There is a special place in Hell reserved for the Vatican

[DdC222]

There is a special place in Hell reserved for the Vatican (http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/2009/02/26.html#a3321)
Thursday, February 26, 2009

Oh sure, there were the Crusades, the Inquisition, the destruction of science (Galileo), silence during the Holocaust, coverup of pedophiles, and the direct responsibility for millions of deaths to AIDS due to opposing safe sex practices (particularly in third world countries).

But NO, that's not nearly enough for the Vatican. Surely there's more evil that they can promote, more people they can kill in the name of God the Pope.

Oh yes, how about drug users. Let's kill some of them, too.

You see, the United States finally, finally, finally, came to its senses and the Obama administration sent a new message (http://www.theworld.org/node/24391) through its representatives to the United Nations that at least needle exchange as a harm reduction approach would be accepted. While that was not nearly all that was needed, it was at least an opening, and even the most rabid global drug warriors agreed that needle exchange was now a sure thing to be included in the new global drug policy.

But then, guess who intercedes? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/27/vatican-un-drugs-policy)

The Vatican has been accused of putting the lives of thousands at risk by attempting to influence UN drugs policy on the eve of a major international declaration.

The Vatican's objection to "harm reduction" strategies, such as needle exchange schemes, has ignited a fierce debate between the US and the EU over how drugs should be tackled.

A new UN declaration of intent is due to be signed in Vienna on 11 March. However, there are major disagreements between member countries over whether a commitment to "harm reduction" should be included in the document, which is published every 10 years.

Now the Vatican has issued a statement that claims that using drugs is "anti-life" and "so-called harm reduction leads to liberalisation of the use of drugs". The Vatican's last-minute intervention appears to have led to Italy withdrawing from the EU consensus on the issue and thrown the talks over the declaration into confusion. [Guardian, UK]

Now, just to be clear, is there any doubt as to the actual truth? No. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/aids/past/needle.html)

Seven federally funded studies during the 1990s, conducted by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), the CDC and the National Academy of Sciences among others, all reached similar conclusions that NEPs work in reducing HIV's spread among IV drug users, their partners and children, and that they do not encourage increased drug use. Furthermore, a more recent study by the World Health Organization compiled the results of over 200 such reports from around the world and came to the same conclusions. [emphasis added]

The Vatican knows this, and yet they oppose needle exchange. Dr. William Martin, Professor Emeritus of Religion and Public Policy at Rice University says: (http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/scienceandreligion/147/needle_exchange_gets_religion)

When the science is clear, when we know that something will help save lives and choose not to do it that is not only pigheaded, it is immoral.

There is no doubt that the Vatican is immoral.

I am no stranger to spirituality. I was raised in church (my father is a minister). But religion does not own, beget, nor bestow morality. And some of the most moral people I've known are atheists.

In fact, when a group of people claim to be the holders of religious truth and use that ill-gotten power for destruction rather than for the good of the people, then they are terrorists, whether they reside in caves in Pakistan, or high in the Holy See.

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1814

http://i34.tinypic.com/13yqnw1.jpg

Its in Rome,
Fascist Homeland's Largest Corporation is doing Fascist things? Will blunders ever cease? I thought all the druggies fell off the flat earth? Seems the people are finding God without the Priests and ti-things. Tax dodgers not paying for the poverty. Aborting babies spraying cotton with poisons not used on Hemp or Ganja. Oil wars vs Bio mass and diesel, plastic from carbohydrates same as hydrocarbon fossil fools. Starving babies and illegal food. Addiction is a sin and the dying shouldn't grin. What would the kids think of the message? This is your egg... This is your egg splattered in a frying pan...
Any Questions? Don't ask...

O.N.D.C.Pope - Cannabis Culture Forums (http://tinyurl.com/ONDCPope)

Cathoholics are just at it longer. All religion is the opiate of the masses. Pat Robotson or Jerry Fallswell or the hundreds of other over zealous idiots. Reefer mad loonies or religious judges and rehabs are all in conflict with the Constitution. All dependent on the corporate sponsor or willing widows mite. Racist Southern Baptists or Jim Jones wingnuts. Most lil old ladies sending their SS checks, having their goiters removed via satellite and the Fortune 700 Club. Ancient Temple Hashish Incense! Did Jesus Inhale? 20 million arrested for possession, inhaling or not. Once again I find myself in agreement with the stoner Forefathers. - DdC

WomansWackyVengeanceUnion (http://tinyurl.com/WomansWackyVengeanceUnion)

"The United States is in no way founded upon the Christian religion"
-- George Washington & John Adams,
in a diplomatic message to Malta.

Demonizing Religionists (http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showthreaded&Number=1404349#Post1404349)

"This would be the best of all possible worlds,
if there were no religion in it."
-- John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

Witch hunts and the war on weed (http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2309.html) 20 Jun, 2002
The persecution of "witches" was really a war on sacred plants that continues today.

"The Bible is not my book,
and Christianity is not my religion.
I could never give assent to the long,
complicated statements of Christian dogma."
-- Abraham Lincoln

Christian Extremism and Terrorism In History (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110)

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
-- Thomas Jefferson

http://i42.tinypic.com/30su97k.jpg

Teddy Kennedy's Cannabis Brain Tumor Cure (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1198)
Teddy Kennedy and The Ultimate Tragedy of Liberalism.
His Brain Tumor Is of the Type That Cannabis Might Cure.
Suppressed Research May Claim Another Drug War Victim.
Posted by Richard Cowan on 2008-05-20 16:20:00

Faith-Based Rehabilitation (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=541)

'Relax Your Muscles as Much as Possible' (http://tinyurl.com/JustRelaxYourMuscles)

"In some districts, inhabited by Latin Americans, Filipinos, Spaniards and Negroes, half the violent crimes are attributed to marijuana craze. Dr. Lee Rice of San Antonio reports that eighty per cent of all the murders committed by Mexicans are done while the killers are drugged by marijuana."
The Christian Century (newspaper) - 1938

Souder-Higher-Ed-Ax (http://tinyurl.com/Souder-Higher-Ed-Ax)

"Neither the trappings of robes, nor temples of stone, nor a fixed liturgy, nor an extensive literature or history is required to meet the test of beliefs cognizable under the Constitution as religious. So far as our law is concerned, one person's religious beliefs held for one day are presumptively entitled to the same protection as the beliefs of millions which have been shared for thousands of years."
-- Judge Jack Weinstein, New York State, 1977

http://i42.tinypic.com/wqo7sy.jpg

[Dutch Pimp]

:D...

[painretreat]

Hey Dutch thanks for the chuckle!! can't rep it to you!!:thumbsup:

[leadmagnet]

:D...

I think you are the king of the gifs around here. I can't keep my eyes off those tits.

[Dutch Pimp]

I wanted these...but they wouldn't fit...:D

[killerweed420]

Praise the lord, kill the sinners:D

[moshmonkey]

the direct responsibility for millions of deaths to AIDS due to opposing safe sex practices (particularly in third world countries).


thats retarded, the catholic church preaches chastity, if people decide not to follow that and have sex protected or not its their own responsibilty, blaming the church for that is like blaming the drug dealer for someone taking drugs.

[Doobee]

Such diarrhea out of the mouth of a blind, lost soul of a bigot.

Your hate for God is clear.

I'm not a Catholic nor do I subcribe to the fakes who troll for dollars in the name of Jesus Christ.

But I am a born again Christian who does have the Truth and the Truth will set you free.

While I could not give a rat's ass for your approval or insults...I do take it seriously when the likes of you come along and spew lies and hate, all the while feeling soooo superior and display such arrogance as to claim God is a lie.

Wallar in your misery all you wish bigot.

You are known for the company you keep and the enemies you make....stench and all.



There is a special place in Hell reserved for the Vatican (http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/2009/02/26.html#a3321)
Thursday, February 26, 2009

Oh sure, there were the Crusades, the Inquisition, the destruction of science (Galileo), silence during the Holocaust, coverup of pedophiles, and the direct responsibility for millions of deaths to AIDS due to opposing safe sex practices (particularly in third world countries).

But NO, that's not nearly enough for the Vatican. Surely there's more evil that they can promote, more people they can kill in the name of God the Pope.

Oh yes, how about drug users. Let's kill some of them, too.

You see, the United States finally, finally, finally, came to its senses and the Obama administration sent a new message (http://www.theworld.org/node/24391) through its representatives to the United Nations that at least needle exchange as a harm reduction approach would be accepted. While that was not nearly all that was needed, it was at least an opening, and even the most rabid global drug warriors agreed that needle exchange was now a sure thing to be included in the new global drug policy.

But then, guess who intercedes? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/27/vatican-un-drugs-policy)

The Vatican has been accused of putting the lives of thousands at risk by attempting to influence UN drugs policy on the eve of a major international declaration.

The Vatican's objection to "harm reduction" strategies, such as needle exchange schemes, has ignited a fierce debate between the US and the EU over how drugs should be tackled.

A new UN declaration of intent is due to be signed in Vienna on 11 March. However, there are major disagreements between member countries over whether a commitment to "harm reduction" should be included in the document, which is published every 10 years.

Now the Vatican has issued a statement that claims that using drugs is "anti-life" and "so-called harm reduction leads to liberalisation of the use of drugs". The Vatican's last-minute intervention appears to have led to Italy withdrawing from the EU consensus on the issue and thrown the talks over the declaration into confusion. [Guardian, UK]

Now, just to be clear, is there any doubt as to the actual truth? No. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/aids/past/needle.html)

Seven federally funded studies during the 1990s, conducted by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), the CDC and the National Academy of Sciences among others, all reached similar conclusions that NEPs work in reducing HIV's spread among IV drug users, their partners and children, and that they do not encourage increased drug use. Furthermore, a more recent study by the World Health Organization compiled the results of over 200 such reports from around the world and came to the same conclusions. [emphasis added]

The Vatican knows this, and yet they oppose needle exchange. Dr. William Martin, Professor Emeritus of Religion and Public Policy at Rice University says: (http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/scienceandreligion/147/needle_exchange_gets_religion)

When the science is clear, when we know that something will help save lives and choose not to do it that is not only pigheaded, it is immoral.

There is no doubt that the Vatican is immoral.

I am no stranger to spirituality. I was raised in church (my father is a minister). But religion does not own, beget, nor bestow morality. And some of the most moral people I've known are atheists.

In fact, when a group of people claim to be the holders of religious truth and use that ill-gotten power for destruction rather than for the good of the people, then they are terrorists, whether they reside in caves in Pakistan, or high in the Holy See.

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1814

http://i34.tinypic.com/13yqnw1.jpg

Its in Rome,
Fascist Homeland's Largest Corporation is doing Fascist things? Will blunders ever cease? I thought all the druggies fell off the flat earth? Seems the people are finding God without the Priests and ti-things. Tax dodgers not paying for the poverty. Aborting babies spraying cotton with poisons not used on Hemp or Ganja. Oil wars vs Bio mass and diesel, plastic from carbohydrates same as hydrocarbon fossil fools. Starving babies and illegal food. Addiction is a sin and the dying shouldn't grin. What would the kids think of the message? This is your egg... This is your egg splattered in a frying pan...
Any Questions? Don't ask...

O.N.D.C.Pope - Cannabis Culture Forums (http://tinyurl.com/ONDCPope)

Cathoholics are just at it longer. All religion is the opiate of the masses. Pat Robotson or Jerry Fallswell or the hundreds of other over zealous idiots. Reefer mad loonies or religious judges and rehabs are all in conflict with the Constitution. All dependent on the corporate sponsor or willing widows mite. Racist Southern Baptists or Jim Jones wingnuts. Most lil old ladies sending their SS checks, having their goiters removed via satellite and the Fortune 700 Club. Ancient Temple Hashish Incense! Did Jesus Inhale? 20 million arrested for possession, inhaling or not. Once again I find myself in agreement with the stoner Forefathers. - DdC

WomansWackyVengeanceUnion (http://tinyurl.com/WomansWackyVengeanceUnion)

"The United States is in no way founded upon the Christian religion"
-- George Washington & John Adams,
in a diplomatic message to Malta.

Demonizing Religionists (http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showthreaded&Number=1404349#Post1404349)

"This would be the best of all possible worlds,
if there were no religion in it."
-- John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

Witch hunts and the war on weed (http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2309.html) 20 Jun, 2002
The persecution of "witches" was really a war on sacred plants that continues today.

"The Bible is not my book,
and Christianity is not my religion.
I could never give assent to the long,
complicated statements of Christian dogma."
-- Abraham Lincoln

Christian Extremism and Terrorism In History (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110)

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
-- Thomas Jefferson

http://i42.tinypic.com/30su97k.jpg

Teddy Kennedy's Cannabis Brain Tumor Cure (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1198)
Teddy Kennedy and The Ultimate Tragedy of Liberalism.
His Brain Tumor Is of the Type That Cannabis Might Cure.
Suppressed Research May Claim Another Drug War Victim.
Posted by Richard Cowan on 2008-05-20 16:20:00

Faith-Based Rehabilitation (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=541)

'Relax Your Muscles as Much as Possible' (http://tinyurl.com/JustRelaxYourMuscles)

"In some districts, inhabited by Latin Americans, Filipinos, Spaniards and Negroes, half the violent crimes are attributed to marijuana craze. Dr. Lee Rice of San Antonio reports that eighty per cent of all the murders committed by Mexicans are done while the killers are drugged by marijuana."
The Christian Century (newspaper) - 1938

Souder-Higher-Ed-Ax (http://tinyurl.com/Souder-Higher-Ed-Ax)

"Neither the trappings of robes, nor temples of stone, nor a fixed liturgy, nor an extensive literature or history is required to meet the test of beliefs cognizable under the Constitution as religious. So far as our law is concerned, one person's religious beliefs held for one day are presumptively entitled to the same protection as the beliefs of millions which have been shared for thousands of years."
-- Judge Jack Weinstein, New York State, 1977

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[DdC222]

1. you sir are a moron.
2. I didn't write it so spew your dribble there.
3. Religion is of humans, God has no respect for humans,
and even less for moron liars passing false judgements.
If you have nothing to say then why embarrass yourself when I take this to antiDARE class the kids laugh at you and your rusty butt buddy. You offer no alternative or even a decent argument. Why throw away what little reputation you have left? Oh I answered that, you sir are a moron.

Big Bucks in forced Faith-Based Rehabilitation
Drug WarRant :: View topic - Faith-Based Rehabilitation (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=541)

Is anybody surprised that a White house ruled by the likes of Karl Rove and Dick Cheney would engage in manipulation of religionâ??or anything else? I recall the reflections of the first head of the faith-based program office, John Dilulio, who left after six months, and later cited the disconnects between the White House's faith-based office and the domestic policy advisors, referring to them as â??Mayberry Machiavellians.â?�

(Guv W) Bush. Religious drug treatment in Texas by Hanna Rosin
US TX: George W Bush: The Record In Texas (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00/n602/a01.html)
CORPUS CHRISTI, Tex. 05 May 2000

Over the door of one church-based drug treatment center in Houston, a sign printed in foot-high letters announces: "Drug Addiction Is NOT a Disease. It's a Sin." At another, clients pass by a poster of an addict in a hospital bed, ripping IV tubes out of his arms and throwing his pills in the garbage. An angel hovers nearby, offering her protection from this plague of prescriptions.

And at a Christian young adult home in Corpus Christi, police recently took the unusual step of arresting a supervisor after teenagers complained that they were beaten and roped to a bed, all in the name of Christian discipline. More arrests are anticipated, authorities say.

These are some of the results--expected and unexpected--of Gov. George W. Bush's "bold new experiment in welfare reform." With his conviction that religious groups can transform lives in ways government can't, Bush sponsored laws in 1997 that allow churches to provide social services their own way, outside the intrusive glare of the state.

The new laws exempted faith-based drug treatment programs from all state health and safety regulations followed by their secular counterparts, a list contained in a rule book as thick as a Russian novel that covers every detail from fire detectors to frayed carpets. Counselors in religious treatment programs now may skip the criminal background checks and hundreds of hours of training required of their state-licensed peers.

