New setup ok?

[fred666777]

i just wanted to check to see if this setup will work. im having some problems with my plants and i dont know whats wrong

Video of setup 1 (http://img531.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sany10046999034cj6.flv)
video of setup 2 (http://img531.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sany10057223075tn0.flv)

[bigtopsfinn]

Hard to see anything. Best bet is to go to the plant problems section, and fill out the form best you can, and start up a new thread in that section. Get some closer pics of your plant... someone will help you out. There's a lot of DWC growers around the boards, so try and get their attention with a thread title like "Plants are drooping in DWC"... something like that :jointsmile:

[Divestoned]

There's a lot of DWC growers around the boards, so try and get their attention with a thread title like "Plants are drooping in DWC"... something like that :jointsmile:

Listen too this guy, he's talkin sense.

Dive:stoned:

[socialistpete]

What is the water level at in the rez compared to the bottom of plants basket? Droopiness is usually a sign of dehydration. If your plants roots haven't dropped into the res then make sure that the water level is just under your basket or up to 1 inch higher than the bottom of the basket. On that note the problem could be the amount of air bubbles in your res, you want a vigorous roll that covers at least have of the surface of your res. If there is not enough air in your res solution your plants are basically drowning. Also have you noticed any differences in the leaf as far as coloring?

[socialistpete]

One more thing, what are your res temps? 68F is perfect.

[fred666777]

it was more the setup i was worried about the plant is all messed up

[bigtopsfinn]

Yes, something is wrong with your setup. Isn't the point of your setup to grow healthy plants??? If it's not doing that, then something is wrong. Try to answer the questions people ask, and you will get your answers.

[socialistpete]

To be perfectly honest with you your entire setup is garbage, you wont yield anything off that.

[fred666777]

To be perfectly honest with you your entire setup is garbage, you wont yield anything off that.

thank you would a setup of a box 1'x1'x2' work for just one plant?

[socialistpete]

Yes that would be much better space. what type of bulb do you plan on flowering with?

[elskeetro]

SocialistPete is giving some good info.

Like he said...Make sure there is plenty of bubbles. The more the better. Looking at the second video you posted, it looks like you've got a fair amount already but consider adding another airstone when you can. I've lost several plants due to root suffocation in DWC. Just ask Pete, he's told me countless times to get better airstones. So listen to him, he's good at DWC.

Your water level looks very low. Raise it until it's just touching the bottom of the pot. Once you have more (much more) roots then the waterline can drop, but until then keep it close to the netpot.

Is your pH in check? That plant, aside from being droopy, looks like it's got some health issues causing those cabbage looking leaves. Start with pH and we'll go from there.

keep it up.
Skeet.

[socialistpete]

SocialistPete is giving some good info.

So listen to him, he's good at DWC.



Thanks buddy:D

[fred666777]

Yes that would be much better space. what type of bulb do you plan on flowering with?

i was planning on flowering with a cfl i dont know how well it will work.
any suggestions?

[fred666777]

Your water level looks very low. Raise it until it's just touching the bottom of the pot. Once you have more (much more) roots then the waterline can drop, but until then keep it close to the netpot.

Is your pH in check? That plant, aside from being droopy, looks like it's got some health issues causing those cabbage looking leaves. Start with pH and we'll go from there.

keep it up.
Skeet.

ph is ok 6.0
new leaves look ok to me
moved water level up to about 1/2" under basket.
Water level video (http://img531.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sany10468946940fw7.flv)

[socialistpete]

Looking good man!! I forget what the lummens you would need are, Skeet will prob chime back in he just set our buddy up with a sweet cab and he's using cfls.

[elskeetro]

Yeah man. Those pics you just posted look good.

Everyone always says you should look at PAR and not Lumens...but fuck that...lumens is way easier to calculate and it's right on the box.

Anyways...The bare minimum you want for good growth is 5000 lumens per square foot. The cab i just built (as pete mentioned) uses 26w CFLs. Each bulb puts out 1750 lumens. There are 12 bulbs for a total of 21,000 lumens. The cab is 30"x15" for 3.125 square feet. That puts us at around 6700 lumens per square foot. we have yet to put plants in the box, but i have no doubt that there is plenty of light in there.

So...if you have just the one plant in a 12"x12" area...i would say a minimum of 3 26w CFLs. That would give you 5250 Lumens per sq foot. Of course at that price you should do 4+ bulbs and see some killer growth. Think about side lighting too. Don't let the plant get too big if you are using only CFLs. Flower when the plant is 8-10 inches. CFLs need to be as close to the plant as possible without burning. About 1 inch away is optimal.

Lookin good fella!
Skeet.

[fred666777]

so for the lower lights do you think like 2 or 3 10-13watt bulbs would work and then 4 26watts near the top?

[elskeetro]

Yeah, i think that would get you going pretty well. When you buy the bulbs, look on the package and check the lumen rating just to be sure you have enough. I find that the best deal is at lowes. There's a 6 pack of 26w/2700k/1750 lumens for like $11. I would say 4 of those bulbs on top and 2 below/middle for side lighting.

Of course i would say the best bet with CFLs is some kind of training, LST or ScrOG and put all the bulbs just above the canopy. Everything below the screen/not in direct light gets trimmed off 2 weeks into flowering.

CFLs work fine, you just gotta maximize your canopy and efficiency.

Skeet.

[fred666777]

ill have to set that up when i get all of the stuff to set up the new room.
how big do you think the roots should be before lowering the water level?

[elskeetro]

Hell yeah! That is looking great!

Technically, if you have enough bubbles/oxygen at the root zone, you could leave the water level where it is and it'll be fine.

The way it's looking now, another few days and i imagine you'll have enough root mass to lower the level. I wouldn't lower it too much, maybe 1-3 inches below the pot. You want enough so when the bubbles pop at the water line the spray hits the roots hanging in the air. Don't let those dry out or you are headed on your way to trouble.

Dont worry, you'll see how it is. As long as you have bubbles, low res temps (65-72F) , and no light leaks in your res, you'll be fine.

Skeet.

[fred666777]

there is some kind of slime growing in the reservoir on the bubble stones and the air hosing is that normal?

[socialistpete]

Yes that happens take them out and rinse them off.

[fred666777]

the light fell on my plant last night and it burnt it is it possible for it to come back or should i start a new one?

[LOC NAR on probation]

I might start a new one but I would not give up on that one yet. Maybe stressed but it should come back and more bushy too. Kind of like topping with a blow torch. Hang in there.

[fluid69]

wow, that sucks! if it can go wrong, it will go wrong.

[fred666777]

if i do keep this should i trim off the burnt leaves?

[LOC NAR on probation]

If the whole leaf is burnt to the stem then yes take it off but otherwise just leave it. Don't do more stress.

[socialistpete]

Best bet is not to fuck with it at all, that plant is fine and should bounce right back in a few days!!

[fred666777]

ok looking better already

[fred666777]

new room is done