Why does everyone seem to think Indoor bud is better? [Archive] - Green Grass Forums

Italiano715

05-02-2009, 03:59 AM

Everyone seems to automatically think that indoor bud is better for some reason. I don't see why that'd be true at all. The only advantage I see is environmental control but that's. At the end of the day the potency would still be in the strain would it not. I dont know.. any takes?

if you were to grow one strain outdoors and then the same strain indoors which do you think would come out better?

Also, there are the factors including climate/weather conditions of the outdoor grow throughout the season and what strain you choose to grow outside....

My opinion I'd believe you could grow a plant outside better than one inside given conditons are perfect and that you can keep the bugs away! Go ahead and try it and start a log! I will be here till the end :D

Dutch Pimp

05-02-2009, 04:04 AM

if you were to grow one strain outdoors and then the same strain indoors which do you think would come out better?

Also, there are the factors including climate/weather conditions of the outdoor grow throughout the season and what strain you choose to grow outside....

My opinion I'd believe you could grow a plant outside better than one inside given conditons are perfect and that you can keep the bugs away! Go ahead and try it and start a log! I will be here till the end :D

I agree....:thumbsup:...at least you can control the enviroment indoors...:smokin:

MDFinest

05-02-2009, 04:53 AM

I'm going to try it because I don't see an advantage to growing indoors other than environmental control. Since by the time I do get some seeds of the same strain it'll be too late to plant outside I'm going to do it with an autoflowering strain. Next year I'll see if I can do it with a regular one. I honestly believe that natural wind, rain water, and sunlight all would make for a "richer" smoke.

and also I live in Maryland.. which isn't the best outdoor place for growing. I bet no indoor bud would compare to outdoor bud grown in Hawaii or Thailand. LLS. But either way I'm going to go 4 it.

fluid69

05-02-2009, 05:02 AM

awesome! pls post back your info. I love a good experiment, now if I could just find my damn lab coat! do you guys see it laying around anywhere? LOL

grey1223

05-03-2009, 02:19 AM

Let's remember that we are talking about hybrids for the most part that were bred to be good indoor producers. Genetics determine thc % not the environment. The only advantage to outdoor growing is larger plants.

MDFinest

05-04-2009, 02:20 AM

ok but THC % isnt the only thing that makes bud better IMO.. taste & the TYPE of high are two things that matter to. Personally I feel like outdoors is a much richer environment to grow and bud and it'll show in the finished product. But its only 1 way to find out!

Italiano715

05-04-2009, 02:29 AM

Genetics determine thc % not the environment. The only advantage to outdoor growing is larger plants.

As genetics may determine thc % does not mean that it will be what it says. It is about the envionment. If temps are too high or too humid they may not produce to that potential thc percentile. As you will get much bigger plants outdoors doesn't mean you'll get that 23% thc unless conditions are at its best during the whole year. Just the same for indoors. If your room temps are too high then it won't come out to it's potential thc levels as if it were optimal w/ perfect temps and enough lighting, ph, etc.

Rusty Trichome

05-04-2009, 01:03 PM

I believe most people think hydro is the best,
Faster to harvest...perhaps. Better...no way.
Not everybody likes hydro better, and I definatelly don't consider it the best. I'm one of those that much prefer the flavors and aroma's of soil grown meds...and there is no discernable difference between the two, in regards to the effects.

A lot depends on the grower, his talents, the quality of his/her genetics, the nutes and medium...But it's just plain easier to grow indoors. No nosy neighbors. No insect problems, no vermin or deer chewing on it, no hail storms, no street lights screwing with light schedules, no flooding or drought...

fluid69

05-04-2009, 01:18 PM

Faster to harvest...perhaps. Better...no way.
Not everybody likes hydro better, and I definatelly don't consider it the best. I'm one of those that much prefer the flavors and aroma's of soil grown meds...and there is no discernable difference between the two, in regards to the effects.

