market for competitors, but luckily there is no serious competitor so far."

I think S&B is working on something new and I can only imagine it's a smaller, cheaper, and perhaps more portable type of unit. Only time will tell. There are plenty of cheaper options other than the Volcano. However, you have to admit that the facts in the e-mail are pretty convincing, even if he's a marketing manager, he sure knows his stuff and facts are facts. For example, I never thought about a whip vape like that until he explained it better.:hippy:

[lwien123]

Maybe I will send him another e-mail asking him to compare the temperature accuracy to the AroMed.




That would be interesting, especially being that they are both German made. I would think that he would be familiar with the AroMed.

[FourTwenty4Life]

That would be interesting, especially being that they are both German made. I would think that he would be familiar with the AroMed.

I just sent the e-mail to S&B. I hope you don't mind but I quoted your entire 1st and 6th response into the e-mail so that more specific answers could be given. I will post when I get a response. In the mean time I'm gathering the contact info for other vapes.:hippy:

[lwien123]

I just sent the e-mail to S&B. I hope you don't mind but I quoted your entire 1st and 6th response into the e-mail so that more specific answers could be given.

Nope. Don't mind at all. What you may then want to do is to email Volcano's response to Aromed to get their response.

I believe that if both of these marketing managers from these companies are any good at all, they will both come up with convincing arguments why THEIR vaporizer is better.

[MPLSweedman]

well for how much they ask for a volcano it had better be un-matched!!!

its tough to compare a $500 product with a $200 product, you would HOPE the volcano would be superior, i haven't seen other products in the similar price range that aren't exact repliacs of the volcano

[lwien123]

well for how much they ask for a volcano it had better be un-matched!!!

its tough to compare a $500 product with a $200 product, you would HOPE the volcano would be superior, i haven't seen other products in the similar price range that aren't exact repliacs of the volcano

Aromed is $439.00.

[lwien123]

Ok, I know this is gonna upset you 420, but in keeping with the theme of this thread, "Why the Volcano is Unmatched", I figured it may be a good idea to post up a few threads from another site where the 'Cano is discussed by 'Cano users who own multiple vapes, so that rather than hearing just from marketing managers, we can also get a taste here of actual users comparing various vapes against the 'Cano by actual Volcano users, some positive, some negative.

I don't know a better way to direct people to specific threads at a specific site without hyperlinks, and I understand that this is a sensitive issue, but I think that the information provided may be worth taking the chance of possibly breaking some rules here.

I apologize in advance, and sincerely hope that the following may provide a bit more insight into "Why the Volcano is Unmatched" or better yet, "Is the Volcano Unmatched"

Fuck Combustion - Vaporizer Forum / Get it all out - Bash the Volcano thread (http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=536)
Fuck Combustion - Vaporizer Forum / Just bought brand new Volcano... have a few questions about useage... (http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=888)

Feel free to report this 420, if you really feel that it is out of line, for I too, am a bit concerned about hyper-linking these threads. Just couldn't figure out a better way to do it, but if it does get deleted, I understand.

I just figured that user reports along with marketing manager reports may give us a clearer picture of where the Volcano fits into the current vaporizer market.

Btw, I apologize for the title of the first thread. But it was created by a very avid Volcano user who wanted to motivate some conversation. It is not, by any means, a bashing thread, for there are both pro's and con's that are discussed.

[FourTwenty4Life]

Thanks for sharing. It's good to have a nice mix of vape user opinions plus the expertise of Storz & Bickel.

By the way, I'll be trying out the i-Olite in a few days because my friend just ordered one. I'm excited because this is a nice way to test the waters to see if I truly want to get one for myself.

You can agree with the title of this thread or disagree, or agree to disagree. Either way, if you're not vaporizing, you don't know what you're missing out on.:hippy:


p.s. I'm high....:stoned::rasta::smokin::pimp::jointsmile: :vap_smiley:

[lwien123]

You can agree with the title of this thread or disagree, or agree to disagree. Either way, if you're not vaporizing, you don't know what you're missing out on.:hippy:


Amen to that, brotha. :thumbsup:

[FourTwenty4Life]

That would be interesting, especially being that they are both German made. I would think that he would be familiar with the AroMed.

I just wanted to post the response I got from S&B in regards to the Aromed...


"...thanks for your efforts and your requests. Well, true enough, I am the Marketing Manager in here, I never tried to hide it ;-)

And of course people can argue, if statements are objective, I simply canâ??t say nothing against it.

But talking about testimonials of independent third parties, there should be more than enough statements in favour of the VOLCANO.


The mentioned Aromed concerns donâ??t qualify for an objective point of view, as they are from a competitor trying to gain ground.

The Aromed is a very good device that is second best to the VOLCANO. Thinking of the earlier whip system explanation causing air fluctuation and therefore inconsistent heat is a minus. I wonder how they measure the temperature in the herb with a microprocessor without a temperature sensor in the herbsâ?¦ could deviate due to amount of herbs, how fine it is ground, etc.

The statement of +/- 15°c is simply not true. And yes, the accuracy of the VOLCANO is unmatched. (Testimonial = Have a look at medical studies with vaporizer in the last 5 years > vaporizer of choice by scientists = ??


There will be a smaller vaporizer next year, but not cordless,

I think the idea of running a store is good, there are still a lot of people who have not heard about vaporizing at all.


Kind regards

STORZ & BICKEL GmbH Co. KG"


Like I said though, as long as you're vaping, you're already a step above most. There is no way I could go run 2-4 miles like I do now if I was still smoking every day instead of vaping.:hippy: