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2600
03-20-2005, 10:53 AM
A recent thread reminded me of the few times I have resorted to the gravity bong in the past. Usually it was when I had been smoking too way too much and had a ridiculously high tolerance, so that was the only way I was really going to get high.

So if you've been there, you also know that after you hit one, you are done for the day (in terms of just being able to hit a normal piece, or roll a j and expect to get anything from it after hitting a gravity).

Now if you guys do g'bongs the way we used to (slooow draws with a 3l bottle or bigger in tubs), it's nearly impossible to physically inhale the dense clouds they form, filled. And even if you could, it IS impossible to keep it down long enough to absorb that mass in your lungs. It's a waste. You can actually take a bigger hit than what you can absorb in one inhalation from a normal 2-3 foot b Think of all the smoke you blow OUT from any giant hit (=waste). So the gravity bong (5), I would rank last in terms of efficiency (although the most dominant force; like what Shaq is to the NBA.)

Next would be the blunt(4). They are great, because much "burn horsepower" is at your disposal with very little draw (big fire at the end, large volume to draw through means you don't have to suck hard for smoke). However, with that large fire, comes large waste. WHen you stop the draw, the fire is still burning fierce for a time after wards, and much excess smoke escapes. So they are great for when you are drunk, because the big fire keeps them from going out quickly, and you don't give a fuck about the burnoff, because you are smashed.

With similiar pros and cons as the blunt, the joint(3) ranks slightly more efficient, because while there is still burnoff, the radius is not as large,so its waste is not as significant. Also a bonus for the joint and blunt are the "self resinating" nature. Remember those pipes with a chamber in the middle you could put weed in, and after you smoke enough bowls through it, using the weed inside as a sort of filter, that stash comes out caked in resin? The same principle applies to j's, because as you get towards the end, the weed has filtered unto itself (when you break up roaches, you'll notice the resin factor). BUt still ultimately inefficient.

The most efficient of course are normal bowls(2) of varying sizes (the smaller the bowl, the more efficient the device, less backsmoke), with one hitters(1) being the most efficient.

Now a caveat to my efficiency scale. I tried to isolate the function of EFFECTS in terms of AMOUNT SMOKED (mass). You could operationally define efficiency however you wanted. Some might choose EFFECTS in terms of TIME SPENT SMOKING (duration), in which case, my rankings would be almost exactly in reverse order. And if you are a lightweight (like taken off 8 months!), then it doesn't matter. One hitter, blunt, whatever. If it;s potent buds, you[re going down.

Another note on the distinction between normal B's and G-B's. While both utilize water, only a normal B takes full advantage of it's benefits- the water in a G-B is only there as a mass to draw in smoke. It wouldn't make much of a difference if it were a giant rubber plunger instead-smoke does not "bubble" through the water as it does in a normal water B. Because when the smoke is filtered through the water, two things happen: The first, making the hit smoother, is an opinion, although newtons law of cooling is not. When a hot mass comes in contact w/a cold one, depending on mass ratio's and cooling coefficients, heat is transferred from one to the other until homogeny is reached. So, the smoke loses heat, and the water gains it. I consider this a smoother hit, but some don't. The other benefit of filtering through water is the hydration of the smoke itself. Tiny particulates in the smoke become trapped in airborne water molecules and are inhaled. The hydration facilitates absorption (I don't know for sure, but it seems like ice, while cooling more, may hydrate less b/c colder temp means less evaporation).

I am sure I left some devices out, which might fall in and between my efficiency categories- auto (mechanical) pipes, screw on bowls for bottles (pre fab for two liters bottles, comes w/tubes etc), and of course eating is not very efficient, but is on a completely different continuum all together I think. Vaporizers are pretty efficient (since you still have all your weed left afterwards! I'd say infinite efficiency is good!), but not on the same scale, since the buds are not combusted.

Also, you CAN make any device extremely efficient, simply by learning exactly how much weed goes into one hit. For example, if you draw a bong dark from a full bowl, when you stop, the backsmoke pours out from what's left in the bowl burning. However, just pack the amount that filled that one hit, and hit it until it flushes. Everything burned is now in the bong, not in the air (until you exhale it).

Point is, if you are short on weed, take smaller hits, hold them in longer, pack what you hit, and smoke out of the smallest device you have (as long as it's not metal or foil or something dangerous; also holding hits in longer=more harmful effects, but hey, so does smoking more weed)!

2600
03-20-2005, 11:25 AM
Oh, and despite discussing at length normal bongs, I left them out of the ranking. I would have them somewhere b/t bowls and j's.

Rarrr
03-20-2005, 11:31 AM
I think the most efficient way of be to pack a bong pull it slowly so no debree falls through and have it at a perfect amount to your lung capacity but that may be i little too techniqual i think ill just stick to smokin it :D

hoodedclum
03-20-2005, 11:31 AM
Id say the gravity buket is the most efficient by far if u take it up in one sup.. how can it be the least for you, you must be doing them wrong.
I always take them in one hit and hold them, you just need to get used to em

Rarrr
03-20-2005, 11:34 AM
but i wouldnt hav a clue hahahaha

hoodedclum
03-20-2005, 11:38 AM
yer what ever just smoke it :cool:

2600
03-20-2005, 12:13 PM
Id say the gravity buket is the most efficient by far if u take it up in one sup.. how can it be the least for you, you must be doing them wrong.
I always take them in one hit and hold them, you just need to get used to em


Yeah, you can pack just what you are going to hit, and that makes it better; but what I am talking about is a point of limiting returns. There is a size limit at which your lungs cannot absorb any more smoke in one hit (unless you are capable of holding your breath for minutes on end). The amount of smoke that goes into your lungs from a super dense g-bong hit can not be fully absorbed- they get all they can, but then too much is left over for exhale. It's overkill, and the price is unnecessary loss of weed.

In terms of what you can get out of one hit, or even in terms of time (unless you count setup), the g-bong wins of course- from what else can you get such a powerful hit? But as I pointed out, my operational definition of efficiency was to minimize mass of weed smoked. I don't think the gb does so well in that regard.

(thanks for bringin back Jack)

hoodedclum
03-20-2005, 12:20 PM
Yeah, you can pack just what you are going to hit, and that makes it better; but what I am talking about is a point of limiting returns. There is a size limit at which your lungs cannot absorb any more smoke in one hit (unless you are capable of holding your breath for minutes on end). The amount of smoke that goes into your lungs from a super dense g-bong hit can not be fully absorbed- they get all they can, but then too much is left over for exhale. It's overkill, and the price is unnecessary loss of weed.

In terms of what you can get out of one hit, or even in terms of time (unless you count setup), the g-bong wins of course- from what else can you get such a powerful hit? But as I pointed out, my operational definition of efficiency was to minimize mass of weed smoked. I don't think the gb does so well in that regard.

(thanks for bringin back Jack)



lol...

Theres a pretty simple way around that 2600, do smaller hits so you can take it all at once and hold it. You aint loosing much smoke that way.

2600
03-20-2005, 12:23 PM
I think the most efficient way of be to pack a bong pull it slowly so no debree falls through and have it at a perfect amount to your lung capacity but that may be i little too techniqual i think ill just stick to smokin it :D


Yeah, that's actually a confounding variable I was thinking of when arguing for packing smaller amounts. The more bowls you smoke, the more often that happens (regardless the amount the bowl contained). That little bit you see flush through the stem that isn't completely spent is painful.

Slow draws keep that from happening as much. And if you cap your bowls (eg put a lighter over it right after you draw to extinguish), I think the tradeoff is still less (for smoking more small bowls).

2600
03-20-2005, 12:30 PM
lol...

Theres a pretty simple way around that 2600, do smaller hits so you can take it all at once and hold it. You aint loosing much smoke that way.


Exactly. Read the last paragraph in my initial post ("Point is...").

If we agree that taking sesible hits (that we can hold anyways) is preferable, then my whole argument was to stick w/a normal size bong, since the purpose of a G-B is to "force feed" GIANT hits (or at least it always was for us).

DrGonzo
03-20-2005, 03:08 PM
force-feeding GIANT hits is way too much of a waste; usually my friends and I only use the g-bongs for MAD sessions, and then we have a system that allows a large g-bong to be brewed and smoked by all involved; one person (not the smoker) controls the bong, and everybody takes a lungful before it goes stale; we end up with little to no wasted smoke and a bunch of stoners on the floor giggling

Dr Timothy Leary
03-20-2005, 08:12 PM
everyone should jus pull themselves a 'stitcher bucket'...and see what happens, coz gravity bongs/buckets are nice :D

slipnslide087
03-21-2005, 03:29 PM
NOT A WASTE* THC is absorbed really fast. no need to hold it in. if you feel an extra buzz from holding it in.....oxygen depravation and what not.....take big rips!!!!

Sensi Super Skunk
03-21-2005, 06:37 PM
I have a theory. I have actually been thinking about it for some time. It is nearly impossible to absorb all of the THC from the smoke you inhale. What ever comes in contact with the walls of your lungs (but not all of the smoke comes in contact with the walls, because we exhale the smoke after we feel that it is time to) are absorbed by the right pulmonary vein in the lungs, which then leads to the right atrium, I do believe. With that being said, all THC from a hit can never all be absorbed entirely, unless you take a ghost hit. If anyone wants, I'll tell you about another theory of mine.

slipnslide087
03-21-2005, 08:49 PM
whats another theory of yours.

Edgar
03-21-2005, 09:11 PM
I think 2600 explained this all perfectly the first time, I dont know why anyone felt the need to make him repeat himself... By the way, who is that a picture of slipnslide?

slipnslide087
03-21-2005, 09:14 PM
the one and only,,.....michael bolton.....in the peak of his lovely career!!!!!!!!!!!

