cactus cuttings

[Dick Justice]

When websites sell you cactus cuttings, are they 15 years old or whatever the cutoff is? And do you just eat em, or is it better to make tea?

How much is enough for one person?

[melloman420]

what kind of cactus is it? what site did you buy it from, i wuz thinkin about buyin sum but i wanna make sure i dont order from a shitty site

[Dick Justice]

I was looking at www.bouncingbearbotanicals.com to order from, but I found a bounch of others that have cactus cuttings too, and no real explanation.

[Encatuse]

The cactuses vary in potency a huge amount. Anywhere from 1/10 as strong as peyote, to 2.4x as strong. So, it really all depends on the batch you get.

I emailed your hushmail account, Dick.

[andruejaysin]

All I can tell you is bouncingbear is the real deal, fixing to order some cacti myself. Never bought cacti from them, but every thing else has been straight, I've been buying all this stuff since before most of you had hair on your nuts, BB is straight.

[Delta9]

Dopamine injections into the cactus as it grows would increase it potency because dopamine is a biological precursor to the active component. Dopamine is a controlled substance as well however, but it is found in banana peel and is water soluble. In fact dopamine has been measured in banana peel at a value of up to 100mg dopamine/g of peel.

Save your banana peels in a big baggie in the freezer and when you got a huge bag full of frozen peel grind them up and simmer them in a huge pot with distilled water.
decoct them for a long time filter off the ground peel pulp and boil off most of the water. allow to cool and water/inject you cactus with the aqueous banana extract.

Humidity plays a role as well cactuses grown in humid environments are gennerally less potent than dry environments. Look for darker cactuses. Dark green are more potent than lighter colored cactuses.

[Dick Justice]

So THAT'S where that myth came from about smoking banana peels.

Hahaha, the mysterious chemical "bananadine."

Well anyway, I think I'm gonna spring for some cuttings from bouncingbear, and I'll let everyone know how it goes.

[Delta9]

I dident say to smoke them. Dopamine is not a hallucinogen. Its an anti-oxident.

[Delta9]

If you care to argue my proof of the presence of dopamine in banana peel is in these published studies. There have been many more studies than just these done on banana peels as well giving back positive results for the presence of dopamine.

1). Chang-Peng Yang. Shuji Fujita, MD Ashrafuzzaman, Naoko Nakamura, and Nobuyki Hayaohi. J. Agric. Food Chem. 2000, 48, 2732-2735.

2). Kazuki Kanazawa and Hiroyuki Sakakibara. J. Agric. Food Chem. 2000, 48, 844-848.

3). M. Mar Sojo, Estrella Nunez-Delicado, Alvaro Sanchez-Ferrer, and Francisco Garcia-Carmona. J. Agric. Food Chem. 2000, 48, 5543-5547.

[Delta9]

I think the DEA better add bananas to their list of controlled substances. It's illegal to grow marijuana what the fuck is that?

[Delta9]

Or the English system of weigths and measures compaired to the metric system. Why would you use the English system? It's obsolete.

Like a mule without an ass or an ass without a mule.
For our system of measure we shall use the length of the kings foot.
Like a bull without balls or balls without a bull.
We will decide if she is a witch if she is lighter than a duck.
And let it be known across the land that a pound of gold is heavier than a pound of feathers.

[Dick Justice]

I wasn't doubting you, nor was I thinking I should smoke any. I'm just saying, I never knew there was dopamine in banana peels, but now I know where the legend came from. Someone else must have heard there was dopamine in banana peels and decided to spread the word.

[Delta9]

It's not a big deal. Theres all kinds of compounds in food. Dopamine is a cool compound. Cannabinoids are cool too. There all kinds of natural products. The real problem with all the drug laws is that they make it illegal for private citizens to operate laboratory equiptment. Mosty laboratory reagents are illegal as well. That means that only huge companies are allowed to research drugs and other compounds. And that means I cannot develope new products on my own without some executive approval and without some company taking the patent from me. See what I am saying.
You can't invent anything. Research has to done under the supervision of the government which means that whatever company or organization you are working for owns everything you do.

If you are trying to develope a new product, invention, or drug you will need to operate equiptment and compounds that are regulated by federal law. It basically means that it is illegal to start your own business in the scientific industry. Espesiall since any work done before the product is fully developed must be kept secret to prevent others from stealing you work. And a secret lab would land me in jail for a long time. That's capitalism for you.

[Nosehit]

Dopamine injections into the cactus as it grows would increase it potency because dopamine is a biological precursor to the active component. Dopamine is a controlled substance as well however, but it is found in banana peel and is water soluble. In fact dopamine has been measured in banana peel at a value of up to 100mg dopamine/g of peel.

Save your banana peels in a big baggie in the freezer and when you got a huge bag full of frozen peel grind them up and simmer them in a huge pot with distilled water.
decoct them for a long time filter off the ground peel pulp and boil off most of the water. allow to cool and water/inject you cactus with the aqueous banana extract.

Humidity plays a role as well cactuses grown in humid environments are gennerally less potent than dry environments. Look for darker cactuses. Dark green are more potent than lighter colored cactuses.

Won't increase potency of the cactus! At best youy'd just be adding dopamine to your cactus. If you want to increase potency do a extraction and dose with mesc.

[Delta9]

dopamine is involved in the synthesis of mescaline by the cactus, so by adding the precursor it would be converted to mescaline througth the biological pathway.
In order to prevent the oxidation of the dopamine(the reason bananas become brown) the the polyphenol oxidase enzyme in the banana peel must be immediately deactivated by putting the peel in boiling water for 20-sec immediatly after peeling banana. The peel should be quickly minced and placed in a dark cold inert atmosphere to preserve such as freezer. And inert atmospher can be done by evacuating a large resealable plastic baggie with propane(note: propane is a flamable gas) substitute for N2 or Ar.

[Delta9]

Freezing the drugs is going to preserve them cause they will be frozen. The same reason food is stored in a freezer. What would you rather drink water that was just thawed out from ice or water that is gone stagnent by sitting in the sun? If you were going to store weed in a freezer it would probably be best for it to be dried first but freezing would help preserve.

[Delta9]

But recrystalizing the mesc. out of the cactus you need reagents. Like NaOH and shit you can't by at the store. Not only that there are other compounds in the peyote that act synergistically with the mesc. Thats okay though You are basically right it is a waste of time. You might as well just buy a couple doses.

[EverydayJunglist]

fuck all that injection shit-how many 12'' cuttings do you have to consume to trip?

[Delta9]

According to:

Vincenzo De Feo "Ethnomedical field study of northern Peruvian Andes with particular reference to divination practices" journal of ethnopharmacology, 85 (2003) 243-256

The 'Achuma' or 'Huachuma' is prepared as follows by a 'curandero':

"A decoction is made by placing rounded pieces of stem or trunk in water (about 200-g in 11 of water) and is boiled for several hours, until the volume of water is reduced to 1/4 of the initial volume. The dosage by mouth is 3 cups of the cooled decoction during the ritual ("mesada) and may be given only by the 'curandero'."

That is how the shamatic Andeans prepare T. pach. or T. peruv.

There are variations to cimoras in which different additives are added but some of them are very poisonous plants in the Solanaceae family are are much feared by the Andeans. as is the word cimora meaning something bad.

But I guess the dose is about 6-12" of T. pach. cactus

[Delta9]

The knife, pot and water used to prepare the cactus are supposed to be ritually pure. Ritually purity is abstenation from salt, garlic onion, blood pork fat, and sex. The best result are claimed to be on Tuesday or friday, from sunset to midnight. And alcohol is forbidden the next day. Thats what the Shamatic religion prepares the cactus.

[EverydayJunglist]

does anyone knoe how many 12' cuttings it takes?I've heard half,i've heard one,i've heard two.And mescaline isn't something i would wanna take too big of a dose of.

[Dr Timothy Leary]

we jus got about 4 buttons each of peyote...mashed it all down, mixed the slushy residue with lemon juice to mask the taste and also kinda stop the stomach pain, and it all worked fine, in about 2hours...me n my m8s were baked lol, i felt like i was an african land crab for about 5hours tho..kept walkin sideways n making claw things with my fingers haha

[EverydayJunglist]

nah not peyote bro.I mean san pedro cuttings.They are legal.I live in ny and there is no cacti here.

[andruejaysin]

1 12 inch cutting if it's good stuff. You can eat it, but that's alot of fucking cactus. Tea is easier, still kinda nasty, but worth it. Dopamine is a neurotransmitter, it is not a controlled substance ( got a list right in front of me ) Not sure if it's found in banana peals (kinda dought it) but even if it is I don't think it will cross the blood/brain barrier. Could be wrong on that. But I do know you CAN extract mecaline with chemical you get from maybe not a grocery store, but wal-mart or a hardware store. Naoh is a fancy name for lye. I've done an acid/base (which is how you extract mescaline) a few hundred times using Red Devil lye. Not with mescaline, but extraction of a freebase as the hcl salt, not complicated, a thousand tweaked out morons do it every day, and most of them have absolutely no understanding of the chemistry.

[Dick Justice]

Okay, I'm buying a mature, multi-headed lophophora peyote thing. www.divinecactus.com .

What's the best way to get flesh doses with this? Keep in mind I don't want to totally butcher the plant. And can you smoke the powdered skin?

[Nosehit]

But recrystalizing the mesc. out of the cactus you need reagents. Like NaOH and shit you can't by at the store. Not only that there are other compounds in the peyote that act synergistically with the mesc. Thats okay though You are basically right it is a waste of time. You might as well just buy a couple doses.
Actually you can buy NaOH at the hardware store it used for cleaning driveways and shit like that. I've done a couple extractions but I always use lab quality chemicals. Both times were successful but not something I'm real comfortable with.

[Delta9]

the only reason I think dopamine is in the peels is because i was reading research papers and many of them happened to be on banana, and the liquid-chromatograms showed retention times indicating that there was the amine present. It dosen't really matter though I just thought it was interesting. I found it in the paper:

Riggin, R.M.; McCarthy, M.J.; Kissinger, P.T. "Identification of Salsolinol a Major Dopamine Metabolite in Banana", J. Agric. Food. Chem. Vol. 24. No 1.1975. P 189-191.