A lot depends on the grower, his talents, the quality of his/her genetics, the nutes and medium...But it's just plain easier to grow indoors. No nosy neighbors. No insect problems, no vermin or deer chewing on it, no hail storms, no street lights screwing with light schedules, no flooding or drought...
i'm with you 100%. I prefer the ease of a soil grow myself. and plants def prefer indoor around here since the soil is so rocky and made of red clay. but I think the average "stoner",(not growers) thinks hydro is better because of the street rep. you know the sells pitch, "this shit's hydro man!" LOL. but I'll be damned if I gonna pay 10-15 dollars more for anything! I've seen dumbass's around here pay $120 for a 1/4 oz of "Hydro", that didn't get me any higher than a bag I paid $50 a 1/4.

Mississippi Steve

05-04-2009, 01:39 PM

i'm with you 100%. I prefer the ease of a soil grow myself. and plants def prefer indoor around here since the soil is so rocky and made of red clay. but I think the average "stoner",(not growers) thinks hydro is better because of the street rep. you know the sells pitch, "this shit's hydro man!" LOL.

The street dealers around here freak when I smok 'em out with what I grow indoors.... they want to know where they can get some or get some seeds, etc. They have a hard time with really good weed, most just can't handle it. I smoked one out and he still doesn't know how he made it home that night or anything that happened after until he woke up in the morning.

They find it hard to believe that what I grow doesn't have a single seed on an entire plant. When they grow outdoors or indoors, they don't cull the males. Either they don't know or they don't care.....they are growing for quanity not quality. Thats the main difference.

fluid69

05-04-2009, 01:54 PM

back to my original post

but I personally believe it comes down to the grower and his/her care of the plants, as well as proper harvest and curing.

everybody freaks out over some good homegrown! there's quite a # of growers local to me, most grow in 5 gallon buckets outdoors, but plant stealing was a huge problem last year. so plant security is also a huge pro of indoor growing.:thumbsup:

Rusty Trichome

05-04-2009, 02:02 PM

... but I think the average "stoner",(not growers) thinks hydro is better because of the street rep. you know the sells pitch, "this shit's hydro man!" LOL. but I'll be damned if I gonna pay 10-15 dollars more for anything! I've seen dumbass's around here pay $120 for a 1/4 oz of "Hydro", that didn't get me any higher than a bag I paid $50 a 1/4.
Yeah...gotta love the Madison Ave. type of marketing.

Anyone see the documentary, Super High Me? In the beginning of the movie, the first thing the guy does is go into a dispensary and ask about the cannabis products available. The guy behind the counter mentions how the 'purple' cannabis is more potent. (folks...purple is only a color, it is not a sign of potency)

A movie taking you through the legalized medical cannabis process, yet spreading bullshit and marketing hype right out of the gate. Kinda pissed me off, and I quit watching it. I would expect this from a major manufacturer, but not from those we are supposed to trust with dispensing our meds. Whether it was a moron behind the counter, a moron that trained the moron behind the counter, or a business owner adding $10 a gram just by marketing a color change as a relevant distinguishing feature...bullshit is bullshit.

I guess once I've mellowed-out a tad, I'll watch the rest of the movie, but I would have expected better from a cannabis provider, in charge of dispensing other people's meds. (there ought to be a law against these practices, lol)

Anyone see the NORML ad's on Fox News channel...? It's about time! :thumbsup:

fluid69

05-04-2009, 02:18 PM

no doubt! the couple of times I actually seen/smoked purple shit, I was not that impressed.

isn't it a shame all the disinformation that goes on?

headshake

05-04-2009, 02:29 PM

I'm going to try it because I don't see an advantage to growing indoors other than environmental control.

you just made your argument for yourself!

that is EXACTLY why growing indoors is preferred to a lot of people. (not that it is better necessarily.) but to do a grow comparison you need a controlled environment. you are not comparing apples to apples.

you also control the type of high by when you choose to harvest your plant (genetics obviously play a large part, as well).

sorry i didn't see this thread earlier.

-shake

LordDrow

05-04-2009, 04:55 PM

Don't know if its better or not as far as high goes, but I agree to me it has a richer flavor. In my case I am a medical user/grower and its illegal for me to grow out doors, but in doors I can do.

I am going with Hydro because I can be gone for days at a time with no one to look after the girls. So with Hydo, a reserve, and some automation it will run on its on for a few days with no problem.

MDFinest

05-04-2009, 05:25 PM

Yeah...gotta love the Madison Ave. type of marketing.

Anyone see the documentary, Super High Me? In the beginning of the movie, the first thing the guy does is go into a dispensary and ask about the cannabis products available. The guy behind the counter mentions how the 'purple' cannabis is more potent. (folks...purple is only a color, it is not a sign of potency)

A movie taking you through the legalized medical cannabis process, yet spreading bullshit and marketing hype right out of the gate. Kinda pissed me off, and I quit watching it. I would expect this from a major manufacturer, but not from those we are supposed to trust with dispensing our meds. Whether it was a moron behind the counter, a moron that trained the moron behind the counter, or a business owner adding $10 a gram just by marketing a color change as a relevant distinguishing feature...bullshit is bullshit.

I guess once I've mellowed-out a tad, I'll watch the rest of the movie, but I would have expected better from a cannabis provider, in charge of dispensing other people's meds. (there ought to be a law against these practices, lol)

Anyone see the NORML ad's on Fox News channel...? It's about time! :thumbsup:

tell me about it.. I swear most people who smoke bud are air heads.. which actually reflects the general population anyway. One of my best friends (as much as I like him) gets bud from Cali that they charge as much as 150/quarter.. 500/oz. They claim that it's so good because its "Cali" bud (no such fucking thing unless it is a Cali landrace if you ask me)and thats where all the good stuff comes from. It comes from the medical disp. as far as I know and yeah the quality is some of the best I've ever had but when I lived in GA the Florida bud we were getting was just as good (whether it was homegrown or outdoor). I used to tell them this and they said.. "Florida isn't known for having good bud".

WHAT!!! that is some air headed shit to say given the fact that good bud can be grown anywhere. It is so much hype floating around in the cannabis community that it is sad. I don't try to enlighten people anymore. Just let them remain ignorant.

xcrispi

05-04-2009, 06:47 PM

I've never seen it rain in my growroom . Muchless a seasons worth of it .
I'm bettin you lose trichs to it ?

It only rains CO2 in my growroom , 350 - 375 ppm of CO2 in the outside atmosphere . Yet 1500 ppm in my room . We indoor growers are control freaks . Sometimes it's nice to fool w/ Mother Nature :D

Crispi :jointsmile:

MDFinest

05-05-2009, 03:40 PM

Ive factored it all in my man.. rain.. everything. I'll just have to see for myself.

fluid69

05-05-2009, 03:49 PM

that's a really a good point about the rain xcrispi. I never even thought of that.

Rusty Trichome

05-05-2009, 04:10 PM

I've never seen it rain in my growroom . Muchless a seasons worth of it .
I'm bettin you lose trichs to it ?

Nope. Trichomes are oil-based, and do not mix with water.

Dutch Pimp

05-05-2009, 04:14 PM

lots of rain = blue mold/mildew on the leaves...around here

dossantos

05-05-2009, 04:45 PM

All depends on where u living... if u got suitable weather then outside is an attractive option..

Spent 2 years in Thailand n only smoked bush weed..
The high was not as potent as hydro but so so sweet..
U could smoke joints all day n still be able to chat away to the delightful bar girls...

Peace and Love to all...:)

xcrispi

05-05-2009, 05:23 PM

Nope. Trichomes are oil-based, and do not mix with water.

ok I call bullshit .
Who claimed they mixed wth water or were water soluable ? :wtf:
Im telling you trichs get knocked off by rain and cold adverse weather .
Or ppl. wouldnt make bubble hash or gumby hash via cold water extraction .

Cirispi :jointsmile:

MDFinest

05-05-2009, 05:56 PM

yea Ive read that THC isnt even water soluble and was going to say that but either way the FORCE of heavy rains would knock off the trichomes even if it wasnt the properties of the water itself.

