Himalaya Gold: 1st grow log (advice appreciated)

[newmangreen]

STRAIN:10x Himalaya Gold from Green House Seed Co.

LIGHTS:
2x 400W (800 total) HPS.
4ft 40W flourescent tube (found it laying around so opted to use it.)
2ft 15W blue spectrum aquarium flourescent .
Lights will be set on 24 hour cycle once they sprout.

TEMPERATURE: 68-70 at the moment, i'll keep you posted when i actually turn on the lights, no need at this point.

SOIL: Seedling soil with little to no nutrients. I'd like to tell you more specific details but it just says "trace elements" of NPK with PH of 6. The brand name isnt in english so no sense in posting that either. The name literally translates to seedling soil so should be fine.

VENTILATION: table fan circulating the air in my grow room. Although i dont have any fan bringing in fresh air as i dont want to knock a hole in the wall (renting apartment). What i do is, during the light cycle i leave the door to my room cracked enough to keep some fresh air flowing in.

GROW ROOM: I use a large walk-in closet. Now i know the room is kind of "ghetto" but i rent the place so theres a limit to what i can do....

pictures below at day one after germination, although not all 10 cracked. I believe it was 6 or 7 that did (sorry very tired) but just planted them all so i dont have loose seeds laying around.

[Mr. Clandestine]

The biggest potential issue I could see you running into is going to eventually be ventilation. Just one 400W HPS is enough to bring practically any room up to 90+ degrees, so you can probably imagine what two will do. Also, when that room is full of flowering females, smell will most likely become an issue. If you've got the money to spend, you might consider looking into air-cooled hoods or cooltubes for your HPS's, which will work best with an in-line fan. 300-400 CFM would probably keep temperatures down enough, but I'd get the highest CFM you can find that's affordable (and quiet). On top of that, I'd consider attaching a carbon filter to keep the smell manageable.

Keep us updated! :jointsmile:

[newmangreen]

my thoughts exactly, especially with the warmer weather coming now (YAY :D!) However i'm afraid me and my investors have already laid quite a penny on this project so i doubt we can afford that now :( but where theres a will theres a way. What i'm thinking is if i need it i can buy like 4 table fans like the one i already have and just load the top shelf of the closet with them and have them oscillate around, then while the light cycle is on i can just have the door open or something. Think that will help? I just wont have enough cash until harvest time to afford anything more advanced than that.

[deaner]

interested in your grow, Himalayan gold can get big! I have 4 I'm runnin to test that are about 6 seeks old been flowering for 2. They are my tallest strain, taller than jack herer, and i topped the golds, left the herers alone. they seem to take nutes well and look like hardy plants. They are cylinder shaped and all the side branches look like they will catch up with the top colas. I expect them to finish at around 3.5 feet not counting the pots. Topping them helps but they will grow tall regardless, so keep that in mind. And if your in an apartment with ten of them.. Well it's gonna smell nice, hope your neighbors don't mind! Good luck, wish your ladies the best. They like to eat from what I've seen so could be a good yeilder.

[Forwhat420]

So let me get this straight. You are flowering 800watts with no ventilation or smell control??? WOW...You should atleast purchase an air conditioner to keep your temps manageable. Summer comming up, your yeild will suffer dramatically if heat becomes an issue!! and trust me it will become an issue!!

[newmangreen]

yeah i'm aware of the heat issue, but right now its not a problem. if needed i'll empty a stores supply of table fans :thumbsup:

[syde00]

my thoughts exactly, especially with the warmer weather coming now (YAY :D!) However i'm afraid me and my investors have already laid quite a penny on this project so i doubt we can afford that now :( but where theres a will theres a way. What i'm thinking is if i need it i can buy like 4 table fans like the one i already have and just load the top shelf of the closet with them and have them oscillate around, then while the light cycle is on i can just have the door open or something. Think that will help? I just wont have enough cash until harvest time to afford anything more advanced than that.

yeah... heat is going to be a pretty major problem for you... especially as warmer weather comes...

is your apartment air conditioned? if its not, you are going to have some pretty major problems in a couple months with 2 400watt HPS lamps... the fans will help a bit, but remember, fans don;t create cool air, they just move hot air around. if your appt has AC, this might be enough to help circulate more of that cold air in by pushing the hot air out.

the idea of opening the closet doors will help... but you are going to have to be VERY religous about it.... your plants in the flowering stage need to stick pretty closely to a consistant 12/12 lighting schedule, so if your schedule is something like 8am-8pm with lights on... it means your not allowed to sleep-in saturday morning because you need to get up and take care of the babies... this is why people opt for fans and timers to handle all this for them :)

honestly, you really should try and figure out a more automated solution... otherwise you are going to be scheduling your entire life around the plants schedule... it'll be just like having a real baby, just not quite as bad... and new parents never looked stressed out at all... do they?... LOL ;)

it would look ugly as sin, but you could take the doors off the closet and either put new doors on that you can feel free to cut holes in, or just put some sheets of plywood up that you can cut holes in and build a little access-door in... cut some holes in the bottom for electrical and passive-air intake, then put a few fans at the top that flow air out of the closet. of course this all depends on how stealthy you need this to be... obviously somebody walking through your apartment that sees peices of plywood infront of a closet with fans and electrical wiring through it is going to look mighty suspecious... but then again, as others have mentioned, the smell is probably going to make it alot more obvious... might want to look into a filter for that.

[newmangreen]

ok guys the little ones are doing great. The've peeked their cute heads out of the soil (already) after only 1 day in there. Although not all have starting showing any form of leaves i can see them from the top of the soil. They're doing way better than my previous grow which ended in catastrophy from nute burn, it was a total loss. Then again they were only a few weeks old. The soil i was using had way way too high amounts of NPK, hence the "seeding soil" i bought. Boy they sure grow up fast dont they :thumbsup: After turning only the flouros on, the temperature has increased from 70ish to 80ish. I'm in big trouble when i switch on those HPS's....i'm not going to stress it too much just yet, i still have some time before i turn the big boys on. I also tested the PH of the water i'm using and its a cool 6 (very happy about that.:D)


P.S. sorry about the pic quality

[newmangreen]

Just some updated pics with updated concerns. Ok so while i was taking these pics i noticed a small spider-like insect on the ground. I examined it closely and the best way to describe it is like a very small (maybe 2mm) scorpion without a tail. I've been looking through many many pages of plant pests and i couldnt find anything similar, so maybe it is just a spider of some kind, but any ideas would be appreciated... Anyways, the babies are looking great. They really love that blue light and are growing quickly towards it. Doesnt seem like the care too much for the white flouro in there, but hey it cant hurt right :)


UPDATE: ok i searched on google (many many times) and have now discovered what the bugs are. Theyre called "pseudoscorpions" and are harmless. theyre basically scorpions without a tail and are carnivores so they wont hurt my plants, thank god for that.

Pseudoscorpion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscorpion)

[quarteroy]

I have found several of those little buggers in the desert here pretty cool little things. You may really really really want to consider your heat issue dont know if you realized this when you bought your strain but that is one of their out door strains for one (not that you cant grow it inside) the problem is it is called Himalayan gold for a specific reason it is because in the Himalayas it gets really cold so they are genetically bread to withstand much colder temps than most strains. needless to say Imo they wont do well in any kind of heat in the 83+ range i would say might have to be even lower. I'm really not sure what to tell you for a solution. you may have picked the wrong time of year and started a little to over zealously (need ventilation). They will get huge too with 7 plants you will want to put them into flower right away imo or you may wind up with no room. Good luck with this i'll be watching I hope you can pull it off. those are some awesome seeds would hate to see them go to waste. pot heads are resourceful people:stoned: im sure you will get something going but you may want to consider somthing with less heat if you cant afford the vent. (CFL) (LED)

[newmangreen]

no i had no idea about that. I just wanted an indica strain as sativas get so big, so i looked for an indica strain and found one with quite a large yield (600-1000gr/sqm) and it was their fastest growing indica, thats as far as i thought it through. Plus the pic of the budded plant looked amazing! :D ok well i guess i'll be taking the door down at some point in the future, that should help a little with the temps at least during the veg state. I looked around some more and at GHS the temps they have are 25 in the day and 19 at night (celsius of course) so i'll try and do what i gotta do to match that as close as i can. And oh yeah, all 10 of them are growing now. Not 6 :) I'll be forcing the flowering as soon as possible but its still gonna be some time before i can think about that. As far as space goes, my closet is quite large so it shouldnt really be too much of a problem, there's alot more height than width in the room so i dont think i'll be topping them. I'll post some pics later today if i dont pass out from exhaustion, way too much school work lately :(

[perpetr8r]

Good luck with your plants. Just wanted to say.. that god awful bug is freekin me out!!

[newmangreen]

heh yeah perp the bugs are pretty wierd, i didnt think we could get those around here (colder climate.) If anything they help the matter as they eat other insects so i dont have a problem with them there at all, just creepy;).

Anyways guys i've abandoned the small crappy flouros i was using and i'm now going with 1 of my hps's. The reason for this is that i dont believe those crappy flouros put out near enough lumens and i dont want stretching. A whopping 55,000 lumens is WAY better than anything those flouros can even come close to putting out and i've been looking at other posts from people using only HPS's and they look fine so i'm not gonna try to rig up some fire hazard just to incorporate weak flouros. I'm sure you'll all notice the girls turning to one side and thats because they were growing towards the blue flouro i had, it should correct itself within a couple of days or so.

They're looking great as of now and the temps with the door open is 77. Not TOO bad but not ideal either, and thats with only one. They dont need the two at this point though so once again i'm not gonna worry about it yet.

You guys think the HPS is close enough? Or too far from them? I put a toilet paper roll in one of the pics so you could get an idea of how far the light is from the plants.

lemme know what you think about the girls or anything else, i dont have school for the next 4 days so i'll be checking frequently :D

[Mr. Clandestine]

Hey chief,

Seedlings that are immediately put under HPS lights can be prone to stretching, so if you see that this is happening you might consider lowering the light a little bit more, or getting those fluoros back on the plants for a little bit longer. I'm sure you've heard of testing the distance of the HPS by using the back of your hand underneath the light... if it feels too warm, back the lights up, if not, you can probably lower them some more. Personally, I like to keep CFL's on my seedlings until they just about outgrow their starter cups (2-3 nodes) before transplanting and turning on the big lights, but that's just me.

Also, I can't really tell what your flooring is made out of - I'd imagine it's not concrete if it's in a closet - but if the floor has the tendency to get cold when the lights go off, you might consider setting the containers on something that will serve as a buffer between the roots and the cold floor.

Take care. :jointsmile:

[newmangreen]

OK i took your advice and lowered the lights a little. The temperature now on the plants is 77.8, is that seriously too high? I'm expecting it to be high but unless its a lethal temp i'm ok with it.

thnx for the help

[newmangreen]

oh yeah another quick question. How often and how much do you water seedlings on your grows. I'm pretty sure i'm getting it right but just wanna be sure :)

[Mr. Clandestine]

OK i took your advice and lowered the lights a little. The temperature now on the plants is 77.8, is that seriously too high? I'm expecting it to be high but unless its a lethal temp i'm ok with it.

77.8F isn't bad, but if temperatures start getting past 80, I'd consider adding some extra ventilation to cool things down. Things like humidity, C02, etc., can all play a role in just how high temperatures can get without affecting growth, but since those don't really apply right now, you should try to keep the temperature between 70-80F for best results. With an open hood like the one on your light, you could probably lower the ambient temperature of the entire room by having a dedicated fan just blowing on the bulb, and moving the ballast out of the growroom (if possible).


oh yeah another quick question. How often and how much do you water seedlings on your grows. I'm pretty sure i'm getting it right but just wanna be sure :)

I just water them when they need it. I know it's sorta taboo, but my seedling pots are somewhat translucent, so I can tell just by looking at the soil whether or not it's still moist, completely dry, somewhere in-between, etc. When the topsoil starts looking a little crumbly, it's probably getting pretty close to time to water. Smaller containers mean you'll need to water more frequently, and higher temperatures will play a role too. If you're not letting them dry out completely, and yet aren't keeping them saturated at all times, then you're doing it right. :jointsmile:

[newmangreen]

ok thats about what i'm doing now, i'll stick my pinky a little into the soil and if its dry i water them. Thats a great idea about the ballast as well i think i'll do that as soon as i notch a few slots in the door frame for the cables.

[frostedwonder]

Hey, this seems like a fun escapade you have going. Looking forward to seeing more.. subscribed...

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Definitely an escapade! If he doesn't fry them with that HPS we will be in for a real adventure.:jointsmile:

Seriously: everyone has been telling you that added cooling is going to be needed and you need to plan for it now. All it will take is a few hours of extreme temps and you will loose the entire crop in the early stages, or seriously stunt the growth in the late stages.

JG

[Steelwool]

I'm growing Himalaya Gold from Green House Seed Co. also and what they say about height is true. Fast growing and hearty. I put my first two under 12/12 (600 W HPS) at about 4 weeks and I think that was a little too long. The next 4 I put under at two weeks and they are staying fairly short but haven't flowered yet and might still kick it up before they do. They smell great already and look good too.
I would also consider getting a better hood, an AC one that you can vent through to help with your temps.

[newmangreen]

OK guys i have figured out what i'm gonna do about the heat issue. My investors and I have managed to scrape together some cash:) What i'm now wondering is, should i go for cooltubes for my lights or some kind of exhaust fan setup. Which would be more beneficial? I already have a table fan so the air isnt completely dead in there but i have to leave the door open and i dont really wanna do that for too much longer.

The little ones are doing great, some slight stretching but nothing to be alarmed about. More pics soon, crappy samsung camera eats batteries like candy:wtf:

[Steelwool]

I would say both. You need fresh air coming in (intake) and old air/heat going out. I upgraded to a cool tube type hood which I vent through with a can fan that sucks the air out via a duct connected to the hood. It's eliminated all my heat issues. You can put your hand on the top of my hood and it's cool. Hydrofarm had a great can fan for $40. Well worth it.

[newmangreen]

Hey guys, just some updated pics. The little ones are doing great and growing very fast. The pics are time stamped so you can really see the difference day to day. There's very slight yellowing on a few of the girl, nothing i'm going to worry about just yet. Let me know what you think :)

[KillerBudG]

Hey you should get a little breeze blowing on them so they will develop a sturdy stem and not a weak one.:thumbsup:



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[newmangreen]

i do have a fan blowing on them 24/7.

[newmangreen]

ok guys i see some signs of trouble. The edges of the leaves on some of the girls are curling up and getting pretty dry and scaly looking. I tested the runoff Ph and its 5, so that could be it. The Ph before watering is 6 though which is pretty good. Are there any ways of raising it on the fly if i need to? Or maybe anything else it could be?

[Italiano715]

ok guys i see some signs of trouble. The edges of the leaves on some of the girls are curling up and getting pretty dry and scaly looking. I tested the runoff Ph and its 5, so that could be it. The Ph before watering is 6 though which is pretty good. Are there any ways of raising it on the fly if i need to? Or maybe anything else it could be?

Before I read this post I was looking at the most recent pics and I was thinking it could be the soil. I read that it has trace elements of NPK. Does it have time release ferts in it? Supposed to be too harsh for seedlings if so. Also I tried to use that seedling starter sh** in a previous grow and I had nothing but problems with it. I resent that crap. What I've come to really love with seedlings are peat pods that you can get at your local wal-mart or lowes.

[bigtopsfinn]

ok guys i see some signs of trouble. The edges of the leaves on some of the girls are curling up and getting pretty dry and scaly looking. I tested the runoff Ph and its 5, so that could be it. The Ph before watering is 6 though which is pretty good. Are there any ways of raising it on the fly if i need to? Or maybe anything else it could be?

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/153522-soil-runoff-ph-flushing-correct-lockouts-why-how-do.html


First, measure the pH of your tap water and record it. As an example, let's say that it is 7.0, exactly neutral.

If you have a meter, simply stick the electrode in the water and read.

Let's say that your runoff comes out at 6.5. How did that happen? The water passed through a more acidic matrix and dropped its pH. You can assume that your true soil pH is a couple tenths of a pH point lower than the runoff in this case- I'd assume about a 6.2. If it comes out HIGHER, just go in the opposite direction. If it came out 7.5, you can assume that you need to drop down from about 7.8.

You want around 6.0-6.5 for a soilless mix, or 6.3-6.8 for soil.

^^By this logic, your soil would around 4.7... Plus if the soil has ferts in it already, that could burn them up also. I'd go check out to see if your ph tester was calibrated correctly before messing with the ph and possibly introducing a new problem. If it's a color-coded test, then the water has to be clear for the test to be accurate.

[fluid69]

jorge cervantes says when the edges of the leaves curl up, that it's the plants way trying to keep cool. you might want to check your temps.

[newmangreen]

OK guys lets see here...The Ph of the soil i have is 6 (says on the bag) and the water Ph is also 6. The soil i use is supposed to have very little to no nutrients at all, but as it just says "trace NPK" i have no real way of knowing. I'd really like to be able to tell you more but thats really all it says:(

I'm going to flush the soil and check the runoff Ph when next watering time rolls around. I would do it now but i just watered earlier.

I found a cool setting on my cam that lets me take really nice close-up pics so it'll be easier to show everyone what i'm talking about. In any case they ARE growing, and pretty quick too. Most look ok but the problem ones arent looking to spectacular. And one of them is even starting to smell like sweet maryjane so thats pretty cool.

The temps are in the mid to high 70's at the moment and i'm waiting for my cooltubes to come in the mail, after that the heat wont be an issue anymore. Its not that big of an issue now as it is but when i get that second HPS up its gonna be HOT so i'm gonna jump on the ventilation and heat issue ASAP.

Thanks for all the help guys:hippy:

[newmangreen]

almost forgot. What is the best way to flush the soil so that any nutes that may be there get removed?


Happy Smokin:jointsmile:

[Italiano715]

using ph corrected water....

[newmangreen]

heh well yeah thats a given, but i mean how much water to use etc...

[fluid69]

heh well yeah thats a given, but i mean how much water to use etc...
double your pot size. for example: 1 gallon pot, use 2 gallons of water.

[newmangreen]

Hey everyone, just flushed all the babies. Here's some post-flush pics and a pic of the runoff Ph tests.

[syde00]

I think your going to need to get some pH-up.

going by those tests, i'd say your pH is closer to 5 than it is 6... you want your pH for soil grows to be about 6.5

[newmangreen]

ok guys quick question again (yes, i know i'm a pain in the ass:D) Do you think two of these fans, one intake and one exhaust, is enough to keep the temperatures under control? Please check link for fan.


Hydrofarm - Active Air ACFB8 In-Line Booster Fan, 8" (http://www.hydrofarm.com/pb_detail.php?itemid=8108)

[Italiano715]

ok guys quick question again (yes, i know i'm a pain in the ass:D) Do you think two of these fans, one intake and one exhaust, is enough to keep the temperatures under control? Please check link for fan.


Hydrofarm - Active Air ACFB8 In-Line Booster Fan, 8" (http://www.hydrofarm.com/pb_detail.php?itemid=8108)

Up to 661 CFM. I would think so. Then again you won't know really until it's there and installed I suppose.

[bigtopsfinn]

They don't say the cfm's... Active Air Inline Fans Blowers (http://www.thebigtomato.com/catalog/active-air-in-line-booster-fan.htm)<--Here they say 661 cfm for a 10"...

Have you and your sponsors read through this yet?http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/132514-noobs-guide-growroom-set-up-work-progress.html


^^There is a formula for ventilation a few posts down that works pretty well from my experience.

There are a couple different ways you could set up your fan(s). I had my fan pulling through a carbon filter and cooltube, but temps were a bit high. Next time I might buy another similar fan. One would pull air out of the growroom through the carbon filter. The other would be cooling the cooltube by pulling fresh air through duct to the cooltube then through duct to the fan, and out of the growroom. That way no smell leaks, and the air coming to the light will be cooler, and the air in the room will be cooler. Those are just thoughts at the moment.

Anyways, try to go through that link and the formula before you buy... :thumbsup:

[newmangreen]

Ok guys i've decided to go for two System Air RKV100's for ease of installation and for the fact i can hook it up easily to a carbon filter which i plan on getting in the future. So thats great so they should be coming in the mail soon, keep you updated.

[newmangreen]

Ok guys heres some more post-flush pics. I dont wanna speak too soon but they appear to be doing better. The drooping from the flushing is gone and the leaves are getting more green. Take a look at the last close-up pics a few posts back and compare it to these, looks better in my opinion :) The leaves still have some curling around the edges... So i'm guessing the soil i got is shitty, my last grow ended after 2 weeks from the same problem and i'm still having trouble with it even after switching to seedling soil....picky little girls :wtf:

Anyways, tomorrow i'll be buying Ph + and - to iron out the low Ph of the water i'm using.

[newmangreen]

once again the babies are looking like theyre not gonna make it. I'm getting real pissed off about this. I mean, its a weed for christs sake. I've never had so many problems as i'v been having now. The last grow ended from the same problem. I dont know if its the soil or what but it definately looks like nute burn (curling leaves, tips of the leaves turn yellow, small spots form then quickly spread to the new growth and finally death.) I flushed the soil twice and it's no use!!! I at least know its not a pH or temp problem. If this grow doesnt end nicely i'm gonna be fucking furious. I've grown in the past with so much less of the resources i now have at my disposal and it worked out fine.

Here's what i'm gonna do if it doesnt work out...I'm gonna leave it up to all you vets out there to give me a complete list of what i should get to make this work. Lights arent a problem, same with ventilation. The vent fans are already on the way in the mail. So i BEG all you vets out there to tell me your secrets. What soil should i use? It seems that any soil i use have too much nutes in it (even seedling soil) Anything else i should think about? This has happened twice now , i'm pulling out my hair from frustration. I'll be putting up pics soon of the little ones as soon as i get more batteries, i'm really starting to hate my camera :(

[Forwhat420]

It is your soil dude..Seedlings dont need any nutes the first 3 weeks of their life and I usually let mine go 4. I like to use only soils dedicated to cannabis like PRO-MIX or Sunshine Mix.. These are soils that have nothing and them and are designed for adding your own nutes.

[Bonesdowns25]

I started with bad seed for the same exact reason that your pissed off right now. A lot of your problems could have been avoided if you did a lil more research. It's very obvious that plants at your stage do not need nutes. Sunshine and good ol' water til they start looking more mature (3weeks or so) and they will also have 3 nodes or so. I just put my first grow into flower (12/12)yesterday from bag seed, and as i mentioned this is my first go at it. Im hoping for some good results, as the plant looks nice and healthy right now. I am hoping it's a fem. My next step is to do a final transplant which im a lil nervous about. I hope all goes well. lol. I have not yet decided on which soil to go with. I have use miracle grow the whole grow thus far with good result's. Now it's time to choose another commercial grade soil that i can get at one of the popular stores where everyone shops at. I still haven't got any suggestions yet on which soil i should flower her in. Shall i stick with the MG? Please any suggestions are will be very helpful since im gonna be getting the soil and new pot for the final transplant this weekend. I understand that i should use a medium with high P levels and low N levels, which is vice versa during Veg time. :thumbsup:

[newmangreen]

From what i hear from other posts Miracle Grow isnt all that great, but if its working for you then go for it :jointsmile: I've done loads of research on growing and i know they dont need nutes so early, i just overlooked that small detail. Like i said this isnt my first grow and from what i remember it was easy as hell growing this wonderful plant. I just never thought seedling soil would have so many harmful nutes in it, i guess it's just crappy low quality soil :wtf: In any case i got home today and looked at the little ones and from what i can tell at this point it's just the "old" leaves that are going to die. The new growth appears healthy for the most part, but i know that can change very quickly. They ARE growing, and kind of quick too but we'll see if they can keep it up. The stems are strong and thick which leads me to believe they may be ok (fingers crossed.)

It's almost watering time again so i think i'll be flushing them again, cant hurt at this point.

So here's my questions: Should i clip away the dead (or dying) leaves at the bottom or should i just let them fall off on their own? I've read that if you clip the bottom leaves it focuses production towards the new growth which would be great, but i dont see anyone doing it at this stage in the grow.

And does anyone know any websites that sell this sunshine mix or pro-mix? preferrably UK or European based sites.

Thnx a bunch

[Bonesdowns25]

From what i hear from other posts Miracle Grow isnt all that great, but if its working for you then go for it :jointsmile: I've done loads of research on growing and i know they dont need nutes so early, i just overlooked that small detail. Like i said this isnt my first grow and from what i remember it was easy as hell growing this wonderful plant. I just never thought seedling soil would have so many harmful nutes in it, i guess it's just crappy low quality soil :wtf: In any case i got home today and looked at the little ones and from what i can tell at this point it's just the "old" leaves that are going to die. The new growth appears healthy for the most part, but i know that can change very quickly. They ARE growing, and kind of quick too but we'll see if they can keep it up. The stems are strong and thick which leads me to believe they may be ok (fingers crossed.)

It's almost watering time again so i think i'll be flushing them again, cant hurt at this point.

So here's my questions: Should i clip away the dead (or dying) leaves at the bottom or should i just let them fall off on their own? I've read that if you clip the bottom leaves it focuses production towards the new growth which would be great, but i dont see anyone doing it at this stage in the grow.

And does anyone know any websites that sell this sunshine mix or pro-mix? preferrably UK or European based sites.

Thnx a bunch

Thanks for your kind reply my friend. I understand the MG soil isn't up to the task of experienced growers, which i can't blame them one bit since they have much much more experience at the hobby than i do at the moment lol. So far so good for me. I haven't added any nutes to the soil medium and so far i am on day 5 of 12/12 flower. I wish i had pics to provide as i noticed people are much more helpful when they are present in the posts, which i don't blame folks one bit. Pictures are always worth a thousand words for sure.
To answer your question about the dead leaves at the bottom part of the plant, i personally would just let them be and let mother nature do her thing. Either way I don't think it would matter much if ya plucked a couple. That's no big deal, as i have done it, but just make sure they are completely dead since the plant to my understanding makes use of everything she or he has.
I know this is a little bit off topic but could anyone point me in the right direction, so that i can speak with the all mighty plant goddess, A.K.A. Stinky Attick? From my understanding she lives in my neck of the woods, and so getting information about where i can pick up some top notch grow supplies would be a God send.lol I'm trying to stay away from the slave industries and their commercial products, so if your reading this Ms. Stinky i would be greatly appreciative of that. Cool peeps here, so no worries. Thanks guy's and gal's.:thumbsup:

[newmangreen]

Ok guys its been a while, and forums are finally back up.

Lets see here, what has happened... The little babies kept getting worse so as a last ditch effort i re-potted them with natural soil i found outside. Hopefully it'll keep them clinging to life long enough for the new soil i ordered to get in, it should be here tuesday or wednesday.

I got my ventilation system, i havent yet installed it as i dont have the necessary tools at the moment but temps are fine now and man do these fans pump some air :D I cant wait to get them running. They pump 250m3/h and i have one intake and one exhaust. At some point in the future i'll be getting a carbon filter set up but the smell isnt an issue yet. Here's the link to the fans i got. 100 in diameter VK Vents extractor (http://lowryder.com/eshop/detprode.asp?amaspField_IDProd=1350)

The soil i orders is called "Gold Label Special Mix" and is an all natural organic soil from Holland that i've heard good things about. Here's the link to their homepage. MADE IN HOLLAND (http://www.specialmix.nl/information.htm)

Hopefully the little ones will recover. If not i'll just have to start over....AGAIN. Which would kinda suck to be honest. But if i do, I heard a very easy strain to grow is Northern Lights. Can anyone confirm this or give me any other "beginner" strains to check out.

[newmangreen]

Hello friends.

Ok so its been 10 days since my last post and i have great news.

After getting the soil i ordered in the mail and transplanting them i almost immediately saw improvement. In the course of 24-36 hours the leaves started turning dark green again and the growing picked up. I LOVE this soil. A few of them are taking longer to recover than others but they're on their way.

So the little ones are going to make it i think :D Now its just a waiting game to see if any will herm on me, lord knows they've been stressed enough. *fingers crossed*

Hmmmm what else is new? Oh yeah i got my ventilation system up and running. Just in time too, its getting hot here. You can see them in the pics.

I also decided to start my next grow now just in case things fall through with these cuties. I'll be trying "The Church" from Green House Seeds. I started germination today and in a few days they should be ready for the real world. I'll keep you all posted.

Now you may see the pics and think, "Oh thats some mad stretching going on....not good." But its not stretching at all. The lower leaves suffered nute burn and died (they will be missed:(), hence they look very stretched. I'll be transplanting them soon and when i do i will simply bury them a little deeper than needed to make up for it.

[newmangreen]

just a few new pics to show the progress. Where did everyone go?

I transplanted them into the medium sized pots, and buried them deeper in the soil than needed to account for the stretching.


Happy Smokin' :rasta:

[Mr. Clandestine]

Looking good! :thumbsup:

Glad to see you've got your temps dialed in, better ventilation, etc. That will really help over the course of this grow and any future grows. Keep it up! :jointsmile:

[newmangreen]

new pics.

OK so the Himalaya Gold is doing good, growth is steady and they all have lost that ugly yellow color from before and changed to a nice healthy green. There's some curling in the leaves which i believe is from heat issues. Even with these vents it still is a problem, especially with summer rolling around. Highest temp i've had is 85, not good. But nothing life threatening for them as far as i can tell. You can see this most clearly in the second pic, lemme know your thoughts about it.

The church babies have sprouted up and are looking nice so far, hope that keeps up. So far there are 8 visible and one that i'm not too sure is doing anything and one seed didnt crack.

[newmangreen]

Hello my fellow stoners and growers :)


So today i did some much needed shopping:D I've ordered the complete Hesi Nutrition starter pack, a 125mm 300 m³/h Carbon Filter, 4m ventilation tubing, and last but not least 2 Cool-Reflector Hoods.

The hoods are a closed setup with the bulb behind a plate of glass similar to a cooltube. There are exhaust holes on top which i'll be connecting to the exhaust vents. Hopefully these working together with the ventilation system will get rid of ANY heat issues i have.

So with all this i should be more or less done with any shopping i may need to do for this project which makes me more happy than you could ever know. I've built up quite a price tag on all this stuff i have so it feels great to not have to lay out any more money for a while. But the rewards will be more than worth it

They should be getting here next week hopefully, i'll keep you posted.

Heres some more pics of my garden before it undergoes the upgrade next week. I'm starting to like how they're beginning to look alot these days. Just gets better and better :jointsmile:

[newmangreen]

OK guys heres some new pics of the girls. The little ones are growing good, no problems there. They got a little stressed the other day from heat. It was the first time i tried leaving them at home all day with the closet door shut.....not good. Temps got way way too high so i wont be doing that until my package arrives. Other than some minor leaf curling from the heat and they just keep looking better and better, but hey...maybe i'm just picky

Still waiting to get my package so i can set up the cool reflectors and tubing and such. I'm thinking thats gonna help alot once i get it all running. I should be able to put the lights WAY closer to the babies without having to worry about heat which has been a big issue. But then again i've been thinking about the room i'm using and it has alot more height than it does width so maybe taller plants instead of bushy ones will be better.

[mtrxdrgn]

Beautiful plants! lookin very healthy!:thumbsup: waitin on the next update :jointsmile:!

[perpetr8r]

Looks awesome! good job :thumbsup:

[newmangreen]

:thumbsup: Finally got the package with the carbon filter, hoods, vent tubing, and nutrients. Just got done setting it all up and i'm liking it.

I'm not too sure if i connected the vent tubes right. I just used duct tape as well as i could and i dont think its air tight. Does anyone know a good way to connect tubing to the hoods in a way that would make them air tight? check out the pics and see.

[mtrxdrgn]

not bad! to fix the gaps in the vent i'd just get some saran wrap and if you can get ur hands on a (hot) blow dryer, seal the wrap around the openings. probably no the most effective solution, but its a solution none the less.:jointsmile: Good Luck!

[newmangreen]

its cool i found a great solution. I found a roll of electrical tape lying around and tried it. Works great!! Its nice because its alot more stretchy than duct tape so i could really get it into the curves of the tubing :thumbsup:

[newmangreen]

hey guys just something i was wondering about. On some of the babies the new growth is kinda curly. Anyone know why this may be?

Other than that things are moving forward. I've started with nutrients at 1/2 of the recommended dose to start with. The curling in the leaves was there before i started feeding them so i dont think thats it.

Check the pic to see the curling i'm talking about.

[perpetr8r]

Plants look great! Last pic, plant on bottom left, make sure you check the underside of the leaves for critters.. could be my failing eyes but looks like some spotting. May be nutes but check just to make sure. Also, you are going to need clamps to connect that tubing to the lights . Duct tape does not hold up well to heat. Clamps are cheap and effective. :thumbsup:

[perpetr8r]

One more thing Newmangreen. Your temp gauge, temp isn't skewed from the sensor hanging over the hood is it? :rastasmoke:

[newmangreen]

Plants look great! Last pic, plant on bottom left, make sure you check the underside of the leaves for critters.. could be my failing eyes but looks like some spotting. May be nutes but check just to make sure. Also, you are going to need clamps to connect that tubing to the lights . Duct tape does not hold up well to heat. Clamps are cheap and effective. :thumbsup:

Yes i've noticed these spots as well. There are no critters though that i'm sure of. I make a habit of checking daily for such things. I really dont know what thats from....but until the others start getting these spots i'm not going to worry too much about it.

Yeah i really need those clamps. Do you mean the metal ones that you tighten with a screwdriver? The tape tends to work well for a day or two then comes undone :(

Well i've started giving them nutes at 1/2 of recommended dose and i dont see any negative effects of that so i'll be continuing with that.

Happy smoking :jointsmile:

[newmangreen]

One more thing Newmangreen. Your temp gauge, temp isn't skewed from the sensor hanging over the hood is it? :rastasmoke:

hey there. Ummmm i really dont think so. I have the actual probe hanging around the top of the plants to get the most accurate temp possible and the gauge up on a shelf to get the ambient temp. Both of which are still too high :(

[perpetr8r]

Sorry bout your temp issue.. can be tough to dial in for sure. And yes, the clamps you tighten with a screwdriver is what you need. only a couple bucks a set. :thumbsup:

[newmangreen]

Sorry bout your temp issue.. can be tough to dial in for sure. And yes, the clamps you tighten with a screwdriver is what you need. only a couple bucks a set. :thumbsup:

Yeah heat is still not as it should be. I have that exhaust fan connected to the reflectors but that small room heats up really quick now that i use both lights...just think how bad it would be if i didnt have the reflectors or vents. That has by far been the most costly of everything here...

I couldnt find those cable clamp things anywhere in this town at the right size i needed. They were all too small or way too big. Instead i bought some heavy duty zip-ties and wrapped those guys around as tight as humanly possible :thumbsup: Those tubes arent going anywhere :)

I also cut the lights down from 24/h to 18/6 because of this heat issue and also that i dont want to stress the plants anymore than they have been as i will start flowering not too far from now. It should save me some cash on the electric bill as well.

I dont really see any negative effects from the nutes i gave them the other day but maybe its too early to tell. I'll keep a close eye on things and if nothing bad happens i'll keep feeding them like i've been doing.

Happy Smoking,
Newman

[newmangreen]

Hello guys and gals

OK so here's everything you missed the last week:

As i said before, i started giving them small doses of nutes....well apparently not small enough. On some of them, the bottom leaves started turning yellow and getting spots. Shortly after that the leaves would die and fall off. I quickly flushed them as soon as i noticed this. They seem to be stable at the moment and improving so thats good, and i've learned a good lesson about those nutes.

Once again i didnt plan ahead good enough and forgot to buy some things. I bought that bag of soil a while ago and never thought "Hey, after i transplant into bigger pots i'm going to need more soil." Oops :( I had enough to transplant 4 of them so thats what i did and i transplanted the biggest of the babies. I'll be getting the soil this week or at the latest monday or tuesday.

I've been seeing pre-buds forming on many of the babies :D Finally i'm seeing some progress here. I really love the big fat leaves that are there now. They must be 2 inches across:thumbsup:!! I'm going to start flowering after i finish installing the carbon filter and transplanting the other babies. I know the very small babies are not at all ready to bud but i dont really have a choice. It should be very interesting seeing such small plants produce buds.


There are some pics where you can see the damage done by the nutrients. But for the most part they look good. Some plants got hit harder than others though

[newmangreen]

Hey guys i need kind of a quick answer.

My ventilation system is quite loud....very loud. So loud that it may be worth investing in a silencer or muffler.

I need to know how good these "silencers" work.

Nordic Grow AB - Ljudd�¤mpare f�¶r fl�¤kt 125mm (http://shop.textalk.se/se/articleimage.php?id=2586&image=163985&fullwidth=0&fullheight=0)

They're not that cheap so i dont want to buy it if it's not going to work all that great. If u know anything about them, lemme know ASAP how well they work so i know if i should order it or not.

Happy smoking and Thank You,
Newman Green :rasta:

[newmangreen]

Hello fellow stoners :hippy:

Sorry i havent updated in a while, i've been very busy....or lazy....or maybe a mix of the two :jointsmile:

Well here's what you've missed:

I started flowering about a week or so ago and i can already see some buds forming, which is fucking awesome :thumbsup:

I havent gotten my package with the soil i need to transplant them...not so awesome. I know the girls are HATING those small pots they're in but there's nothing i can do until i get that dirt. Hopefully tomorrow, its already taking longer than any other package in the past so i dont think it will be much longer. The ones i havent transplanted look considerably smaller and weaker than the ones i have so i really wanna get the others on board.


Its starting to look like a real Field of Green in my closet now. Sometimes i'll just stand there and stare into my closet. I LOVE IT!!

[irydyum]

hey guys just something i was wondering about. On some of the babies the new growth is kinda curly. Anyone know why this may be?

Other than that things are moving forward. I've started with nutrients at 1/2 of the recommended dose to start with. The curling in the leaves was there before i started feeding them so i dont think thats it.

Check the pic to see the curling i'm talking about.

I recently started growing white widow from gh and noticed the same curling in the new growth. I think it's just a process the FATASS indica leaves need to go through to get to their final width. Could you imagine how big the tops would have to be to accomodate that fat of a leaf when it's born? Just food for thought. Lookin nice tho

[newmangreen]

hey guys, just wanted to post some more pics. I love how these girls are growing. They've been in flowering for about 10 days and you can really see those white pistils starting to grow everywhere.

The Church strain has a much more sweet, or perhaps fruity smell. The Himalaya Gold is more pungent and has an almost musty or wild smell.

I sent an e-mail to the site that i buy all my supplies from and i got some bad news....they are on holiday until this wednesday so i wont be able to transplant until i get that, which will probably be the wednesday after that including in the shipping time. It seems i fucked up pretty bad there :(

[newmangreen]

Hey guys.

So its been a while. But things are going more or less good. They're starting to pack on some real weight now. I actually had to tie one up because it was starting to lean a little.

STILL NO PACKAGE ....really pissed about that.....I managed to transplant two of them with the old that that was too harsh for the seedlings. They looked so much better the morning after.

On a good note. The ladies are starting to get nice and frosty now. I feel like every day i can see the progress

Anyways, Happy Smoking and i'll keep you posted

[newmangreen]

:thumbsup: Ahh i finally got ALL the soil i'll need for a while. I had to call a taxi to get it home because it weighed so damn much :mad: It took a long time to transplant everything and i even got some cleaning done in the room, so thats good too. It looks alot nicer in there though i think, kinda more professional in a way. I'll have to remember all this for my next grow. I'm just gonna order EVERYTHING in advance so i'm prepared....but still not bad for my first real committed indoor grow.

Now all i have to do is stay on top of the nutes and i'm in the clear. Well here's some new pics of the room setup as it is now. And of course....some pot porn :D

[newmangreen]

Hey guys and gals

Ok so they've all been transplanted for a few days now, and i can already see a difference. The leaves are starting to get gradually more green starting from the top and working its way down. They've really starting packing on weight now, and in the process one fell over. Or rather a big bushy one fell over, which in turn knocked another down.....so thats kinda lame. They seem perfectly fine though so i dont mind all too much. Maybe i'll tie them up or something.

I figure i probably have around a month or so left until the big day Very Happy Man i cant wait!!! Its getting so tempting these days. Guess i'll be learning some self control as well Wink

Happy Smokin

[KillerBudG]

Keep up your hard work:thumbsup:, And you will love the reward that your ladies produce for you. Also it takes a run or 2 for you to get your op dialed in. So you should have most your problems straightin out by next go good luck Happy growen.



~One~:rastasmoke:
~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[newmangreen]

Hey everyone.

It just dawned on me that i havent posted any pics of The Church in a while. The pics i showed you last week were Himalaya Gold.

Well, The Church is really starting to bud now. Theyre blowing up :D I think its gonna end up being the star of the crop. Sure Himalaya Gold is supposed to be great too, but The Church has a FANTASTIC smell to her. Its so fruity and minty. Makes my mouth water every time i smell them ;)

Something odd is going on with one of the Himalaya Gold. Its the big one in the picture below. Sure she looks healthy and strong and all that. But the buds are nowhere near as developed as the others and they dont seem to be growing near as fast. Any ideas?

Ok well the first one is Himalaya Gold and the last 3 are of The Church. You can really see how tall Himalaya Gold can get :)

[drudown11]

to prevent stretching move your light closer to the plants(thats what helped me)

[drudown11]

got another question, did you get your seeds from the seed website advertised on cannibus.com?

[newmangreen]

got another question, did you get your seeds from the seed website advertised on cannibus.com?

Everything i get is from "Green House Seeds." Google it:thumbsup:

So here's a pic of what my closet is looking like and some more bud porn :jointsmile:

[newmangreen]

BAD NEWS!!!

I've been wondering for a while what those white-ish spots on the leaves were. I know thats what it looks like when you have some kinda pest or bugs but i couldnt for the life of me find any so i didnt worry about it.

Now i notice that there are more starting to show. In the beginning they were so few and far between that i didnt really care all too much.

So today i checked really closely and i found that i DO in fact have bugs. They're really really small, thats why i didnt see them at first. I have to really look to find them but they're there. On some girls they moved right in. As best i can tell, they look like like tiny winged bugs.

I NEED HELP!! What are these bugs? I took a picture as best i could but they are so tiny that it wasnt very easy. I have no idea what they are....Anyone know? And how worried should i be for these little bugs? Cures? Sorry for all the questions but i really dont want these.

[irydyum]

That looks like a whitefly to me. I think it's a great picture btw.

I have never had to deal with them so rather than quote you something I don't know works for sure, I'd suggest you do a search for whiteflies on here and see what others have had success with.

Wierd, but i read that they are attracted to the color yellow. Might be a neat experiment to put something yellow with some tanglefoot or something on it and see if you can catch the buggers.

[miltiano32]

Green house seeds doesn't ship to the united states?

[irydyum]

Green house seeds doesn't ship to the united states?

Seedbanks do :thumbsup:

[newmangreen]

I've checked google and it does indeed look like thrips to me. I've found loads of sprays and pesticides with wierd long names that without a doubt will be impossible for me to find in this small town i live in....I hope they'll manage until harvest.

Just one problem after another with this grow. Then again, it is my first real "Pro" indoor grow so i guess its to be expected.

If any veteran growers have also had problems with these i'd love to hear how you dealt with them. Or if i should just wait until after harvest (2 weeks) then bomb the living FUCK out of my room.


Much Love :hippy:

[Italiano715]

If your harvesting in 2 weeks then there really is no point to rid them now. All you will do is make your buds possibly toxic with any of the pest shit. Ride it out till the end and when it's all said and done get some pyrethrum to "bomb" the grow room with. Basically it's that stuff at CVS that you spray on a bed to rid of bugs..... The stuff dissappates pretty fast so you shouldn't have a problem with residual spray caking up the walls and shit.

[weezer]

there are sticky that mount on a little post that you stick in the top of the pot
there are yellow and blue not sure what coulor is for thrips ,i use yellol for fungus gnates..walmart sells them

[newmangreen]

Hello again.

Back with new pics of the church. I'm pleasantly surprised by the amount of bud that these girls have. We started flowering after less than a week in the veg cycle....and they still ended up like this :thumbsup:

The Himalaya gold is also doing well. We wont be able to harvest all of them at once because a few are maturing faster than others it seems. But they are looking pretty great.


The thrips are becoming more and apparent with alot more leaf damage....which sucks but theres no point doing anything so late in the grow.

Heres some pics of one of the church girls.

[newmangreen]

Ok everyone,

Big news! I checked up on a few of them out of curiosity because they were always looking kinda wierd to me. So i look close and i notice 2 and a possible 3rd had hermied a while ago that i managed to miss. They all seem to be Himalaya Gold as well....which makes sense seeing how badly they got stressed in veg.

I'm deciding to play it safe this time and just cut down and harvest the 3 in question. I'm not about to risk the whole crop......Thankfully they all had some very nice buds on them. Keep in mind the buds on all of them arent fully matured..

There are about 4 or 5 more of them that look further developed and more mature than the others so they will also be harvested earlier than some....I'm guessing next weekend or maybe middle next week.


So anyways, i had a blast harvesting (despite how premature some were) the ladies. It gave me a real taste of whats to come....


So here are the pics from the first in a series of 3 harvests i'll be having. I have no idea how much we got total but a scale is on the way :thumbsup:

[newmangreen]

OK everyone,

Heres the second harvest in a series of 3. This was much better than last time. We actually have fully matured fat nugs :D I got my scale in the mail but they havent fully dried and cured yet so theres no point posting the yield right now.

One of The Church was really looking nice and ready to go so i nabbed him as well. All i can say is wow!! Really really nice nugs on her.

So the next harvest should be the rest of the babies, and all of the very healthy ones so that will be the real harvest for me. I'll keep you posted.

Happy smoking :thumbsup:

Well here are the pics, enjoy ;)

[newmangreen]

Hello everyone,

OK just stopping in after the last few harvests with more pics. More specifically a visual comparison between "The Church" and "Himalaya Gold." Let me know what you think.

So theres one more harvest to go, which will be 3 or 4 more plants. I'll keep you posted when i do pluck 'em :)


Enjoy :D

[newmangreen]

Hey guys and gals,


Just super bored so i figure i'll put up a little post with my plans for next grow and what i want to do different this time.

First of all, let me start with a yield report from this grow. Keep in mind this grow isn't quite over yet. I still have 4 Churches and 3 Himalaya left. My yield suffered pretty bad this time around :( All the stress from the super harsh soil in the beginning, combined with the need to transplant like fuck gave me a relatively small amount of bud. Hehe although it is really great stuff i would have liked to seen alot more and i think next time i'll be able to double of even triple the harvest.

The 7 plants i have left are the 4 Church that matured slower than the others, and 3 Himalaya Gold, which through some sort of events 2 had started vegging again. Or at least thats what i think has happened. Two of them started budding and looking nice, then all of a sudden it stopped and they grew around a foot more ( lol sorry , i dont know what a foot is in the metric system :thumbsup: ) As a result they are now MASSIVE and needed to be tied up. Lucky to have the big room that i've been blessed with :) The last Himalaya was one that was in the back of the room during the whole grow and didnt get near as much light as the others, so it hasnt really kickstarted fully yet. Check the pics, the really really big ones are the Himalaya.

I'll be looking forward to only having 10 growing next time. It would have been so much easier getting in and watering them, or trimming them etc.. I figure since this grow worked out i might as well keep going and grow again. Hopefully no one has caught on yet ;)

Well i'd like to thank all the people followed this thread and gave me advice through the rough times this grow. I'll be looking forward to seeing you next time. I'll just post a new thread when i'm ready to go and as always, i'll try and keep you posted Smile

Well here are some pics of the dry and (mostly) cured product and what my closet is looking like now.

[Lanietheberner]

They are tooooooo big for an effective indoor grow, I know of several people who have nice outdoor children at are 12' and they are 8' in diameter.

Try them outside, you'll be much happier!

[newmangreen]

They are tooooooo big for an effective indoor grow, I know of several people who have nice outdoor children at are 12' and they are 8' in diameter.

Try them outside, you'll be much happier!

so very true. these girls get HUGE! It was a great experience though, no regrets here :thumbsup: I also think they would have thrived better outdoors... I believe Himalaya Gold is the fastest growing indica GHS has at the moment, thats what made me try it.

It would be a shame to let all this equipment go to waste though :)

Happy Smokin

[Lanietheberner]

been the biggest outdoor producers I've seen. We're at 2000' elevation on east side of the Sacramento valley.

The only caviots are that they need lots of water and don't handle 100-90F weather well, but they are a very nice product!!!!

Looks like you've done a very nice job!:thumbsup: