Individual Counties

[OldFart]

In my daily work (servicing copy machines) I spend quite a bit of time in customers offices in 5 counties. These offices include a number of local PD's and County Sheriff's offices. I have on several occasions heard comment regarding MMJ. I was suprised to discover that each agency views the law differently. Some common items I have heard bother me a bit though:

1) Many of them don't view MMJ as legit medicine but as a way for hoodlums to get away with something that they shouldn't be doing.

2) Several agencies are looking for ways to force local registration so that they know where all MMJ activity takes place.

3) Many MMJ recomendations are considered to be "questionable" simply because the paperwork/form from the physician is sloppy or unprofessional looking. Apparently the purdy colored letterhead makes the recommendation "more legal".....

4) It gets worse. I have heard comment that a particular MMJ recommendation was probably phony because the picture of the recommending physician that they found on the net "looked like a stoner"...

If your local law enforcement does not agree with the validity of your MMJ recommendation they can still arrest you and try and make you prove it to the Judge. A legit recommendation should not be difficult to back up in court but the time, money and hassle involved could be quite significant.

IMHO: There are two things that may help:

1) Send copies of the "King County Memorandum", that another member kindly provided, to your local Police Chief or Sheriff. Please make lots of copies as I need the work :)

2) Impress on the Physicians and Support Organizations that presenting a professional image to the general public and to law enforcement is critical.

[gypski]

I can't wait to read Sandybarr's comments to this one. Look out, you will be their next target. :thumbsup:

[killerweed420]

The cops I meet tend to be the same as the public to a certain extent. A wide range of viewpoints on MMJ. The problem of course is police are in a position to persecute anyone they think is a crook.
I think you should get the fax numbers of every copier you work on and we''ll all start faxing correct info to them so they can make an educated decision.lol

[sandybarr]

I think that these things that you ask for will not help one bit.
Here is why.

The feds got together and decided that they did not want to interfere with State mmj laws because it would be viewed as outside interference and going against the will of the people.They thought about amending 903 of the federal CSA but were advised against it.They chose to condition federal granst on states enforcing a federal drug control policy.

The County drug task forces have signed what is called a statement of assurances to enforce a federal drug control policy.The WSP,LT Governor Governor ,and all the drug task forces have signed them.The WSP has entered into a regional drug task force agreement which puts the DEA in charge of the drug task forces.In effect our state drug task forces have been commandeered by the feds with federal JAG grants and interlocal,interagency,HIDTA GRANTS,AND REGIONAL AGREEMENTS.

This notion that we should make things easier for counties,when the county charter authority rulings clearly say that county laws are subordinate to state general laws in matters beyond local concern and have to follow state general laws,and not create special county versions..is Poppycock

It is the federal preemption grants that give the counties what they feel is a right to enforce federal law.That is why trying to make things more clear for the counties that have all signed federal grants to enforce a federal drug control policy would not work.

The MMJ WAC created in November is all the counties need,and a copy of the County charter authority,which clearly states that county laws are subordinate to state general laws.

If a prosecutor wants to extort you for a state plea in the threat of going federal,now there will be a Democratically appointed US Attorney that won't take a case less than One hundred plant I am guessing.

Thousands of dollars worth of Public disclosure requests can back this up.Sarich even knows this to be true.

[sandybarr]

TACOMA REGIONAL TASK FORCE AGREEMENT
FY 2005
This agreement is made this 30th day of September 2004, between
the United States Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration (hereinafter "DEA"), and the Washington State Patrol (hereinafter "WSP").
Whereas there is evidence that trafficking in narcotics and dangerous drugs exists in the Pierce County, Washington area and that such illegal activity has a substantial and detrimental effect on the health and general welfare of the people of Pierce County, Washington, the parties hereto agree to the following:
1. The Tacoma Regional Task Force will perform the activities and duties described below:
a.
Disrupt the illicit drug traffic in the Pierce County, Washington area by immobilizing targeted violators and trafficking organizations;
b.
Gather and report intelligence data relating to trafficking in narcotics and dangerous drugs; and
c.
Conduct undercover operations where appropriate and engage in other traditional methods of investigation in order that the Task Force's activities will result in effective prosecution before the courts of the United States and the State of Washington.
2.
To accomplish the objectives of the Tacoma Regional Task Force, the WSP agrees to detail one (1) experienced officer to the Tacoma Regional Task Force for a period of not less than two (2) years. During this period of assignment I the WSP Officer will be under the direct supervision and control of DEA supervisory personnel assigned to the Task Force.
3.
The WSP Officer assigned to the Task Force shall adhere to all DEA policies and procedures. Failure to adhere to DEA policies and procedures shall be grounds for dismissal from the Task Force.[/B]4.
The WSP Officer assigned to the Task Force shall be deputized as a Task Force Officer of DEA pursuant to 21, U.S.C. 878.
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[sandybarr]

TACOMA REGIONAL TASK FORCE
EXECUTIVE BOARD MEETING
MINUTES
February 14, 2007
Present: RAe Scott Gordon, DEA GS Fred Bjomberg, WSP Chief Jim Collyer, PPD Chief Mike Mitchell, BLPD Lt. Rich Wiley, WSP Capt. Paul Mielbrecht, TPD Capt. Rick Adamson, peso Craig Adams, pepo Julie Lane, PCPO Doug Hill, PCPO Asst Chief Dave Karnits, WSP Lt. Larry Minturn, peso Act.Lt. Dana Hubbard, BLPD Capt. Tim Braniff, WSP
PROJECT MANAGER'S REPORT:
Rac Gordon informed the board that during the month of January there was a case wherein we buylbusted 5 defendants for distributing Meth. We seized 4 cars, 2 guns and arrested 5 They were stashing their dope in the rear speakers of a vehicle.
The group also assisted WESTNET with the· search warrants on several medical marijuana operations. The net plant seizure was 1193 plants, arrest of 5 people who tended the grows two of who were~whogave good implicating statements. It is believed that the targets of the investigation 3 and are working with ~::::~~~~~~:=~::::==;
.......The Department of Defense is looking is the director of _ a facility who sells plants to patients so that they can have their own grow and supply. Federal Law does not recognize Medical Marijuana consequently if our office goes out and does a raid and finds marijuana there the plants will be seized even thought they maybe under the medical marijuana threshold. The office also has done several grows in the city of Tacoma. These seem to be run

[sandybarr]

Pay attention Gypski

We know from PRA requests that the DEA is in control of drug task forces,and we know from thier own words that they will conficate medical marijuana despite any thresholds.

Now what are you going to send the counties .....that will change the federally commandeered local law enforcements view of MMJ.??????????

Not a fucking thing.Are we learning anything yet Gyspki.

[gypski]

Pay attention Gypski

We know from PRA requests that the DEA is in control of drug task forces,and we know from thier own words that they will conficate medical marijuana despite any thresholds.

Now what are you going to send the counties .....that will change the federally commandeered local law enforcements view of MMJ.??????????

Not a fucking thing.Are we learning anything yet Gyspki.

Certainly not from you, and any federal money used to enforce medical marijuana in states that have mmj laws would and should now be considered a misappropriation of funds and should be returned to the federal government since they no longer support medical marijuana drug policy enforcement in those states. :thumbsup:

And I see you are continuing your domestic terrorism policy against legal Washington State Medical Patients. Don't threaten me in an overt way, I can't or couldn't have been more transparent, and if the knock should come, the door is open. I'm within compliance of any medical law, and I have nothing whatsoever to hide. :smokin:

Now, I hope you continue to single me out and I will eventually get you to say the wrong thing and I will bust your ass!!!! :thumbsup:

[sandybarr]

You will bust my ass? For what having knowledge.What could a task force say to me..plead guilty or we will turn you over to the feds. You are nothing more than a co op delivery boy...or so you say..You are out of your league with me.You have no idea what work I have put in the last three years.Why do you think they really came after me..it wasn't for 6 plants it was because I was a genuine mmj activist hot on their trial..not a fucking website advertising delivery specialist for a real nice lady.lolololololololololol

[gypski]

You will bust my ass? For what having knowledge.What could a task force say to me..plead guilty or we will turn you over to the feds. You are nothing more than a co op delivery boy...or so you say..You are out of your league with me.You have no idea what work I have put in the last three years.Why do you think they really came after me..it wasn't for 6 plants it was because I was a genuine mmj activist hot on their trial..not a fucking website advertising delivery specialist for a real nice lady.lolololololololololol

Give us your name and address so we can exercise our First Amendment Rights, and organize medical patients to come ans show their support of your support of Washington State Medical Marijuana Laws. Since you are giving such excellent advice in your words, why hide behind some screen name. Come on, how about it???? You outted just about everybody who you know or have an idea about. Now out yourself for us. Why hide??? Chicken shit????

You are attempt to perpetrate personal attacks on people you know nothing about, and its time some of these moderators put a stop you and your bullshit. :wtf:

[sandybarr]

Are you for real.Your name is Gypski what makes you so damn special the fact that you work for a nice lady delivering mmj.lolololololol

You berate me for hiding behind a screen name when you hide behind a screen name.lolololololol

You are a fool r'ent you rrrrrrrrr.
lolololololol

Mods help mods help I jumped this guy on a thread and he fought back help mods help. I am just a poor little delivery boy for a nice lady oh real nice lady help mods help.
Help you what ,advertise your delivery service for safe streets they already did that
lololol

[sandybarr]

Give you my name so you and your co op buddies can come try and intimidate me.If the drug task forces,Department of defense,National guard , DEA AND WSP could not shut me up what makes you think a bunch of co op supporters will.
lolololololol

[gypski]

My last reply to your nonsense. I do not and never have delivered anything for the Wormhole. Your insinuation of that fact proves that you don't know shit. People like you are dangerous to those you know in the medical marijuana community. You are a person with a vendetta against who ever says something other then what you espouse or belive in your deranged mind. :( :wtf:

As for bringing or trying to bring this to the attention of a moderator, its just an extention of dreadscale's protestations of my mentioning our web site on this forum. Now you raise it to another level and they (dreadscale) keep their trap shut. You aren't a troll of them are you??? ;) Some people have too many personalities and should leave cannabis alone since it only makes their mental condition worse. You should take that under serious advisement Sandy. :jointsmile:

You're right, I have a screen name to protect myself from deranged humans like you. :D

[sandybarr]

Make up your mind I cant handle cannabis I should stop cannabis.You are a stain in the mmj community,and a stain on this website..

(Yawn)

I have court cases and bigger fish to fry.I don't have any more time for a co op delivery boy.
lolololol

[OldFart]

The cops I meet tend to be the same as the public to a certain extent. A wide range of viewpoints on MMJ. The problem of course is police are in a position to persecute anyone they think is a crook.
I think you should get the fax numbers of every copier you work on and we''ll all start faxing correct info to them so they can make an educated decision.lol

Thank you Killer for your relevant input. You are spot on that LE is in a position to persecute anyone that they think is a crook. My impression is that many LE officers do not see MMJ users as legitimate medical patients but instead as people who have found a loophole to be stoners. My hope is that we can establish an understanding with them that we are responsible citizens who are obeying the law.

As this thread has been overrun with posts that do not relate to my original comments I am going to move this to a new thread. Hopefully we can stay on subject in the new thread.

Be well.

OF

[killerweed420]

Thank you Killer for your relevant input. You are spot on that LE is in a position to persecute anyone that they think is a crook. My impression is that many LE officers do not see MMJ users as legitimate medical patients but instead as people who have found a loophole to be stoners. My hope is that we can establish an understanding with them that we are responsible citizens who are obeying the law.

As this thread has been overrun with posts that do not relate to my original comments I am going to move this to a new thread. Hopefully we can stay on subject in the new thread.

Be well.

OF
My hope is that eventually all these federal programs, including the DEA will be taken to the US Supreme Court and found to be what they are. Unconstitutional. There is nothing in the constitution that allows any of these federal programs. According to the 10th Amendement its up to the states to decide if they want any of these programs.
Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution)

I know liberals don't like this concept but its clear to see what the 10th Amendment was for.

[gypski]

Thank you Killer for your relevant input. You are spot on that LE is in a position to persecute anyone that they think is a crook. My impression is that many LE officers do not see MMJ users as legitimate medical patients but instead as people who have found a loophole to be stoners. My hope is that we can establish an understanding with them that we are responsible citizens who are obeying the law.

As this thread has been overrun with posts that do not relate to my original comments I am going to move this to a new thread. Hopefully we can stay on subject in the new thread.

Be well.

OF

For the record, I thought your idea was fantastic, :thumbsup: but I knew it would be hijacked by you know who.

[sandybarr]

Tenth amendment arguments are being made in California,but they do not have the documents to prove state and local officials have been Commandeered. They dont have Conant v Walters or Conant v McCaffrey,and all the interlocal agreements and such.I think they will lose without them. I have obtained the complete public disclosure trail showing our state being bribed with federal grants in exchange for being commandeered. Fat chance getting any non profit group to file anything in this state. They like the work the MMJ initiative brings in and they happen to represent entities that like the amount of money they are able to charge for MMJ.

Stautory arguments come first before constitutional arguments.That is why the current schedule for marijuana needs to be challenged on a state level.The state schedule I test is not being followed Marijuana no longer meets the criteria to be included in schedlue I.

Again no white night non profit group is going to force that battle anytime soon. I will have to do it when I can afford to.

[Dreadscale]

Hi OldFart !!! :thumbsup:

Or We Could Post the Same thing twice!!
http://boards.cannabis.com/washington-wa/168814-concerned-about-how-we-perceive-local-county-law-enforcement.html

Either way my opinion is not swayed.

Privacy Is Best !

[killerweed420]

I know one of the big debates in the law enforcement community is the "high" that is connected with the use of MMJ. If its fun, knock it off.lol We need to as a society to get over this concept that if it feels good it must be evil. The high is one of the most medically beneficial parts of the plant. Whats wrong with taking a medication that is benefiting you physically and also makes you feel good emotionally. Like Ron Paul says, We just need to get the federal thugs out of the business of morality.

[OldFart]

Hi OldFart !!! :thumbsup:

Or We Could Post the Same thing twice!!
http://boards.cannabis.com/washington-wa/168814-concerned-about-how-we-perceive-local-county-law-enforcement.html

Either way my opinion is not swayed.

Privacy Is Best !

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