Faith-based groups that provide child care or operate homes for troubled youths can opt out of state inspections and choose to be regulated by a Christian child care agency approved by the state.

Since their inception, the new rules have been criticized by traditional caretakers, who worry that Bush has placed too little emphasis on holding religious groups accountable, and too much on the notion that faith alone can heal addiction and delinquency--despite decades of research to the contrary.

Knowing this, they then select it as puppet president?
I wonder if Americans even want freedom sometimes.
Seem awful eager to give it away... To support the prez.

Plagued by Moral Relativism
Drug WarRant :: View topic - Plagued by Moral Relativism (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=538)

We spent the 4th firing off doobies! Oooo pretty one.

These warped ONDCP and state somedrug Czars are not Americans.
They're Fascists. As soon as we deal with it, Ganja won't be outlawed and plea bargain forced treatment will be listed as kidnapping and psychological rape.

Instead of polluting the air with gunsmoke and wasting fossil fools choices finding a parking space with tens of millions of other crude oil plastic flag spastics. Write a very concerned letter to your idiot in office.

Treatment is expensive or profitable depending on what side of the issue you stand. Disease, contrary to Walters and Bush... Is not from sin. Addiction is a disease. Walters Bush are from sin. Their sin acumulated enough evil to create D.E.A.th to hover over head,
keeping us silent and in darkness.

[socialistpete]

While I could not give a rat's ass for your approval or insults...I do take it seriously when the likes of you come along and spew lies and hate, all the while feeling soooo superior and display such arrogance as to claim God is a lie.

.

How about you do us a favor and prove god exists, or at least show us where in secular history there is even more than a mention of Jesus Christ. Because there aren't any that's why, he is only mentioned by one historian through out time and he is a proven unreliable source. The only other talk of Jesus is from your beloved book that a bunch of ruling men put together, not some great power from above.

[GotWake88]

Such diarrhea out of the mouth of a blind, lost soul of a bigot.

Your hate for God is clear.

I'm not a Catholic nor do I subcribe to the fakes who troll for dollars in the name of Jesus Christ.

But I am a born again Christian who does have the Truth and the Truth will set you free.

While I could not give a rat's ass for your approval or insults...I do take it seriously when the likes of you come along and spew lies and hate, all the while feeling soooo superior and display such arrogance as to claim God is a lie.

Wallar in your misery all you wish bigot.

You are known for the company you keep and the enemies you make....stench and all.

Wow, man. Did you even read anything past the title?

I love how some born again christians pull the same tired line out of their ass, shake it dry of crisco, and wallow in their arrogance; "Well, I done reckon I know the TRUTH. Y'all just won't be able to understand the truth... I used to be like you, then I found the way, now I know the truth. I'm so FREAKING awesome because I can say the words 'I, stateyourname, accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior'."

Advice, (with a hunch you won't take it) first off, read beyond the title before you attack somebody for something that didn't have much to do with the subject(this isn't about science versus santa).
Second, avoid blatantly looking like a dick by calling somebody a bigoted liar for opposing an action of the Catholic Church, a beaurocratic institution that in this case, is taking a very questionable side to an argument.

It must feel good to know and understand the ultimate truth of the universe, though. Congrats on that.

[overgrowthegovt]

Whatever Truth is, no religious text or institution has come remotely close to finding it.

This is indeed a disgrace, that in the name of kneejerk moralism they can endanger peoples' lives. You'd think God would want them to save lives, but apparently it's better to let the sinners die.

While I certainly don't think hard drug use/addiction is a "sin" (not sure if I believe in the concept in the traditional way), I don't think it's strictly a disease either. To call it a disease implies somehow that it's not the person's fault, while you and only you stick in the needle or raise the bottle to your lips. But of course, it's comfier to be "powerless".

[FlyGuyOU]

am i the only one who finds it suprising that a born-again in one canndot? i had to sit next to one on a plane and he was all 'your body is a wonderland' and treating it with a temple and whatnot

[moshmonkey]

How about you do us a favor and prove god exists

you can't, its called faith, you either have it or you don't, you either get the feeling or you don't, i pity those who don't but i don't look down or consider them any different, unlike EVERY athiest i have ever met.

[Doobee]

How any one particular and disrespectful diarrhea mouth can talk sooo much and say absolutely nothing is beyond any sincere thinking mind.

For real...you've not the grapes on the vine to speak with such a foul, hate filled bigoted mouth to anyone's face as you do tucked behind your screen as you love to do.

Give pause a moment and try a real intelligent thought for a rare change.

All for your lack to succeed in life no matter the arena, you vomit diarrhea from your mouth like it was sweet brown candy your boyfriend shoved down your throat.

Hopefully your whatever ability to breed has been ''fixed'' long by now.

[Doobee]

You might want to develop some comprehension skills before you feebly try and take on such a chore as ranting soured advice.

Without it, you will always be seen as the fool you are as soon as you open that crap chute on your face.

Sincerely so, in your dire circumstance, it would best be applied if you shut up and left some doubt rather than speak a broken sentence, thus removing all doubt.




Wow, man. Did you even read anything past the title?

I love how some born again christians pull the same tired line out of their ass, shake it dry of crisco, and wallow in their arrogance; "Well, I done reckon I know the TRUTH. Y'all just won't be able to understand the truth... I used to be like you, then I found the way, now I know the truth. I'm so FREAKING awesome because I can say the words 'I, stateyourname, accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior'."

Advice, (with a hunch you won't take it) first off, read beyond the title before you attack somebody for something that didn't have much to do with the subject(this isn't about science versus santa).
Second, avoid blatantly looking like a dick by calling somebody a bigoted liar for opposing an action of the Catholic Church, a beaurocratic institution that in this case, is taking a very questionable side to an argument.

It must feel good to know and understand the ultimate truth of the universe, though. Congrats on that.

[MaryJaneMonkey]

It really doesn't bother me what diahrea came out of who's mouth, nothing makes me cringe more than when said born-agains utter their favorite words about accepting Superman, Spiderman or whatever thicker book character as their savior. At that point in any conversation, its best to just walk away, as all reason and logic has left the room...at least in MY experience.
Are all born-agains illogical, no, most that I have met, yes.
:thumbsup:

[Doobee]

Such hate filled bigotry from yet one more lost soul who parrots the atheist chant.

Monkey hear monkey say.

Gos loves you enough anyway and gave His only begotten Son so that even you can have everlasting Life.

A gift with the price already paid.

All you and yours can do is reject such a gift out of blind hate and ignorance.

Shame but then so it is and goes.

Not to fret however.

I'll not toss pearls before swine so off ya go now.

[overgrowthegovt]

I'm not an atheist, but nor do I believe one word of any religious text ever written. All people are not easily classified into the faithful and the atheistic....I definitely believe in something, but I'd prefer to revel in its ambiguity rather than try to define in it human terms, to classify what is beyond our comprehension, as the born-agains try to do.

I'll take the inevitable rebuttal involving bigotry and the diarrhea that comes out of my mouth in good grace, and say simply and gently that if you want a connection with the divine I think you're going about it in an overly simplified and probably spiritually harmful way. Organized religion is pseudo-spirituality designed to give the masses a fast and easy label for the deepest and most arcane secrets of existence--giving them reign to ponder them for themselves could be problematic. Come on, give it to me....can't say I use broken sentences, though.

[DdC222]

Gos loves everything Don't Bee... Isn't that blasphemy for you to misspell God? I know its functionally illiterate. Just the way Popeman loves it, wishes the bible would go back to Latin, then he could splain it so questions are minimalized. All his blind obedient grunts won't get confused. Monks fermenting vino outlawing competition from Ganja. Novettes sniffing hashish incense finding God without Priests, oh my. I think religionists and atheists are arrogant for drawing conclusions. Science hasn't started researching sub atomic universes. Could splain lots of mythology hurled on the public. Hypocrites like Don't Bee have no problem with their cult kissing rattlesnakes, killing 100 citizens. Legal in West Virginia while Cultivation, delivery or sale of Ganja is punishable by 1 - 5 years in prison and a fine up to $15,000. The 100 dead from rattlesnake poison obviously were back sliding bigot sinners. Lost souls who parrots the religionists chant. Monkey see monkey do.

The Government of the United States of America (http://nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm)
is not, in any sense founded on the Christian religion.

I'm always happy to see writers identify this cultural "soil" in which the very idea of Prohibition finds it so easy to grow in.

A couple of details for those interested:

1. God (the state) prohibits a fruit and threatens his underlings (Adam & Eve) with severe punishment.

2. The prohibitions fails, but somehow it doesn't reflect badly on God, because he makes it out to be Adam & Eve's own fault due to something called "Sin".

3. The failure is brought on by Adam and Eve who both eat the entheogenic fruit from the Tree of Knowledge. In doing so they are granted the knowledge of the Gods. Clearly the fruit is a hallucinogen that empowers ordinary humans, something that allows them to partake directly and without interference in something larger than themselves. Not only didn't God like this, but the Church has ever since monopolized everything "spiritual" because they mimic this myth.

4. Even the modern "pusher" or "drug distributor" is in there: the snake, metaphorically representing Evil/Devil/Satan. Because he tempted these "children of God" he is given extraordinary punishment.

5. Today, even if Prohibition fails, it is implicit that to doubt in Prohibition is to doubt the strategies laid out by God himself. Sure, God's Prohibition failed, but as we all know his ways are mysterious and the strategy MUST be right even if we don't get it.

"Basically, what's happing with the whole "drug subject" is that it is interpreted, guided and implemented along the lines of religious, revelation based lines that were more prevalent in medieval times than today. The MORAL story lands us in this realm of decision making (whereas other things less morally tainted, like driving a car, is handled using normal, reasonable approaches)."
-- Jesper Kristensen

Wall street's Spontaneous Abortionists (http://tinyurl.com/pesticideabortionists)
(where's the outrage?)

George Bush: Chapter -XV- CIA DIRECTOR
[url]http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1308 (][/url)

The psychedelic secrets of Santa Claus
by Dana Larsen (18 Dec, 2003)

Modern Christmas traditions are based on ancient mushroom-using shamans.

Although most people see Christmas as a Christian holiday, most of the symbols and icons we associate with Christmas celebrations are actually derived from the shamanistic traditions of the tribal peoples of pre-Christian Northern Europe.

The sacred mushroom of these people was the red and white amanita muscaria mushroom, also known as "fly agaric." These mushrooms are now commonly seen in books of fairy tales, and are usually associated with magic and fairies. This is because they contain potent hallucinogenic compounds, and were used by ancient peoples for insight and transcendental experiences. continued... (http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3136.html)

FURTHER LINKS AND REFERENCES (http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3136.html)

- The Hidden Meanings of Christmas, Mushroms and Mankind, by James Arthur
- Santa Claus & the Amanita Muscaria, by Jimmy Bursenos
- Who put the Fly Agaric into Christmas?,
Seventh International Mycological Congress, December 1999, Fungus of the Month
- The Real Story of Santa, The Spore Print, Los Angeles Mycological Society, December 1998
- Santa and those Reindeer: The Hallucinogenic Connection, The Physics of Christmas, by Roger Highfield
- Fungi, Fairy Rings and Father Christmas, North West Fungus Group, 1998 Presidential Address, by Dr Sean Edwards
- Fly Agaric, Tom Volk's Fungus of the Month for December 1999
- Father Christmas Flies on Toadstools, New Scientist, December 1986
- Psycho-mycological studies of amanita: From ancient sacrament to modern phobia, by Jonathan Ott, Journal of Psychedelic Drugs; 1976
- Santa is a Wildman, LA Times, Jeffrey Vallance

BOOKS WORTH READING

- Mushrooms and Mankind, by James Arthur
- Soma: Divine Mushroom of Immortality, by Gordon Wasson
- Mushrooms, Poisons and Panaceas, by Denis R. Benjamin

The True Spirits of an Old-Time Christmas (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1152) 01/01/02

Wantonness, Misrule and Chambering

Well, of course they had a good time during those wonderful nostalgic Christmases of the Good Old Days! Dressing up in the opposite sexes clothes, or some other uproarious costume, drowning in a steady flow of booze, and empowered by the anonymity and safety of unsanctioned public holiday gatherings!

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This has been a public service announcement... (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4075#4075)

THE Jefferson Bible (http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible)
The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth
Extracted Textually from the Gospels
Compiled by Thomas Jefferson
Edited by Eyler Robert Coates, Sr.

"Neither the trappings of robes, nor temples of stone, nor a fixed liturgy, nor an extensive literature or history is required to meet the test of beliefs cognizable under the Constitution as religious. So far as our law is concerned, one person's religious beliefs held for one day are presumptively entitled to the same protection as the beliefs of millions which have been shared for thousands of years."
-- Judge Jack Weinstein, New York State, 1977

THE PSYCHEDELICS AND RELIGION (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1200)

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
-- Thomas Jefferson

US Supreme Court Allows Religious Hallucinogenic Tea (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40&highlight=religion)

"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens,
nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
-- George Bush

U.S. vs Boyll Native American Church (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1197)

Faith-Based Rehabilitation (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=541&highlight=religion)

Christian Extremism and Terrorism In History (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110&highlight=religion)

Demonizing Drugs (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=233&highlight=religion)

This has been a public fucking service announcement (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1215)

Womanâ??s Christian Vengeance Union (http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=163348&Number=1409474#Post1409474)

George Carlin R.I.P. (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1211)

Khristzion Ganjawar Junkies

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
-- Mahatma Gandhi

Do Drugs Have Religious Import? (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1201)

On Indications of the Hachish-Vice in the OT (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1203)

What Would Jesus Do About Dope? (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1206)

Stamp Out Emily Murphy (racist, prohibitionist) Campaign (http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8960&sid=5c11d7ebaf019b8cee481beb20f91287)

Prohibition vs. Christianity (http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/pdf/Pro%20vs%20Christianity.pdf)
(The North American Review, 1918)

"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
-- John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson

Cannabis and Divinity (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1161)

"In some districts, inhabited by Latin Americans, Filipinos, Spaniards and Negroes, half the violent crimes are attributed to marijuana craze. Dr. Lee Rice of San Antonio reports that eighty per cent of all the murders committed by Mexicans are done while the killers are drugged by marijuana."
The Christian Century (newspaper) - 1938

Ancient Temple Hashish Incense! Did Jesus Inhale? (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1090)

Cannabis and the Old Testament (http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/mayjune96/kanehbosm.html)

"The United States is in no way founded upon the Christian religion."
-- George Washington & John Adams, in a diplomatic message to Malta

Cannabis Culture Archives: Sacrament (http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/dbarticles.cgi?head=SACRAMENT)

"When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. `What do you mean?' the media challenged me. `You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?' My simple answer is, `Yes, they are.'"
-from Pat Robertson's "The New World Order," page 218

Bong Hits 4 Jesus (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=352&highlight=religion)

The Dark side of Old Time Radio (http://reefermadnessmuseum.org/otr/Written.htm)
Examining the facts behind the conspiracy

Pot Church Takes a Hit (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=244)

We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow those who pervert the Constitution.
-Abraham Lincoln

[frostymcfailure]

the vatican is said to be the most unholy spot on earth. Occult symbolism is in every inch of that thing; open your eyes!

[ArgoSG]

Can we as citizens of supposed democracies, cut the bullshit finally? Can we finally call a spade a spade and admit that our discourse on our barbaric drug policies is going nowhere, and ensures the suffering of human beings at the delight of the country's religious, who think they sit confidently at the highest slopes of human morality?

The same old argument gets rehashed. There is no good reason to criminalize marijuana. The only thing stopping you from being free, are idiots who hold onto taboos, and the sheople public, including politicians, who are afraid of the large group of idiots who hold onto taboos. Why the -hell- are there people who have missing limbs, a form of suffering on earth few of us get the displeasure to experience, in prison for smoking a plant? How -insane- is this? Change this -now- and get angry about it.

[socialistpete]

I had a vision from god last night and it has changed my life, oh wait..................... that was a dream, strike me down with lightning now, I'm waiting!!!!!!!:D

[bubbleboy]

So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
And upon her forehead was a name written , MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.