I read on the net that dopamine injections would boost the mesc. content of a cactus.

[Delta9]

What hardwear store can you get NaOH from? Home-Depot sucks? Vitamin suppliments have compounds in them too. They usually have sugar and other stuff in them but they might be able to be separeated. Like the steric acid could be extracted with toluene. and you would have the suppliment minus the steric acid. I don't know about the other impurites like TiO2. The TiO2 might be able to be eliminated electrolytically, but you need to figure out how to make a electrochemical cell which could be done but it would be a pain in the ass.

An Iodide suppliment might work to test for chlorine in bleaching powder. If you made a solution of bleaching powder and water and added starch and heated it so the starch dissolved you could react the solution with the iodide in the suppliment and if there was Cl2 in the bleaching powder it would follow:

Cl2 + 2I- ------> 2Cl- + I2

The iodine producted would then react with the starch to form a blue color indicating the presence of Cl2 in the bleaching powder. From the bleaching powder you could then make chloroform. It would just be a good lab exercise.
The chloroform could then be used in other extraction partitions.

[Delta9]

I would be useful to purify compounds cause then you would have starting materials. Like magnesium to make a gringard reagent.

Like if you could split apart diphenylhydramine, then you would have a alkyl amine.

Diphenylhydramine + something ---------> (phenyl)2OH + [(CH3)2]N(CH2CH3)

The [(CH3)2]N(CH2CH3) might be able to be formed into a gringard with a purified magnesium suppliment someshow that could be used to add to a carboxylic acid derivative to from another amine that would be closer to the product. It is a stupid idea, but a synthetic pathroutes are always useful.

[Delta9]

But for a gringard to work you would need diethyl ether, which you'd have to either buy or make. I doubt they sell ether at the hardwearstore, so you'd have to synthesize it from acetone and concentrated sulfuric acid. But where do you get sulfiric acid? Given that a car battery is expensive and would contain impurites it would not be feasable. You could make sulfuric by burning sulfur but on a small scale it would be difficult because it would be a gas phase reaction. But if really determined You could use a disposable oxygen tank from the hardwear store to react burned sulfur with the oxygen to form sulfurtrioxide.

2[SO2] (g) + O2 (g) -------> 2[SO3] (g)

The sulfur would have to be burned in a closed vessel and then the oxygen would
have to be pumed through the vessel mixing with the sulfur smoke into a long hose where the oxygen and sulfer dioxide would react to form the sulfur trioxide gas. The hose would need to then lead into another container with a small amount of water in it where the gases could be compressed and allowed to react for a while. then the pressurized vessel would have to be shaken for a very long time to form H2SO4.

SO3(g) +H2O(l) -----------> H2SO4.

But this would be rather painstaking making only minut fractions at a time and a catalyst would probably be necesary.

[andruejaysin]

Naoh is RED DEVIL LYE, grocery store. Diethyl ether is STARTER FLUID, gas station. It can also be made from ETHANOL and sulfuric acid. Fuming sulfuric can be bought from any place that sells chemicals. Regular strenght sulfiric is sold at hardware stores as LIQIUID HEAT, drain cleaner. GRignard reagent is a step on the process to extacy, it has NOTHING to do with extraction of mescaline from cactus. Dude, you talk a good game to people with no chemistry background whatsoever, but you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

[EverydayJunglist]

Okay, I'm buying a mature, multi-headed lophophora peyote thing. www.divinecactus.com .

What's the best way to get flesh doses with this? Keep in mind I don't want to totally butcher the plant. And can you smoke the powdered skin?

lemme know how it goes

[Dick Justice]

Will do.

[Nosehit]

Lowes has it but i get mine from the lab where I work. Iwas asleep though you use it to clean drains, hydrochloric acid is used to clean driveways and shit.

All that is nice but you lost me I thought we were talking about Mesc extraction. :confused:



What hardwear store can you get NaOH from? Home-Depot sucks? Vitamin suppliments have compounds in them too. They usually have sugar and other stuff in them but they might be able to be separeated. Like the steric acid could be extracted with toluene. and you would have the suppliment minus the steric acid. I don't know about the other impurites like TiO2. The TiO2 might be able to be eliminated electrolytically, but you need to figure out how to make a electrochemical cell which could be done but it would be a pain in the ass.

An Iodide suppliment might work to test for chlorine in bleaching powder. If you made a solution of bleaching powder and water and added starch and heated it so the starch dissolved you could react the solution with the iodide in the suppliment and if there was Cl2 in the bleaching powder it would follow:

Cl2 + 2I- ------> 2Cl- + I2

The iodine producted would then react with the starch to form a blue color indicating the presence of Cl2 in the bleaching powder. From the bleaching powder you could then make chloroform. It would just be a good lab exercise.
The chloroform could then be used in other extraction partitions.

[monstermunchies]

goes something like this
peyote = 1
trichocerus peruvianus = 0.9
trichocerus pachanoi = 0.1