First Crack at cabinet grow..

[frostedwonder]

Okay, so I went and bought a few hundred dollars of stuff someone would only want if they really were best friends with Mary Jane. I purchased one 400w switchable ballast and lamp using sun system 2 hood and hortilux eye hps bulb for now.
Made a cabinet (i suck at using tools) that is about 4x30''dx4h. I was thinking after I built it to go higher which I could by unscrewing top and adding an extension, was thinking 1.5ft higher so I dont have to worry too much about stretch and not having any exp lst or other styles of small grow.

I am using a 4'' inline duct fan pushing fresh air thru the hood and out the box. I am also using 6'' inline duct fan pushing air out and trying for a passive system in the gen box area. Purchased some FFOS and some of their other nutes like tiger bloom and open sesame . I plan on using a cabinet that was premade for a small clone/veg area after this is online and up to speed as to try for perp grow. Here are the start pics kinda crappy but will do more when motivated, also I did over water the plants in this pic kinda droopy and only a week or so old.

I keep thinking of things to add like I am in a very cold climate its three wks till spring and by me using my basement for grow box spot its kinda hard to add heat when the light is off so I am using cfl one has an output of over 360watts and then one that is 200watts, just so I can run almost 18-20hrs without over heating. If I run my 400hps I figured I wouldn't have the best veg cycle,,bad idea or safe bet by adding cfls?

Everything I say one of my voices in my head madeup and I rarely listen to them you shouldn't either,,,all farce

[bigtopsfinn]

Is that a sealed hood? With that setup you should not have to worry too much about heat, even with the 400w hps. However, you say that you are pushing air through the light and pushing air out of the box. You should actually be pulling air out. I made the same mistake, trying to make the fan push air through a bend and through my cool tube. My temps dropped a couple degrees by putting the fan at the end of my ventilation setup, pulling air through my carbon filter first, then the cooltube, out of the closet, and finally through the fan. I added some ducting on the end to help with the noise.

I keep my hps on the whole time during veg (after about the first week or two from sprouted seed), but if the cfls have the same output in Lumens, not watts, then keep the cfls. hps puts out about 50,000 Lumens per square foot. You could probably use both if you rearrange your ventilation.

Thinking about that basement, the temps should not go below 21 C, otherwise growth will slow. Is there any way you vent warmer air into the box from another room? Maybe try raising the box higher off the floor?

Good luck:jointsmile:

[frostedwonder]

Hey thanks for the post and on the day I started the thread! First thing I heard about using duct fans was they will last longer by not having hot air get pulled past them...any thoughts?
Secondly I really need to learn not to water, way to anxious and bored, I love this hobby. If I run the hps with its timers and all the temps are fine in this sealed box. But if on the off cycle I keep the fresh air intake going for the box itself it pulls in the air from the basement which is at best mid 60's, its an unfinished basement in the midwest.

I put castors to make it off ground and mobile and with it being spring in three wks temps will change. I may put a small heater facing intake area of box that starts up when hps is off just trying to be safe and not burn down my place..

When people say how many watts they are using would my box then be around 900watts? one bulb is 85watt input feit cfl that should make 360watts I think and then there is one 200watt output daylight cfl and then the 400w hps. I have read your post on others threads and I am glad your the first to comment.

I have no problems with changing things or trying new stuff cause this is suppose to be fun for me and its in a safe enviroment. oh how far should my hps be from my new plants? I am going with about 25-30'' away and then keep the cfl close to them as well. I am starting out with 20 plants as to weed out the males and then start a mother or three... after i do some cutting to find out I will trim down the count.

If I lst will my height in the box be ok? its 4ft tall and about 3 something when taking the light and even less with the plants container. I am working on a extension cube to add to the top and reseal, wish i would have done it off the bat.. live and learn..

[frostedwonder]

Here are a few snap shots of basic grow box. also one of my soon to be veg box

[bigtopsfinn]

No prob:jointsmile: I'm no expert, so I hope some others will chime in.

I ran my setup like you for the same reason, hoping not to overheat the fan. Check the ratings on those fans... Whichever one has the better temp rating, then use that. Mine was rated for up to 75C I believe. If they are not high enough in your mind, then at least make it a straight shot, with the fan next to the light blowing through it and straight out the closet. Since I rearranged, it feels like there is double the airflow of hot air out of my box when the lights on.

There is a grow log here I just saw where a guy had similar night temps, and I believe it will slow down growth, but I dont think they will die with those temps,. Maybe a small heater that has a thermostat could go inside your box, that way its most efficient, and you won't have to turn it on and off (or get another 24 hour timer like the one for your lights). Plus you could then use this setup year-round. It's either that, or find another place in your house for this box. My night temps are about 22-23C, still within range, but I dont keep any inline or exhaust fans on. I only keep the small computer fan blowing on the tops.

And finally, a bigger box is easier to cool and fit more things into, like a carbon scrubber or the heater, ect.. Also, making it easy to water the plants and flush the plants if needed. Right now my soil buckets sit on top of a screen on top of other buckets, so excess water can drain.

Oh yeah, about the watering, they need to get pretty dry between watering. I water once every three days with some run-off within the first couple hours that the light turns on, but that's just me.

[frostedwonder]

I think I will build the height ext cube and redo the box while the plants are so young. I have a small working veg shelf cab combo that I have next to grow box to house them for the day and have the wood in garage so its just coming down to being lazy lol. I am really not good at tools or spelling so whoever said growing leads to carpentry was right. is it a bad idea to take off the inline duct to the hood so it extracts the heat from cab? i thought with moist air it would be bad and it didn't make sense.

The fans I am using have cfm ratings of 250cfm for box fresh air intake, and 80cfm for air cooled hood. I was trying for a neg air system not sure I have it down pat but I still have to add my little heavy duty oscillating fan to move the air in the box that should really help my temps when lights are on. Should I not even use intake fan when lights are off to conserve temp that would remain in box? I am going to probable run flex tubing to one of the heat ducts down to the boxes fresh air duct..

Also any thoughts on using fert/nutes within three wk stage of growth? The foxfarm ocean soil mentions not having to for 30days but I read people doing things different, is it not recommended or just listen to the plants?

[bigtopsfinn]

I have a carbon filter before my light and my fan, but I don't know if that makes a difference with the moist air. I have not yet heard of anyone having trouble with their fan because of humidity.

See if you can find the temperature rating for your fan. I can find info about mine on the company's website, and it says the max operating temperature.

Depending on whether your soil has nutes in it already will determine when to use nutes. (If you are using Miracle Grow or other pre-fert soils, just search MG for more info)I have the nutes I'm using in the grow log in my sig. Most say wait until 4 or 5 alternating nodes, and start with 1/4 strength. As for how much and how often, impossible to answer. Some strains require less nutrients and burn easily while others may eat up a lot.

[frostedwonder]

Hey i was referring to moist air being a prob for the bulb not the fan sorry....

[bigtopsfinn]

Never heard of that either, as long as you have good connections.

[frostedwonder]

Okay to try to clear up my question earlier. Is it okay to leave one tube off an air cooled hood and have a inline duct fan pull box air out of box thru that tube over the bulbe and out box?:jointsmile:

[frostedwonder]

Just transplanted last night and will weed out soon to get down the numbers. Had temp problems and may add an intake fan and keep the exhaust fan that would have been my neg air system, not sure it was enough before.

[bigtopsfinn]

Okay to try to clear up my question earlier. Is it okay to leave one tube off an air cooled hood and have a inline duct fan pull box air out of box thru that tube over the bulbe and out box?:jointsmile:

If I understood your question, YES.

Leave one end of the cooltube open (exhaust system's intake), and then the tubing goes out the other end, to a fan, out the closet (exhaust system's exhaust)

I think that makes sense...:stoned:

Still have heat problems??? That's strange, sounds to me like your fans aren't working efficiently. Can you re-configure your ventilation in a way that you minimize bends in ducting? How about the ballast for your hps, is it in the growroom? Can you mount it somewhere outside the grow area?

[frostedwonder]

okay now I am getting it I think. Basically I didn't think moist air coming from gen growing part of the box should go thru the hood and over the bulb. Does that affect it? Its an $70 bulb and I didn't think it should get moist air but I think that if I do what you said I should have no probs with heat the air ductfan for the tube is 80 cfm and if I use that for just gen intake exhaust I would have one 6'' duct fan pulling air out and I could use the other 4'' duct for just exhaust with the one tube off in cab that should work.. I just transplanted last night and they dropped for a bit and now look fine.:thumbsup:

[frostedwonder]

would put some pics on here but system isn't letting me for some reason, there not that big of pics either hmmm

[frostedwonder]

here is a pic update after transplant to bigger pot. Still trying to rework the air hood and over all exhaust of box.

[frostedwonder]

My ballast is outside my box the only thing heating it up is the four bulbs the main one is the 400w hps in its ac hood and then there is one 85watt feit cfl and one 200w cfl and one 100w cfl there is a mini fan inside that oscillates and there is three 2.5'' holes for the neg air and one 6'' duct fan pulling gen air out of box and then the 4'' duct in the ducting for the air cool hood. I always see the ac hood with both ends using ducting never really thought to leave one as a exhaust for gen growing area as well. Anyone have issues with moisture in the hood or over the bulb? Not saying I am imagining it to be that humid but any kinda makes me worried about the 70buck bulb and all the fixings.. any thoughts would be appreciated.:jointsmile:

[frostedwonder]

So, took some advice and removed one of the tubes on the air cooled hood and turned the 80cfm duct fan to pull air out of the box thru the hood first, which seems to really help. I was hovering about 82f sometimes and once ran up to 90's eeck! curled a few leaves which has me worried one of my fav plants looks like it has a tan, new leaves seem unharmed tho. This is my third week of growing and plants are showing three sets of leaves yeah! I bought a 400watt mh bulb and switched out the hps, glad I bought a switchable ballast. This prolly will not be something I keep in for long but until I have clones this is going to be use as a stand alone box then make use of a veg cab that I already have with t8 floros and some cfl lighting as well. Bought some root riot plugs and the dome setup and some clone gel. Rounded my single attempt to restart the economy by getting Grow big nutes and grabed some fox farm ocean soil and light warrior to have on hand. Will post pics tomorrow.:D

I make things up and this is just one of the many absurd babbles I have written to humor myself and others and should not be taken serious as with any of my posts.

[frostedwonder]

geez from others posts you would think new current grows would get more views but I will take any insight that I can get. I started using grow big foxfarm soil nutes for the recommended three wk dose amount and have some leave curling upwards and some color changes, not sure if it was over done or just gen shock, any thoughts? Oh plants are 18days from seed germ to now.:hippy:

[trinitybound]

Your cabinet looks great. Your plants are over nuted though.
Pure FFOF has plenty of nutes almost too much for small plants. I would flush them out and just water for awhile. I like to mix the FFOF with sunshine mix #4 50/50 it's a great balance and still leaves room for extreme nutes. The Fox Farm schedule is powerful start out at half stength or less and get a feel for it.
I did a side by side comparison with four plants from seed using FFOF and Sunshine mix #4 (which is a soilless medium that has no fertilizer) in the Sunshine mix I used the Fox Farm grow big soil and big bloom. The FFOF plants had too much nitrogen but stayed really stocky, the sunshine plants were a little more stretched, not much at all, but the stem was wider and the roots ran deeper.
This is what brought me to the 50/50 mix. Check out my log in my sig.

[bigtopsfinn]

Nice to see things are coming together for you. Yes, they look a little overfertilized to me also. Also, careful with that MH, as it will burn your babies easier than an hps.

[frostedwonder]

Okay so over nutes eeeeck! I will just flush with reg water and see how it goes. The plants seemed like they were handling the nutes based on the 2 week feeding schedule but then wk 3 ouch! as for the light it is basically 25'' from the tops is that too close for a 400watter?:jointsmile:

[frostedwonder]

I actually measured the light and it is about a foot over the tops of the plants, is that ok or should I move it up a bit. I like how bushy the plants are gettting and lots of branches growing, one more? how old usually should a plant be to take a clone it to sex? I am guessing when a cutting can be had that is about three inches off third node or so is that correct?

[frostedwonder]

so the hopeful girls are about 3-4wks and from my view looking good. I hope to take first cuttings soon and then sex some of them. I will try to mother some of them maybe four of them and then flower the rest.

[bigtopsfinn]

Looking good Frosty!

Sorry I can't be much help with the cloning, except to say that you should maybe wait a week or two. I think it usually takes like 4-6 weeks to sex them depending on the strain...

I'd say as long as the plants look like that, however, the mh is in a good place. I just put my hand underneath and if it gets uncomfortable, I raise the light.

[frostedwonder]

One thing that I was wondering about leaves. is it just based on strain that a plant goes from a three blade leaf to a five or seven? Some of mine went from three blades to seven it seems and some 3 then 5 then 7 is that normal?:hippy:

[bigtopsfinn]

One thing that I was wondering about leaves. is it just based on strain that a plant goes from a three blade leaf to a five or seven? Some of mine went from three blades to seven it seems and some 3 then 5 then 7 is that normal?:hippy:

Yeah normal... sometimes I get leaves with 4 fingers, or 6 fingers. I saw 13 fingers on here once.

[frostedwonder]

I was kinda wondering what type of bud I am working with? I remember the kind of taste and overall buzz of what I am working with and the more fat rounded leaves on the plants make me want to say indica dom. Oh and why are we able to rate our own thread once when we make it? I should have rated it 5 off the jump now I care about my status of this thread lol, I am a loser. And no rep points hmmmm. I must change my avatar to breasts or something fancy I am guessing or have completed a grow or two.. great so one has to be good at something to count,,,,awesome count me out lol jk:smokin:

[casual]

Yes it is normal i assume because the same thing is happening to me. I am about a month and a week in and my leaves all look different. Also keep us posted on how many leaves your plant has. I just counted mine (off my one plant atm) and counted around 30. I have cut off 6 leaves in total, so i guess 36 have grown in. sounds like i have a runt, unless someone wants to say otherwise. Ill be back with pics later

[KillerBudG]

Looking good frosted i like that box set up."Like mine:jointsmile:"
I will be watching your grow so I am looking forward to updates. Also where did you get you cfls and the lamp they in."price of that lamp and ur cfl's"?
I know they not to much just doing some price compatibilities. Thanx i Will be watching for updates.

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[frostedwonder]

The big hid I bought from a local Hydro store for a few uncle bucks, and the cfl's are from either home depot or similar place. I have a few boxes of ones ready to use and play around with different setups to work the temp and such down to par. I have two bulbs that are cfl that use 85watts and they say output is 360watts and then I have a few 42w cfl and more. I will update more tomorrow. Plants today were a bit dry and some crispy leaves eeeck. I watered and trimmed and rotated them. They were just about to need water yesterday and then they freaked out. Prolly the fact that they havent had a need for anything other then scheduled and when they don't get one thing or the other look out.... I had one bend almost over and ten min after watering boom back up and pretty yeah!!!

[frostedwonder]

Okay so I did skip taking pics of under watered plants and before I gave them a trim but I couldn't bare to show the world my shame~! It is day 28 I do believe and here are some pics. Also no signs of pre-flower but I really am hoping cause the stalks look so darn thick and I have been reading and watching people sex plants on youtube that have stated thickness of stem and overall height and spacing of nodes can help determine sex. I want to just do some cuttings and then flower them to tell but my basement is too cold to have them there without adding an expensive heater. Still trying to come up with a spot to try flowering cuttings and then just kill off males to make room. By then things here should warm up a bit and I can attempt to stabilize temps in basement without braking the bank.:hippy:

[KillerBudG]

A little space heater could do the trick frosted around $15-40 at walmart. And it always will come in handy again.:jointsmile:

[frostedwonder]

Hey thanks KillerB for the input. I am thinking about taking some black plastic that I have and somewhat framing off my corner that I am using as my happy place and then just trying to balance that areas heat by directing the heat vent from an upstairs closet (my clothes can be cool) and then adding a space heater. Not trying to raise electric bill any more then I have to but what else can I do its march and in the midwest.... Oh and

Has anyone that looks at my thread ever had to just bloom their plants and take cuttings from the females once they have shown their sex? I am running out of room for my plants in bloom box. I am going to move some to my veg box but its to the point where they may be too big unless I modify it. This wont be a big deal after I have clones and know the sex and all but this first go round I didnt time things and space as well as I should. Using bag seed didn't help either not knowing the strain and specs of them.. live and learn :thumbsup:

[bigtopsfinn]

It's possible to take clones until 2 weeks of flowering, although they don't root as easily as clones taken earlier.

[frostedwonder]

when should I be able to see preflowers? I always thought after a month or so in veg but not sure, also am I just looking for two white hairs or what? All over the internet there are people posting on youtube about being able to see the sex prior to taking a cutting and cloning it and then sexing it. I am not wanting to wait that long with room restrictions but will if I have to. also anyone that has used Root riot that has a special regimen they use I would love to hear it.

I have the whole root riot dome and all but just waiting on the number of branches and nodes to be where I am safely take cuttings and sex these bitches... I never was one to have patience figured out.. I am trying and really looking at therapy lol.

[frostedwonder]

So went to a pretty big good ol boy farmer's auction and wouldn't you know it they had two self contained (ballast and hood combo) 250w mh lights that were to be sold as a pair. Not being sure if they both worked but figured none of the other hicks would have wanted to fight me for them I bid on them,,, and got both thats right both for a meer $5.50. Got home plugged one in and it works just fine and the other seems to need a switch and they both could use new bulbs but other then that seems like a steal to me. I may just redo my veg box ideas or bloom box at some point. My air cooled sun system and mogul setup was around 400 bucks so this is too cool not to mention...

[KillerBudG]

Sounds like you came across a steal frosted. Hope it all works out for ya, As i am interested in your grow will stay tuned in to your grow.:jointsmile:

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[frostedwonder]

here is my first attempt to lst my friends,,,, I can watch a hundred times online but when its your own plant it gets a bit stressful to me and the plants. I am also looking at what I believe is my signs of pre-flower on some of them and will take pics when I can get a better look... also my clone attempt seems to be going well. Started some cuttings three days ago and they haven't wilted or anything that to me that would indicate harm.:)

[frostedwonder]

duh here are the photos..

[bigtopsfinn]

Everything looks great :thumbsup:

How well does that homemade filter work?

[KillerBudG]

Looking good frosted, I am also wondering like bigtops said hows that filter working out for ya.:jointsmile:

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[frostedwonder]

Well I used the diy that Bodom posted .. http://boards.cannabis.com/growroom-setup/90173-how-carbon-filter.html#post1075003

I have to make one more then I will have completely figured out the exhaust smell issues with my grow cab. I have one already on the main cab exhaust and since I have taken one tube off my light hood to help with temps in box I have to add a filter to that as well otherwise I would say that its works pretty good. If I was going to make another one of this size I would make it longer to spread the air flow over a larger space and to not create as much back pressure of my inline duct fan. It was rated at 250cfm which is fine for this size. I will soon invest in a eco plus brand or something similar in quality, as well as a pro made carbon scrubber.

The money I have spent would be better suited if I went first class all the way instead of half ass so gradually I will upgrade everything once things are dialed in, like grow three or so. The largest cost was the light/hood/ballast which ran about 360-$420 and then the box creation. Its funny how little things add up I would have to say I have spent almost 1k or so to date. Its worth it though and wouldn't have it any other way..

Also I really wish my digi had a macro function so I could zoom in and share what I think is my preflower that I so desperately wish to see. They are not definitive just yet but should be in a few days..

[frostedwonder]

oh i forgot to mention if you look at my filter you can see i used that hexagon shaped poultry cable, instead of the square grid kind that Bodom used and I wish I would have looked closer for that stuff cause it will be easier to work with then what I used. I went back for some other items at the store to find that kind after I already made mine lol...

[Farmer Rich]

Nice box!

I did my first couple of grows exactly the same way.. See my links below. One item I'd point out is watch your plant height, you'll run out of overhead room much faster than you think. Once you flip your lights to 12/12, expect some stretch. As far as preflowers.. if your plants are 6-8 weeks from seed, just flip them, you'll find the males quick enough. If you want to wait to take clones, there's plenty of pics out there that will show you what specifically to look for.

In regard to your filter... ask for "hardware cloth" when you're picking up your filter parts. I did a similar one inside of a rubber made container I use for drying, though I draw through it instead of pushing the air out. In regard to your humidity comment earlier, you'll find if the relative humidity gets above 60% your filter will be less effective. Happens on Can filters too..

Peace, Farmer Rich

[frostedwonder]

It is funny to me when someone says anything nice about my homemade box, because I was lucky enough not to lose a hand or eye. Usually thats what would happen to me. Weird thing as well was that I used a level and checked my work and damn thing is level.. Not sure when i commented on humidity but right not humidity isn't a big thing for me. Also I had left more leaf on my clones when I cut them then most leave on, will that slow or stop root development?

I will try to upload a pic of my clones in the Root riot setup. They were taken 5 days ago and they seem really healthy but that could just be from folar feeding I suppose. I figured they would take longer to root with more leaf but then I would make that up when they have a root system in place they will take off and make up the time spent. I was hoping for them to be used as my sexing option but looks like preflowers will be what I use. I don't want to flip the lights just yet without being able to take a few more clones before budding them. I can't wait to kill off the males the rest of these bitches need the room...

[frostedwonder]

Looked like I needed to transplant once more before flower and from the looks of it before sexing these babies. I was hoping not to have to waste, soil, nutes, and space on males but not seeing what I want yet. The clones haven't had enough time to work it from that angle. here are some more pics from today.. the last pic if your able to see a big enough shot is the only preflower looking things I have on most of my plants, mostly they are pitcher shaped growth and then some I am thinking are claw shaped growth and from what I read that indicates potential male and the pitcher shaped tend to be female..

[frostedwonder]

Came home from work to find one female showing her stuff in my cab. I have looked them all over and seperated the ones I believe will be male and the ones I think will be female. Pretty good ratio potentially which is to be expected since I sprouted 20... More pics later today.:)

[bigtopsfinn]

Looks beautiful... everything's going right for you so far. Keep up the good work and don't be shy to share your success! :jointsmile:

[frostedwonder]

Wow, still only one showed her skirt.. I slightly enclosed part of my basement with 3mil black plastic to section off my grow box. I am switching to 12/12 tonight and needed to find a solution to my temp issues when the lights are on the off cycle. i moved the hood up as far as I can go and reworked my exhaust and intake to support the hood move. Not fun but I knew I would have to play with it this go round till I get things dialed in. I will put pics up later today..

[frostedwonder]

I was really hoping for a good update where I could proudly exclaim my 100% clone success rate but alas I lost about four so far. Two days ago I was looking at them to check for good roots and there were many, all plants looked great. Then about two hours went by and I look at them they had wilted and basically stabbed me in my heart... Time my heal all wounds but I don't think they will heal some of the clones. I need to get females figured out in the bloom box quickly for they have run out of space to basically flower I can still scrog them a bit but its going to take some trimming. I think this round will get me the info I need for round 2. I will clone like mad this time once sex is fully figured out and then look out world self medication time. I will update bloom box update later tonight when I am able to open box. oh clones are less then two wks from cut

[KillerBudG]

Clones lookin real healthy cept well you know which ones.:jointsmile: Hope you get your bloom box situated soon.



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[frostedwonder]

Thanks killa, its weird maybe its life's way of letting me know I don't know crap and not to try to imitate nature. although on the other hand, even the clones that look like death are actually snapping back, not sure if I will bother with them even if they are from a female but not ruling them out just yet. On my other box the damn plants have still only shown one female and very similar look alikes. I am going on four days of flowering so far... I have no patience.:)

[KillerBudG]

Well it will still be good if it snaps back you never know what it might hold. Patience will not be regreted in he long run man. Your patience will be paid for in due time. Also I say another 2-8 days and you will have a harder time with patience as you will find out my about your plants."Give me ladies":jointsmile:


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[frostedwonder]

This time around I will mostly learn about patience and timing. I was hoping to grow a few plants to about 15'' then turn them to flower and also know what sex they are before hand, all from seed,,, hmm sounds ridiculous huh. So now that reality sets in and I have taken clones and grown a few plants I pretty much have run out of room in the bloom box.

I can harvest still once the sexes are fully shown, and then try to scrog them,I might have to stress the plants to get them to fit I am afraid. On the flip side I am going to take some cuttings when possible from all my females or the best ones, and work round two a bit better then this go round.

Working with clones is going to be way easier and fit in my setup perfectly, its sad that even knowing most of this day one it still sux months later watching it happen. All is not lost but I was shooting for a perfect flawless first round,, and yeah I am aware of that being stupid but if you don't set the bar high you will never come close..lol

[KillerBudG]

Also don't set your bar to dam high where you cant grasp it or close to graspin it. And there is always going to be problems to arise sooner or later belive me no matter how dam good you are frosted. The best still have issues they have to fix and sometimes need advise so don't feel bad man its called being human.:jointsmile:
1 more thang do you have some seeds stashed away..?, You never know what life will throw at ya keep that in mind man good luck.:jointsmile::rasta:


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[frostedwonder]

Hey thanks Killa, and yeah I have asked many close friends to save only their best seeds for me and I still have some I have collected for about 4 years. Today I killed off male looking plants and brought my number of females to about 6 and then tried to force them into a scrog formation. Trimming and bending and a few broken branches I did what I could. This would have been soo much easier if I was working with clones.

On that note I have about 12 female clones with roots working like no bodies biz and will feed them into my canopy when the time is right. Also training these chicks right from the getgo. I would post pics of what my scrog attempt looks like, but at the moment I would be embarrassed they look like death.. might post them tomorrow.:)

[KillerBudG]

Guess you trying to wait til your plants bounce back alittle bit huh frosted.? Well will be looking forward and waiting for some updates.:cool:



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[frostedwonder]

:stoned:

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks for stoppin by my log :)

I wouldn't mind having your setup next door either :jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:
Very nice Frosty... :greenthumb:

[KillerBudG]

Looking good frosted, Them ladies getting nice and bushy looks like everything under control.:thumbsup:



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[KillerBudG]

Hey frosted what are the measurements of your Ac hood....? And you have the glass in it.?,Is that really helping on the heat.?

[frostedwonder]

Hey killa the hood is sun system 6'' ac hood with the glass and without it my 4'ft high box would not work. I am going to add an extension to the box to make it another 1.5ft high so I dont lose so much grow space with the light. that and it will help heat issues that do exist.

[frostedwonder]

Here are some updates of my blooming box of fun. About three wks into bloom cycle.

[perpetr8r]

They look fantastic!! :thumbsup:
can i borrow your green thumb?? :rastasmoke:

[frostedwonder]

Okay so from seed to scrog in my small box really is hard for me to get right the first time. I think I will do way better on the next round and I have been training the clones earlier and more suited to the small bloom box I have. having only a 4' and taking in the pots and the light hood I lose a lot of space. But here is the results this go round.. And it is just bag seed.

[frostedwonder]

more random shots.

[KillerBudG]

Looking good frosted:thumbsup: What do you hope to yield off your space.? And have you raised or lowered your hood during growing, or have you just left it at the same height.? If so did you find it difficult to raise and lower it because of the size.?

[Italiano715]

Wow, those are starting to look really yummy!

[frostedwonder]

Okay so now I have to tell myself and the world about the affects of a hermie. As a girl she showed such promise and I held some much hope for our future together. When she showed me her balls I nearly lost my lunch. I am down to 5 females from first round and about 20 female clones. I am going to dry out the bud that I picked off hermie plant and see what it taste like. I am not expecting much but I haven't smoked since last Oct. I take time off from smoking and this grow was going to be my present to myself for the summer.

Hey killa thanks for checking back again. As for the hood from sun system2 I like it but for this box I would rethink going with it. I like that it is air cooled but the light range doesn't spread like I would like. I have the place where I could use a batwing setup and then pick a better exhaust for the box so I may retool some things. Right now on each side of light hood I have a cfl producing 200 watts each. I did move the light up and down because this go round I was going at it from seed. I wont move it or much this next round because I am going to scrog from clone.

I have about three to four wks left of bloom on this one. I was hoping for smoke before Memorial day.. Gotta love the weather and bbq and some good smoke.

[frostedwonder]

here are some new bud shots of my bloom box. I added an 85watt cfl to the box and have to leave the box a bit open to help with heat. this pushes lumens to somewhere around 60k give or take a few. I think without even trying to look it up , that I am nearing the three wk bloom maybe four and getting very impatient. I hate waiting and spelling but the waiting is going to kill me. My girls smell like really fruity buds and kinda want to crawl in that damn bloom box and not come out until all i can say is Purple,,,hmmmm or some other retarded saying but it would be fun to just sit in and hangout with them for a bit.:hippy:

[fluid69]

dude, I love your setup, and it's obvious your plants do to. for your first cabinet grow you have done an amazing job!

[frostedwonder]

Hey Fluid69 thanks for the comment. I really was getting sick of the prices and product that was available to me and my friends. We have really good herb at a price here and that lead me to drop about 1200 bucks on the odds and ends that happen when you are trying to make a setup. Money is great but I have no plans on setting a limit on what this hobby will cost me monetarily. It is fun and rewarding beyond the smoke. Even using bag seed, which sucked has so far turned out nice. I did choose good seed from nice bud. There are no good clones available from my collection of people and its a bitch to even get ave seeds, most weed here doesn't even have seeds in it anymore. I am just hoping for enough to smoke till round two is done and then the outdoor stuff should kick in around the fall so I will be happy with my on hand medicine.

[frostedwonder]

Also I am really getting good things at flea markets and garage sales/auctions. The other day I found an intel play 200x q3 usb digital microscope for two bucks... I will be posting trichome pics when its gets a bit closer to finishing.:)

[fluid69]

your doing great! you did some reading before you started didn't ya?

[frostedwonder]

I have grown mj outdoors but that basically was guerrilla style and was based off of volume vs planned events. I was young then and now older I took what I heard/saw/read/did/imagined and :stoned:coming on these forums sites got me thinking and wishing and the rest is the future. I plan on doing three rounds a year and maybe even go ever other year. I don't smoke much and the only time I really want some is when I don't have any.. love that. Also going from seed sucks.. I am way to adhd to handle that over and over again. I will prollyy seed something in the next round or two just to provide a good source of seeds for future but I don't recommend doing that with bag seed, but that's all I have ATM.

[fluid69]

ahh...bagseed, good for practice, good for smoke.

get you a good mother and start cloning. that takes atleast 1 or 2 weeks off your grow. plus you'll know it's female.

[frostedwonder]

Currently have about 20 clones from first round. I will update their photos tomorrow...

[KillerBudG]

Hey frosted your plants looking good man keep up tha good work.:thumbsup:
I am a lil curious as to what the temps are inside your box on average, And what your room temp averages out to be consistently what would you say.:rasta:


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[Divestoned]

Look's like your having alot of fun..I smiled out loud several time's while reading thru your log. Nice work

Dive:stoned:

[frostedwonder]

So far my overall ave temp was around 72-75 once I reworked my inline duct fans and hood like a certain fin told me to. Using Foxfarm soil and grow big and tiger bloom plus molasses can probable take most of the credit to my current condition of the girls. I have read so many other people's logs/threads and thought why they hell can't I have something slick and easy. After this grow I will make the box height total either 5.5ft or 6' and then get some different bells and whistles like mylar and side lighting. I have read that during the bloom cycle there are about one to two growth spurts of actual bud growth not just stretch and I am looking forward to that. Not sure how much time I will let this one flower I am guessing till end of or middle of May. This digital microscope I picked up makes me laugh. It is a kids toy for sure but I bet I can take damn good trichome pics with it. I have also been picking up mason jars that seal and look different then reg jars.:jointsmile:

[frostedwonder]

Got bored and took some shots today...

[KillerBudG]

:thumbsup:




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[frostedwonder]

Just was thinking that I may try to flush a bit of anything that may be locking up the roots. Not really sure if I have that problem but some leaves are turning yellow, which can't be from lack of nutes as I feed every other with a bit of grow big and tiger bloom. I am expecting to see a growth spurt at the very least.:)

[frostedwonder]

just more impatient shots. Also I had a plant start to show balls after 4-5wks of flower. I cut the top of that plant not sure if it was just shocked or what, I will most likely kill that plant but just waiting to see on the other branches of that plant before chopping it. the pic of the one lonely bud is from the hermie suspect.

[VanGogh001]

Hey frost,

just stopped by your log today wanted to say good going, keep the green growing. The bag seed is treating you nicely. Be sure to keep those clippings and make some hash out of it please.

Wasn't sure what pic was the hermie suspect but i couldn't see any balls just bud. Closer pic?

Take care, and i'll be back.

[frostedwonder]

Hey, yeah the one lonely bud pic was found to show a ball or two so I removed them early in hopes that the plant was just stressed and not hermie. There is a lot of bud on that plant and I am so far into flower that to me seemed odd that it would do that but it can and did. I left the other cola's on that plant and will monitor them a bit more before fully chopping it. I am hoping the other girls will be done soon, I always add up the flower wk wrong just to keep telling myself there almost done. I think I am 6wk in and counting so Hopefully I have 9wk plants or less.:jointsmile: oh also when i click on my bud pics another tab opens for me and then i can click the pic again and basically zoom down to the trichomes just about.. I love seeing green that close up.

[frostedwonder]

Yellowing fan leaves after a flush has me concerned. I hate being this close and then messing something up. It is normally from what I have read but I did a round of molasses and some light nutes as well to help recover. Hoping the buds get some girth this next week.

[frostedwonder]

bump,,,

[frostedwonder]

Some updated pics. Lil yellowing after a flush and a slight ph issue. little else has changed other then some girth in the cola's and patience wears thin.. I am just using my macro lens and in doing so took a few shots that I think look 50/50 amber/milky trichs. I will upload another set after this one and if anyone thinks that its chop time let me know. I am color blind and not having a loop sux. I have a digi microscope but it makes my computer unstable so would love another set of eyes or a hundred let me know. The plants are nearing 8wks just about.

[frostedwonder]

close ups.:thumbsup: from these would anyone say 50/50 color of trichs?

[fluid69]

looking @ that last pic(#5), almost all trichs look cloudy, but less than 5% look amber. in pics 3 & 4 the trichs still look pretty clear, maybe 10% cloudy. that's just my opinion. but man, those buds look beautiful! I'd be itching to chop too. good job!

[frostedwonder]

Hey thanks,,, this site is really helpful and with the hps it messes with my vision to see things like amber. its either milky or clear in my head lol. I am ok with waiting about two more wks but thats it. I will slowly chop them as I go if they havent really ripened enough. This has been a long slow ride without paying for greens. I am not really trying to more then I can smoke so shouldn't be hard to do it looks like a few ounces to me from my view well see after chop and cure.:rastasmoke:

[fluid69]

out of the next five

#1 looks cloudy with about 10-15% amber maybe
#2 looks like it's pretty close 50/50 to me
#3&4 are hard to tell for me

hope that helps a little, I can't wait to see what some others say.

[fluid69]

Hey thanks,,, this site is really helpful and with the hps it messes with my vision to see things like amber. its either milky or clear in my head lol. I am ok with waiting about two more wks but thats it. I will slowly chop them as I go if they havent really ripened enough. This has been a long slow ride without paying for greens. I am not really trying to more then I can smoke so shouldn't be hard to do it looks like a few ounces to me from my view well see after chop and cure.:rastasmoke:
have you thought about a 2 part harvest?

[frostedwonder]

Fluid, yeah i mentioned that I may clip and wait for the rest just want to be done with this round cause the clones be restless lol. Memorial day was going to be a nice relaxing day with some smoke. I have no patience i am a loser. :jointsmile:

[KillerBudG]

well don't forget to keep track of your weight as I am curious frosted.:thumbsup:

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[bigtopsfinn]

Hey Frosty! Plants are looking beautiful! I wouldn't worry about the yellowing, normal in late flowering :greenthumb:

Have you been taking testers? How's the smoke?

[perpetr8r]

Wow they look good. Awesome job! Look so good I almost licked the screen!! :D

[frostedwonder]

Captain's log;

Yellowing is now certain, I continue to have no patience and will probably cull one or two that seem ready. One had showed me its sex way faster then the others so I am guessing with the trichs and the need/want to chop something that will be the first.

I will do a dry weight for an ave for next round bench mark. The one showing major Indica dom is really impressive to see in person but not on a pic. It is just about to be done and it has one main cola that is about a foot long and dense.:)

[frostedwonder]

just some more macro lens digi shots.:jointsmile:

[frostedwonder]

I really need to learn patience.. oh and saving bud so I don't have moral dilemma's about chopping something early..

[filo6942]

Chop the top early, its probably ripe enough:stoned:

[frostedwonder]

I think I may just do that....

[Joel]

The yellowing that you're concerned of is normal as others have said, the plants simply draining all of its nutrients into the bud to get it to grow as big and good as it can, Good grow by the way.

[frostedwonder]

Hey Joel thanks! It's been interesting for me to say the least. Having grown mostly outdoors I have basically just started indoors and then moved them outside when ready. The yellowing I knew was coming but from my time table they should be nearing the 8wk flower around first wk of june. I figured they would run long being that it was bagseed mostly sativa. Some look so cheesy that I can see them being done by now.. I will upload some pics later this morning..:jointsmile:

[frostedwonder]

Here are some mo shots.

[Joel]

hey frosted, Im still seeing alot of white triches so I dont know if chopping early would be the best idea yet. How long is your flowering time for this strain? 10-12weeks and you're at 8? I'd wait atleast 2 more weeks before I would even chop one, but they look fantastic man. Healthy and thrivin, hope you enjoy.:jointsmile:

[frostedwonder]

Joel, This is just a bagseed trial and error run. Figuring by their looks most are showing sat dom character traits, so I knew going in that 8wks would be low end of timeline. Not sure if the hps light messes with my inability to see the color amber or just plain ol being my color blind self. Either way I am just waiting and waiting until the end..:hippy:

[frostedwonder]

just some macro shots to check trichomes.

[frostedwonder]

anyone see a 50/50 trich macro shot? I cannot really see amber being different then a milky/clear trich being that I am color blind and retarded. any thoughts? they are in middle of 9-10wks and yeah there bagstock

[frostedwonder]

bump any thoughts on my gurls?

[frostedwonder]

Here are some shots from today. My indica plant is really packing on the weight, and the others are getting pretty close to being lunch. Took a few tops that have been smoking nice, and I can't wait to clean this box and prep round two.. :thumbsup:

[perpetr8r]

I can see the 50/50 trichs Frosted... they look real good. Wow is the word that comes to mind.. maybe inspirational is a good word too :thumbsup:

[frostedwonder]

thanks!!! I am going to chop a few of the gurls and then keep maybe two to finish, then rework this box and get some better air ducts and some extra tweeks.

[KillerBudG]

Have not been around lately but your plants lookin pretty dam good frosted.:thumbsup: The bud looks awesome also let us know what your weights are and how it smokes.


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[frostedwonder]

Just some more shots. My plants are looking ruff at the end of their cycle like no buddies biz..:)

[voodoojnky]

Nice job!

[frostedwonder]

Hey thanks, I really didn't know what to expect being that I was using seeds from some good bud that I smoked in the last five years. I believe I am going to ave about 1.5oz per plant if not more. all pics of buds that were trimmed are from one plant cut on the early side.:rastasmoke:

[bigtopsfinn]

You have done a good job so far :greenthumb:

Can't wait to see how it finishes :jointsmile:

[frostedwonder]

Hey thanks, it is weird I have had a hard time not killing samples and early birds this whole time but now that I am nearing the plants end I will miss them. Growing from seed is an experience, and granted the clones will be easy and fun to grow out but nothing can replace the attachment I have had to the seed grown plants in this log. I didn't think I would care about chopping them but I kinda like em.

[eyesableed]

hey looking for a draw in fx

[frostedwonder]

What is looking for a draw fx:)

[frostedwonder]

Here are some shots of the cola's that I harvested today. They has been flowered for about 10wks and they are very dense.

[Italiano715]

Looks pretty good! :thumbsup:

:D Send those buds my way and I will show you a trim job :D

Then when I'm done, you can just smoke me out! LoL

Happy smokin and great looking buds! :smokin:

[frostedwonder]

Weird thing about having me trim, is that I would normally smoke just about anything so I am trimming for those that I may smoke with. I basically trim away the most leaves I can to speed drying up a bit and to impress the ladies lol.

[mtrxdrgn]

very awesome job dude! the buds are lookin mighty sexy, :thumbsup: how do they smoke?:jointsmile:

[frostedwonder]

Well the earlier buds that I culled when dried smoked pretty good imo. Then someone gave me a small nug of something I would say looked hydro and it was way better. I am guessing the tops that really were yummy looking that I have left to try will be great but I will just try even harder next time to achieve the buds I am aiming for. Using just bagseed I wasn't expecting super duper weed but at least great smoke and I did that. when I dry out and cure the big cola's I will do a smoke report..

[mtrxdrgn]

yea hydro stuff is always very dank.:D just wondering, how did u smoke them? anytime im testing buds i've grown i clean out the bong and give her a couple hits, rather than rollin a joint and having the papers(even light ones) mess with the taste and high of the bud.:jointsmile:

[frostedwonder]

Smoke test have been mostly papers or chamber pipe, nothing special clean screen and a lighter that works and I am calm.. The nugs that I tried were really dense but lack the smell and taste mine has, and that came from the person that gave me the nug. Next round I am going for less stress on the gurls and better air flow and then possibly add blooming extras like cha ching or the like.

[frostedwonder]

Just some trim work and some chopping.:D

[frostedwonder]

more finished pics. Overall figuring about 6-7 oz or more since I have been drying in stages it's hard to tell but its up there. the big cola pic is from my only real indica dom plant. It has proven to be a hardy plant that can handle stress without hermie, and is a high yielding strain. I have cloned it a number of times.:hippy:

[mtrxdrgn]

Very nice!:thumbsup: Congrats dude, enjoy:jointsmile:!

[frostedwonder]

Hey thanks! It was really an experience growing from seed indoors. I usually do most of the season outdoors so this process I took a bit more serious then the usual process that I do for an outdoor season. I am doing both this year so I hope the fall is good to me..:thumbsup:

[MrBungleJr]

WELL DONE!

[frostedwonder]

Well I have finished off my first round grow, just going to fine tune it a bit before I put in some indica clones for the second round. I am adding some fresh air vents and reworking the lights and tubing one more time..:hippy:

[sheist]

some questions on your yield, probably dumb too lol.. was that with the clones as well? did that weight include the stems and leaves before the final trimming or after?

[frostedwonder]

Just a thought Sheist, did you just read the last post and none of the beginning? From seed, and yield actually surprised me it was all bud weight after trimming. Vegging like I did worked and with clones I probable won't veg as long and just add more plants to screen to fill it up.

[KillerBudG]

Well Frosted probs:thumbsup: looking good man thanx for letting me sit down on your exp. Can't wait to see when you get some more taking off. So looks like you got a decent amount of bud to tide you over. Goodluck with your next round I will try to stop in an pull up a chair if I can.




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[frostedwonder]

Hey Killa, thanks for stopping by. I didn't think I would have this good of a result when I started this adventure. Now I am sitting good on smoke and I am sure some of you are like me where once you have enough smoke you don't even smoke it as much, it's just nice to know have it. I would say that I currently have smoked my self retarded and now will most likely take another small break from it and use it more medicinally. It really helps me sleep on the nights that I can't and it relaxes me from anxiety.

I started over in my box with a second round using the clones I have from this grow log. Transplanted and flip a few days ago, with the remainder outside hoping that mother nature is even better to me out there. I may scrap the inside part of my hobby during the summer cause of the heat issues. I could talk myself into getting another zone for my ac just for the grow room but I also like to travel and camp/bike/fish etc. So it may be a fall and winter thing for me. I will see how it goes but with temps in the 80's (once in 90's)in the bloom box it's starting to worry me.

This place is soo helpful and there are many people that believe growing is nothing but putting a seed in and waiting... if only that was true. Not the hardest hobby but it can have it's twists..

I will be back with a grow log soon. Thanks for anyone and everyone stopping by..:jointsmile:

[greenatik]

good shit frosted! i was looking for your thread and finally found it! those nugs look ultra nice... :D can't wait to see what you're going to do next

[frostedwonder]

Hey, Greenatik thanks for checking out my thread. I think overall this round was good to learn from but I still think the potency is lacking compared to outdoor stuff I have grown in the past and just herb I have bought. I will try to get some real breeds in the future but really want to hone things in and try to increase potency, besides nutes and strain not sure how to amp things up. Mostly taste is really good, and it smokes nice but more of a up buzz then the couch lock i was looking for, live and learn tho...

[KillerBudG]

Let a couple of your clones go a week or two longer this time. Then you will be able to compare the difference in taste and high.




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[frostedwonder]

Hey killa, thanks for stopping by. I am going to try to leave the clones flower a bit longer this round. I used a macro lens and a digital microscope to check trichomes last time and I went to chopping at or about 50% amber/milky I did have some tops that did seed and the seeds were mature enough to plant if needed, that makes me want to believe that I grew them out long enough but it may not have been the case..

Oh and the outside projects that I have been working on went to shit on me. I placed six outside and I am already done to one. Damn wind whipped them to shit when they were too dry and basically killed them. I will have better luck indoors this fall and winter..:thumbsup:

[KillerBudG]

Hey frosted sorry to hear bout your outdoor man. I would say try again next summer just take proper precautions for that dam wind. I am just a lil curious now now many ladies did you end up keeping in there all the way threw flower.? An you said you was expecting 6-7 Os did you achieve that, Was that your final dry weight. Will be waiting for your next run.



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[frostedwonder]

Hey Killa, yeah final weight was at or about 6-7oz. that was trimmed and dried and canned. I just tried some stuff that looks really yummy and with about two to three tokes I can barely play video games unless I keep the games in the fridge. Makes me wish I was sitting on that stuff with enough to hold me over xmas. I have no doubt this current round will be grown out a bit longer just to be sure it is strain not grower. I could just make some hash but the smoke I have taste good and looks great just doesn't meet my needs as a medicine. Trying to figure out a source for good seed stock and as discrete as possible. I have a few ideas but here I am sitting waiting till I make up my own mind..

oh and I did flower 5-6 plants total until some showed me some nanners but I did have four that were unscathed. I am running 5 now and it seems to fill up my screen nicely.

[bigtopsfinn]

I just tried some stuff that looks really yummy and with about two to three tokes I can barely play video games unless I keep the games in the fridge.

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Nicely done! Rep for sure!

[bsddogg]

Hey frost,

I'm looking to grow for the first time. Could you give me some details about your whole setup? the size etc? cheers mate

[KillerBudG]

Hey frost,

I'm looking to grow for the first time. Could you give me some details about your whole setup? the size etc? cheers mate

Yo go back to page 1,2,3,4,5 read it all, Then click the link in Bigtops sig. and read those to. You should gather a pretty decent amount of knowledge an setup idea. Hey yo frosted I guess the video game be winning over their huh..? But you should look at seedbay/seed boutique, They are pretty discrete in my opinion. And you can always find good genetics for a decent price for the amount you wanna spend. Bigtops here, After seeing him go threw that trainwreck the second time has convinced me to get some of that when the time is right. I heard for few other people that soma- Lavender pretty decent, And HTC- Sunshine#2. But have not tried any them personally yet.. But just take a look at seedbay and the boutique you might find you a few diffrent things interesting...:thumbsup:


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[Sauce]

Nice harvest bro keep coming with pictures of the finished product!!!

[frostedwonder]

Hey frost,

I'm looking to grow for the first time. Could you give me some details about your whole setup? the size etc? cheers mate

This still makes me laugh...serious really really are you wow:wtf:

[KillerBudG]

Yo Frosted not sure if I missed it, Might just have to stop blazing before searching threads lol. Anyway Did you mentioned the height you started flowering at, An what was the final size of the pots you ended up flowering in...? If you did post this info. would appreciate what page you mention it in if you know off hand. Thanx again for ya time man.:jointsmile:


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[frostedwonder]

[quote=KillerBudG]Yo Frosted not sure if I missed it, Might just have to stop blazing before searching threads lol. Anyway Did you mentioned the height you started flowering at, An what was the final size of the pots you ended up flowering in...? If you did post this info. would appreciate what page you mention it in if you know off hand. Thanx again for ya time man.:jointsmile:

I basically used 1.5 gallon pots for last transplant, and I wish I would have went to 2-3 gallon and have less plants, oh and as far as the height not really sure but I would say about two ft before light flip. I did not veg the clones in my current round and the yield looks like crap. And I didn't use enough good soil as I did in the first round. The nutes in the soil were way gone by flower and I was slow to react to that and nute lock from ph issues. Yellow leaves by third week of flower not cool at all, it is starting to look like a leper colony in that box. Live and learn I did stuff that I would normally not do and I am getting the results of that,,,oh well this fall and winter and spring will make up for it. Still trying to find good seeds that can border hope safely...

[KillerBudG]

Yo Frosted, you said 2 of ur ladies turned on ya right.? Were they included in i final weight.? A nd do you think you would have double it if you had em in 3-4 gal.s.??

[frostedwonder]

Here is a snap or two of the second round. Did many things wrong like trying to reuse last cycles soil and just adding to it. I did let the ph get way out of control and had nute lock pretty bad and it looked like a leper colony with my girls losing most of their leaves. But on the positive side I let them grow about ten wks in flower and then chopped em. I am guessing yield is around the same as last time even with the issues i created for myself. The indica plants really got dense and yummy tho and it wasn't a complete waste but I am learning all the time...

[drudown11]

nice

[denver]

Okay, so I went and bought a few hundred dollars of stuff someone would only want if they really were best friends with Mary Jane. I purchased one 400w switchable ballast and lamp using sun system 2 hood and hortilux eye hps bulb for now.
Made a cabinet (i suck at using tools) that is about 4x30''dx4h. I was thinking after I built it to go higher which I could by unscrewing top and adding an extension, was thinking 1.5ft higher so I dont have to worry too much about stretch and not having any exp lst or other styles of small grow.

I am using a 4'' inline duct fan pushing fresh air thru the hood and out the box. I am also using 6'' inline duct fan pushing air out and trying for a passive system in the gen box area. Purchased some FFOS and some of their other nutes like tiger bloom and open sesame . I plan on using a cabinet that was premade for a small clone/veg area after this is online and up to speed as to try for perp grow. Here are the start pics kinda crappy but will do more when motivated, also I did over water the plants in this pic kinda droopy and only a week or so old.

I keep thinking of things to add like I am in a very cold climate its three wks till spring and by me using my basement for grow box spot its kinda hard to add heat when the light is off so I am using cfl one has an output of over 360watts and then one that is 200watts, just so I can run almost 18-20hrs without over heating. If I run my 400hps I figured I wouldn't have the best veg cycle,,bad idea or safe bet by adding cfls?

Everything I say one of my voices in my head madeup and I rarely listen to them you shouldn't either,,,all farce nice and clean set up:thumbsup:

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Thanks! That herb sucked compared to outdoors stuff I have had luck with. The box was nice but I did add the extra height and is the current box I have going.