Rusty Trichome

05-05-2009, 07:27 PM

I've never seen it rain in my growroom . Muchless a seasons worth of it .
I'm bettin you lose trichs to it ?
Being as how some folks are unaware that trichomes are oil based, I thought I'd add to the post that which had not yet been added. And what kind of a statement is that, anyway? Rain in your growroom? That seems to have come from left-field, given the flow of conversation.

ok I call bullshit .
Who claimed they mixed wth water or were water soluable ? :wtf:
Im telling you trichs get knocked off by rain and cold adverse weather .
Or ppl. wouldnt make bubble hash or gumby hash via cold water extraction .

Cirispi :jointsmile:
Sorry, didn't realize how anal you were with looking at stupid statements from another direction...and who the fuck said anthing against your post, anyway?

I wasn't aware that there is a dispute that rain can knock-off a few trichomes, as can hail, meteorites, bear piss, adjacent leaves, birds, raccoons... I'm pretty sure that's just plain common sense, and would never assume to correct an expert like you. :thumbsup:

Unwad your panties and have a good week. :thumbsup:

xcrispi

05-05-2009, 08:48 PM

Nope. Trichomes are oil-based, and do not mix with water.

Your last outburst conterdicts the above statement man . If not ???? Then what the Fuck is the "Nope" part all about :(

My statement about a "seasons worth of rain" was backing up Dutchs - enviromental factor comment as to why indoor buds are often better than outdoor buds - which was what this threads about - right ?

Seems other folks caught it = Whose in left field bro ? We can just agree to disagree wthout all the "panty binding" dickhead talk . Folks like you that are too quick to fly off the handle have made this site the disgrace its turned out to be . :( No fucking wonder everyones bailed n is at I/C Mag huh ??

Crispi :jointsmile:

JD1stTimer

05-05-2009, 09:17 PM

Wow, what a strange fight going on... sure rain could knock off some trichomes, but I doubt it would be very significant.

I think the only reason people want indoor is because, at least where I live, if it's grown outdoors it's regular bricked up dirt and you will find mud, seeds that look like they've been roasted and crushed, just plain trash weed that tastes like raid and barely gets you high. Not cured right, etc etc. Just Mexico trash. The only thing that's not trash here is the dro or corn. You can grow wonderful weed outdoors though, I don't doubt it one bit. You just can't buy it here.

psychocat

05-06-2009, 12:50 AM

It is a simple case of uniformity versus natural qualities.
The weed grown indoors is controlled and it's therefore easier to provide the ideal enviroment.

Mississippi Steve

05-06-2009, 01:37 PM

Lets make it real simple and easy... somebody do a grow log of 3 plants(seeds from the same plant)... one outdoors, the other 2 indoors(one dirty, one hydro), and do a comparison of the 3.

That will show us all which way we need to go.

Personally, I grow dirty indoors under CFLs and 4ft flourescent tubes with great results.

Smurph

05-06-2009, 11:48 PM

What more would you want than .... to control the conditions? If you could have more of the specific light necessary to plant growth, more CO2, and better water with nutrients aimed just for producing thc. If you could take out all of nature's adverse effects such as pests, other plants fighting for nutes or grow room. If you could ensure that you won't see any thunderstorms that might knock a limb off a tree onto it, hail on it.... Why wouldn't you?

MDFinest

05-07-2009, 12:30 AM

thats a real simplistic way of looking at it.. I mean isnt there at least a possibility that smell, taste, and even high are affected when you take weed out of a rich outdoor environment and put it in a closet. The same nature that bred cannabis for thousands of years is the same nature that all of sudden has all these adverse conditions that affect growth negatively. Yeah.. in some ways I can understand that... but you guys take it and blow it out of proportion. If the outdoors are so bad then why is cannabis even here today.. how did it survive all those years.

yall need to start looking at this thing holistically rather than in a small box.. really.

Rusty Trichome

05-07-2009, 12:42 PM

If the outdoors are so bad then why is cannabis even here today.. how did it survive all those years.

In some climates, there would be no way to grow outdoors. Like where I live, (the desert southwest) there's months of 110 degree heat, clay soils, water at 8.o ph...

Were we not able to grow indoors, stealth and security would also be an issue for most of us.

