The deadly Swine flu!!!!

[thedeadone]

Holy shit- swine flu kills 60 in mex. strain has already been found in cali.----
experts have never seen this strain.It combines animal- man and bird dna.
I think this is the news of the day people----- PANDEMIC ALERT!!!!:(:(:(:(

[Dutch Pimp]

mother nature is always brewing up a new batch of virus...new and improved virus

[gypski]

mother nature is always brewing up a new batch of virus...new and improved virus

Yeah and so are nut job right-wing corporate mad scientists who need more sales of Tamiflu. Rumsfeld sees big legal fees on the horizon and needs a rise in stock price!!! :S2:

[JaggedEdge]

Yeah and people are always screaming about the coming pandemic: bird flu, mad cow, african killer bees, all of which never materialized.

I seriously doubt we have much to worry about.

[headshake]

the interesting part to me is that humans have been known to get a flu virus from swine, but it almost never gets passed to another human!

weird. and they say evolution didn't happen.


-shake

[Dutch Pimp]

Yeah and people are always screaming about the coming pandemic: bird flu, mad cow, african killer bees, all of which never materialized.

I seriously doubt we have much to worry about.
the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918... killed 40 million people..worldwide

1918 flu pandemic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic)

[JaggedEdge]

the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918... killed 40 million people..worldwide

1918 flu pandemic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic)

And the Plaque wiped out around half of Europe's population, the point is, the news media is always causing fear over new "health risks." I forgot SARS.

I'm not saying it isn't possible, but the fear mongering is pointless. It will either be a highly infectious strain or it won't; scientists will quickly find a cure or they won't. More than likely it is overblown paranoia though. If the media would like me to be scared, they need to stop acting like anything that kills a single person will become a pandemic.

[bigtopsfinn]

86 people dead in Mexico so far... enough for me to worry about my family back in the States :(

[headshake]

the flu is a virus and cannot be cured. you can however make a vaccine (which gives a small crippled amount of the virus, which your body defeats). and since, like the chicken pox, you don't get a virus twice (normally, although yes, it does happen).


the media is owned, and therefore what is put on and how it is portrayed is merely a mis-construed, one-sided view (for the most part).

i mean watch your local news, i bet they don't even take breathes in between "horror" stories. i know my local news anchors don't.

and it's all a ruse to cover up the taking of our rights, money, or whatever else is beneficial for the powers to be.


-shake

[JaggedEdge]

86 people dead in Mexico so far... enough for me to worry about my family back in the States :(

Why? 86 isn't exactly a high death toll, not to mention he didn't even provide a link. What exactly does worrying accomplish? Do people enjoy being terrified? You can't do anything to protect them, so why start worrying about a pandemic. 86 deaths does not exactly constitute fear.

If you want to fear something, try AIDS or cancer, those are proven killers.

[headshake]

apparently someone is scared!

U.S. declares public health emergency as swine flu spreads (http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/26/swine.flu/index.html).

here we go!


-shake

[JaggedEdge]

apparently someone is scared!

U.S. declares public health emergency as swine flu spreads (http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/26/swine.flu/index.html).

here we go!
-shake

Let the fear-mongering officially begin. I'm not saying they shouldn't prepare for the worst here, but this publicizing it won't accomplish anything.

[bigtopsfinn]

Why? 86 isn't exactly a high death toll, not to mention he didn't even provide a link. What exactly does worrying accomplish? Do people enjoy being terrified? You can't do anything to protect them, so why start worrying about a pandemic. 86 deaths does not exactly constitute fear.

If you want to fear something, try AIDS or cancer, those are proven killers.

World gov'ts race to contain swine flu outbreak (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090427/ap_on_he_me/med_swine_flu) <-- Suspected death toll is now 103...

I'm not terrified, or fearful, yet, just a little worried. Of course I can't do anything about from here... except worry... I heard about this just a couple days ago, and things seem to be getting worse. I saw a headline about the U.S banning pork... wonder how that's going to affect things over there with food prices already very high.

It's also not just the virus that worries me, but all of the events which may come because of this.... school's and workplaces closing, quaratines, force vaccinations, etc.

[JaggedEdge]

World gov'ts race to contain swine flu outbreak (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090427/ap_on_he_me/med_swine_flu) <-- Suspected death toll is now 103...

I'm not terrified, or fearful, yet, just a little worried. Of course I can't do anything about from here... except worry... I heard about this just a couple days ago, and things seem to be getting worse. I saw a headline about the U.S banning pork... wonder how that's going to affect things over there with food prices already very high.

It's also not just the virus that worries me, but all of the events which may come because of this.... school's and workplaces closing, quaratines, force vaccinations, etc.

I'm not saying it doesn't have the potential to be catastrophic. It just seems to me every time we get scared about one of these things they turn out not to be very bad. The main thing I will be interested to learn is what the survival rate is. They didn't mention in that article approximately how many people have been confirmed ill with it.

The fact cases have been reported in several different countries already does worry me a bit. Initially, the way people were talking, I thought cases had only popped up in Mexico so far.

[bigtopsfinn]

Something else to look at is who the virus is actually killing. If it's elderly people and children like most, or if it is killing healthy young adults, like the 1918 virus...

This shit just sounds sooooo sketchy to me. A human flu + bird flu (which baxter has been playing around with Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus | Canada | News | Toronto Sun (http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html)) + swine flu.... all together??? I think there is a chance that this was man-made :wtf:

Hopefully this thing goes away like all the others did, but so far it's not like the bird flu which seemed more isolated. Now this thing is in North America, New Zealand, Spain, Israel...

Well, probably not much to worry about since it's Baxter to the rescue! Ill-based Baxter working on swine flu vaccine: Associated Press Business News - MSN Money (http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?feed=AP&date=20090425&id=9837583)

[LOC NAR on probation]

Sounds like the 12 monkey's and some fringe science.

I don't care about me I'm getting old enough. Try and save the children.

When you disrepect MOTHER EARTH she will fight back. She will find a way even if it is some mad scientist working in her behalf.

[fluid69]

deadly flu's and viruses are and important part of evolution. yeah it will kill off some people, but the strongest will live to reproduce. and that's important. true, I don't want to go out like that, but if it helps to make the human race stronger for many more generations of reproduction, then so be it.

[Italiano715]

as of last night the numbers went up to like 1600 in mexico....I tell you one thing, I'm staying the hell away from pork for awhile....I'm going to become a vegan. HAHAH Lemme stop I couldn't do that if I tried! I'm addicted to boneless fried chicken and hot wings!:D:D:D Also love some fried catfish (southern thing) MMMMMMMMMMM I know what's for dinner tonightttt

[Galaxy]

Swine Influenza (Flu)

Swine Flu website last updated Monday, April 27, 2009 10:15 AM ET
U.S. Human Cases of Swine Flu Infection
(As of April 26, 2009 9:00 AM ET) State # of laboratory
confirmed cases
California 7 cases
Kansas 2 cases
New York City 8 cases
Ohio 1 case
Texas 2 cases
TOTAL COUNT 20 cases
International Human Cases of Swine Flu Infection
See: World Health OrganizationExternal Web Site Policy.

Human cases of swine influenza A (H1N1) virus infection have been identified in the United States. Human cases of swine influenza A (H1N1) virus infection also have been identified internationally. The current U.S. case count is provided below.

Investigations are ongoing to determine the source of the infection and whether additional people have been infected with swine influenza viruses.

CDC is working very closely with officials in states where human cases of swine influenza A (H1N1) have been identified, as well as with health officials in Mexico, Canada and the World Health Organization. This includes deploying staff domestically and internationally to provide guidance and technical support. CDC has activated its Emergency Operations Center to coordinate this investigation.

Laboratory testing has found the swine influenza A (H1N1) virus susceptible to the prescription antiviral drugs oseltamivir and zanamivir and has issued interim guidance for the use of these drugs to treat and prevent infection with swine influenza viruses. CDC also has prepared interim guidance on how to care for people who are sick and interim guidance on the use of face masks in a community setting where spread of this swine flu virus has been detected. This is a rapidly evolving situation and CDC will provide new information as it becomes available.

[killerweed420]

We'll all be dead by morning.:jointsmile:

[samisami121]

This is going to be bigger than anyone imagines and I am not an alarmist. And I don't think our medical professionals are ready. Check the updates hourly on cdc.org

[JaggedEdge]

Wow, this is getting ridiculous. My girlfriend was reading me an article last night talking about the low percentage of cases around the world. That it is beginning to affect Mexico, but still hasn't come close to the average death toll for yearly flu mutations. According to that article, the cases confirmed in the U.S. don't appear to even be life threatening. They interviewed a Mexican guy walking the streets without a trusty mask, and when they asked him why he wasn't being cautious like the rest of the population he said something to the extent of, "there are 109 million people here and about 100 have died, not exactly terrifying odds."

When I try searching for that article I can't even find it. All these articles talk about are the deaths and suspected cases around the world. No one even cares about reporting what is actually happening, they simply want to make it look as horrible as possible. I hope I do get the damn thing. Statistically, I will probably be extremely sick for a week or two, recover, and my immune system will get some much needed exercise.

There haven't been any reports of deaths anywhere other than Mexico. All other cases in other nations don't seem to be fatal...

[cruisin420]

Granted this is always a risk, but is anyone concerned about what portion of their stash may be coming from Mex? The ol "it gets killed in the fire" theory always sounds good, but I never know how valid that theory is for different types of bugs. Plus, you still have to handle it before the fire part happens.

I'm not too worried about it. I try to avoid Mex-mash anyway. But it has crossed my mind a few times.

[fluid69]

Granted this is always a risk, but is anyone concerned about what portion of their stash may be coming from Mex? The ol "it gets killed in the fire" theory always sounds good, but I never know how valid that theory is for different types of bugs. Plus, you still have to handle it before the fire part happens.

I'm not too worried about it. I try to avoid Mex-mash anyway. But it has crossed my mind a few times.
good point! it's not like we got the FDA looking out for us.

[headshake]

the plot thickens!


WHO raises pandemic alert level; more swine flu cases feared (http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/27/swine.flu/index.html)


-shake

[higher4hockey]

i have a pretty sweet government issue gas mask...im not afraid.

[JaggedEdge]

i have a pretty sweet government issue gas mask...im not afraid.

Haha, if you want to have a little fun, put on your fatigues and the mask and walk around town for a little while. Unless you would get in trouble with your superiors. I suppose if a bunch of idiots saw you and thought the apocalypse was around the corner, you could be in for quit the shit storm.

[psychocat]

Being completely honest I can only really think that stuff like this is natures way of thinning the herd.

The frailty of the worlds top predator exposed by something so small, perfect irony. :D :thumbsup: :cool:

[higher4hockey]

Haha, if you want to have a little fun, put on your fatigues and the mask and walk around town for a little while. Unless you would get in trouble with your superiors. I suppose if a bunch of idiots saw you and thought the apocalypse was around the corner, you could be in for quit the shit storm.

lol...that could get interesting.

[JaggedEdge]

Being completely honest I can only really think that stuff like this is natures way of thinning the herd.

The frailty of the worlds top predator exposed by something so small, perfect irony. :D :thumbsup: :cool:

I have to agree with you there. I find a bit of humorous irony in these viruses as well.

[JaggedEdge]

lol...that could get interesting.

If you were to ever do it, please bring someone along to video tape. Peoples reactions could make you the next internet sensation. If that has never been your ambition (sadly I know people who's top ambition is just that...) you could at least have fun playing with our gullible populace and consider it, "real world training in political leadership."

[higher4hockey]

lol...jagged you might be on to something here.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

having not even seen a doctor for about 35 years (except for a couple of visits to the emergency room to have something sewn back on), i doubt i'll be running out to get my vaccination.

[killerweed420]

I wanna know who's riling up the swines? They're beginning to fight back. This is going to end up WW3. Us against the pigs. I think we can take them.:rastasmoke:

[Galaxy]

U.S. Human Cases of Swine Flu Infection
(As of April 28, 2009 11:00 AM ET)
confirmed cases
California 10 cases
Kansas 2 cases
New York City 45 cases
Ohio 1 case
Texas 6 cases
TOTAL COUNT 64 cases

[headshake]

if you think about it humans are pretty much a virus too. we take and take and figure out new ways to take what's best for us and when we start to run out then we'll figure out a new way to make some more or try to colonize another planet to get what we need.


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[psychocat]

IMO
The human race is long overdue a good old natural cull.

[higher4hockey]

IMO
The human race is long overdue a good old natural cull.

i think so too. . . i just hope the virus targets only liberals. :jointsmile:

[Dutch Pimp]

This all reminds me of one of my favorite movies...S. King's...the "Stand"

...it has a happy ending...sorta...:rolleyes:

[killerweed420]

The voice of reason again. Even back in 1976 he knew what was going on.


Ron Paul Warns Swine Flu Scare Will Be Used As Precedent For More Big Government

Repeat of 1976 fearmongering campaign in full swing

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Tuesday, April 28, 2009

“Step back and think for a minute before rushing and panicking” is the message coming from Texas Congressman Ron Paul who has warned that the swine flu scare will once again be used as a precedent for big government intrusion.

“It makes me think back to 1976, the first year I served in the Congress,” Paul has said in a video update. “We had a vote on the swine flu. Back then there was panic, they said it was going to sweep the nation and they rapidly came up with some flu shots and the government was going to inoculate everybody and save the world from this disaster.”

“It turned out that our instincts were correct.” the Congressman, also a medical physician, commented. “Not only did we think that the government should be involved in making medical decisions… but the flu came, the flu went and one person died, except for those individuals that died from getting the flu vaccine.”

Earlier this week we reported on the events of 1976, highlighting the fact that this last significant outbreak of swine flu in the U.S. originated at the army base at Fort Dix, New Jersey.

President Gerald Ford and then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld (a man who has long standing intimate ties with the big pharma companies that have and will reap millions in profits from these scares) instituted a mass nationwide vaccination program. More than 40 million people were vaccinated. However, the program was stopped short after over 500 cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome, a severe paralyzing nerve disease, were reported. Officially 30 people died as a direct result of the vaccinations, though the real figure is generally thought to have been much higher.

At the time Congressman Ron Paul was one of only two representatives to vote down the vaccination program. His comments were recorded in the book Swine Flu Expose, by Eleanora I. McBean, Ph.D., N.D.

Paul described the move as “a shocking misuse of funds …and an evil political maneuver”, “blatant advertising efforts to panic the people into taking Swine Flu shots will fail.” Paul said.

Some of the fearmongering advertisement campaigns from 1976 are featured in the following video:

[JaggedEdge]

^^^ Ron Paul is the best, I wish more people were willing to listen to what he had to say. The damn flu virus already seems to be leveling off. I don't understand how 150 deaths in Mexico is getting everyone in such a frenzy. It appears it isn't even killing people in America.

I couldn't help but laugh yesterday, The Morning Show (or something like it) interviewed a family with it. The symptoms they describe are the flu... I feel like I'm going to die every time I get a flu virus.

I could probably list hundreds of things with a higher death toll than this flu, yet know one worries about contracting them. Many of them we've probably never even heard of.

[JD1stTimer]

Flat out crap to the highest degree. They are just trying to sell tamiflu and increased surveillance. I heard one anchor (FOX News) say that an antibiotic can cure the virus, which tells me they didn't research properly, as antibiotics don't do anything to viruses. Also it is a combination of swine, avian, and human influenzas? And they say there's no evidence that it isn't natural? If it's real it must have come from a laboratory, and they aren't telling the whole story. I smell one big pile of shit. Oops I'm downwind of Arlen Specter. Anyway, watch for travel restrictions, casualty figures reported, but no stories on individual victims of the flu. (Just read the post above that a family was interviewed. I stand corrected.) In other words, you will never actually meet anyone who got sick from it. That's my prediction. Oh and I think most people are scaredy enough to lay down prostrate before our government and beg for a butt-reaming to keep them and their children from the certain death that awaits if they continue living a regular free life. Because everyone knows viruses respect laws and physical barriers. Ehh I'm crazy. I don't think the government will use this as a pretense to enact their plans to put everyone in labor camps. Thinking that would be nuts, and I should probably be locked up if I actually believed that.

[Coelho]

if you think about it humans are pretty much a virus too. we take and take and figure out new ways to take what's best for us and when we start to run out then we'll figure out a new way to make some more or try to colonize another planet to get what we need.

Exactly! Like Agent Smith :cool: said:


I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet, you are a plague, and we are the cure.

[Greenthing]

IMO
The human race is long overdue a good old natural cull.
When it reaches Old Durham town let me know and i will head off over the border to bonnie Scotland.:hippy:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well this morning the first headline is " toddler dies in texas from the swine flu" Now let the panic begin. Most certainly this will only fuel the panic even more.

It is unbelievable how the press is blowing this whole thing out of proportion. here are some facts from the CDC.

The annual average death toll in the United States from Influenza is 36,000 American's, mostly the very young and elderly. I don't here the press telling us that. So far this strain of the flu is no more dangerous than the other more common strains, thank god.

[killerweed420]

Maybe its a distraction so we don't pay attention to the torture issue.

[bigtopsfinn]

Maybe its a distraction so we don't pay attention to the torture issue.

Could very well be... Funny how it's reported as the "torture issue", and not a "war crimes investigation"...


Still can't understand what's going on here... seems to be over-hyped at this point, unless they are lying about the deaths and people who are sick. I'd be more afraid of the vaccinations than the flu :wtf:

[killerweed420]

A little article I ran across to put this in perspective.
C/P

Source: OpEdNews

OpEdNews.Com Progressive, Tough Liberal News and Opinion (http://www.opednews.com/articles/Still-Think-They-re-No)...

Baxter, an International pharmaceutical company based in America, has just been caught mixing live Avian Flu virus (H5N1) with common flu virus, in a flu vaccine. Baxter International’s research facility in Orth-Donau Austria was the facility that shipped the contaminated flu vaccine to other facilities in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany. The incident was discovered by a technician in a facility in the Czech Republic, who injected ferrets with the vaccine as a normal test procedure. The ferrets died.

Let that sink in. If not discovered by a mid-level technician, many of the people immunized with the Baxter vaccine might have been infected with avian flu, which can be deadly.


But it’s worse than that. H5N1 is not easily transmissible between people. However, the common flu virus that it was mixed with does easily infect people. The real danger in this incident is that the two viruses could have mixed genetic material and mutated when injected into tens of thousands of people, and could have created a hybrid virus that was both deadly, and transmissible.

[bigtopsfinn]

http://boards.cannabis.com/current-events/168573-baxter-product-contained-live-bird-flu-virus.html<--posted that a while back... nobody cared :(

Oh yeah, they will be making the new vaccine for the swine flu :thumbsup:Baxter working on swine flu vaccine :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Business (http://www.suntimes.com/business/1544941,w-baxter-swine-flu-vaccine-042609.article)

[headshake]

and what virus did they mix it with? each strain of the flu is like a strain of bud. once you've had a version of the flu you (almost) always never get that strain again. that's the way vaccines work.


-shake

[killerweed420]

And in a lot of the cases the cure is worse than the disease.

[KillerBudG]

U.S. Human Cases of Swine Flu Infection
(As of April 28, 2009 11:00 AM ET)
confirmed cases
California 10 cases
Kansas 2 cases
New York City 45 cases
Ohio 1 case
Texas 6 cases
TOTAL COUNT 64 cases


Add Minnesota to i heard on tha news there are some cases in st. cloud "college up there".


~One~:rastasmoke:
~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[Medicaldelivery]

the interesting part to me is that humans have been known to get a flu virus from swine, but it almost never gets passed to another human!

weird. and they say evolution didn't happen.


-shake

Swine flu has nothing to do with swine or pigs.

[Forwhat420]

Something else to look at is who the virus is actually killing. If it's elderly people and children like most, or if it is killing healthy young adults, like the 1918 virus...

This shit just sounds sooooo sketchy to me. A human flu + bird flu (which baxter has been playing around with Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus | Canada | News | Toronto Sun (http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html)) + swine flu.... all together??? I think there is a chance that this was man-made :wtf:

Hopefully this thing goes away like all the others did, but so far it's not like the bird flu which seemed more isolated. Now this thing is in North America, New Zealand, Spain, Israel...

Well, probably not much to worry about since it's Baxter to the rescue! Ill-based Baxter working on swine flu vaccine: Associated Press Business News - MSN Money (http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?feed=AP&date=20090425&id=9837583)

Im not one to get into conspiracies but the fact that it is all three mixed in one does sound etchy to me... Didn't Chavez call us swine???:wtf:
Im not fearful just yet, but the more I hear about it...

[psychocat]

I'm covered :D

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/alzeebub/Lemsip.jpg

[yokinazu]

a little somthing that came to light for me yesterday. the number of deaths from this flu in mexico was at 120, cases were at 2500. this was on a world map showing all the countrys, but mexicos numbers i noticed had these little tiny astricks next to them wich read 120 deaths: 17 confirmed, 103 suspected . 2500 cases 135 confirmed the rest suspect. so the acual number of cases and deaths are far lower than from what ive seen on my tv.

information is from thursday april 30 edition of the Advocaate. this is the baton rouge news paper.

[headshake]

swine flu no worse than regular flu, say US officials (http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/05/04/swine.flu.main/index.html).

lol. go figure.


-shake

[luciddreamer]

Knew it....

[bigtopsfinn]

Well... seems to have been a big hype... again... at least with respect to the actual flu. I know there are some Finns quarantined in a hotel in Hong Kong still, and you probably heard about all the preparations all the countries were making (Killing all the pigs in Egypt really gets me...:mad:).

But, perhaps the media and governments were acting with the public's best interests in mind. Trying to warn us of the dangers in advance so we can go buy Tamiflu, and preparing for mass quarantines and shutting down cities, like they did in Mexico City. :wtf:

[psychocat]

# CNN Story Highlights
# Swine flu getting focus, but so far it's not deadly in United States
# Since January, more than 13,000 have died of complications from seasonal flu
# Worldwide annual death from the flu estimated between 250,000 and 500,000
# About 9 out of 10 flu deaths are among people older than 65

I love the way the goverments have some folk acting like chickens minus thier heads.

[JaggedEdge]

I love when fate doesn't take a long time to prove me right.

[LOC NAR on probation]

7 confirmed cases in North Carolina. 6 in Craven county 1 was a school kid and closed the school for a week to disinfect. 1 in onslow county. No deaths reported.

It's just something to keep our minds off the US and world economy. Let see flu and maybe death or the basturds putting us in the hole by the trillions. They are killing us either way.

[Greenthing]

It's just something to keep our minds off the US and world economy. Let see flu and maybe death or the basturds putting us in the hole by the trillions. They are killing us either way.
Right on man:rastasmoke::hippy: