CFL, third grow, bagseed from EXCELLENT bag (popcorn)

[JD1stTimer]

I am growing these under CFLs. I have four pots I seeded directly in soil. Four pots with seeds germinated in paper towels. The direct-to-soil pots were planted on different days. I planted two pots Sunday, Apr 26 2009 with seed from a really old bag. The seeds may have been a year old and it was from shwag if I remember correctly. Those two have no growth except some mushrooms. BTW, my Miracle Grow soil with time-release fertilizer grew mushrooms 24 hours after I watered it the first time. Watch out for this soil evidently it's not sterilized.

Two others seeded directly into soil Monday night (4-27-09) from my really excellent bag of pot had all the seeds up Tuesday afternoon, and now I have little hempseeds sticking up on little stalks. :) When the shells come off and I have leaves I'll post a pic. That's quick germination, no?

For sowing directly into soil it has been my habit to put three in each pot then thin them once I figure out the strongest ones.

Also Monday night I put four of those seeds into a wet paper towel, and four of the old shwaggy seeds into a towel. The good seeds were about to split yesterday, and today (4-29-09) three out of four had their taproots out, so I planted them today. The ones which were already germinated went one pot for one seed. One had no taproot but it looked like it was about to crack.

I am hoping I don't have the same bad luck I had last time with both plants being males. I want to see how my cabinet I have posted about works for flowering these (hopeful) girls. I think I will spray the inside with flat white paint and cover the outside with black contractor bags, and make a flap to cover my intake and exhaust holes.

I am also testing the effect of chlorine in tapwater on the growth of cannabis. The two I sowed directly were watered with bottled spring water, and the four I germinated in towels were germinated in springwater but I used tapwater to water the pots I planted them in. My water is very hard and alkaline, and recently the chlorine was upped to the point where it makes the water taste funny. I will be posting pictures as soon as the hulls are off and the leaves appear. Right now all you can see is stalks with beans on top. They're cute but nothing you haven't seen a billion times.

BTW I got my popcorn for $60/half and it was excellent, as good as most dro I've had around here, but with some seeds (about 24 seeds per ounce). What I call two-hit shit (I have a high tolerance, being a daily smoker)

[syde00]

I am also testing the effect of chlorine in tapwater on the growth of cannabis.

I can tell you right now... it won;t do anything positive... chlorine will only serve to hurt the plants. They will be able to tolerate it to a point, but if your water has alot of chlorine you should probably remove it.

However, it is incredibly easy to remove from tap water. Just pour it into a large jug and let it sit on the counter for > 24 hours, all/most of the chlorine should evaporate in that much time.

The other benefit of leaving the water sitting out is that it adjusts to room temperature, so your not giving your plants a bit of a temperature shock every time you water

good luck!

[fluid69]

you leave the jug open i assume?

[syde00]

you leave the jug open i assume?

Yep, i should of said that... whatever container you have it in should not be sealed, otherwise as the chlorine evaporates the gas will not be able to escape the container, effectively stopping its evaporation until you open the container and it can 'breath'

if you need faster results you can also boil the water... make sure its not boiling hot when you give it to the plants though! you can also just leave it sitting in the sun for awhile... basically the warmer the water is, the faster the chlorine will evaporate... of course, the water will evaporate faster as well, but not nearly at the same rate as the water..if you go this route, just make sure you boil a larger amount of water than you actually need, because you will lose some of it... IMO, boiling is just a waste of energy though... just plan ahead and let it sit on the counter for a couple days... boiling it might also remove some other harmful products from the water too... but it will also kill any micro-organisms that may be living in the water, some of which may be beneficial... but i am neither a biologist or a chemist, so... :p

the other option is buying dechlorination drops/tablets to add to the water that will remove it... you can generally get these from any pet store that have aquarium supplies

[jakezking]

JD, I'm looking forward to your grow, bro. It sounds like you have plenty of action in the germination phase, and I know they will quickly become lil' seedlings. I love the early vegetation period, where you can really see the transition from seedling to plant - when the stem really begins to strengthen and thicken.

Good luck with all of your popcorn popping! I'm looking forward to seeing some pictures.

[JD1stTimer]

Well, that didn't take long! I got 8 out of ten germinated from the fresh tasty bagseed. So far none of the old shwaggy seed has come up. I removed those from the experiment, and I think I'll take all those ancient seeds I have collected in little tins and pill bottles and what not over the years and throw them on roadsides hoping some of them grow.

The reason I'm testing the effect of chlorine is not because I think it might be good for them. I know chlorine is bad. The thing is, I've always used plain tap water straight out of the faucet and I wanted to see exactly how much better it would be to use bottled water or dechlorinated water. I may even treat some water with my aquarium conditioner, although the warning not to use it on fish intended for food might change my mind on that one. I wouldn't want to smoke poison.

The pic of the one still down on soil level is one of the ones I put in a wet towel Monday, using spring water to wet the paper towel but I watered the soil with tap water. There were four of those seeds, and three sprouted. The other two of the three are just starting to peek out from under the soil.

The ones which are green already JUST turned green, in fact earlier this afternoon they were still kinda yellowish/purple cotyledons which I have never seen before. They were planted on Sunday. I planted three in each pot, which is my standard when planting. I intend to get rid of the two weaker seedlings once there's enough true leaves for me to make a good assesment.

The seeds which I germinated in paper towels I put one per pot, since I already knew whether they were germinated or not.

[albatrossSKY]

and so it begins......

i am subscribed.

[JD1stTimer]

They are all up now. I'm amazed how quick they are going, much faster than before. I guess having good herb makes better seeds, probably passed through less hands before it got to me. One seed germinated, but never put out the cotyledons, only the taproot. I guess I'll count that as a non-viable, giving me a viability rate of 7/10. Here's my five pots all together. The tough part will be deciding which seedling to get rid of in the double-planted pots. :( Oh well, it happens. I have to do the same thing in my vegetable garden. Is there anyone else who hates thinning plants as much as I do? I almost feel like I'm killing puppies or something.

[fluid69]

how big are your pots?

[Italiano715]

They are all up now. I'm amazed how quick they are going, much faster than before. I guess having good herb makes better seeds, probably passed through less hands before it got to me. One seed germinated, but never put out the cotyledons, only the taproot. I guess I'll count that as a non-viable, giving me a viability rate of 7/10. Here's my five pots all together. The tough part will be deciding which seedling to get rid of in the double-planted pots. :( Oh well, it happens. I have to do the same thing in my vegetable garden. Is there anyone else who hates thinning plants as much as I do? I almost feel like I'm killing puppies or something.

Maybe you should just transplant the extras into separate pots before they get too big....Plus with my experiences, the more vigorous growing seedlings ended up being my males:wtf: So never count the slower ones out as they could very well be the better ones! :thumbsup:

Either way I hope they bring you some dank and a huge harvest!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[JD1stTimer]

They are four inch pots. It's true that the biggest fastest growing ones are often males. However, if I have five plants chances are good to get at least one female right? I'm curious, when people have used bagseed from really excellent bud, has it generally bred fairly true? I don't need super-icky-gooey-danky-mcpurple-purp-funky-sneezer boutique quality, just some good daily smoke. :) If I can get just one good quality mother I don't think I even care about breeding, although that may change if laws change or my economic situation changes. :) I've never had a clone fail so far.

Do you think it's too late to try to separate the two seedlings? I also don't have quite enough room under my lights for two more pots. I would have to rotate them at intervals to make sure each one had some time in the sun. I know it's not the best setup, but I just lost most of my employment ten days ago, and even before that I have been strictly rationing my food due to poor cashflow, so more lights and equipment is a definite no at this time. Right now I have 46 watts of CFL over the babies.

[JD1stTimer]

WOW, this one has grown it's leaves much bigger in the course of HOURS! It's amazing to see a plant visibly grow not in days but hours. And the little fairy ring is cute! :) I don't think it's dangerous to the plants, AFAIK, most mushrooms are very specific in their feeding and if they are saprophytes they will only help convert the wood chips into usable nutrients, and won't attack living roots. Where's a tiny gnome when you need one? Or a teensy toad. :)

Oh, and these leaves look wider than what I have seen in past efforts. I think it may be more indica, which tells me the weed was grown by a pro, which is why it was so much better than what is commonly available here. (At decent prices anyway, I only paid 60/half for it.)

[fluid69]

definetly seperate your two into seperate pots. just stick them into solo cups etc... it shouldn't be too late.

[JD1stTimer]

Okay, I transplanted the seedlings. Now I have to stack some pots on top of eachother. :) I've done it before, once I sex the plants I can get rid of the crowdedness.

First off I dug a hole in the center of each pot I was going to put a seedling into.

Next I dug a small hole using a spoon as a shovel about one inch away from the seedling I intended to remove from the pot. I did this so I could dig out the seedling without crushing the roots (an empty spot for the soil to go into instead of compacting).

Then I put the spoon directly in the middle between the two seedlings, stuck it in as deep as I thought the roots would be, and scooped the spoonful of dirt containing the roots in the direction of the hole I had dug.

Then I just tugged gently on the stem, and there was some resistance so I dug a little deeper and tugged a bit until the seedling came free. Then I patted the soil back around the remaining seedling, place the roots of the dug-up seedling into the hole I dug in the other pot, patted the soil down around it, and I'm done!

Now I just need to wait and see if I have killed them. I guess I'll know by bedtime. :) Hopefully this is a good technique. If anyone has comments or suggestions I would love to hear it.

[JD1stTimer]

The one on the lower left of the picture is standing up again now. :) They all look great, no signs of wilting. I think they are just fine! :)

[JD1stTimer]

There likely won't be much to report for a few weeks now. I will post if something unusual happens, like the next set of leaves is a group of three or one of the plants dies or something. Otherwise, my next posting will be when they begin alternating nodes and then I'll post pics of clones going into my cabinet. :)

[JD1stTimer]

A few days ago I looked at a pot that had mushrooms in it but I thought the seeds in it were dead. Lo and behold, one stem wasn't a mushroom but a sprout. It's one of the twisty mutant seedlings. :) It seems to be growing very slowly, but hopefully it will get stronger and I hope it's female. :)

Also, I accidentally knocked one of my seedlings off the shelf and all the dirt fell out and I put the seedling back but some of the leaves are damaged. It looks like it'll survive though.

For the record, I see no difference so far in size or healthiness of the seedlings that are on spring water compared to the ones on tap water.

[JD1stTimer]

Here's a pic of the twisty plant. Does it not look like a caduceus? I haven't photoshopped this in any way whatsoever.

[JD1stTimer]

LOL, I thought another seed had sprouted when I saw this. It was actually just a mushroom which just happened to sprout with the empty shell of a hempseed on its cap.

[JD1stTimer]

The twisty plant that looked like a caduceus has radial instead of lateral symmetry. :) and the first two sets of leaves were one-leaflet leaves, the third set is four fingered. :) It's funny looking, and very stunted. I will keep updating on this little guy. BTW it's more frosty than the others. I hope it's a girl and yields some good stuff. :)

[JD1stTimer]

I decided to take clones off all my plants today. Some of them are so small I don't even think it will work. I want to find out how small is too small though, so might as well. And I like to make my plants bushy and branchy so even if they fail I won't be too disappointed. I'll just consider it pruning and try them again later when they have bigger branches. I don't know why some of them are so much smaller, and one plant seems to have a P deficiency. They are all in the same soil, but I have a feeling that Miracle Gro soil may not be mixed very well. There are mushrooms always popping up after I water, so I'm pretty sure they are seriously being cheap and cutting corners.

I like to cut my clones right above the third node, and when they have at least two nodes to go into the clone. No other reason than a superstition regarding the number three, and it has never failed me so far. This time I am expecting some failure due to using clones much tinier than any I have worked with before. Also I am using a jiffy tray with all eight clones inside instead of putting each clone in it's own pint glass. (I used to use a beer glass with a rocks glass nested in the top as a lid.) If one of them gets a mold, it may spread to all of them, and if that happens I will go back to the beer glass method. But I will keep my fingers crossed, because I don't want to be delayed the several weeks that would cost me.

Time for pics!! The first one is all the parent plants in their regular home in my closet. Next we have a top-down view of the mommies and daddies in my bathroom, ready for surgery. The third picture is the clones in their peat pellets, and I continued the theme of having four in spring water and four in tap water. I labeled the jiffy tray along the side so I will always know which clone was from which parent. The fourth picture is of the clone tray in their cabinet. The light fixture has two switches one of which controls a 23 watt cfl reptile uv light, which I will leave off until they root. I am starting them at 12/12 because the main point right now is just to sex them, although a nice j out of it would be a good bonus. :jointsmile:

Any comments or suggestions please reply! Thanks everybody! I'll keep you updated when they root or rot. :)

[JD1stTimer]

Gently took a peek at a couple of my clones. Looks like the larger ones are starting to root, the smaller ones not yet. The roots I saw were about 1/4 inch long, not too bad after only 5 days. I think I like the jiffy tray, having a little more air space seems to be a benefit.

Like I said before, I won't be too surprised if the smaller ones don't make it, but they still look green and un-wilted, so I've got my fingers crossed. The only bad thing if they don't make it is that I'll be delayed a bit in getting all my plants sexed, which I really want to do quickly. Yeah, I'm impatient. And I don't have room for all my mothers in bigger pots which I want to transplant them to, and some of them have roots coming out the drain holes already.

I added some water today, and I used tap water on all the pellets. I'll go back to the tap-vs-spring experiment once they are in soil again and have separate pots.

[JD1stTimer]

Three of my clones had roots coming out of the peat pellet. Time to plant them!!! One clone stays nice and crisp instead of wilting when I open the tray to ventilate, but I don't see any roots so that one will stay a few more days. Here's pics!!

The other four clones are the ones that I thought may be too small to root, although it's only been a week so I'm not giving up on them yet. At least not until their mother plants have enough vegetation to cut them again.

[JD1stTimer]

One of the clones is starting to flower. No surprise, the mother plant is also the first one to go alternate leaves. For some reason I am really dumb about the sex, to me it looks ambiguous. I am almost leaning towards female, but I don't see any pistils. Do the pistils appear exactly on time with the first calyxes or do they grow out from the calyx over a day or two?

Anyway, I made the cuttings 13 days ago, and all have rooted except for one, which I knew was the very weakest of all the cuttings. It is still alive though. However, the four which rooted more recently don't have roots big enough that I think I should put them in soil just yet, especially since the soil I am using has time-release ferts. (Yeah, it's the MG soil. Okay, so I get a tad of burn at the tips of some weaker plants, and then there is that period of time when you say "OMG, they're turning yellow! Two months is up! Time to feed! I know the cons of using this stuff, Fox Farm is where it's at, blah blah. I have limited local selection and I don't want to mail-order items intended specifically for cannabis. I live in a nasty bad state. They beat you and throw you in Huntsville for growing if you have to use a public defender.)

Here's pics of the brand-new baby flowers:

[JD1stTimer]

Hmmm. I found this picture on weedfarmer.com they say it is a male. http://www.weedfarmer.com/g2.2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=3501&g2_serialNumber=2 Looking at that I'm pretty sure this is a male. Anyone wanna confirm or deny? Appreciate it, and I don't know why sexing is still so difficult for me in the early stages.. :/ The females have pistils immediately as soon as they appear don't they? I read somewhere, can't remember where, that the first female flowers may not have pistils. Is this true or false? Anyway, if this is a male I'm gonna dry the little chunk at the top in my toaster and smoke it. I know it won't be fantabulous, but when I've been on a tolerance break I have gotten a buzz from fan leaves. It would be better than scraping resin and smoking it anyways. Oh well, one down 7 more to go amirite?

[MRDiff]

Take my opinion for what its worth. But Im pretty sure your correct about it being male. What parts do you plan on smoking? Just thought Id take note when I have to chop one down

[JD1stTimer]

Just from where the flowers are located and higher up, and from the mother plant I will smoke the tips where the leaves aren't folded out yet. I have found that the small, undeveloped leaves have almost as many trichomes as the large leaves. What I mean is, if there are over 9000 trichomes on a fully-grown leaf, there are 8000 on the baby leaf, but so much less actual leaf material to smoke.

I can't recommend it though, it is as good or even worse than shwag dirtweed and is way harsh on the throat. I am just completely dried up and broke at the moment. To me it's one step above smoking resin. And yes, I have smoked vegetative plants before. I am fully aware of how much it will suxxor.

[MRDiff]

I try to mix in my resin with my last bits of weed if Im scroungin. Its horrible to smoke straight up. I didnt realize the leaves contained trichomes like the buds.

[JD1stTimer]

No, not quite like the buds. Instead of a lush carpet of trichomes it's more like a light sprinkling of trichs. But the thing is, there seems to be almost as many on a small leaf as on a big one, but with less actual leaf to smoke. So you can actually get buzzed without choking to death. I can't say it's good, but I have no little bit of shake and I have just a little resin in my pipes.

Anyway, if you look in my pics of these flowers you can see the sparklies. Those are the trichomes. You can tell that they are scattered few and far between.

[MRDiff]

No, not quite like the buds. Instead of a lush carpet of trichomes it's more like a light sprinkling of trichs. But the thing is, there seems to be almost as many on a small leaf as on a big one, but with less actual leaf to smoke. So you can actually get buzzed without choking to death. I can't say it's good, but I have no little bit of shake and I have just a little resin in my pipes.

Anyway, if you look in my pics of these flowers you can see the sparklies. Those are the trichomes. You can tell that they are scattered few and far between.

Yeah I understand ya. If your gonna smoke leaves might as well be choosy about it. Your smaller ones are gonna be denser. Hopefully this holds ya over a little longer til harvest

[JD1stTimer]

Okay, so MrDiff and I both think it's male. If anyone disagrees or thinks it's too soon to tell let me know because I will chop the clone and it's mother before the end of the day. One down, seven to go.

[MRDiff]

Surpsied nobody else has chimed in. I found a pretty good page with some good photos of male preflowers. Check out the ones titled male preflower. They have me worrying about mine now. lol
Male or female? Cannabis sexing (http://www.weedfarmer.com/g2.2/main.php/male-female/)

[Italiano715]

Okay, so MrDiff and I both think it's male. If anyone disagrees or thinks it's too soon to tell let me know because I will chop the clone and it's mother before the end of the day. One down, seven to go.

:) It is a male, so if it's a clone then your mother wouldn't be a mother anymore :thumbsup: It's a transgendered ladie :D

[JD1stTimer]

lol good one. :)

[JD1stTimer]

Well, I just rolled up a pinner joint with some leaves and the flower of that clone that was male, and the two growing tips from his accursed father.

I put them in my toaster oven at 150o + convection for about 35 minutes. The leaves were crispy, the flower still had some slight moisture.

At first I thought "I can't believe I'm smoking something that tastes like a mix of newsprint, freshly mown hay, and rotten garbage." It was harsh on the throat, it a bit of a sting to it. DO NOT WANT.

But, now I have smoked it and I have the roach plus a fresh leaf in a small bubbler and I plan to smoke them, And also, I am HIGH. About .3 grams I think after it came out of the toaster. Maybe I am not tolerant anymore, but if the females are anywhere near as good as this one, that's gonna be some GREAT smokage. And I think they should be since it's from the same bag and all the plants basically look alike except one mutant which may even be from a hundred year old schwag mexibrick seed, so I think they would all have to be fairly similar. Although it appears there are two distinct phenotypes. Could one be the male and one be the female form? They run about half and half. One group has lots of tiny branches, and is much shorter and bushier, while this one came from taller, lankier, lesser lower branch development. You can definitely tell they are all related though, between each group you would almost think they were cloned. I guess it means the parents were a standardized line. Or maybe someone more skilled will look and say "Those are miles apart bud!" I dunno. Anyway, I'm gonna smoke this roach now. I'll keep you updated on the next clone that flowers, and I'll update my alternative sexing method thread also when I have another subject.

Oh, and this plant was "Spring A". So far I haven't noticed any difference in the spring and tap water plants. Since I can't really tell anything I'm just going to compare the average dry weight of any buds I get to make a conclusion on my spring vs. tap water experiment. Assuming that the potency is almost alike. Peace.

[JD1stTimer]

I potted two more clones today, now I have four in pots and three which still aren't rooted. I can't see flowers on any of my clones yet. Is this just a normal result of taking my cutting before the plants are sexually mature? I guess they will start flowering whenever the parent plants go to alternate leaves, just like what happened with the above-referenced male which I smoked. The parent plant was not rootbound, so I don't think the rest of the plants are either. They seem to be growing very slowly, could I have some kind of problem? I would say lack of light, but they are not stretching noticably. I do have gnats, maybe the larvae are putting too much hurt on the roots? Is there anything non-chemical I can put in the soil to kill them?

BTW, I put all the remaining leaves from the dad and son into a bubbler and smoked it, it tasted terrible and did not get me high. So for anyone who wants to be smoking the leaves, don't bother with fully expanded fan leaves, only go for the tender young growing tips and any flowers you have.

[JD1stTimer]

I was checking out my plants and I almost missed this. For some reason I really scrutinized this plant, and lo and behold, faintly visible, about 1 mm long, was this little item. I had to put a magnifying lens in front of my camera to get a picture of it, so it's a little wonky, but :thumbsup: it's a girl!

[JD1stTimer]

I checked the three remaining cuttings and two of them were rooted and I put them in soil! Yay! I'm giving up on that last one as it doesn't have even a root nodule. It came from a mutant and it was really tiny, only about an inch tall with a 2mm diameter stem, so I didn't really expect it to root. I will take another cutting from the parent plant today.

I have found that taking cuttings for sexing purposes really has no benefit until the leaves go alternate. You will just see your clones vegging and vegging under 12/12 until the parent plant starts alternating. How the clones know how old they are is beyond my comprehension, but there seems to be no advantage to early cloning, and I think it just hindered the growth of the plants with no benefits at all. It's okay though, I was impatient and for good reason. There's a good chance I may have to move within a few months, I just lost my other job which was paying my mortgage. My last paycheck from that job will arrive sometime in August. :(

[JD1stTimer]

Started LST on Spring G, the first known female. I also have a pic of her mother's nodes for the alternate sexing thread.

[JD1stTimer]

I have a question which I cannot seem to find information on. When a plant is just barely starting to flower, is the trichome production greatly diminished and increases as the bud grows?

I really don't see very many crystals and I am wondering if this will improve over time or whether it is poor genetics, poor environment, or both. I can't seem to find any pics of teeny tiny eensy weensy baby buds to compare against. Of course, the bud is almost entirely leaf material at this point, but I am almost thinking that all the new material growing should be stinky and sparkly. If anyone has macros of their first beginnings of bud development I would really like to see. Thanks. :)

[fluid69]

it'll be a little bit before they get crystals. I'm growing some bagseed myself, so here's a couple of pics.

pic #1 some where around 2 weeks of 12/12
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pics #2 & #3 are around 3 weeks. almost over night they frosted over.
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pics #4 & #5 are around 5 weeks
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I also have a plant that appears to be a sativa dominant. It looked about the same as my indicas till about week three, but it still has no sign of crystals to speak of. I'm thinking it's going to be atleast a 10wk strain.

[JD1stTimer]

Thanks fluid, that's exactly what I needed to see. :) I feel a lot better now. Oh my lights and fan just turned on in my cab gonna check if any more clones have sexed yet. I've increased my dark time to a little more than 12 hours to try to speed up sexing it seems to take forever though that's probably just due to the cutting being taken from immature plants. The mothers are only just starting to grow alternately. :)

[JD1stTimer]

Tapwater F showed his balls today. :( His little flower and the growth tips of his dad are in my toaster drying now. I guess I have smoke tonight!! So far that's two male, one female, and five unknown.

[JD1stTimer]

Another male, another female!! I'm gonna be choking on some nasty boy-leaf, but at least it smokes, and I got one more set of plants out of my grow area. I have a good example of why sexing can be so difficult and why it's sometimes tough to call a plant male and chop it. I will post a pic of the LST on the female in a few hours, and update the alternate sexing thread as well. Oh and a pic of the previously sexed female. So far it looks like she's gonna put out a decent bud, it doesn't seem to be stretching much at all. The count so far is three males, two females, and three unknown. Oh and I got a clone of the twisty plant. I put the cutting in a jiffy peat pellet four days ago and there are now roots coming out of the net.

Pic #1 is the balls on the male. Pic #2 shows a pistil on the female. Pic #3 is another angle of that same plant. This is why sexing is so difficult. I almost said "BALLZ!" and culled this plant, but when I looked with a magnifying glass I saw that they were actually the first sprouts of new branches getting started. I almost made a big mistake. So for everyone out there anxious about chopping a plant you think is male but you're kinda not too sure, wait another day or two. You may kill a good plant.

[JD1stTimer]

Okay, so far spring water has produced two males and a female, tap water has produced one male and one female. When I saw the study that indicated feminization of plants due to excess nitrogen it gave me an idea that nutrition may play a role in cannabis sex. And since I am already doing an experiment on spring water versus tap, I figure it wouldn't hurt to keep track of which water produced which sexes. If it is lopsided enough that I think it warrants further study I will make a thread about it in the advanced techniques section.

Now on to the pics!! I have a pic of Tap E which I just started on LST, a full view of Spring G and three close-ups of Spring G. I don't know where the blue bits are coming from, you don't see that when you look at the plant. It's something the camera is picking up for some reason.

I'm happy at how much her trichomes are increasing, but I'm wondering why she isn't producing much odor. Perhaps it's because I sleep in the same room with all the mother plants? Could I be desensitizing my nose to the odor?

[Italiano715]

Ummm, you just started LST and its' in flower? Save the LST for the veg stage next time. Doing that may cause your lady to stress and could/may hermie on you (knock on wood). Looks pretty frosty though for being so early in flowering! :thumbsup:

[JD1stTimer]

How would it do that if I didn't damage the stem? There's no impediment to the flow of water through the stem... I don't doubt you but I'm curious the mechanism in action.

[Italiano715]

Just cause you didn't damage the stem in anyway doesn't mean it doesn't stress them hence LST (Low Stress Training) I'm not saying it will do anything to it, I was just stating that their is a possibility it could. Sometimes any little stress in flower can be damaging and sometimes it shows no significant problems.

[JD1stTimer]

Okay, I'll keep a close eye on it. Damn now if it goes herm I don't know if it's extra susceptible = bad genetics or if I screwed it up. Hopefully it doesn't, but if it does I'll just make another clone and see. :)The lowest flowers are lookinf yummy too, I can already see the crystals!! Something I only saw a tiny bit of on my first grow. Like four trichomes on each individual calyx lol. The first calyxes that appeared on this one are COVERED in clear mushrooms. :)

[sheist]

how old are they now from initial cut?

[JD1stTimer]

Lets see... it's here in my grow log somewhere... they were cut on the 27th of May, so about 25 days. It took forever to flower because they were very small cuts, about 3" average and the parents weren't alternating nodes yet.. still immature. It went into 12/12 directly from cutting and started flowering June 12.

[sheist]

o wow, directly from cutting? I thought they were supposed to get morethan 12/12 during the initial stage to develop a root system.. if that's not the case I might trythe same for my clones

[JD1stTimer]

Well, unless you have a lot of clones I don't recommend it. I am only making clones for sexing purposes. I don't care about yield ATM, and I may have to move before too long so I don't want to have some huge amount of bud that I would have to cut too early. I just wanted to sex them ASAP and get some mothers.

I have an update BTW. Another male and another female showed up. The male was tapwater H and the female was spring water B, so that's two males and two females for spring water, tap water has produced two males and one female. There is one tapwater plant left which hasn't sexed, so mineral concentration in the water seems to not influence the sex of cannabis much if any.

Something is a bit strange with the seeds I grew. All the short stubby super-branchy plants were male, and all the tall skinny lanky plants were female. Does anyone know of some strains that show this odd characteristic? I am glad I didn't use plant shape to "pre-select" which plants I thought were likely to be females cause I would have been screwed. Here's a pic that shows the comparison before I started cutting them, the male plants are all towards the front because I put the tallest ones in the back, and that little sativa-dominant on the left is still unsexed, but it's from a different bag of nasty shwag anyways: Cannabis Forums Message Boards - Medical Marijuana, Cannabis Club, Dispensary, News (http://boards.cannabis.com/attachments/grow-log/218846d1243438347-cfl-third-grow-bagseed-excellent-bag-popcorn-imgp0753.jpg)

Here's pics of the male and female, the male now being roasted and ready to roll in a joint. Not too tasty but will give me a buzz I think, if past experience is any indication. After the pic of the male flower is a pic of the branchiness of his father. I've never heard of anything like that before. I also have some new pics of my current starlet, Spring G. She is really looking a lot nicer, and has TRICHOMES like I never thought I would see without shelling out $20/g for it!! The third pic is Spring G's little bud taken without the flash, the fourth is the same shot but with the flash, and that blue color doesn't show in regular light which is why I take a flash picture and non-flash. The flash looks unrealistically "juicy" like it's been photoshopped or something. The last pic is an extreme closeup taken with the flash (That fakey juicy effect IS kinda fun even if a bit misleading :D).