MDFinest

05-07-2009, 04:23 PM

yea I know that. Even where I live with all the animals it's not the best. But on the original post what I think it was clear that I was saying.. QUALITY wise why do people think indoor bud is automatically better? Not why is it better for the grower or what can happen to outdoor buds while grown.. thats common sense. It's illegal, indoor buds are easier to tend to especially since you dont have to hike to the grow spot, pests, animals, thiefs. I mean I could go on for days.

What I was asking is about the finished product of both. So really if you live in the extreme north, where humidity is too high.. or a thunderstorm knocks the plant out of its roots.. that doesnt count. I didnt ask what was easier to maintain. My question was about quality of the finished product of either.. and then I got all these other posts that had nothing to do with the question. If it can't survive to make it to the finished product then that scenario doesnt count.. it's useless for the argument. But either way I think it is settled. I'm going to run an experiment myself and just see the pro's and con's and keep every1 informed.

phatsesh101

05-07-2009, 05:11 PM

i wrote a good post and its not here see thats why i dont even try anymore and it sounds like blather

well i know at the dispensaries the indoor generally looks better for one and its also usually denser and my original post had more depth but im not gonna type it again

codbud

05-07-2009, 06:03 PM

Where I'm at the outdoor grown is gerenally much better, more potent with better flavor. It cost substantialy less to grow and the yeilds are much higher. I grow both ways but sucess outside is very easy and cheap and the quality is great. Although you can grow great stuff inside as long as you have skills and the setup. Outdoors is more forgiving. I do live in NB Canada where theres lots of land, an ok season and animals are you main consern but they aren't that difficult to deal with. Quality is as much skill as location in my opinion. :jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

stinkyattic

05-09-2009, 01:33 AM

Wow. Glad I logged in to say hello to everyone.
What's with the name-calling? 'Asshole'? 'Panties in a wad'? Thought we were all on thew same team. So much for that...

VanGogh001

05-09-2009, 03:54 AM

Yo it all depends on who? what? where? when? and how much? Indoor you got more control and outdoor you got mother nature to deal with. All depends on the person but i'll smoke it all. Say if someone passes me a joint and says this is outdoor I'm not about to say "Fuck that i only smoke indoor!".

wheres the love people, are we becoming elitists already?

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Italiano715

05-09-2009, 04:13 AM

"You said this was Endo. Taste more like outdo"

"Hey man! I ain't going to be supplying you if you keep talking about my shit"

-Friday (1995)

frostymcfailure

05-09-2009, 09:23 AM

The guy behind the counter mentions how the 'purple' cannabis is more potent. (folks...purple is only a color, it is not a sign of potency) Yeah man thats "quality" decomposed chlorophyll there, people dieing of cancer deserve to pay extra for that:wtf:. What shop was it? Theres some Good sites to review such sources on the cali med scene.

Shovelhandle

05-10-2009, 02:43 PM

Mississippi Steve

05-10-2009, 04:13 PM

I used to grow outdoors only. Moved indoors because of thieves. But, some outdoor crops grew better than the indoor crops I've had, some didn't. Shit Happens outdoors, Shit Happens indoors.

Talking about BS artists, I was having a brew with my bud the other day and he sez, "Yep, I know more about pot than most anyone". He turns over pounds of factory hydro (mids shit that is imposible to break down with out a grinder) and thinks it is the best weed money can buy. He also sez "Pot is pot" No nevermind sativa, indica, hybrid, they are all the same stuff. WTF?
Never mind that he hardly ever smokes, let alone trying other stuff. Oh Jesus, my fuckin head hurts. lol

Anyway. I do have three Blueberry plants growing indoors and three more that I moved outdoors. I will post a new thread when the testing begins. :jointsmile:

Let us know how it works out with the indoor/outdoor grow.

BTW... have you tried turning your bud on to some samples of a couple of strains of really good weed?? I had a bud that was of the same opinion... turned him around big time. :D

He has gotten to the point of giving his reg supplier a taste of some of my Ultra Haze and some of my NCDG then telling the guy to call him when he came up with something good, instead of the street weed he normally has. :thumbsup: The supplier wanted to know where he could get some of of that... he was told that tokers buy, and growers water :cool: