Warning to washington medical marijuana patients

[san420]

Watch out for Steve Sarich and his phony clinic. Sarich isn't anything more than a dealer, who is feeding the feds to keep his own ass out of jail.


Stay a mile away from anything you see him doing, he's made it clear who he works for.

[Storm Crow]

If you would give some details. Your accusations are serious. But so far, all we have is you saying that Steve is no good. Some examples would help clarify things. Please phrase your argument in civil terms, if possible. ( i.e.- No cussing, please.)


Granny :hippy:

[killerweed420]

He's connected with cannacare. Has been in trouble a couple times.
Agents raid medical marijuana advocacy office (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/300191_potbust18.html)
Appearances are that he's just trying to get rich off the MMJ. But maybe not.

[san420]

If you would give some details. Your accusations are serious. But so far, all we have is you saying that Steve is no good. Some examples would help clarify things. Please phrase your argument in civil terms, if possible. ( i.e.- No cussing, please.)


Granny :hippy:

Steve was raided with over 1500 plants, the DEA found emails of him admitting he had a care giver who was growing all his meds for him. He wasn't charged, wonder why?

His former partner took the doc and split when he refused to stop dealing at the clinics she was holding. Steve continues to be nothing more than a 2 bit grifter, setting up shop, writing phony scripts and dealing.

Stay a mile away if you know what's good for ya.

[gypski]

Well, I know people who know Steve and I will have to check this out further. I know he's been raided before and not charged. That doesn't necessarily mean he's a snitch. You need to produce more to support that claim. Nothing worse then calling someone a snitch without concrete proof of it. Maybe now someone is trying to spread fear through the Washington Medical community. I don't know, but I'm not running scared. And I know one place he was growing for and he better not get them in the shit because they are good people. :wtf:

With this edit: I met Steve at the Hempfest and he had me try a few strains over the two days. Didn't seem like a bad guy, and the feds are just getting out their last gasps since the people are getting wise to their marijuana scam. Face it, too many corrupt FEDS are making money off the blackmarket too and don't you think other wise. :thumbsup:

[killerweed420]

Steve has done some good things for the movement and was heavily involved in trying to get Washington's MMJ rules straightened out. He's been busted a couple times for co-ops which are illegal in Washington. That doesn't mean he isn't trying to make things better here in Wash. I've seen no evdidence that he's cheated anyone or is a narc.

[VapedG13]

Just another good reason to self medicate....get a card and grow your own....noone needs to know you supply yourself:thumbsup:

I hope Washington changes state law and allows co-ops.....this is a good source for clone only strains...Now that Feds wont raid them anymore its up to the state

[WAACTIVIST]

Sarich is under investigation for organized crime activities that is a fact.I have the public disclosure documents to prove it.I have been trying to get all the public disclosure documents of his arrest and have been able to confirm that he is being investigated by the DEA.

My problem with Steve is he operated for years without a business license,and that is the subject of the investigation I am sure. Steve takes risks which end up with a predictable result..A bust.In fact that is why I quit Cannacorn.

In fact most pot clubs or organizations in Washington are risky in that they offer law enforcement a chance to indentify and round up patients.Fact Green cross growers get busted,Half a dozen in ten years.Joann McKee and Stitch were busted importing from switzerland years ago.I have the public disclosure to prove that too.Jeff Steinborn has been busted and indicted 3 times the last 9 years..each time never doing time.Doug Hiatt is part of that gang.In fact there are half a dozen or more lawyers that all used to work for the ACLU,that all stick together like glue.They will screw you for 10,000 with no problem at all..

They have been making bank for years on the mmj law,and know how to cause a wreck when they need some money.These guys are good,they don't bother chasing an ambulance they cause wrecks.Anything that I have posted about them is quickly erased or I am banned.

The ACLU is tied into a MMJ Senator Kohl Welles,whom is also tied to the hempfest crowd.They want to keep making tax free recvenue and have no problem feeding the cogs and wheels of law enforcement to stay in business.

My advice to all medical marijuana patients is the same nation wide.DO NOT MAIL YOUR MEDICAL MARIJUANA AUTHORIZATION TO ANYONE PERIOD.

As far as Sarich is concerned I find it irresponsible to operate a medical marijuana clinic while he is under investigation for organized crime.Sarich is a gambler,and that is ok when you risk yourself,but he risks people that do not know better.

Steve Sarich should retire from activism in Washington State.Enough damage has been done.

[killerweed420]

I agree with this part
"My advice to all medical marijuana patients is the same nation wide.DO NOT MAIL YOUR MEDICAL MARIJUANA AUTHORIZATION TO ANYONE PERIOD."
Thats why I don't like Cali's laws. Your name ends up on a list where its really not needed. A doctors authorization is all thats needed. The problem of course is that its very easy to forge a MMJ authorization. Its another good reason why MJ just needs to be legalized. Its a perfectly safe plant, harms no one and is of great benefit to a lot of people.

[WAACTIVIST]

Why have a registry,or ID cards if you have to go to court to prove you are a medical marijuana patient anyway..?????????????????????????

The affirmative defense part of all the state laws is a scam to create work for lawyers and Judges..The ID cards are a scam to round up patients.These dorks that promote them are looking to cash in on the premise it will prevent an arrest or eliminate the need for your affirmative defense in court..ID'S wont keep you out of court if Law Enforcement chooses to follow the law.


We cant make it legal to grow and distribute or we will put the criminal lawyers out of business.That is why it kills me to see the ambulance chasers trying to lead the movement IE Steinborn and Hiatt.

My advice stay away from those clowns.Want good legal advice look up Carl Olsen in Utah,and have him advise your public defender.Never give up your right to a jury trial,and unless you are in King,Pierce or Snohomish county,you can count on appealing your case to the court of appeals.

Carl Olsen has a great legal argument that centers on marijuana being improperly scheduled.The schedule 1 test in Washington State is not being followed so marijuana should be taken out of schedule 1.How harmful could it be if they allow people to grow it legally in Washington State.

Anyway now you can grow 15 plants and have 24 oz.Yet you still have to go to court to prove you are legal.Watch out these drug task forces have 1 to 2 million dollars in theior budget and they do spen lots of that money on buys.The use criminal informants galore and set up people to grow,and run organizations,as part of the organized crime unit of the WSP. I have an extensive public records trial to prove what I say,soon it will be posted on a web site for all to see.

[Dreadscale]

WAACTIVIST

this is W.A. no regristry, no cards

[WAACTIVIST]

I know that,there are people that sell the cards.Steve Sarich,Jeremy Miller, Martin martinez.

I am saying that there is absoluely no way that these ID cards will save you if law enforcement wants to challenge a patient in court.Funny how all of them advertise that they are approved by law enforcement blah blah blah

In Washington there is an affirmative defense,which means you get to bring proof that you are a legal patient to court.No ID in the state will stop that process from happening.

My advice is do not join clubs or get authorizations from people that hand out these ID cards. Get an authorization from the oldest clinic out there based in Oregon,doing business in several states.They don't have cards or have not had patient data turned over to law enforcement.Sarich,Miller and Martinez cant say that.

[Dreadscale]

WAACTIVIST
Please don't state things that have nothing to do with the state of Washington here!!!



THX

Dread

My next post will be in http://boards.cannabis.com/feedback-suggestions/

[gypski]

FYI, San420 is an attempt to conceal their true name and intent. I believe they are trying to say they are sans, French for without, 420. Translated, without420. Must be a Rushite. :jointsmile:

[gypski]

I know that,there are people that sell the cards.Steve Sarich,Jeremy Miller, Martin martinez.

I am saying that there is absoluely no way that these ID cards will save you if law enforcement wants to challenge a patient in court.Funny how all of them advertise that they are approved by law enforcement blah blah blah

In Washington there is an affirmative defense,which means you get to bring proof that you are a legal patient to court.No ID in the state will stop that process from happening.

My advice is do not join clubs or get authorizations from people that hand out these ID cards. Get an authorization from the oldest clinic out there based in Oregon,doing business in several states.They don't have cards or have not had patient data turned over to law enforcement.Sarich,Miller and Martinez cant say that.

My advice for you people is to STFU. If a licensed doctor signs, they are legal even if they are hauled into court, but if you bother to read the King County prosecutor's memorandum.....if a patient is legitimate, they won't even have to show in court. Quit the Fing scare tactics. :mad:

[CannaCare]

Watch out for Steve Sarich and his phony clinic. Sarich isn't anything more than a dealer, who is feeding the feds to keep his own ass out of jail.


Stay a mile away from anything you see him doing, he's made it clear who he works for.

Wow! Glad I found this place! Not just any old forum will allow any scumbag, hiding behind an anonymous identity, to post all the unsubstantiated lies they want and slander a community leader.

Let me clear up some of these lies and accusations...

I have NEVER been "busted" or "arrested". I was raided and robbed over two years ago. There is no prosecutor (either state or federal) assigned to the case. Neither my state or federal court attorney has ever been contacted by anyone from law enforcement or a prosecutorâ??s office. I'll be suing them over this illegal raid by the end of the year. Someone else has already sued them over this same raid and the case was settled out of court. These same cops are trying to deny us access to some of the records surrounding this raid by calling it an â??organized crimeâ?� case. This allows them further latitude when it comes to the Public Disclosure law, but wonâ??t hold up once we get the suit filed and can subpoena these records.

Since I started helping patients and their attorneys with their legal cases four years ago, not one CannaCare patient has ever been convicted of anything. We have never charged a patient, or their attorneys, a dime for this help. I'm just wondering how having a perfect record of not having a single one of our patients successfully prosecuted, indicates that I'm somehow turning patients over to the feds. I don't think the feds appreciate me very much. But if you read these posts, I'm either working for the feds...or I'm under investigation by them. Please guys...make up your collective minds. In truth, I would be surprised if they didn't continue to at least keep an eye on me as long as I'm a thorn in their side. I would imagine that I'll be "under investigation" for the rest of my life. It just comes with the job.

We still provide clones for a large segment of the medical community. When patients have had their crops torn up by rogue drug task forces, we have replaced their plants...for free. When I was raided I may have had 1500 plants (I never counted them). And I did have a caregiver at the time...because not one of those 1500 plants were in flower. It was simply a nursery. The cops got a whopping 7.5 grams of cannabis during the raid. No one was arrested...including my caregiver. I still have nothing in flower and still have to depend on others for my own meds.

If I'm trying to get rich off of medical marijuana, I'm doing a damn poor job of it. I drive a $1200 mini-van and at least half my clothes came from Goodwill. We barely make ends meet here every month and we couldn't survive without our truly outstanding crew of volunteers.

Contrary to one poster, we do have a business license and we pay our taxes. How would these idiots know whether we have a business license or not...or what we pay in taxes?

CannaCare does not sell any ID cards, nor are we advertising any cards or making any claims about cards. It's true that Jeremy Miller and Martin Martinez are selling worthless ID cards that are not "valid documentation" under state law and this will inevitably result in patients getting busted. We have had several complaints from patients that paid Jeremy for a card and have never received it. Nor have they been able to get a refund.
I know a couple of the people here who are slandering me and attempting to cause fear in the communityâ?¦which I find truly despicable. One was recently thrown out of our organization and already has pie-in-the-sky plans to go into â??competitionâ?� with our organization. Heâ??s also planning on starting his own clinic, though he has no real experience doing that. He also has no experience protecting patients legally, but that small item wonâ??t stop him. His motivation is pure greed.

This is why heâ??s spreading this garbage and why heâ??s hiding his true identity. Perhaps heâ??s like to â??outâ?� himselfâ?¦before I do. Perhaps I should post up his criminal record.

If someone wants to throw out some negative FACTS (as in something you can actually support), go right ahead. I have nothing to hide, including my real name or my contact information.

Steve Sarich
Executive Director
CannaCare
[email protected]

[gypski]

Right on Steven. :thumbsup:

[sandybarr]

Steve To say that you had a business license when you where busted is a lie. The reason I was not able to sue them for more was because you and Jason Ling did not have a business license so the medical information was not protected under HIPAA.Now you are using him again.You sons o bitches should have to pay me 10,000 bucks for having the cops come to my house with my medical marijuana authorization that they obtained from you while you operated a under the table medical marijuana clinic.How to find out about business licenses simple, google the secretary of state's office.

These cites are a joke.who would be stupid enough to post pot pictures on a website...lol Dorks or cops. Heere I am growing my pot.gaho gaho.The smart guy that thinks A drug task force cant come from another jurisdiction and bust you despite Satterberg's letter is a simpleton. I could care less about getting banned from these stupid cop run websites.What is your name,how old are you,are you a med patient,what is your birthday.Way to round em up.

These set up artists are about near the end of their rope,the new administration will be taking over shortly.If you get busted by the operatives for selling pot or growing more than 15 plants you are a risk to the honest patients and you deserve to get busted.

Hey Steve don't bother covering up with a response just let it die.these dorks will have banned me and I won't join again to respond to your reply unless you try and lie agian.I know that until your case is dropped you are a risk.period.That being said I think Jeremy Miller,or Martinez is also a risk and I would not recommend them either.You guys are all the same a chance to expose a patient..sometimes as many as 200 in a single shot.

I would only advise people to get an authorization from another doctor.I will have Jason served at one of your clinics if I get the chance.I will never forget what happened.When they flashed his authorization to me in an attempt to get in my house,and I could not get HIPAA protection because you where not a legitimate business ,I knew I was going after him and now maybe you.Funny how we were fighting just like you and Jeremy Miller were fighting when he got accosted by feds.

Glad Jason is back in the fold. How nice of him to help the medical marijuana community out again. Maybe he can do it without helping law enforcement too this time.No real MMJ patient comes to these cites anyway.who cares.

I wasn't all hot about supporting Miller,I just could not resist telling the truth.
I am sick of the lies in this community.My lies as you put it are backed by public disclosure documents.When I open my mouth I have the proof to back it up.There is not a single thing I have sadid on this thread that I can 't back up..to people that really matter.... say a court.This site matters not.How old are you where do you live,what is your birthday.post pictures of your plants Gaho gaho

[Michael420]

Hey San, why don't you tell Steve who you really are.

He thinks it's me and that's kind of annoying. I have better things to do than slink around behind an anonymous identity slinging mud at a guy I really don't care about, one way or the other.

He screwed me and I handled my business. If I still had business with the man, I'd handle it. But, I damned sure ain't the kinda knucklehead that does juvenile crap like this.

So, mods, why don't you tell Mr. Sarich that me and San are two different people with two different IPs in two different places. I have better things to do than get emails every other day about the latest episode of the Steve Sarich Show.

Piss off, Steve. This is me, Michael Allison. I don't know if you're a rat or not and I don't care. I know enough about you that you being a rat would be no shock, at all, though. How's that grab you? We straight now?

You gotta problem with me, I'll tell you the same thing I told that GI on your forums. You feeling froggy? Jump right here:

Michael Allison
3709 W. G St.
Bremerton, WA

You can come to my house, anytime, and I'll throw you a party, ok?

I hope this is the last time I have to deal with you, I'm getting tired of feeling like I need a shower after even thinking about you. So, why don't you play your little games with fools who will sit at your table. But, deal me out. You got that?

[Michael420]

Oh, I just re-read that and I seem to have lost all semblance of civility.

Please forgive my rudeness, mods. I think I meant to ask you if you could please do me a favor and take a look at our IP addresses and maybe enter them in this widget (http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation). If you could do that for me, I will be forever in your debt.

Thank you.

[Michael420]

Wow! My first three posts - in a row. That's a personal best!

Well, I joined this board in October of last year and never posted until now. I had completely forgotten about this place, to be honest. So, I'm not trying to rack up the mighty post count!

Ok, after I finally stopped boiling, it occurred to me how stupid this is. Steve, you're an idiot. Why would I tell the world about your "phony clinic" when you don't even have that, anymore?

See folks, old Steve here got a little bit over-confident. What he did was completely piss off and alienate his doctor the night before clinic. Then, at about noon on clinic day, he completely pissed off and alienated his webmaster/programmer. That was pretty stupid, huh? Pissing off the two most vital people in your business - and not just a little.

So, what do y'all imagine happened next?

If you guessed "the programmer and the doctor both told old Steve-o to get bent" you win!

So, here's a real shocker now, folks. We're so GREEDY, we are forming a non-profit medical marijuana clinic (http://cannalink.org/community/index.php?showtopic=12) that will charge $100, rather than $200+ - and we hope to drop it to $50, if we can. While we are at it, we intend to completely reinvent the patient resource center. I've had AIDS and Hep C since '93 and I wasted YEARS of my life sitting in an apt on social security staring at the idiot box and marking the days off the calendar. I was completely isolated, sick and totally without purpose or hope. I had no reason to even exist, except to consume and be entertained.

That is no life.

It's not death. That is true. But, maybe, in a way, death would be better. Life without purpose is hollow and grey.

So, here's what I want to do. I don't want one more person spending one more day alone in pain with their only human contact coming from Maury and Oprah. I want to create a place where we do arts and crafts and we teach classes about pottery-making or hemp jewelry-making or underwater basket-weaving, for all I care. I could teach a web design class a couple of days a week. Lisa, my 83 pound damned near dead wife, can teach a lot of different stuff. We'll keep the doors open by selling convenience store items and craft supplies and grow supplies and all that jazz.

It's obvious what the government will do to help us and it's even more obvious what people like Steve are in it for. So, it's clear to me that us patients and our doctors need to look out for ourselves - and screw the government and all the two-bit con artists out there. They can all go to hell. We'll just look out for our own and the world full of Steves better sit up and take notice. The clock is ticking on their asses. They're through!

And that, people, is how the cow ate the cabbage.

End of story.

And Steve, back off!

[xXPuffYXx]

We cant make it legal to grow and distribute or we will put the criminal lawyers out of business.That is why it kills me to see the ambulance chasers trying to lead the movement IE Steinborn and Hiatt.

wa activist i couldnt agree with your more! i know doug hiatt personaly and he is one of the biggest scam artists i have ever met!he will back up theives that steal from truely sick people,he is friends with some of the worst people in the state!like you said what does a lawyer have to gain from marijuana being legal...NOTHING! he knows this and with a litttle grin on the corners of his mouth(most likely from opiots)he ACTS like he cares!i also know for a fact he is part of a pain pill distribution ring headed by doc greg carter...i could go on and on about these people.i just have alot too loose.


=PuffY=

[Michael420]

It's sad, but undeniable, that there is a decidedly seedy element involved in what should be a beautiful, healing thing that benefits everyone.

It's broke, folks, and we have to fix it. Now is the time, too. All levels of government are running seriously in the red and medical marijuana is wildly popular with the citizens of this country. On top of that, we have Obama, instead of Bush.

The political and economic climate has never been more in our favor and we will win this damned war, sooner, rather than later.

Now is the time to act.

[Michael420]

For whatever it's worth, Sentry Medical Group, LLC is a registered corporation.

Corporations: Search Results (http://www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_results.aspx?search_type=simple&criteria=all&name_type=contains&name=Sentry+Medical&ubi=)

SENTRY MEDICAL GROUP, LLC
UBI Number 602837339
Category LLC
Profit/Nonprofit Profit
Active/Inactive Active
State of Incorporation WA
Date of Incorporation 06/04/2008
Expiration Date 06/30/2009
Dissolution Date
Registered Agent Information
Agent Name STEVE SARICH
Address 2440 140TH NE #47
City BELLEVUE
State WA
ZIP 98005

[killerweed420]

I think the most important thing to come out of this debate for Washingtonians is do NOT join any supposedly educational classes or illegal co-ops with your true name. If you feel the need to join one of these places use a false name and address. You do not need to be at risk by having your name on another list.

I appreciate Steve posting so that we can get his side of the story too. Its up to everybody to make a personal judgement on the issue like mature adults.

[Storm Crow]

But definately if you live in a non-MMJ state, you should have your politician's addys and emails BOOKMARKED! All you need to do is run a quick search on "(your state) government senate house contact" You will get a whole passle of sites, and most will have what you want. So pick one that you like and bookmark it. then, make a pest of yourself! Email those good 'ol boys and gals frequently- speak your mind!

Right now, we have a golden opportunity to get cannabis legal, at least medically. One thing is true of most politicians, they want to get re-elected. You might gently remind yours that most of the polls show that somewhere between 65 and 95% of the public (VOTERS) support medical use of cannabis. But politician often ignore polls- especially if they disagree with the results. What they DO pay attention to are your letters and emails. YOU have to tell them how strongly you feel about this! :thumbsup:

And don't be afraid to slip in a few titles from my list (link below). You might ask how any herb that can inspire titles like "Cannabidiol Dramatically Inhibits Breast Cancer Cell Growth" or "Cannabis May Halt Progression Of Multiple Sclerosis" or "Chemicals in Marijuana May Fight MRSA" can remain illegal? Especially when it has a fatality rate of ZERO!

I'm sure all of you can think of several solid arguments why cannabis should be legal. :thumbsup:

And as for all the Washington state hoo-rah, read what my Granddaddy said (in my sig). And the truth always comes out. :thumbsup:


Granny :hippy:

(And yes, my legislators addys are bookmarked.)

[Michael420]

I think the most important thing to come out of this debate for Washingtonians is do NOT join any supposedly educational classes or illegal co-ops with your true name. If you feel the need to join one of these places use a false name and address. You do not need to be at risk by having your name on another list.

I appreciate Steve posting so that we can get his side of the story too. Its up to everybody to make a personal judgement on the issue like mature adults.

Hell, I would have stayed out of it if he would have stuck with any of the stories I had heard. First I was crazy with AIDS-related dementia, then I was greedy, then I was a thief and then this and then that. But, I draw the line at being called a coward. I've been staring down the barrel for 15+ years without flinching once. I'm not afraid of anything, except somehow losing my integrity. Since only I can do that, I feel ok about it, mostly. Death doesn't scare me. Pain doesn't scare me. Prison would suck ass, but it doesn't really scare me, either.

Not only that, but, where I'm from, you can't let nobody paint you yellow. You're better off red, covered in your own blood, than yellow. Life is hell if people think you're weak. You'll never get the tire tracks off your back after that. You just can't let that happen - ever.

[gypski]

I think the most important thing to come out of this debate for Washingtonians is do NOT join any supposedly educational classes or illegal co-ops with your true name. If you feel the need to join one of these places use a false name and address. You do not need to be at risk by having your name on another list.

I appreciate Steve posting so that we can get his side of the story too. Its up to everybody to make a personal judgement on the issue like mature adults.

Sorry, but encouraging people to use a false name to acquire medical cannabis is, in itself a crime. Not too smart. Any quazi legal co-op who takes such false documentation is asking to be busted. Some of you need to quit spreading false legal advice and falsely stating that patient records aren't protected by law. You must be aiding and abetting someone with fear and false tactics. Now, what's all the negativity about co-ops all of a sudden. Some street dealers getting scared they will go out of business by non profits? :D

[Michael420]

Patient records are, indeed, protected by law. They can, however, be reviewed by several agencies, if they are investigating a physician for wrongdoing. One of those agencies is the DEA.

Our records will be highly encrypted and stored in a secure database. I'd like to maybe get a server offshore - not in the US. I think that's probably ideal.

[CannaCare]

Geeez....it must be a full moon. All the crazies have come out to play. Apparently Michael in unaware that we do have another doctor and we are hardly out of business. I guess his "sources" aren't as good as he thought they were.

Michael has never legally protected a single patient here in Washington. I pity the poor patients who will suffer while Michael gets his "on the job" training.

Michael's incessant need to bash me down shows how truly unprepared he is for the task that he has decided to take on. He is incapable of taking care of himself. How is he supposed to take care of patients. He is risking the safety and reputation of a doctor for his own greed. I am sorry for the turn that this has taken and for the lives that will be damaged due to the greed of the ignorant people who think that protecting patients is either easy or profitable.

What Michael failed to mention is that this doctor's whole staff quit and walked out because they refused to deal with Michael. I feel very sorry for her staff, who felt that they had no choice but to quit, even in the worst job market in Washington in recent memory. They put personal integrity above their own income. They know our whole staff and they have indicated that they all want to remain patients of ours...no matter who our doctor is. Her own staff would never deal with Michael...which is exactly how our own staff and volunteers felt about him.

Michael ended the day by calling my cell phone to threaten me. This is the "leader" who is going to bring "integrity" to the medical marijuana movement in Washington? If Michael would like, I'll post some of his threatening emails up here and you can all decide for yourselves. These aren't confidential emails... he posted his threats all over the internet.

Steve Sarich

[CannaCare]

Patient records are, indeed, protected by law. They can, however, be reviewed by several agencies, if they are investigating a physician for wrongdoing. One of those agencies is the DEA.

Our records will be highly encrypted and stored in a secure database. I'd like to maybe get a server offshore - not in the US. I think that's probably ideal.

Ooops! There we go with that "on the job training" again. They actually can't "be reviewed by several agencies". Where did Michael get that idea? They have to have a federal subpoena. The DEA has already been slapped down by a federal court judge when they tried this in Washington and Oregon. Hopefully, Michael will do a little homework before he starts "practicing" his knowledge of the law on patients.

Michael was paid for building an encrypted database to protect our patient records. He volunteered to do this because he knew we didn't have much money, but he then demanded payments over a three month period. This database never worked...not for even one day. Thank goodness we were able to get a professional programmer (another patient) to build a real live working, encrypted, database...in four days. It was working five days after Michael demanded further payments for his non-working database....and all of our patient records are now secure.

Since Michael has no patients, no records, no employees, no "501C(3)" corporation, no attorney, or any organization of volunteers...it's basically just him and his girlfriend... he doesn't really have to worry about protecting patient records at this point. Lucky for patients...at least for now.

Steve

[Michael420]

Dude, you're out of your mind.

All I told you on he phone is I don't do anything behind peoples' backs or under the radar. If I'm gonna screw you, I look you right in the eye and do what I need to do.

It's funny, but until this episode, I thought maybe you had the sense to leave me be. I haven't done anything to you, at all. You screwed me and I made myself a better deal. That's business. You should take better care of the people on whom your livelihood depends, oh master of all things business.

And, Steve, I don't claim to be an attorney. I never have. It is our intention to find an attorney to serve on our board and we want a good one, too.

It is interesting to note, though, that even with my lack of legal training, I seem to have a better grasp of RCW 69.51A than you do. I read the whole thing in 15 minutes and found out you don't really know what you're talking about - a lot. A doctor doesn't need to treat a patient to authorize them. That's what you say, but the law says they only need to diagnose. You think that might be significant? that's just the first thing you got wrong. You're too drunk to read the law.

Or telling patients that canna oil won't come up on a urine test. Let me ask you something, Dr. If the stuff is absorbed into your skin and it relieves pain. How does it do that without getting into the blood stream? How does a drug work without being in your system? Our doctor is kinda curious.

Tell me, Steve, how many people will lose their jobs because you wanted to sell a $20 bottle of oil and didn't care what you had to say to sell it?

Let's see, as long as we're emptying the trash out here, what he hell? Let's go for broke, why don't we?

My very favorite thing, though, is the way you play the young people. You get a young, desperate guy and you promise him the moon - later, of course. So, when you have patients coming out from the doctor, all excited, what's the first question they usually ask? Anyone wanna guess?

"What now? Where do I get meds?".

You know what Steve does? He says, "Well, I don't know for sure, but I think that guy might be able to help." as he nods toward the kid that's gonna do Steve's time for him. Ain't that cute?

Steve, you wouldn't last a week where I'm from. You better stay the hell out of Texas, bubba. The first guy's girls that you drool over there will probably be your last. Thank God I'm old and mellow or I woulda painted your little red wagon on the first night we met, when you drooled all over Lisa, my wife of ten years. I coulda just jacked your drunk ass, took all your bud and all your cash and been on about my merry way. But, I didn't. And, when you screwed me, all I did was walk away. I haven't mass emailed everyone on your forum, have I? I didn't take so much as a seed, did I? No, all I did was fume for three days and then I left.

And I'll say now, again, what I said then. We are going to bury you. You cannot compete against us. You are screwed. The only thing you can do now is tax people who aren't really qualified. The Steve Sarich School of the Short Con is in session!

You're pathetic and I told you. You better back off, Bubba. So far, all I've done is move forward without you. I haven't looked back once, until today. Now, if you really feel the need to continue to provoke me, rock on, buddy.

I can do this all day. I don't care. I'm just an AIDS-demented, lying, thieving, coward, right, pendejo?

[Michael420]

You've wasted enough of my time. You never shoulda messed with me. You are a compulsive drunken liar and anyone that knows you seems to understand that. Even your friends laugh about you - behind your back, of course. Everything in your world is behind the back, huh, bubba?

I'm done. Steve, anytime you wanna stop by and say hello, come say hi.

You aren't banned from my site. Your a eunuch. What are you gonna do? Badmouth me? You are insignificant.

I have said what I came here to say.

Enjoy the rest of your evening, folks. I'm being rude to house guests because of this crap. That won't do.

[CannaCare]

For whatever it's worth, Sentry Medical Group, LLC is a registered corporation.

Corporations: Search Results (http://www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_results.aspx?search_type=simple&criteria=all&name_type=contains&name=Sentry+Medical&ubi=)

SENTRY MEDICAL GROUP, LLC
UBI Number 602837339
Category LLC
Profit/Nonprofit Profit
Active/Inactive Active
State of Incorporation WA
Date of Incorporation 06/04/2008
Expiration Date 06/30/2009
Dissolution Date
Registered Agent Information
Agent Name STEVE SARICH
Address 2440 140TH NE #47
City BELLEVUE
State WA
ZIP 98005

And can you post the same name and corporation information for the "clinic" that you have advertised two weeks from now? If you can't post this, and right now, you're just blowing smoke here.

You're stating that you have all this in place, and that patients will be safe for your first clinic on March 21st. Let's see the corporate documents and business licenses. Let's see the 501C(3) that you have in place. Let's just see absolutely ANYTHING you have in place at this point. "ANYTHING" would be a good start...just to let us know that you're not totally off the reservation and blowing smoke up everyone's butt here. SHOW US WHAT YOU HAVE...don't just talk about it! You were able to show our corporate information. Now show us YOURS...please!

[CannaCare]

Your avatar is very reflective of your personality. I'm not threatening anyone. Everyone here can now decide who you are...and what you are.

Steve Sarich

[buddoc]

I am so disheartened to read all of the above posts. I thought I was doing something to help the people in WA who need medical marijuana. I was not working for anybody but the patients. How can the people mentioned above, and anyone even remotely involved with any person mentioned above believe that all of this greed and hatred is going to help anybody? I am ashamed that I have associated myself with people who have behaved so badly and that I couldn't see their real motives behind their actions. Now I trust no one.
It's a wonder I still care about helping the people of Washington get the medicine they need after all you people have put me through. However, I AM, and always will be, committed to the patients I have already met, as well as the many I have yet to meet.
I am now booking appointments for consultations with anyone who would like to discuss their medical condition with me. Your condition may or may not qualify you to use medical marijuana. I will take your history, review your records, do an examination, and formulate a plan for your care with you. I will then refer you to support organizations that are appropriate for you. I will only associate myself with those organizations that are run by decent human beings, and that I trust to take care of my patients the way I would want to be taken care of. I expect anyone I see, for this or any other reason, to behave like they would normally behave in a doctor's reception area, with courtesy and respect for other patients' privacy. My office hours are from 9-5, Monday thru Friday, and some weekend appointments may be available. I don't take insurance, and my consultation fee is $200. In turn, you will have my undivided attention for however long you need it, and my devoted care.
If any of you people above want to be associated with me, including my former office staff, you must prove yourselves to be honorable, respectful, trustworthy, and decent. The people I serve deserve nothing less.

Karen Hamilton MD
Cosmetic Gynecologist
Cascade Medical Aesthetics
1515 116th Avenue NE, Suite 105
Bellevue, WA 98004
425-455-8088
Tax ID, UBI, and all that other crap available upon request.

P.S. I'm looking for some new office staff.

[xXPuffYXx]

you are all so right karen, it seems some of us forget that medical marijuana is alot bigger than any one person.
i live to far from you to apply for work, but i am a grower and very handy at teaching others the ins and outs of growing there own meds.what i suggest is a ventrillo (voip) server for people to meet up and voice chat about there needs with growing or whatnot.if this sounds like a good idea people let me know and i will get busy on it right away,the cost is very little and i will take care of it.

=PuffY=

[Michael420]

Well, I lost my temper and I'll pay for it, I suppose.

Such is life.

But, here's the thing. I never planned this and I'm too sick and too old to be doing a bunch of drama. I'll be perfectly happy to go back to my quiet life, lick my wounds, and think, REAL HARD, before I stick my neck out again.

I can take care of myself and my wife without any help from anyone. I'll just go back to doing that. If anyone wants to start a clinic, call somebody else.

[killerweed420]

Sorry, but encouraging people to use a false name to acquire medical cannabis is, in itself a crime. Not too smart. Any quazi legal co-op who takes such false documentation is asking to be busted. Some of you need to quit spreading false legal advice and falsely stating that patient records aren't protected by law. You must be aiding and abetting someone with fear and false tactics. Now, what's all the negativity about co-ops all of a sudden. Some street dealers getting scared they will go out of business by non profits? :D
No I am not advocating using a false name for a doctors authorization. I'm saying if you want to try one of the co-ops that are illegal in Washington, to use a flase name for that. This is the one thing I like about Wash. The authorization is strictly between you and your doctor. No one else has to know.

[killerweed420]

How about if we just use constructive criticism instead of badgering and personal attacks?
I think everyone on this site is interested in the furthering the fight for MMJ laws. There is always a difference in medical clinics whether they're MMJ or not. We all have out personal preferences. There is no proof that Steve is a rat. He has a right to run his business the way he sees fit , along with everyone else.

[Michael420]

There is no proof that Steve is a rat. He has a right to run his business the way he sees fit , along with everyone else.

Yep. I couldn't agree more. This is senseless and I'm rather embarrassed that I let myself be baited like that. I'm sick and tired and I'm fed up, too, which I guess is plain to see. So, I'm back to plan A. Plan A is the "Steve who?" plan. That's the one where I do my best and he does his worst and we see who winds up where.

Plan A has a very strict requirement that no time is wasted on old business.

I'm gonna stick with that plan.

Good luck, Steve. Don't take any wooden nickels.

Peace, people.

[sandybarr]

Contact your legislator and pressure them to allow the pot clubs to operate in the same manner as the pot doc's.Then it will be legal for the have nots to get their medicine from a legitimate source.They should have offered a referendum for us to vote on,but they didn't.Maybe next year.

[sandybarr]

Referendum: Medical and Industrial marijuana Act

1. Acting on the recommendations from the Washington State Department of Health outlined in RCW 69.51A.080 (3), to implement a version of the New Mexico system, which would register medical marijuana providers as a duly Authorized employee of the State, Counties, or Cities of Washington, in order to provide a safe legal supply of medical marijuana to patients that can not grow marijuana for themselves. This Referendum would add to 69.51A .005,and 69.51A.010
2. Redefine the current state schedule for marijuana to remove Medical and Industrial marijuana from Schedule 1 in the Washington State Controlled Substances Act.
RCW 69.51A.080
Adoption of rules by the department of health â?? Sixty-day supply for qualifying patients.
3. (1) By July 1, 2008, the department of health shall adopt rules defining the quantity of marijuana that could reasonably be presumed to be a sixty-day supply for qualifying patients; this presumption may be overcome with evidence of a qualifying patient's necessary medical use.

(2) As used in this chapter, "sixty-day supply" means that amount of marijuana that qualifying patients would reasonably be expected to need over a period of sixty days for their personal medical use. During the rule-making process, the department shall make a good faith effort to include all stakeholders identified in the rule-making analysis as being impacted by the rule.

(3) The department of health shall gather information from medical and scientific literature, consulting with experts and the public, and reviewing the best practices of other states regarding access to an adequate, safe, consistent, and secure source, including alternative distribution systems, of medical marijuana for qualifying patients. The department shall report its findings to the legislature by July 1, 2008.
4. [2007 c 371 § 8.]

RCW 69.51A.005
Purpose and intent.
The people of Washington State find that some patients with terminal or debilitating illnesses, under their physician's care, may benefit from the medical use of marijuana. Some of the illnesses for which marijuana appears to be beneficial include chemotherapy-related nausea and vomiting in cancer patients; AIDS wasting syndrome; severe muscle spasms associated with multiple sclerosis and other spasticity disorders; epilepsy; acute or chronic glaucoma; and some forms of intractable pain.

The people find that humanitarian compassion necessitates that the decision to authorize the medical use of marijuana by patients with terminal or debilitating illnesses is a personal, individual decision, based upon their physician's professional medical judgment and discretion.

Therefore, the people of the state of Washington intend that:

Qualifying patients with terminal or debilitating illnesses who, in the judgment of their physicians, may benefit from the medical use of marijuana, shall not be found guilty of a crime under state law for their possession and limited use of marijuana;

Persons who act as designated providers to such patients shall also not be found guilty of a crime under state law for assisting with the medical use of marijuana;
1. Any Duly Authorized State, County, or City employees licensed to grow medical marijuana for legal medical marijuana patients ; and

Physicians also be excepted from liability and prosecution for the authorization of marijuana use to qualifying patients for whom, in the physician's professional judgment, medical marijuana may prove beneficial.
RCW 69.51A.010
Definitions.
2. The definitions in this section apply throughout this chapter unless the context clearly requires otherwise.

(1) "Designated provider" means a person who:

(a) Is eighteen years of age or older;

(b) Has been designated in writing by a patient to serve as a designated provider under this chapter;

(c) Is prohibited from consuming marijuana obtained for the personal, medical use of the patient for whom the individual is acting as designated provider; and

(d) Is the designated provider to only one patient at any one time.

(2) "Medical use of marijuana" means the production, possession, or administration of marijuana, as defined in RCW 69.50.101(q), for the exclusive benefit of a qualifying patient in the treatment of his or her terminal or debilitating illness.

(3) "Qualifying patient" means a person who:

(a) Is a patient of a physician licensed under chapter 18.71 or 18.57 RCW;

(b) Has been diagnosed by that physician as having a terminal or debilitating medical condition;

(c) Is a resident of the state of Washington at the time of such diagnosis;

(d) Has been advised by that physician about the risks and benefits of the medical use of marijuana; and

(e) Has been advised by that physician that they may benefit from the medical use of marijuana.

(4)â?�Duly Authorizedâ?� Means any duly authorized officer: of any State, territory, political subdivision thereof, the District of Columbia, or any possession of the United States, who shall be lawfully engaged in the enforcement of any law or municipal ordinance relating to controlled substances.

(5) "Terminal or debilitating medical condition" means:

(a) Cancer, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), multiple sclerosis, epilepsy or other seizure disorder, or spasticity disorders; or

(b) Intractable pain, limited for the purpose of this chapter to mean pain unrelieved by standard medical treatments and medications; or

(c) Glaucoma, either acute or chronic, limited for the purpose of this chapter to mean increased intraocular pressure unrelieved by standard treatments and medications; or

(d) Crohn's disease with debilitating symptoms unrelieved by standard treatments or medications; or

(e) Hepatitis C with debilitating nausea or intractable pain unrelieved by standard treatments or medications; or

(f) Diseases, including anorexia, which result in nausea, vomiting, wasting, appetite loss, cramping, seizures, muscle spasms, or spasticity, when these symptoms are unrelieved by standard treatments or medications; or

(g) Any other medical condition duly approved by the Washington state medical quality assurance commission in consultation with the board of osteopathic medicine and surgery as directed in this chapter.

(5) "Valid documentation" means:

(a) A statement signed by a qualifying patient's physician, or a copy of the qualifying patient's pertinent medical records, which states that, in the physician's professional opinion, the patient may benefit from the medical use of marijuana;

(b) Proof of identity such as a Washington state driver's license or identicard, as defined in RCW 46.20.035; and

(c) A copy of the physician statement described in (a) of this subsection shall have the same force and effect as the signed original.
3. [2007 c 371 § 3; 1999 c 2 § 6 (Initiative Measure No. 692, approved November 3, 1998).]
4. Notes:
Intent -- 2007 c 371: See note following RCW 69.51A.005.


Intent;
The legislative intent of this Referendum is to act on the legislative intent outlined in SB 6032 2007-2008.This Referendum would eliminate the gray market sales of medical marijuana, and allow the medical marijuana patients that can not grow marijuana for themselves, to have a safe reliable access to their legal medicine. This process would then be performed by Contractors that are duly authorized employees of the State County or City to perform this service in a legitimate business environment subject to fees and taxes.
The legislative intent of this referendum is also to remove any obstacles for the growing and manufacturing of medical marijuana and Industrial hemp, by clearly defining the Washington State Controlled substances act, and 69.51A to exclude those activities from criminal punishment, and Schedule 1 of the Washington State CSA.
This Referendum will create new jobs and revenue for Medical marijuana activities that have already been determined by the people of Washington State to be legal acts under state law; and Create new environmentally friendly jobs and revenue for Industrial Hemp activities that have been determined by federal court case law as a legal activity anywhere in the jurisdiction of the U.S NINTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS.

[gypski]

No I am not advocating using a false name for a doctors authorization. I'm saying if you want to try one of the co-ops that are illegal in Washington, to use a flase name for that. This is the one thing I like about Wash. The authorization is strictly between you and your doctor. No one else has to know.

Ok, then when co-ops become fully legal, no medical co-op is going to accept fake names or aliases period. Maybe some have a problem with people keeping records private. If that's the case, look the next time you go to the doctor's or dentist's and you'll see how freaking secure your records are. A deft burglar would have no problem cracking in. :jointsmile:

If co-ops are assisting medical patients, co-ops need to be able to verify they are valid. So if they want to comport with the law, don't accept aliases or any nom de guerre or nom de plumes. Maybe a back alley dealer might go that route but no legitimate non-profit co-op. :thumbsup:

[gypski]

Who the hell is trying to bring New Mexico's system into Washington????? We don't want a state medical ID system. We do want a degree of privacy, but with legitimate, non-state or government run co-ops or dispensaries. Keep the government out except for their sales or business license taxes. They fuck up everything they get involved in. :thumbsup:


Referendum: Medical and Industrial marijuana Act

1. Acting on the recommendations from the Washington State Department of Health outlined in RCW 69.51A.080 (3), to implement a version of the New Mexico system, which would register medical marijuana providers as a duly Authorized employee of the State, Counties, or Cities of Washington, in order to provide a safe legal supply of medical marijuana to patients that can not grow marijuana for themselves. This Referendum would add to 69.51A .005,and 69.51A.010
2. Redefine the current state schedule for marijuana to remove Medical and Industrial marijuana from Schedule 1 in the Washington State Controlled Substances Act.
RCW 69.51A.080
Adoption of rules by the department of health â?? Sixty-day supply for qualifying patients.
3. (1) By July 1, 2008, the department of health shall adopt rules defining the quantity of marijuana that could reasonably be presumed to be a sixty-day supply for qualifying patients; this presumption may be overcome with evidence of a qualifying patient's necessary medical use.

(2) As used in this chapter, "sixty-day supply" means that amount of marijuana that qualifying patients would reasonably be expected to need over a period of sixty days for their personal medical use. During the rule-making process, the department shall make a good faith effort to include all stakeholders identified in the rule-making analysis as being impacted by the rule.

(3) The department of health shall gather information from medical and scientific literature, consulting with experts and the public, and reviewing the best practices of other states regarding access to an adequate, safe, consistent, and secure source, including alternative distribution systems, of medical marijuana for qualifying patients. The department shall report its findings to the legislature by July 1, 2008.
4. [2007 c 371 § 8.]

RCW 69.51A.005
Purpose and intent.
The people of Washington State find that some patients with terminal or debilitating illnesses, under their physician's care, may benefit from the medical use of marijuana. Some of the illnesses for which marijuana appears to be beneficial include chemotherapy-related nausea and vomiting in cancer patients; AIDS wasting syndrome; severe muscle spasms associated with multiple sclerosis and other spasticity disorders; epilepsy; acute or chronic glaucoma; and some forms of intractable pain.

The people find that humanitarian compassion necessitates that the decision to authorize the medical use of marijuana by patients with terminal or debilitating illnesses is a personal, individual decision, based upon their physician's professional medical judgment and discretion.

Therefore, the people of the state of Washington intend that:

Qualifying patients with terminal or debilitating illnesses who, in the judgment of their physicians, may benefit from the medical use of marijuana, shall not be found guilty of a crime under state law for their possession and limited use of marijuana;

Persons who act as designated providers to such patients shall also not be found guilty of a crime under state law for assisting with the medical use of marijuana;
1. Any Duly Authorized State, County, or City employees licensed to grow medical marijuana for legal medical marijuana patients ; and

Physicians also be excepted from liability and prosecution for the authorization of marijuana use to qualifying patients for whom, in the physician's professional judgment, medical marijuana may prove beneficial.
RCW 69.51A.010
Definitions.
2. The definitions in this section apply throughout this chapter unless the context clearly requires otherwise.

(1) "Designated provider" means a person who:

(a) Is eighteen years of age or older;

(b) Has been designated in writing by a patient to serve as a designated provider under this chapter;

(c) Is prohibited from consuming marijuana obtained for the personal, medical use of the patient for whom the individual is acting as designated provider; and

(d) Is the designated provider to only one patient at any one time.

(2) "Medical use of marijuana" means the production, possession, or administration of marijuana, as defined in RCW 69.50.101(q), for the exclusive benefit of a qualifying patient in the treatment of his or her terminal or debilitating illness.

(3) "Qualifying patient" means a person who:

(a) Is a patient of a physician licensed under chapter 18.71 or 18.57 RCW;

(b) Has been diagnosed by that physician as having a terminal or debilitating medical condition;

(c) Is a resident of the state of Washington at the time of such diagnosis;

(d) Has been advised by that physician about the risks and benefits of the medical use of marijuana; and

(e) Has been advised by that physician that they may benefit from the medical use of marijuana.

(4)â?�Duly Authorizedâ?� Means any duly authorized officer: of any State, territory, political subdivision thereof, the District of Columbia, or any possession of the United States, who shall be lawfully engaged in the enforcement of any law or municipal ordinance relating to controlled substances.

(5) "Terminal or debilitating medical condition" means:

(a) Cancer, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), multiple sclerosis, epilepsy or other seizure disorder, or spasticity disorders; or

(b) Intractable pain, limited for the purpose of this chapter to mean pain unrelieved by standard medical treatments and medications; or

(c) Glaucoma, either acute or chronic, limited for the purpose of this chapter to mean increased intraocular pressure unrelieved by standard treatments and medications; or

(d) Crohn's disease with debilitating symptoms unrelieved by standard treatments or medications; or

(e) Hepatitis C with debilitating nausea or intractable pain unrelieved by standard treatments or medications; or

(f) Diseases, including anorexia, which result in nausea, vomiting, wasting, appetite loss, cramping, seizures, muscle spasms, or spasticity, when these symptoms are unrelieved by standard treatments or medications; or

(g) Any other medical condition duly approved by the Washington state medical quality assurance commission in consultation with the board of osteopathic medicine and surgery as directed in this chapter.

(5) "Valid documentation" means:

(a) A statement signed by a qualifying patient's physician, or a copy of the qualifying patient's pertinent medical records, which states that, in the physician's professional opinion, the patient may benefit from the medical use of marijuana;

(b) Proof of identity such as a Washington state driver's license or identicard, as defined in RCW 46.20.035; and

(c) A copy of the physician statement described in (a) of this subsection shall have the same force and effect as the signed original.
3. [2007 c 371 § 3; 1999 c 2 § 6 (Initiative Measure No. 692, approved November 3, 1998).]
4. Notes:
Intent -- 2007 c 371: See note following RCW 69.51A.005.


Intent;
The legislative intent of this Referendum is to act on the legislative intent outlined in SB 6032 2007-2008.This Referendum would eliminate the gray market sales of medical marijuana, and allow the medical marijuana patients that can not grow marijuana for themselves, to have a safe reliable access to their legal medicine. This process would then be performed by Contractors that are duly authorized employees of the State County or City to perform this service in a legitimate business environment subject to fees and taxes.
The legislative intent of this referendum is also to remove any obstacles for the growing and manufacturing of medical marijuana and Industrial hemp, by clearly defining the Washington State Controlled substances act, and 69.51A to exclude those activities from criminal punishment, and Schedule 1 of the Washington State CSA.
This Referendum will create new jobs and revenue for Medical marijuana activities that have already been determined by the people of Washington State to be legal acts under state law; and Create new environmentally friendly jobs and revenue for Industrial Hemp activities that have been determined by federal court case law as a legal activity anywhere in the jurisdiction of the U.S NINTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS.

[killerweed420]

I agree. No state run MMJ dispensaries. Dispensaries she be a cash run business. Show your ID buy some cannabis. That simple. Otherwise your name is on another list and if the winds of politics change again and some idiot outlaws cannabis again the won't bring that list to your front door with a no knock search warrant and start busting heads again. No thanks.

[sandybarr]

This is not a state run system!

The state will license the grower to be a duly authorized state county or city employee,in order to operate legally under federal law as per 885 D of the Federal CSA. New Mexico has sugeested this,and it happens to be one of the suggestions the DOH put forward.It is like waste management in that it is a contracted service.This is the only way to protect patients from federal prosecution.It is the only way to bring this service forward legally.Only people that do not know how to run a business would appose this Act.

Some people prefer the Gray Market situation because they are making ooodles of money.who cares if the patients get tainted pot or gets caught up in a rico act investigation like I did.

This Act will enable us to grow and sell pot to the have nots above board while still maintaining the right to grow your own or have a caregiver grow it for you.The achilles heel in all this are the have nots and the pot clubs.They are not legal period it is nothing more than a black(gray) market drug deal.The way I see it the Green Cross has been either busted themselves or had their growers busted too many times to continue on in a gray market fasion...Only a desperate fool would go to any of the pot clubs right now.

The WSP organized crime unit,and feds are all about tracking this type of activity.The only way to put a stop to all the nonsense is to contract out the service to duly authorized State,County,or City employee's.Then the feds or the WSP organized crime unit can do nothing but move on the the cack heads,and meth heads.

If you do not take adantage of 885 d then you are putting the patients at risk.Even any legislation would have to be written this way.Until the feds reschedule marijuana that is the way it is going to be.

[gypski]

I'll vote against this and work against it. No independence. No state stores with MMJ. Keep the government out. :thumbsup::jointsmile:

[5thHorseMan]

by insisting that way, your only putting it further back. The state is in effect saying that their willing to give mmj a shot, but that growers need to easily accountable.

You are in effect saying that the current situation is preferable, when it's not. I've been on here for a few days so far, and I can't even count the number of posts bickering about whose honest, who isn't, whose legal, whose black market.

I wouldn't go to a doctor that wasn't licensed, I wouldn't get in a car with someone who wasn't licensed, and if I'm gonna get mmj, I'd like the person I'm getting it from to be licensed as well, and their product supervised for my health, and it's effectiveness.

[sandybarr]

Your garbage is not picked up by a government agency,it is contracted out to a business that provides the service. The only thing the government is doing is authorizing a public service in a manner that makes it impossible for the feds or the organized crime units to come after you. I wish there was another way to do this but there isnt. Why authorize someone to grow without offering them the protection of 885 d.That will set everyone up for a bust.That would be exactly what Ed Rosenthal went thru.Since we know from the federal court ruling in that case why he was not able to claim he was providing a government service,we can craft a law that will cover all the bases.The act written above accounts for all of the issues that were exposed by the Ed Rosenthal case. The state law has to say duly authorized employee of a state ,county,or City.I have changed that portion of the law to include duly authorized employee with patient,and care giver.

Under this act there is nothing the feds or WSP can do about growing and selling to the have nots..nothing. Sure the pot clubs won't like it,they like things the way they are.Patients will like it because they will be buying medicine from a legal source without fear of rico act investigations or fear of tainted supply.These contractors will have legal standing and be requires to insure their products and be culpable.

When growing in a legal setting you can grow enough to make the process profitable to offset fee's and taxes.

I won't go to a pot club ever again.You can take your chances, but me I am thru risking an organized crime investigation and having to hire a lawyer,just to get my medicine..Not to mention the people that supply these clubs..who have been getting busted also.Some guy in Kitsap County killed himself after getting caught growing for the green cross. Why continue to go thru this why not do what you need to do to make it all legal. The Act above does that.

[killerweed420]

At this point it still doesn't matter what any state,including Wash. does as far MMJ laws. Its still illegal federally so if the DEA wants to make a big deal out of it they can. Which is why I don't want my name on another list. And as our society goes, what happens in say 5 years where the politicians should decide to make it illegal? Again I wouldn't want my name on a list. But I would still like to see some sort of a co-op arrangement where patients that can't grow have a safe and legal place to purchase there meds.

[sandybarr]

The feds couldn't do squat if it is grown under the immunity of 885 d,as long as the mmj law is written to account for duly authorized employees. The only people we have ever had to worry about anyway was the state drug task forces who have started 99 percent of the medical marijuana cases.In particular the organized crime unit of the WSP.When you join a club or organization you will be held liable for those activities even though you did not make or spend money,or have any decision making authority in the group.The Rico Act is a bitch.I should know because I am in one right now and have to worry for another 4 years while they decide to charge me because somebody decided selling clones by the thousands was the thing to do,all while they had a care giver and no business license for an under the table MMJ clinic out of the same costco wharehouse clone selling enterprise.

The sad thing is the guy does the same thing over and over with different people.He makes a bunch of money,goes off on lavish vacations under the guise of MMJ activism then the things goes tits up because the volenteers want their turn to go to nova scotia to watch the total eclipse of the sun.No wonder other people want their own clinic too,so they can be the pharoh that gets to travel to nova scotia to see the total eclipse of the sun.lol

Meanwhile after being a victim of the mmj movement heads,I spend my social security money on the meat and potatoes of fighting the movement.Rescheduling ,public disclosure etc, that the pharoh runs to the media with to attract more rico contestants..If anyone deserves to go to nova scotia to see the total eclipse of the sun it should be me.LOL

[sandybarr]

people are already on a list when they buy pharmacueticals..and the feds cant do squat about it.I would go on a list if I had the immunity under 885 d.I could not be charged, so being on a list would be a moot point.Nor could I be charged in a Rico Act/Organized crime investigation.

The list does bother me if I would not have immunity under 885 d.The feds fear that the states will arrange immunity for us that is why the condition federal grants to stop the states from setting this up legally under the immunity under 885 d.

Of course the list would only be for people that can not grow for themselves or operate a clup..When you go to a pharmacy you are on a list.I would not grow if I could get meds from a reputible,culpable business protected by 885 d.

If free market competition were competing for my business then prices would go down.That is the best way to do this,without having to worry about the feds,drug task forces or the WSP.

[sandybarr]

I was caught with 6 plants,they could not charge me federally or state wise.The only thing hanging over my head is a Rico Act investigation because I used to be part of Cannacorn 6 months prior to my arrest (when they had under 100 plants,and quit because of the amount of plants among other reasons) and got an authorization from cannabiogen (Jason Ling/Steve Sarich with no business license).

Provide immunity under 885 d and all that would have been impossible.If Sarich had been a duly authorized state,county or city employee 200 plus people would not be subject to Rico Act charges for the next 4 years....!

[gypski]

I think there are some people who better quit smoking the medication. :D :jointsmile: RICO, what wacko talk, and bad weed????? More scare tactics. :( Those who really know won't buy one bit of it, the BS that is along with the bad weed or medicine as that is what it is. :smokin:

[5thHorseMan]

If sandybarr or anyone else believes there's something out there that could put a mmj patients well being at risk, then they need to voice those concerns. And Rico is a real concern. It was one of the primary charges against Rosenthal, and doubtlessly has been used against others.

In short if your going to say sandy's wrong, explain why she's wrong.

[sandybarr]

Gypski runs a co -op,no wonder he is all against this
LOLOLOLOL

http://boards.cannabis.com/feedback-suggestions/168247-what-happened.html

Sarich is good, he has already wiped out Sarich is a snitch on the google search.These guys have some good computer hacks working for them.There is something on this thread they don't want the public to see.Perhaps it will interfere with their round up scam.

[gypski]

If sandybarr or anyone else believes there's something out there that could put a mmj patients well being at risk, then they need to voice those concerns. And Rico is a real concern. It was one of the primary charges against Rosenthal, and doubtlessly has been used against others.

In short if your going to say sandy's wrong, explain why she's wrong.

After they charge members of the Bush administration under RICO, get back to me. Otherwise, if you are implying a RICO offense at me or any other people in the Washington Medical Marijuana community, the government has really gone off the deep end. We really do still live in a world of Reefer Madness, and its not the real smokers who are the crazy ones. I don't need to point out any examples I don't think! :D:jointsmile:

[5thHorseMan]

If you won't support your claims with evidence, it's because you can't.

[gypski]

If you won't support your claims with evidence, it's because you can't.

I guess you missed my point. I don't give a flying fuck what you two have to say, RICO or No RICO, DEA or no DEA, or what the fuck ever. If all the state has to do is run around trying to catch pot smokers, (and its not pot smokers or medical marijuana users who have fucked up the country might I remind you, but supposedly sane, straight people), then go right ahead. They will just continue to prove that they are the real nuts while real crimes take place as they are wasting their time on marijuana. :thumbsup:

And this is my very last words on this subject. And no, whether I'm involved in a co-op or not, if people avail themselves of it or not, I'm tired of being seen as a criminal because I use medical marijuana or recreational marijuana, or whatever. I don't drink any more and I don't condemn drunks. I'm no where near the type of person who gets their kicks arresting the same, or finding joy in ruining lives because of some false domestic marijuana terrorism policy perpetrated on innocent people by the federal government. To me, they are the crazy people. :twocents:

[sandybarr]

The reality is Gypski feels threatened by the documented problems with joining pot clubs or co ops,and does not want to admit he or she has a conflict of interest in this discussion..

The reality is when a medical marijuana patient joins a pot club or a co op they might as well join a biker gang,or a street gang. People are selling something that is illegal to sell,and the can be subject to a rico act investigation or a WSP Organized crime investigation.

I speak of this because I want the medical marijuana patients to know what happened to me,and I don't want them to go thru what I have gone thru.I have taken a lot of flac for voicing my views on this.For the longest time Dale Rogers,and his cronies would call and hang up at early hours for telling patients about my ordeal on the DOH website.

Sarich has admitted that he is selling clones again on this thread.Selling clones is illegal.Every current member of cannacare is subject to an organized crime or Rico investigation right now.You don't think the feds monitor these websites....

The fact is people will join anyway,because they have no black market contacts, they don't care, or they don't know about Rico or the WSP Organized crime units. I didn't.

Some people need to know.Some people have kids or are in a bad position to hire a lawyer.One charge that was levied against one of the 200 people in my case was a failure to report illegal activity.This is some federal charge that was used to scare someone into copping a plea,or working for the feds in the Sarich case.(Contact Attorney Stephan Illa if you don't believe me)

No it wasn't me, the feds will have a hard time tying me to Sarich,and as far as reporting illegal activity I have documented evidence that I quit cannacare because of it.Plus the initiating agency has already admitted to a claim of retaliation,and settled out of court, so I would be hard to charge now.

My lessons are now passed on.do with them as you wish.Running a pot club or co op and don't like the message... tough.

[sandybarr]

FYI,

Jeff steinborn was caught involved with a boat full of marijuana in Oregon.A federal Judge lied for him and said he was in his chambers.Steinborn was investigated by a grand jury for helping to launder drug money.There is another case involving an airplane,so Steinborn I believe has been busted by Air, land and Sea.Doug Hiatt and Muracco run several of these marijuana websites from the offices of Steinborn and Hiatt. Sarich operates with the approval of Norml and the MPP.I have long thought and still do think that they are all in cahoots.Along with the Green Cross. All of them have been busted ,and all of them have done no time.All of them should be avoided.

[killerweed420]

We're all at risk for MJ whether recreational or medical. All you can do is educate yourself,weigh the risks and come to a decision which way you want to go.
Hopefully at some point this will al become mute when the masters of the universe at the federal level finally legalize both cannabis and hemp.

[CannaCare]

FYI,

Jeff steinborn was caught involved with a boat full of marijuana in Oregon.A federal Judge lied for him and said he was in his chambers.Steinborn was investigated by a grand jury for helping to launder drug money.There is another case involving an airplane,so Steinborn I believe has been busted by Air, land and Sea.Doug Hiatt and Muracco run several of these marijuana websites from the offices of Steinborn and Hiatt. Sarich operates with the approval of Norml and the MPP.I have long thought and still do think that they are all in cahoots.Along with the Green Cross. All of them have been busted ,and all of them have done no time.All of them should be avoided.

More conspiracy theories. I guess the medical marijuana issue breeds them. I'm not welcome in Steinborn's office. I haven't had one conversation with Doug Hiatt in months...and don't intend to. Muraco is not on speaking terms with Hiatt either. I have a particularly nasty relationship with Keith Stroup, who's still in charge at NORML. I do speak with people at Green Cross from time to time over MMJ issues, but we have no other relationship, business or otherwise.

I do speak occassionally with Nathan Miller, an attorney at MPP, over common legal issues. I never speak to Rob Kampia, the head of MPP, and I've never asked for any type of grant from MPP...and never will. I don't know why I would need "approval" to "operate" from NORML or any other organization.

I have always stated, very publicly, that our organization provides clones for our patients. I believe I supplied you with your first plants. I don't remember you complaining at the time. We have also replaced the gardens of countless patients that have had their gardens destroyed by drug task forces. We've done that for free.

Is providing clones legal? Actually, the way we do it, it is. I don't care to share with everyone here (including the cops) how we can do this legally...you'll just have to trust me on that one...or not. I would much rather see the patients that can, grow their own medication. Without the availability of good genetics, how would they do that? Buy "illegal" seeds instead of "illegal clones"?

To think that we have to be completely "legal" or we shouldn't be helping patients is simply not compassionate. Not one CannaCare patient has ever been successfully prosecuted and the vast majority have never been charged. I'd say that's the best record in Washington. It hardly implies that we're "putting patients at risk"...quite the opposite. Not one of these patients has ever been charged a dime for our help. And we're "greedy"?

I currently have three broken fillings that are killing me. I wish I could afford to go to a dentist. Please don't imply that I'm some greedy criminal preying on patients. Nothing could be further from the truth. If I really was greedy, I'd simply drop out of the public eye, move out into the country and grow like crazy. Instead, I have not one single plant in flower...anywhere...and haven't for quite some time. I buy my meds like most other patients who aren't flowering a garden. Sorry to disappoint you.

For the last time...I have never been "busted". I don't know why you keep spreading that BS. The only one that thinks "the sky is falling" seem to be you. I'm sorry...I choose not to live in fear. And I certainly don't want to spread fear. I'll leave that to all the conspiracy theorists. ;)

Steve

[Dreadscale]

Hi All !!! :thumbsup:

It just sickens me to see all the name dropping here!!!

I am here for help with MMJ in Washington!!!

I don't agree with everyone here but I don't list their names on the NET!!!

I am no expert on WA law but I know listing people's names can not be a good thing!!!

Are you all sucked up into some kind of CO_OP war that is ongoing?

If I don't agree with you, thats fine, I will argue my point!!
I will Not post your name for the world to see!!!

The Sky May be Falling!!
I just hope you all got my back!!!

Please don't use this forum to post names of people who may be involved in things you don't agree with!

If you got a legitimate bitch, call the DA!!!

I am here for the help I get from my piers!!
I have felt bad naming "Screen Names" I cant believe you all got the balls to name names!!!

Suck it up!!! or go to another forum!!!


In Washington we all try to help each other, try to fit in!!!

[sandybarr]

Steve,

How long have you known that Marijuana is not properly scheduled,and that Washington State is not following the schedule I test. 2 years...at least since 2007.What have you done besides talk about it..not a goddamn thing I filed it because you wouldn't.How many trips have you taken since then....

How long did you talk about writing the counties to see what plant limits they were enforcing..6 months.Who finally wrote the counties Me..What was your response when I did.You went frigin nuts.Then the responses came in and you were all over them.Off to the media you ran even threatened legal action againts Yakima..How is that going. Like I thought great advertising.

I sat in on some of the early cannacorn meetings when you were asked point blank to get the proper licenses to protect us all.I still have the thread to this day.What did you do.You mean you couldn't pay 25 bucks for a goddamn business license.WEAK very fucking weak.You and Ling should be strung by your thumbs for that.Irresponsible.Baked goods another high risk .

You posted on a blog that you had the support of the MPP and Norml to open cannacare.When I sent them both a copy of that thread (which I still have,and their responses) they denied being involved with you.When two men say they are Jesus one of them must be wrong.

You can not keep a group together period.It is just a matter of time before they see you living the life of a vacationing pharoh and want to hold the locnar for themselves.Your latest sophist promotion is to make money in Washington State and run an initiative in NEVADA.Sheer genius..I would not hold my breath.

You are not a movement head this state needs you have made thousands of dollars exposed hundreds of patients,and have not filed one meaningful lawsuit to do what you know needs to be done,but you take credit for them in the media.You could have hired Carl for One thousand,had him draw it up and file it for another grand.You mean you have not made two grand off of your high risk business ventures...Oh its always somebody elses fault or there is always a train ride to California or a plane ride to Amsterdamn.Hell I am surprised you had the time to respond to this blog.Did you come back early from your trip to nova scotia to see the total eclipse of the sun.

The fact is law enforcement came to my house with Jason Ling's authorization for me to use medical marijuana to try to get into my house.. I had no HIPPA protection period. none. Zilch.Why because you couldn't afford to spend 25 ffing bucks.That says it all.Now the old cannabiogen team is back together. Well fine.

I am going to be your biggest critic.Every day that goes by and every clinic that you run goes by and every dime you make that does not go towards what we both know is the battle that needs to be fought,I will berate you.

I have tons of public disclosure documents and filed several lawsuits all with thousands of dollars of my own money.You run a MMJ clinic sold clones,and god knows what else,have made thousands and have only vacations to show for it.

You lost another group what a surprise. what is this your 15th group.You better run along and catch another train to where the heck ever. When you say "we" you mean me.You should be suckering another group of volenteers into another USA for Steve promotion.

[sandybarr]

My goal here is to inform patients.I am letting everyone know what happened to me so they can make their own judgements.Some people if you don't tell them they won't know.

The movement heads are advertising as saviors of the MMJ patient.They are totally against the effort to reschedule marijuana on a state level.They will not push for duly authorized state county or city employees they wanted 99 plant 79 ounce limits and have the courts sort everything out.

The patients need to know the issues,and who is and who isnt a white night that is going to come running to the rescue. I ahve access to patients that have made serious claims against the people that I have mentioned.Steve knows who they are. They relied on these movement heads and ended up in a federal prison with a felony charge of growing to much medical marijuana in a state without a plant limit law.

They sat back and let us all grow into a trap.They took our money and left us with the false impression that they were there to do what is right.Conspiracy theory eh Steve.I have some emails of you berating these guys too be careful.

Steve knows very goddman well that there are specific things that should be done immediately poste haste.Everything else is a foolish waste of time.

1.CHALLENGING THE STATE SCHEDULE FOR MARIJUANA
2.An amendment to the Washington State medical marijuana law allowing growers to be licensed as duly authorized employees contracted to provide a service.

We should not have to rely on somebody that makes 740 bucks a month on SSS to be doing what is right.You wanna be a movement head fine lead the way.That stick you feel upside your head is my way of telling you that you are wasting time and hot air. You have access to the arguments you know them better than I do and have known longer than I have.

[killerweed420]

Personally I feel this thread should be closed by the mod. Too many personal attacks and comments with little facts to back them up. Names should never be used on these sites unless its to post the name of a narc or an undercover officer.

[Dreadscale]

Hi All !!! :thumbsup:

It just sickens me to see all the name dropping here!!!

I am here for help with MMJ in Washington!!!

I don't agree with everyone here but I don't list their names on the NET!!!

I am no expert on WA law but I know listing people's names can not be a good thing!!!

Are you all sucked up into some kind of CO_OP war that is ongoing?

If I don't agree with you, thats fine, I will argue my point!!
I will Not post your name for the world to see!!!

The Sky May be Falling!!
I just hope you all got my back!!!

Please don't use this forum to post names of people who may be involved in things you don't agree with!

If you got a legitimate bitch, call the DA!!!

I am here for the help I get from my piers!!
I have felt bad naming "Screen Names" I cant believe you all got the balls to name names!!!

Suck it up!!! or go to another forum!!!


In Washington we all try to help each other, try to fit in!!!

Just Saying If You got Proof, call the DA!!!

If it,s hear say "PLEASE STOP"

Dread

[sandybarr]

EMAIL THREADS AND PUBLIC DISCLOSURE IS AVAILABLE upon request.
This thread contains priceless information patients can use.Aside from the ex cannacorn members spats this thread can be helpfull for some patients.

[david98686]

I don't know any of you guys, got my rec from the assholes at THC-F, but I heard mention of someone not having a bussiness licence. With no bussiness licence Hippa does not protect your patient records from a warrant, so they confiscated them. Isn't that where the snitch reference came from? If the dea or local Leo pulls a dispensay patient list do you think the Hippa protection applies, don't think so.. ;)

[sandybarr]

The DEA tried to get patient records from THCF but lost the case.The DEA WALKED IN TO CANNACLONE AND TOOK 200 PATIENT RECORDS.


YOUR GODAMN RIGHT I GO TO THCF,WHETHER YOU THINK THEY ARE ASSHOLES OR NOT.I DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT COPS COMING TO THE DOOR WITH MY AUTHORIZATION FROM THCF

[sandybarr]

WSP ORGANIZED CRIME UNIT APPLIES.

[david98686]

Lol, I go to the THC-F whether I think they are assholes or not too, they do know how to run a bussiness and have proper Hippa protection of our records.
I just don't happen to think they care about the patients any more than the rest of the outfits.. ;)

[sandybarr]

Stay away from a navy dr.that works with a so called movement leader.
As far as I am concerned they owe 200 people 10,000 bucks for failing to secure medical records because they did not have a business license.

They are not forgiven.. until they fucking pay up..they are black marks on the movement and should not be trusted.

[killerweed420]

I think everyone should calm down. Its just the greed starting to take over the movement which is the same thing that happens to every movement in America. Dr. Orvald is getting very rich off of this. I don't care. Its still a free market system in this country and he's entitled to milk as much money out of people as he wants.
I just would hate to see the greed kill this movement.

[gypski]

I think everyone should calm down. Its just the greed starting to take over the movement which is the same thing that happens to every movement in America. Dr. Orvald is getting very rich off of this. I don't care. Its still a free market system in this country and he's entitled to milk as much money out of people as he wants.
I just would hate to see the greed kill this movement.

I couldn't agree more. We will have those who will want the government to grow and control. We know that will be doomed to failure since anything the government does turns to shit because its all based on interests other then the people's. :D

The marijuana market, medical or legal recreational, will always be open to the free market. Money will always be made off of it and people will always pay for it even if they grow it in their yards like tomatoes. Nothing in life is free, not even freedom. And legions have paid the price for cannabis freedom and are still, paying daily. And we have an admitted smoker sitting in the White House who refuses to do the right thing by Executive Order. :wtf:

[sandybarr]

Show me where the Washington State law says you can sell or give away clones?????????????????? I went down for being associated with some clown that thought that would be a brilliant idea.Right now every Sentry medical patient is subject to Rico because a movement leader likes to brag about breaking the law.Some of these people don't know better.

Sure Orvald and Stanford make money..but they don't peddle clones or baked goods like that idiot "movement leader" does...and your records are safe there.

The FBI has had the same success as the "Movement leader", only they sell horse manure and fertilizer,to see how many terorists they can catch.

I am singling out the "Movement leader" because I think he lies like a rug ..and I think he takes stupid fucking chances with other innocent people's lives.

[sandybarr]

Anyone that has had contact with Sentry medical,cannacare or the Navy doctor should write an email,and send registered mail to the head of those organizations claiming that they are quitting the organizations due to criminal activity,and keep a copy of that letter or email in order to protect yourself from Rico act charges.

That is what I did and law enforcement was not able to arrest me.If I did not have those emails and the emails that were sent back to me by disgruntled cannacare members I would have been charged.They came after me for my activism not the movement leaders.He was just what I thought he was a roundup waiting to happen.

Fw: out of cannacare‏
From: Ken Stone ([email protected])
Sent: Sun 1/21/07 4:58 AM
To:
Cc: [email protected]

----- Original Message ----- From:To: <[email protected]>Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: out of cannacare > Hello Ken,> Steve told me he got rid of a bunch of plants to stay below the federal > limit.> He did not.> He just branched out to vancouver and bellingham.> this is something I do not support.> I feel steve made this decision alone.> He told me he was reducing his numbers.> Instead he has grown his numbers.> I am not comfortable with steve telling us one thing and doing another.> He is risking everyone in his organization.> I have dropped out of his organization effective today.> Steve is setting everyone up for a conspiracy Charge.> The feds do not like us all spread out.> The love it when they can go to one organization and round us all up.> Steve is creating a round up.> I am not going to be part of steves roundup.> I suggest you don't be either.> He wants you to help him move those things again.> I would not become a party to an obvious conspracy.> You thought you were helping him.> But he did not disclose to you that those were still his plants.> He did not adhere to our advice.> he simply told us what we wanted to here,they were gone.> I don't trust steve anymore.> I feel he is setting up medical marijuana patients like bowling pins.

[gypski]

Medical marijuana patients are individuals who have a legal doctor's authorization, and as such are legal under the law. Why are you trying to spread so much fear or panic??? That's insane from someone who professes to support medical marijuana. You'd think you'd be offended you had to get caught or live with the fear of being caught doing something you profess you should have a right to do. You present a real dicotomy, and people should take your stuff with a grain of salt since you are a disgruntled patient who seems to be trying to cover his ass for LEO here in the public domain. :D

[jackmillions]

Anyone that has had contact with Sentry medical,cannacare or the Navy doctor should write an email,and send registered mail to the head of those organizations claiming that they are quitting the organizations due to criminal activity,and keep a copy of that letter or email in order to protect yourself from Rico act charges.

^ dumbest idea I've heard in a while. That *could be viewed as an admission of guilt.

And even if you severed the relationship, I seriously doubt that it would protect someone from a RICO case. "Hey Mr. FBI guy, I quit the MOB so you can't come after me any more for my past behavior."

If you had the association then, it doesn't matter that you don't have it now. They can still come after you, moron. Sandy, you're retarded, one trick pony. You're idea of legal 'advice' is a joke.

You spread FUD with your rambling BS. Your wild ass claims come close to having real information, but they just don't quite pass the bar. Quit posting the SAME FUCKING THING every day. If you have actual information, then name names, site case numbers, and try to be just slightly fucking coherent.

[sandybarr]

Fact.If I did not have those emails and the 10 other emails from cannacare members describing my involvement then I would have been arested.Period.They came after me not Cannacare. Rico has its limitations.One is reporting illegal activity once you have discovered it.Check.The other is removing yourself from that association once you find out about illegal activity.Check.

If they could have shown I did not report illegal activity or quit because of it,they could have hauled me away that day.But they didn't.Believe me they wanted to.I was after documents that they did not want to be expopsed to the public and still don't.You have not seen the affidavitts.The affidavit for the movement leader was more about me than it was him.They thought they were going after the current assistant director of Cannacare.When they got there they found emails that prooved otherwise.

The real assistant director at the time started this thread.I could give a ratss ass what you people think.I post my stuff whether you dorks like it or not.
I have been in contact with some of the people on this thread and I believe they have sent the movement leader registered letters.The movement leader reffered to patients as his patients.They were actually Dr Hamilton's patients.Last I checked the movement leader was not a doctor.

Gypski is a peddler. Jack I could care less what you two think.

[sandybarr]

Oh yeah Jack I thought I was lying about Rico according to Gypski.Now all of a sudden Rico is real and I supposedly cant get out of it once I join a group.

Well one of the emails I have the movement leader states that he and he alone makes the decisions regarding cannaclone.That defeats the purpose of a board and renders it useless and puts the liability on the movement leader and not the board and the members..If you state that the boards decision does not matter,you have undermined the purpose of the board and limited the scope of liability.
Plus I have emails of the movement leader agreeing to policy set out by the board then changing that policy on his own and telling everyone to form their own organization if they didn't like it..I did.

I will spare the 10 other emails that I have,and keep them for the next 4 years in case I am charged.

My public disclosure quest sticks in their craw.They would love to get me and stop my real activism efforts.They were not at all interested in the movement leader and his gray market enterprise.That is the name of the game in Washington.Identify patients and you go home.Sell all the pot,and clones you like,all leo asks is that you point out the patients and boy did the movement leader do that.

[sandybarr]

To date not a single pot club has been arrested here in Washington.Amazing or is there an underlying reason.Public disclosure information wil show that pot clubs have to date turned over thousands of patients to law enforcement,but none were charged.

I believe that pot cluvbs are narcs.Don't like my opinion fine I am allowed to have one.When you get caught with 1500 plants and admit you have a caregiver that is a bust.When you import pot from switzerland that is a bust.Why werent they busted.Because they identified their growers or their patients and walked.

[gypski]

Gypski is a peddler. Jack I could care less what you two think.

:S2: A RICO against Cannacare is a total waste of taxpayer money and some idiot at the DEA whose been smoking the confiscated product must have dreamed it up. And you are the only one crying the blues so something is fishy there. :jointsmile:

[sandybarr]

There will be no Rico, the patients have been identified The round up was a success.Just like there were no charges for Importing pot from switzerland,just like there were no charges for distributing pot in the U district.All you have to do is turn over patients. We dont have a registry we have pot clubs.

That is why I don't fucking trust them. I have legal challenges galore.For a fed I sure spend alot of my own money on court challenges.What do the pot clubs do sell pot or clones and make bank and identify growers and patients.Mark my words a pot club will never get busted here.They will contiue to turn over patient data in exchange for a free pass.

The movement leader got his the other pot clubs got theirs,then it is back to more illegal activities and round ups.

Hey If you let me sell pot and clones I will turn over patients records!!!Fuck em fuck em all.Pot clubs suck.That faggot Dale can call me all he likes I will never trust a pot club again

[jackmillions]

To date not a single pot club has been arrested here in Washington.Amazing or is there an underlying reason.Public disclosure information wil show that pot clubs have to date turned over thousands of patients to law enforcement,but none were charged.

I believe that pot cluvbs are narcs.Don't like my opinion fine I am allowed to have one.When you get caught with 1500 plants and admit you have a caregiver that is a bust.When you import pot from switzerland that is a bust.Why werent they busted.Because they identified their growers or their patients and walked.

First off moron, typically people put two spaces after a period. Just because you post typical internet style FUD and unfounded conspiricy theory BS, doesn't mean you have to strive to make it hard to read.

Second off, the 'scheme' you describe above is ass backwards. Since when does law enforcement go after the big fish... and then work backwards to get the little fish. That is just not the way it works. TIn the non-Sandybarr real world, the local task forces and DEA get the little fish, and leverage that into getting bigger fish.

I can really see officers knocking on 15,000 to 20,000 doors in WA to serve search warrents on patients. That's not going to happen. It would be too expensive, time consuming, logistically difficult, and most of all a PR nightmare.

Go make a website or start your own blog. Post your paperwork (i.e. case numbers, affidavits, warrents/charging papers, et cetera). Spell it out your BS with more thought and clearity than you do on this site... because pased on all your repetitive posts on this site you're just full of shit and hot air. Back it up or STFU.

[sandybarr]

A moron imports pot from switzerland.A moron is the Norml Attorney that was convinced there was a loophole in the law that allowed the importation of pot from switzerland.

Big fish who says they go after the big fish.No pot club owner has ever even seen the inside of a jail..There is a reason for that.Narc narc narc!

I am full of shit.Everyone is entitled to their opinion.I sure make people mad by posting the truth.Wait til I post the importation of pot from switzerland public disclosure stuff.Then you will really se who is full of shit lolololol
Import pot from switzerland.. and they got busted... no ...your kidding right.lololololol

Grow 1500 plants and have a caregiver and go in the papers and say you sell clones..and you got busted...No..you are kidding right.They all have this cozy relationship with Norml and the MPP who claim not to have anything to do with them while local chapter affiliates provide them with support. Norml is a bust. Norml is full o chit.Import pot from switzerland what a brilliant piece of work that prominent jewish attorney is.He is a bust. That spagetti cooking lawyer that works with him is another moron.The lady with the bird a website hacking moron. I have the support of Norml and MPP what a frigin liar.The movement liar is a lie a minute.

[killerweed420]

A lot of people are positioning themselves to get rich off the whole MMJ thing. I don't really care. Its the way things have always been done in this country. As long as they can get it legalized for everyone I have no problem with it. I just want the insanity to stop.:jointsmile:

[sandybarr]

I just want people to be aware of what might happen under the curent insanity,and let them know that the people leading our movement are insane.

I mean look at our movement leaders.One lady with a patch that thought they could import drugs from Switzerland under some loophole.LOLOLOL What a whack job she is.

One guy wanted to sell clones out of a costco sized wharehouse without changing the law to make that legal.lolololol

These people aren't qualified to order their own lunch let alone somebody else's.We don't have competent leadership whatsoever with this movement.These people are a danger to us all.If you can't see that fine.Me I have seen our leadership in action and I will not allow these morons to speak for me anymore.

[gypski]

A lot of people are positioning themselves to get rich off the whole MMJ thing. I don't really care. Its the way things have always been done in this country. As long as they can get it legalized for everyone I have no problem with it. I just want the insanity to stop.:jointsmile:

The future of the marijuana industry or market will be mostly driven by locals who are not very different then micro breweries. Many will rise and many will fall, but in a multi-billion dollar market there will be plenty of opportunities for the entrepreneur. I seriously doubt of major American brands like the booze industry, but some will grow better then others and that will separate the market. All the government needs to do is issue licenses, collect their cut, make sure the product is natural and not adulturated, and regulate the scales just like in the supermarket, and then stay the hell out of it. Nature and the market would sort out the rest. :twocents: :thumbsup:

[killerweed420]

The future of the marijuana industry or market will be mostly driven by locals who are not very different then micro breweries. Many will rise and many will fall, but in a multi-billion dollar market there will be plenty of opportunities for the entrepreneur. I seriously doubt of major American brands like the booze industry, but some will grow better then others and that will separate the market. All the government needs to do is issue licenses, collect their cut, make sure the product is natural and not adulturated, and regulate the scales just like in the supermarket, and then stay the hell out of it. Nature and the market would sort out the rest. :twocents: :thumbsup:

Except you know they won't stay out of it. Its there nature. They want to control everything. My position is there should never be any law about natural organic substances. if you want to grow in your own back yard you should be able to do it. But I'm afraid we'll never see that. Too much money to made off of it for it ever to be unregulated.

[gypski]

Except you know they won't stay out of it. Its there nature. They want to control everything. My position is there should never be any law about natural organic substances. if you want to grow in your own back yard you should be able to do it. But I'm afraid we'll never see that. Too much money to made off of it for it ever to be unregulated.

As with the homemaking of wine and beer, people should be allowed to grow a few plants if they wish. I see no problems with that. And tax free too. Its just commercial, etc providers should be monitored to a degree. :smokin:

[sandybarr]

lol

[sandybarr]

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[sandybarr]

lol

[sandybarr]

we know who the coppers are on this website

[killerweed420]

:toilet_claw:

[sandybarr]

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