[JD1stTimer]

Most of the trichs on Spring G which was my first girl to show sex are cloudy now. :) I was going to start using Jack's African Violet Food on it because the lowest leaves are turning a sort of orangy autumn color and I think the MG soil has run out of nutes but I guess if it's mostly cloudy it won't be too long before I start seeing some amber and it will be time to chop. Looks like I might get .5-.75 g from her although I may be overestimating quite a bit lol. It'll definitely be enough to know whether she's good or not.

My other females aren't developing much crystals yet. The sativa-dominant hasn't sexed yet, if she doesn't sex soon I may get rid of it, but I kinda want to see what happens with it.

I wonder if it's too late to start adding molasses to my water... hmmm.

[JD1stTimer]

I have a picture update on Spring G. She sure is pretty especially to be so small. I'm definitely going to veg my next clone and use LST to at least get a stem looped around the entire circumference of one of my pots. I think that'd be about the right amount I want per plant from her. Anyway, here's pics.

The closeup pic is what I see all the way from the bottom to the top of that little bud. Mmm, can't wait for those trichs to start going amber! I did use some nutes, I used the jack's classic african violet food at 1/4 tsp. per gallon of spring water. If I start seeing amber trichs I'm gonna flush the hell out of her with plain distilled water I guess. BTW, my tapwater averages 8.5 pH with a range between 8.1 and 9.5 throughout the water distribution system, and a ca/mg hardness of 115 if I remember our water quality report correctly.

[irydyum]

So much information in this thread to try to digest in one helping but one thing that is sticking out in my mind was something i read early on in the thread about trichromes.

I realize that you smoked vegging plants out of necessity not desire, but you said that you saw trichromes on them and something about small leaves having slightly less or something.

The bottom line is that the entire plant, with the exception of stem and root, contains thc and other cannabinoids. Thusly getting you stoned, albeit unpleasant getting there, but there none the less.

Trichromes don't appear until flowering. The exact week will depend on the strain, but in my experience, it's usually around week 3 that they begin to push hard. Trichromes are the most CONCENTRATED storage center of cannabinoids in the plant which is why we all want frosty nugs. They swell up with rich resin throughout flowering, until they start to oxidize and turn rust colored, signifying that your smoke has reached ripeness.

I just wanted to put this in here in the event that someone else may have been confused reading in here. I'm gonna linger for a minute, but if you have anything for discussion, i'll try to keep my eye on here.

[JD1stTimer]

Your mango looks really nice irydyum. :)

[Italiano715]

Shit's looking frosty! :thumbsup: Looks to be like it's going to be some nice smoke! Kudos my man!

[JD1stTimer]

Oh yeah! I just can't wait until I actually grow that one out some before flowering.... mmm. :)

[JD1stTimer]

The little sativa just flowered. That took forever, but I guess that's what sativas do. I hope it turns out good smoke.

[EnhAnceD]

wow looking good.
theres so much more information I need to get, cloning, trimming, nutes and all that. So much info. what was your estimated flower time period and where are you now. I do realize this was more of a test but Im curious to know. I cant believe all the tricomes you have. Wow

[JD1stTimer]

Well, it was bagseed so I don't know what traits it would have. I put it in 12/12 directly from cutting on May 27th and I'm just going to watch for amber trichomes to decide when to harvest. I named her Audrey III by the way.

I have a couple quick questions: when all your sugar leaves are completely coated in big fat trichs is it still expected to cut them to the level of the calyxes when trimming? I'm definitely going to cut out the fan leaves, but I have a hard time thinking of those sugar leaves as trim Every single one and a couple of the fan leaves has a coating of trichs just like in the picture above.

Another question, is this clone going hermie? I am an idiot at telling apart male flowers from newly developing branches for some reason.

There's a picture of a mite I took while practicing macro shots. These mites seem to spend most of their time crawling around on the dirt, the outsides of the pots, and on the leaves but they don't seem to have any particular interest in the leaves, so I'm guessing these guys either eat dead stuff or they are predatory. They do seem to have an inverse relationship with fungus gnats, I mean I see less gnats when I see more mites. Are these mites the good guys? I don't necessarily feel a need to use pest control chems just because I see some crawlies, especially if I don't know what they are.

Last theres an exterior and interior shot of my veg area. Since lightproofing is not an issue in veg it's not nearly as elaborate as a flowering cabinet would be.

[EnhAnceD]

hmm I have no experience with bugs, I was at the homedepot yesturday and found some organic natural bug removal stuff. I dont have bugs so I havent invested yet. They are looking nice btw.

[greenatik]

trimming is up to your preference. if its really frosty no need to trim off the leaves but a well manicured bud does look nice

[greenatik]

sup JD? good growin going on in here. definitely cool watching you sex out the plants. soon as I get some more room I'm going to be doing that with my urkle seeds.

that bug really isn't a problem (if i'm correct) its a white blind springtail. they eat dead organic matter in the medium and should actually die (mine did) after adding nutes.

they come in different shapes, sizes, and colors but check out these pics and decide for yourself

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/37/94484378_9227adfb2e.jpg?v=0

http://www.myrmecos.net/insects/Entb2.JPG

peace and keep up the good work :rasta:

[JD1stTimer]

I don't think it's a springtail I believe it is a predatory mite. I guess I'm gonna put that clone back into the flowering cab. I've torn it up a bit though trying to remove that little thing and see what was inside. I learned nothing useful. :)

[greenatik]

those pics arent the best because those are true blind springtails, but I'm pretty sure what you have is a sort of springtail. if their isn't any damage to the leaves that is.

type springtail into google images and you'll see the wide variety i'm talkin about. from brown to white to short to long. and they usually just crawl around the top of the soil/pots like you described

anyways i'd sure hope it was a springtail! I'd keep a real close eye on the leaves and personally, spray them down right away with neem oil or something similar just in case.

GL :thumbsup:

[JD1stTimer]

I can actually see the mite I have looked at it with a magnifier and it is definitely not a springtail. And they have no interest in the plant except as a place to walk around. My bigger concern is whether I have a hermie actually.

[irydyum]

IMHO, the 2 flowering pics in your last post both show a male flower. Hard to tell by the color in the pic, but if they look whitish or yellow, then it is for sure.

People have told me that you can pull off the nanners if you can see em, but every time I have seen a hermie, I have seen seeds. I normally kill them asap as a precaution.

Food for thought for you though. How do you think you got the bagseed in the first place? Odds are, most of your bagseed beans are the result of hermaphing rather than rogue males. Much more likely that a hermaph snuck under the radar than a male. Suffice it to say, that means most bagseed beans are going to lean toward being hermie. God bless seed banks and breeders.

[JD1stTimer]

Yes, of course. Although it may not be a genetic problem necessarily. It was really really excellent weed obviously grown by someone who knew what they were doing. I would have to think that most likely the light cycle got screwed up because someone who is that skilled would be checking for herms and using plants with low tendency to herm. It would have sold for $20/gram instead of $60/half if it weren't for seeds, so my guess is that a screw-up happened in the grow. The plant that I have named Audrey III has just an absolutely gorgeous perfect bud, tight and compact, sticky gooey not too much odor, but nice aroma so she's a keeper for sure. I'll update when I chop her. In the meantime I have put the possible herm back into my flowering cab and I have my fingers crossed that no pollen sacs open up and seed all my clones, although it wouldn't be a big loss, just close to a gram. I wonder how much damag I did to it trying to pick out those little round things.. hehe if it wasn't herm before I may have "fixed" it :)

[irydyum]

Yes, of course. Although it may not be a genetic problem necessarily. It was really really excellent weed obviously grown by someone who knew what they were doing. I would have to think that most likely the light cycle got screwed up because someone who is that skilled would be checking for herms and using plants with low tendency to herm. It would have sold for $20/gram instead of $60/half if it weren't for seeds, so my guess is that a screw-up happened in the grow.

Not trying to nit pick what you are doing there, but isn't this whole statement just support for what I said previously. You grew seeds from a crop that you feel was hermied by poor light discipline, or extended power outage, or whatever the light may have done. What part of that doesn't suggest that your hermies are a result of the genetics you began with? You grew seeds from a genetically inferior crop, and you are getting the same result. Am I crazy here for seeing it this way?

I have had plenty of issues with power outages and such in the last couple years, but I finally have my hands on proper genetics and it seems that good genetics make a much better margin of error for the grower. I suppose this is all just one growers opinion tho, so take it for what it's worth.

Keep pushin!!

[EnhAnceD]

hmm. interesting at least. So when and why would a plant go hermie. Iv been reading the threads but havnt come upon one that explained better. If your plant is male its just going to grow seeds, if your plants a female obv flowers(bud). But if you mess up lighting, damage, stuff along that nature your plant could go female male and grow grate buds but lots of seeds and thats how we end up with seeds in the weed?

[headshake]

Yes, of course. Although it may not be a genetic problem necessarily. It was really really excellent weed obviously grown by someone who knew what they were doing. I would have to think that most likely the light cycle got screwed up because someone who is that skilled would be checking for herms and using plants with low tendency to herm. It would have sold for $20/gram instead of $60/half if it weren't for seeds, so my guess is that a screw-up happened in the grow.

it's not hard to miss a nanner, especially on a bigger grow. and it doesn't take long for one to grow, make a flower and send pollen on it's way.

how many seeds did it have in it if it went from $20/g to $60/half? way to many obviously. so that would lead me to believe that the person growing it might not have had such a good grasp on the situation.

maybe i'm reading it wrong?


Not trying to nit pick what you are doing there, but isn't this whole statement just support for what I said previously. You grew seeds from a crop that you feel was hermied by poor light discipline, or extended power outage, or whatever the light may have done. What part of that doesn't suggest that your hermies are a result of the genetics you began with? You grew seeds from a genetically inferior crop, and you are getting the same result. Am I crazy here for seeing it this way?

I have had plenty of issues with power outages and such in the last couple years, but I finally have my hands on proper genetics and it seems that good genetics make a much better margin of error for the grower. I suppose this is all just one growers opinion tho, so take it for what it's worth.

Keep pushin!!

i hear what you are saying irydyum. makes perfect sense. i've even heard of unscrupulous seed vendors selling seeds from a hermie as female.


hmm. interesting at least. So when and why would a plant go hermie. Iv been reading the threads but havnt come upon one that explained better. If your plant is male its just going to grow seeds, if your plants a female obv flowers(bud). But if you mess up lighting, damage, stuff along that nature your plant could go female male and grow grate buds but lots of seeds and thats how we end up with seeds in the weed?

a plant can go hermie any time during flower (not sure about veg, if you let it veg long enough?). this can happen for many different reasons. pH problems, nute problems, lighting problems, flowering time and genetics like pointed out above. those aren't all of them, just giving you an idea.

in nature this is a way of continuing on the family lineage, so to speak. the reason female flowers grow so big is because their whole mission is to collect pollen. so they grow in hopes of catching some. as a cannabis plant comes to the end of it's life cycle and it still doesn't get pollinated it can grow "nanners", or male sex organs, release pollen, pollinate, make seeds, die and the lineage goes on.

the seeds you would get will be all female, as they will be a 100% genetic replica (only female DNA was ever used). but as mentioned, a lot of times the beans of a hermie have a propensity to hermie.



-shake

[JD1stTimer]

You can make even the greatest of genetics go herm. Every plant has a certain amount of stress you can put on it before it will herm. The tendency is what gets passed on. Not the herm itself. If it was because of a light problem then minus the light problem, minus the herm.

This wasn't feminised seed though, which pretty much contradicts what I said. The grower didn't have a herm, he had a male that he didn't catch in time. Probably a short branchy male that looked like a female and just got overlooked somehow. Which would explain why my males were so short and branchy. :)

Enhanced: They can go hermie from genetic predisposition (do not want, kill it, throw away all seeds if there are any.) or from environmental stress. It's something that is meant to ensure their survival if something bad happens and they think they will die before they get pollinated.

Males do not produce seeds they produce pollen. Females produce flowers, and if the flowers get pollinated, then the flowers produce seeds.

Anyway, I know for sure that I got at least one excellent mother plant so I will definately be keeping her.

The one that I was picking at yesterday looks kinda ugly now so I might just cut it early and try growing her again. Her stem broke in flowering (I was trying to train her and she was too brittle already) so if it is a herm that could be what caused it and not genetics. If I grow it perfectly this time and it herms then I will get her out of my life hehe. She tries to stretch more and just doesn't seem to be bulking up as well as the other one anyway.

I might get rid of the sativa. It has been taking its sweet time and it hasn't even budded yet, just shown sex. And she is doing her best to stretch into my light.

One other plant looks like she might come out real good. She seems a tad bit slow though. Who knows maybe I should just keep my best and chop the rest. I think it would be wise to finish all four of them though just to be sure with the exception of the sativa if she just takes forever and ever and ever. She was meant for outdoors anyway, which isn't doable at my house.

[irydyum]

hmm. interesting at least. So when and why would a plant go hermie. Iv been reading the threads but havnt come upon one that explained better. If your plant is male its just going to grow seeds, if your plants a female obv flowers(bud). But if you mess up lighting, damage, stuff along that nature your plant could go female male and grow grate buds but lots of seeds and thats how we end up with seeds in the weed?

When and why would a plant go hermie? Poor light discipline, extreme temperature shock, water stress, pretty much anything you can do to send a shock through the system COULD cause a hermie but doesn't guarantee one.

This is beneficial in the creation of femenized seeds, but the trick is, you have to harvest the pollen from the hermied plant, and use it to pollinate a HEALTHY plant. That is how the seedbanks are getting em last I read.

Common misconception with new growers, male plants do not grow seeds. They grow pollen, the pollen travels via air to the pistils on the female, the pistil sends the pollen down into the calyx, and there the magic happens. The only thing the male grows is pollen, not seeds. It lacks the female reproductive organs, can't have 2 dudes making a kid now can we? Be a much stranger place if we could, I think.

Your last sentence is correct, that is what you end up with (hopefully) if you mess something up and the plant self pollinates.

[Italiano715]

Also, you can catch the pollen from any plant (hermie or male) and control pollinate the lower bud sites on your plant that don't get a lot of the light. That way you can still get seed for future grows, but then you won't have a whole seeded crop! Only the bud sites your introduced the pollen too! :jointsmile:

[irydyum]

You can make even the greatest of genetics go herm. Every plant has a certain amount of stress you can put on it before it will herm. The tendency is what gets passed on. Not the herm itself. If it was because of a light problem then minus the light problem, minus the herm.

I hope i wasn't misread here. I wasn't trying to say that my genetics won't go hermaph if I wanted them too. I'm just saying that in the normal day to day shit we go through as growers, power out, missing h2o for a day, small light leak, these things don't seem to have as much effect on STABLE genetics as they do on random bagseeds. I'm really over this though, I'm not trying to tell you not to grow, what to grow, or that your plants suck, I'm just trying to offer a rational explanation for people who keep running into hermaphrodidic bagseed.

[JD1stTimer]

Yeah of course. I know where herms come from. I just don't know in this particular instance if it was genetic or due to breaking the stem. Anyway I cut it up and quick-dried it and I'm going to flower another clone of it and see what happens.

Although in a way I am thinking I have one great mother plant, why mess around with any that aren't the best. But then again you don't know for sure until you sample bud that has gone to full ripeness and been dried and cured properly, you weigh it, etc then you know for sure which plant is best. Although you do have clues along the way.

[irydyum]

Some things will just never change Shake. I swear, we should all just re-invent the wheel, apparently years of success amount to nothing anymore.

I should have just followed my instincts and stayed away from this one, but there was some confusing information in here that bothered me so I couldn't.

JD- Best of luck to you and all your named ladies and trannys and whatever else you may see on your journey to curing. I'm sorry I keep challenging everything, it's just my nature. I try to stick with facts and not speculations or hypotheses, so forgive me that.

I figured everyone on here was like me, in search of the BEST possible smoke they could have, but it would appear that some just want to show what they are doing and defend all of their missteps, which I suppose is cool too, just not one I should be involved in.

[JD1stTimer]

Irydyum I don't get your point. Are you saying that you somehow know what caused that plant to go hermie? Maybe it was genetic. Maybe it was because I stressed it by trying to train it in flowering. Thanks to the advice of HeadShake I won't be trying that again. That was good critique on my grow, it was helpful and informative. :thumbsup:

If you know the answer to this question, then tell me, was it due to genetics or stress? Also if you somehow know that bit of info please tell me how you know. I am trying to decide if I should keep that mother or not.

I am simply documenting what I'm doing and where my logic is coming from. The reason I say the weed was grown by someone who knows what they were doing is because it tasted great, smelled great, looked great, got me high as fuck, it was trimmed right, dried and cured right, in short, it was weed of a quality you do not produce if you aren't taking the time, effort, and have the experience to do things right. BTW it had maybe 12-15 seeds in the half-o. And it was from a male somewhere, not a hermie, because about half of the plants I grew were full-on males.

If my techniques aren't valid I would like input on that, and the reason why. And I don't think complaining about the poor genetics that bagseed growers encounter is very helpful to anybody. Okay, buying seeds is not an option for me, either financially or from having a safe place to ship it to. Same goes for lighting, nutes, containers, odor control... there is no grow shop and I don't want to ship this stuff in. The choices here are Lowe's, Home Depot, Target, and Wal-Mart. And I have a financial problem too, so maybe my shit isn't elite like yours. Does that mean that I don't know I could have a better grow if I start with some sweet-ass known female Purple Urkle clones from San Fuckingcisco and used 1000w HID lighting and a fancy carbon scrubber, maybe some thermal shielding to avert the FLIR? Of course I know that, and I know I'll have better yields if I veg my clones a few weeks before putting them in flower. I put them under 12/12 directly from cutting for a certain reason, which was to get rid of the males quick so I don't have to fuck around with them and risk spilling pollen. Now I am just finishing out the flowering of the females so I can figure out which plants are doing the best with what I can give them. So far I have a female which has a gorgeous little bud on her, and I guarantee you it's going to smoke great! Right now I think she's so good I'll never let her get lost, and I guarantee you at some point I'm going to cross her with herself so I can put the seeds in a vault somewhere. So no joke that I named her. Wow that is so dumb and frivolous, isn't it? Especially to someone like you whose plants already had names you didn't even have to think of. Who knows, maybe one day you will be buying the strain Audrey IV and telling some noobs how no wonder they got herms because bagseed is no match for Audrey IV. And guess what? It will be a strain that thrives in low lighting, has a low odor profile, clones as easy as pie, and is resistant to going herm. Who knows maybe when I'm developing the strain I will use herm resistance as a trait I select for!!

I have to use seeds from the best seeded weed I get my hands on and pick the best plants from that. And the best seeded bags aren't crazy-ass chock full of seeds. Those seedy bags are all field-grown sativas, an example of which can be seen in various pictures in this grow log. And unless something real special happens with her flowering she is gonna get composted. In fact I think she is gone tomorrow if I still feel the same way. So far she has just continued stretching into my light fixture and not flowering except preflowers. Although it has only been two or three days since she showed sex.

The thing is, I only have four mothers and good seeds are hard for me to get a hold of, clones are impossible to find which makes it more important that I don't compost a great plant by something simple like not finishing out flowering to do a taste test before deciding. So if my herm was caused by stress there's a chance she's still a keeper. This little incident just means I won't know that for a few more weeks. Sure bending her was a noob mistake. Does that show enough humility, for me to admit I made a mistake?

You try to stick with facts, not speculations or hypotheses. Well where do you think your facts came from? They were already known from time immemorial? I bet at some point they weren't facts at all, they were just speculations and hypotheses until someone decided "Hey, I'm gonna find a way to determine the truth about this", and they did experiments to find out. I've heard that chlorine in tapwater will hurt your plants. It sounds plausible. Some people here may swear it will damage your plants. I gave half my plants tapwater and half of them springwater. At least in my setup there is NO difference I can tell so far. To me it is a fact that tapwater does not hurt your plants. My water is also very very hard and very alkaline. Apparently that isn't causing a problem as compared to my springwater plants. Maybe with a better setup, or with better genetics there could be a difference, but if I have someone new who is using soil and CFL and wants to know if tapwater is okay, I am going to tell him that it's just fine for that situation, because for me there was no discernible difference. So is that speculation and hypothesis? It WAS before I tested it.

Maybe you should have read more of my posts before criticising what you consider to be arrogance toward the wizened sages, and belittle the fact that I named a plant, and to try to bring in Headshake who I know has some REAL wisdom and great advice to anyone who is really trying to work hard and find the answers on their own. But I am pretty sure he won't go for your bait. I guess everyone here ISN'T like you, though we all want the best possible smoke. I happen to also want to know what factors DON'T harm your smoke, and what factors DON'T help your smoke. That is why sometimes I do things that I have HEARD are bad. Where's the study? Who has tried it on some plants and compared them side by side?

Well, I ENJOY that process, and I learned from this little grow that with MG time-release soil, CFL lighting, small pots and small plants, and whatever seeds I managed to get, using bottled water instead of tap offers no benefit. Maybe I will do it again but using all clones from the same plant instead from different plants. And if I offend you by "re-inventing the wheel" instead of doing whatever you tell me to do, then you have a thin skin.

[irydyum]

And if I offend you by "re-inventing the wheel" instead of doing whatever you tell me to do, then you have a thin skin.

I think that quote there is a little ironic.

Wow what a difference context makes. Sorry to have polluted your thread man.

Shake, sorry to have tried to bring you down to my level, whatever that level is.

Just trying to share some experience and knowledge, and rather than give answers right away, I normally try to make someone think them out for themselves. If this comes off as arrogant, well I guess you just can't please em all.

Best of luck.

[JD1stTimer]

Some things will just never change Shake. I swear, we should all just re-invent the wheel, apparently years of success amount to nothing anymore.

I should have just followed my instincts and stayed away from this one, but there was some confusing information in here that bothered me so I couldn't.

JD- Best of luck to you and all your named ladies and trannys and whatever else you may see on your journey to curing. I'm sorry I keep challenging everything, it's just my nature. I try to stick with facts and not speculations or hypotheses, so forgive me that.

I figured everyone on here was like me, in search of the BEST possible smoke they could have, but it would appear that some just want to show what they are doing and defend all of their missteps, which I suppose is cool too, just not one I should be involved in.


In what universe is your post NOT arrogant? In one post you imply that someone else agrees with you, which you have no idea whether or not Headshake agrees, you throw the "years of experience" card and dismay that it doesn't matter to me (Which I have no knowledge of other than from your bagseed grow in September and your mango growlog started in June. Not that I don't believe you, I do. You don't produce great herbs like that without experience. Even if that Sept. grow was your first Christmas tree lot, those two years of studying before putting a seed in the ground did wonders.)

Then you say there was something so confusing that despite all your best instincts to the contrary you felt a need to jump in and set it straight.

Next paragraph you wish me luck but then insult me. And the next paragraph is more insults along with some brags for your own high standards in weed and an appeal to others to side with you because hell, who's against BEST weed? Then, to top it all off, although you already mentioned that it was against your instincts to even jump on this topic, you say that you shouldn't be involved in this discussion which you claim is just someone trying to defend mistakes.

I think if you are going to jump on my grow log with this bullshit you owe it to me and everyone else reading this to quote what it was that was so confusing you just couldn't handle it, what mistakes I defended, and what help you tried to give that I didn't listen to or respect. I challenge you, and if you post again without either a straight apology no insults, or even veiled insults, or the quotes I'm asking for or a combination thereof I'm going to bring your jacking of my thread to the attention of the mods. If they don't punish you I think they will at least clip this whole bullshit out of my growlog.

What I won't do is post on your growlog that pinching the tops of colas is bad and it's just speculation and hypothesis, and you need square three-gallon pots instead of round so you can fit more of them in the same size space, because I think everyone on here wants the most production possible right, and then if you don't respond in the way I expect criticize you for not caring about all my experience and criticize other aspects of your grow. (And I don't intend to do that BTW. When you weigh the buds of the ones you top and compare to the ones you didn't top you will know if it works or not. I have no idea if it's good or bad. And with the shape of pots, having more plants would also mean that more of the foliage is shaded by other foliage, which would have a negative impact on yield. It may give an increase, the same, or a decrease.)

Again, we will settle this like adults so I welcome either a sincere apology, quotes to back up your position, or no response at all. I don't want to go pestering mods, I haven't had to do it yet (unless it was when I first joined and I forgot) and I don't want to.

[FakeBoobsRule]

Some people need to chill.

[BlewBerry]

...W...O...W...they come out swinging in the third round with brutal blows to the head...

[EnhAnceD]

kaBOOM...nice buddy.

[JD1stTimer]

Ok, I guess I'm stuck with all the cruft in my log. Oh well.

I'm thinking it's about time to chop the first bud from this grow. It has had almost all cloudy trichs for quite a while now with no sign of amber. It seems to have quit growing at any noticeable pace and then fan leaves have been yellowing and falling off. I took some tiny samples from lower parts of the stem and they tasted good despite having been quick dried. I have another clone of Audrey III that I plan to veg for a while before putting in my flowering cab. Do you guys think I should start flushing now or just continue my regular routine for a while?

I am curious, will clones from the same plant finish in about the same timeframe regardless of how large they are when flowering is initiated?

Anyway, here's some bud porn:

[Italiano715]

Ok, I guess I'm stuck with all the cruft in my log. Oh well.

I'm thinking it's about time to chop the first bud from this grow. It has had almost all cloudy trichs for quite a while now with no sign of amber. It seems to have quit growing at any noticeable pace and then fan leaves have been yellowing and falling off. I took some tiny samples from lower parts of the stem and they tasted good despite having been quick dried. I have another clone of Audrey III that I plan to veg for a while before putting in my flowering cab. Do you guys think I should start flushing now or just continue my regular routine for a while?

I am curious, will clones from the same plant finish in about the same timeframe regardless of how large they are when flowering is initiated?

Anyway, here's some bud porn:

They should, as they are EXACT copies (per-se) of the mother plant.

[JD1stTimer]

Cool, thanks Italiano, and thanks for the advice not to do LST in flowering. From now on it's veg only. :)

[Italiano715]

Also, were you asking about flushing your budding plants? I usually flush 3 weeks before harvest during flower. Two weeks for flushing and the last week for the pre-dry. Which means don't water your lady at all the last week before harvest.

Looking tasty by the way :thumbsup:

[EnhAnceD]

Cool, thanks Italiano, and thanks for the advice not to do LST in flowering. From now on it's veg only. :)

Early in veg you want to start lst. and stopping 2 weeks before flower is a good idea as well.
Really only leaves a week or two to lst depending on how long you veg, but it helps.
I tried to lst on my first grow, but I started too late, almost a week before flowering. BUT I was able to get multiple colas coming up and Iv used 4100kalvin and 2700kalvin clfs to provide "a better" light spectrum to induce growth and budding and shes looking ok.

Topping and FMing are also a good idea to look into when lst if you have a space problem.

I also wanted to add that its cool that you got your cuttings to root on 12/12. I currently attempted that, but messed up terribly by not using sterile equipment and I think I scarified to much, but other than that, things look great. Love the name of your plant btw.:thumbsup:

[JD1stTimer]

I decided to start flushing today. I will post a pic once it's all cut and dried, along with wet and dry weights, and a smoke report will also follow at some point. This log is about near the end, I will give smoke reports and dry weights for the other three clones in my flower cabinet whenever they are cut, dried, and cured. Whenever I flower Audrey III again I will start a new grow log for it. :) I think I will probably be filling up my cabinet with Audrey III clones, the other three just seem to take their sweet time. Although Audrey III is the slowest at rooting cuttings for some reason. Thanks all for all the good advice and encouragement, I don't think I would have done nearly as well without you all. :rasta:

[EnhAnceD]

looking forward to it

[jcksnatl420]

ya u seem you want your sm0ke to be ready asap so stop flushing a couple days before harvest and let the soil dry out.. this cuts a lot of time off drying

ps dont try to cut any corners curing because proper curing gives more potency taste and smell to your bud.

[EnhAnceD]

hows the drying going my friend

[sheist]

hey.. what kind of lights did u use for the veg cycle for your mothers? far as i've read i only saw 46w used on the clones for flowering?

[JD1stTimer]

I used 2 26w cfls for the veg, just turning the light on and off manually. I have now moved to Florida and I hate my life. I guess it will get better but I am just completely lethargic ever since the move. AFAIK my cabinet is still sitting empty in a dark house. I have two friends who grow, neither wanted my cabinet. They both live in small apartments and I guess they don't see it fitting anywhere. For the moment I have stopped growing. Will post more when I figure out the anonymity level of cable internet connections.