DontPassOnGrass
03-21-2005, 10:03 PM
All i kno is that "G's"(gravity bongs) get you ripped of less weed than it would take out of a bowl. a good tip is to use a 20oz bottle instead of a 2 liter or smthing large.
this will allow for all the smoke to be inhaled and none left over.
the more i think about it, pullin Gs is the most effective method. but thats jst the way i see it, here is my ranking from best to worst.

1. g's
2. ... well lets jst say it wont get you as high as a couple good g's.

PEACE

slipnslide087
03-21-2005, 10:07 PM
yep^^^

except you can inhale all the smoke from a 2 liter......fucka 20oz..

simply orange orange juice bottles work best. BIG OPENING at the top.

Sensi Super Skunk
03-21-2005, 10:14 PM
My other theory is about the smoke particles that get stuck on the surface of your lungs. When one inhales smoke, particles get stuck in your lungs airways. As your heart beats, these particles (which still contain THC) continuously are transferred from your lungs to ones bloodstream. I am surprised that I haven't found any scientific studies about this, other than tar studies.

slipnslide087
03-21-2005, 10:18 PM
any more theories i should hear about????

Green1
03-21-2005, 10:26 PM
I don't know man, I'm more for the blunt.
All it takes me is a couple of hits and dam man - am I blazed!
So a blunt is perfect for me...Easier to pull -

Also, I have a question that some might be able to help me with...

When your taking a pull out of a bowl, do you:
Pull as much as you can and then inhale
or
While pulling your letting your esophagus open and just inhale it after...

Because when I take a pull and then inhale, I don't get blazed. But when I inhale while lighting my bowl, I get blazed like crazy! But! the problem is when I do that, it kills my throat! It burns! And I've been doing this for a while. Is that ok? Advice...

slipnslide087
03-21-2005, 10:29 PM
both ways work for me. it depends what im smoking out of.

Green1
03-21-2005, 10:33 PM
But when inhaling while burning, doesn't it hurt your throat? It hurts mine so what do you think I should do?

Sensi Super Skunk
03-21-2005, 10:35 PM
My theories could go on and on. Too many to type.

Green1
03-21-2005, 10:35 PM
Well any advice would be helpful man...

slipnslide087
03-21-2005, 10:40 PM
you'll get used to it......im sure the back of my throat is in bad shape.....i have a bong with an ice catcher that cools the smoke.....you might look into one of those.

Green1
03-21-2005, 10:42 PM
That sounds awesome man! Thanks...

I was wondering why you can't use a "hooka" for marijuana. My brother told me when your smoking a hooka (with flavored tobacco), you don't even feel that shit go down your throat - so smoothe...

slipnslide087
03-21-2005, 10:45 PM
thats bc its tobacco. hookahs are awesome for smokin buds man.

Green1
03-21-2005, 10:46 PM
So you can smoke marijuana out of hookas...Nice -

What, you just stuff the bud in the top part where the holes are?

Sensi Super Skunk
03-21-2005, 10:47 PM
If cannabis and/or users were to all get their trachea and bronchial tubes scraped, a black substance would be found. It just takes time for you to become use to the burning sensation. When the tar builds up enough (another theory) on the surface of one's trachea and bronchial tubes, you won't feel pain anymore, because the skin is covered too much for you too feel anything. Unless one was to use a water pipe or vaporizer.

Green1
03-21-2005, 10:49 PM
So we have resin sitting at the back of our throats?

Can that build up and cause oxygen blockage causing choking, lol?

slipnslide087
03-21-2005, 10:54 PM
yeah i just scraped my throat and upper esophagus...got a monster resin ball

Sensi Super Skunk
03-21-2005, 10:55 PM
Not resin, just tar that has built up. But, it is not psychoactive.

slipnslide087
03-21-2005, 10:56 PM
mine is!

Sensi Super Skunk
03-21-2005, 11:01 PM
yeah i just scraped my throat and upper esophagus...got a monster resin ball
Not to look like a smart ass, man. :D Your esophagus is the tube that transfers food from the mouth to the stomach. I think you meant the trachea and bronchial tubes.

Peace

slipnslide087
03-21-2005, 11:07 PM
nope!!! i meant my esophagus....i know body parts man. and im not going to stick a paper clip into my lungs.

420ultimatesmokage
03-21-2005, 11:08 PM
i made a g-bong that has a metal stem going down the middle into the water making it bubble. it make the hits smoother and less harsh.

slipnslide087
03-21-2005, 11:08 PM
there was much resin on the esophagus though. :mad:

Sensi Super Skunk
03-21-2005, 11:14 PM
nope!!! i meant my esophagus....i know body parts man. and im not going to stick a paper clip into my lungs.
Nah, docters have a special tool for scraping.

slipnslide087
03-22-2005, 04:14 AM
im no doctor.