I hope they don't completely legalize.

[Medicaldelivery]

And I'll tell you why...

Look at alcohol for example, it's true that alcohol is legal and everyone that wants to be in the alcohol business can, if they have the money for the license and certifications and all the bullshit that comes with it to allow people to sell alcohol legally.

It is extremely difficult to make alcohol and sell without a license. And the license to sell alcohol costs $35,000 and there is a 6 month waiting list, unless you have the money to by a ready made business that already has an alcohol selling license. In which case you're looking at $50K and up. So, it's pretty difficult and costly.

If they completely legalize bud, we as caregivers and dispensaries will have a tough time getting qualified and finding the necessary funds. They will, I'm sure, make cannibis cards difficult to get, just like the alcohol licenses.

I hope it stays the same as is, we are able to grow, supply and smoke without all these fees and stay legal. Especially in LA where cops don't even wanna fuck with bud, cause they got serious problems. And you can even get your bud delivered to your door, click here (http://la420delivery.bizmancenter.info/).:rastasmoke:

What do you think?

[the image reaper]

you have some legitimate points, there's a lot more than dollars involved, when analyzing government taxes (taxes bring with them, CONTROLS) ...

[killerweed420]

Me being a libertarian I'm against every federal legislation thet doesn't have something to do with national defense or foreign policy. So for me all these laws are clearly unconstitional at the federal level. But that doesn't mean the states couldn't take control of these matters. My personal belief is that any citizen of the US should be able to do what ever they want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. Brewing your own booze and growing MJ clearly fall under this category. Nobody's goddamn business.

[jkalb42]

I think medicaldelivery has good point, but I'd like it to be at least a little bit more legal in Texas lol, the laws here are god-awful.

[Markass]

And I'll tell you why...

Look at alcohol for example, it's true that alcohol is legal and everyone that wants to be in the alcohol business can, if they have the money for the license and certifications and all the bullshit that comes with it to allow people to sell alcohol legally.

It is extremely difficult to make alcohol and sell without a license. And the license to sell alcohol costs $35,000 and there is a 6 month waiting list, unless you have the money to by a ready made business that already has an alcohol selling license. In which case you're looking at $50K and up. So, it's pretty difficult and costly.

If they completely legalize bud, we as caregivers and dispensaries will have a tough time getting qualified and finding the necessary funds. They will, I'm sure, make cannibis cards difficult to get, just like the alcohol licenses.

I hope it stays the same as is, we are able to grow, supply and smoke without all these fees and stay legal. Especially in LA where cops don't even wanna fuck with bud, cause they got serious problems. And you can even get your bud delivered to your door, click here (http://la420delivery.bizmancenter.info/).:rastasmoke:

What do you think?


I will bet you $1.00 that medical regulation is going to be completely separate and different than retail marijuana sale..There would be outrage if they made it any more difficult than it already is to obtain pot or ID cards for medical purpose..

[jkalb42]

I think that maybe laws are slow to develop because the government hasn't devised the optimal plan for taxation and regulation. I would suppose that if theyre gonna do it, they want as much cash as they can get from it.

[hedgehog]

From what I've read, the bill in the CA state assembly does allow medical exceptions. I, however, would like to see marijuana regulated under a similar regime as alcohol. Commercial producers and retailers would have to be liscensed. This liscense should be difficult to obtain and easy to lose. Much like home-brewers and wine makers, there would be a legal limit on home production.

I can actually imagine a marijuana industry operating more like the wine industry with a huge number of "brands" available.

For medical needs, the separate caregiver system would remain in place.

[jkalb42]

i can see that, and i can see how the regulation might help quality and stuff. i was thinking though, that they may regulate potency as well. what do you think?

[hedgehog]

i can see that, and i can see how the regulation might help quality and stuff. i was thinking though, that they may regulate potency as well. what do you think?

Maybe something along the lines as different levels of taxation based on the beer, wine and liquor model.

Vast plots of land more the production of schwag for pre-rolled J's would be taxed like beer.

Bud grown for the connoisseur would taxed like wine.

Hash and extracts are taxed like liquor.

[jkalb42]

That would make sense. Thanks for that. How much higher of a tax do you think they would put on it? Percentage-wise i suppose, because the "sin" tax on that I have no doubt would be much greater than alcohol.

[Breukelen advocaat]

After legalization, I would hope that we bring back, and put a tariff on, the great imported varieties of weed and hash.

Imports would be much cheaper, but for those that still want to grow their own, or buy domestically grown stuff, that's fine also.

[415plus5]

^ yea smoke crazy shit from all over the world!

[DrGreenBud]

I saw legalize it because the taxes from it would be outstanding. But also let the people that have dispensaries keep them and only pay a small fee to turn it into a shop.

If you have your own growing then just keep it under wraps.

--- Your Welcome ---
:baggy:

[boaz]

And I'll tell you why...

Look at alcohol for example, it's true that alcohol is legal and everyone that wants to be in the alcohol business can, if they have the money for the license and certifications and all the bullshit that comes with it to allow people to sell alcohol legally.

It is extremely difficult to make alcohol and sell without a license. And the license to sell alcohol costs $35,000 and there is a 6 month waiting list, unless you have the money to by a ready made business that already has an alcohol selling license. In which case you're looking at $50K and up. So, it's pretty difficult and costly.

If they completely legalize bud, we as caregivers and dispensaries will have a tough time getting qualified and finding the necessary funds. They will, I'm sure, make cannibis cards difficult to get, just like the alcohol licenses.

I hope it stays the same as is, we are able to grow, supply and smoke without all these fees and stay legal. Especially in LA where cops don't even wanna fuck with bud, cause they got serious problems. And you can even get your bud delivered to your door, click here (http://la420delivery.bizmancenter.info/).:rastasmoke:

What do you think?

thank you, I knew there had to be someone out there in California who felt this way. Very valid points, imo. I moved out of L.A. the year before 215 (oops :stoned:) but I've wondered how things are now. Having quality bud delivered has just got to be the best thing ever. :cool:

215 seems to be working out fairly well for the consumer, why f it up, eh?

"AB 390 would charge cannabis wholesalers $5,000 initially and $2,500 annually for the right to distribute weed. Retail outlets would pay fees of $50 per ounce of cannabis to generate revenue for drug education programs statewide."

^ this does seem to put all the costs on the backs of the dispensaries. the theory is the price would drop below the added costs of the taxes but I'm not sure how that would work. are the growers and dispensaries really gaining any value for this cost? The feds could still bust them, maybe even more so.

I think I like Jack Herer's proposed inititive better. It (http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1492687&fpart=1)only taxes cannabis euphoric products and not medical products and at a lower rate. Plus this initiatives provides the added bonus of shredding all cannabis related criminal records and legalization of hemp.

1. License concessionary establishments to distribute cannabis hemp euphoric products in a manner analogous to California's wine industry model. Sufficient community outlets shall be licensed to provide reasonable commercial access to persons of legal age, so as to discourage and prevent the misuse of, and illicit traffic in, such products. Any license or permit fee required by the State for commercial production, distribution or use shall not exceed $1,000.00.


2. Place an excise tax on commercial sale of cannabis hemp euphoric products, analogous to California's wine industry model, so long as no excise tax or combination of excise taxes shall exceed $10.00 per ounce.

[leadmagnet]

What not just tax cannabis farmers like we tax any other kind of farmer?

[painretreat]

Medicaldelivery. What do you pay for a license now? Somehow, I just flashed on a "Domino's Pizza" type of service for 30 min or less or free cannabis! lol...
Prescriptions were delivered at one time and some Pharmacies still deliver. Is it going to be treated like liquor, milk, pizza, gas or bic lighters? The million dollar question. Can you take it across U.S. Customs? Will the borders open up? This has far reaching tenacles! I see as mostly beneficial to the economic and eco systems in America and abroad!

If you pay 35K for a license, is that safe to stay out of jail and lose everything?? I think so!! Who is making the bucks right now?? $30. plus or minus for a gram? You get legal store fronts and business increase's. You will sell more products, not just cannabis. Clones, candy, paraphanellia and growing equipment. This may be a golden opportunity for the businessman! Perhaps, even take over the empty Circuit City stores and start growing right where you are selling? You'll figure a way to pay for the license and turn a big profit. Even if you have to do like Wal-Mart and farm it in China with Chinese workers at $2.00 a day! So, where is the problem? Prepare now.

A liquor license: 35K or buy a used one or pay a minimal fee for Liquor lottory way of getting the license-you forgot to mention that,which is how most individuals get their liquor license-no shortcuts for the poor man?

The dispensaries and Co's will be the new automobile factory for Calif. We are letting criminals out for drug crimes already. We will have fewer prisoners, etc. Legalization would solve a lot of problems. But, we need hemp farmers and put it to use for fuel, clothing, etc.

This ought to be FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZED AND LEGALIZED! No homegrown restrictions! Compassionate not for profit clubs for patients. We will be happier as a whole nation with lots of sativa and be too happy to complain about our taxes and poorer living situations.

The farmer, grower, patient and consumer will get fucked! Because the businessman has to turn a profit or close and Calif needs its' budget balanced, they will help you, just like the crooks on Wall Street. Now, I am not saying you are crooks-so do not assume that. We know there is a profit. You may not drive a Rolls, but you will have a job and make a decent legal living and not a killing! Or live in fear of jail!!

Nationally-it could solve our eco system and so many things! It won't solve everything. We'll always have problems. They won't seem so devastating with a more mean people on cannabis- U.S.A. Regardless, there are many that will not touch it. I don't drink , smoke or even drink soda pop! I use cannabis as a medication and when I need it. Rarely for pleasure! However, the days of bonding in a circle with a lighter and bong may be things from the 'olden days!' I'll miss that! It isn't like you invite a bunch of people over and pass around a bar of gold and saw for everyone to take a piece. Cannabis will create different problems and hemp for fuel, clothing, etc. would employ more and solve a lot of problems!

Prop 215/420 are still screwed up. You really think they can get this correct!

Face it, this is a divided nation. The election may have been clear and concise, but certainly no landslide! It has to be National. People in CA will be paying more taxes if they pay for it on cannabis and no other state is, or people cannot get it legally! Civil rights for all and now! PR

[painretreat]

What do I think, cute little advertisement: Free Medical marijuana to your door, pay for delivery. However, it costs a few hundred more to deliver an ounce than an eigth! that ain't free or even good math or business! Open your eyes, you have much more potential for making money if it is legalized, decriminalized and hemp can be grown.

People won't have to hide and grow, face it there is a generation of lazy people out there that prefer to purchase ready made everything instead of a little eyebrow sweat!
Others dying to grow. Both doing without right now!

You will sell more than you could possibly dream and a larger line of product and even supply a farmer or two! Breathe better air, etc! There is a bigger picture, I think! 2 cents! good thread

[Mississippi Steve]

Maybe something along the lines as different levels of taxation based on the beer, wine and liquor model.

Vast plots of land more the production of schwag for pre-rolled J's would be taxed like beer.

Bud grown for the connoisseur would taxed like wine.

Hash and extracts are taxed like liquor.


you are on the right track... weed needs to be legalized with the same laws, regulations, restrictions, and taxes as alcohol..... including minimum age restrictions. The alcohol laws also allow individuals to brew, ferment, distill small amounts for personal use. How kewl would it be to be able to go down to the liquer store, tobacconist,(or weed store) and buy a pack of joints for $20. The quality of the different brands could range from shake from schwag to premium bud like NCDG or Ultra Haze.....priced accordingly like cigars.

Nahhh.....never happen, there is too much money to be made in taxes from it, and the bulls wouldn't have anything to do.

[LOC NAR on probation]

And I'll tell you why...

Look at alcohol for example, it's true that alcohol is legal and everyone that wants to be in the alcohol business can, if they have the money for the license and certifications and all the bullshit that comes with it to allow people to sell alcohol legally.

It is extremely difficult to make alcohol and sell without a license. And the license to sell alcohol costs $35,000 and there is a 6 month waiting list, unless you have the money to by a ready made business that already has an alcohol selling license. In which case you're looking at $50K and up. So, it's pretty difficult and costly.

If they completely legalize bud, we as caregivers and dispensaries will have a tough time getting qualified and finding the necessary funds. They will, I'm sure, make cannibis cards difficult to get, just like the alcohol licenses.

I hope it stays the same as is, we are able to grow, supply and smoke without all these fees and stay legal. Especially in LA where cops don't even wanna fuck with bud, cause they got serious problems. And you can even get your bud delivered to your door, click here (http://la420delivery.bizmancenter.info/).:rastasmoke:

What do you think?

You are greedy Sir and just want all the money for yourself.

If you think you are safe in what you do and take advantage of people that need meds you are in the same bed as the huge Pharmacudical companies.

If you think you are safe, Think again.

Do me a favour and call the fed's to come inspect your operation. Local laws are one thing but I bet you are afraid of the fed's. YES ?

Yes please call the feds and the locals and see if the locals will stand up against the FED's for you. We know what the out come will be.

Meds or recreational. Both are a Constitutional right of freedom and laws must change for everyone. The people must cry out like the likes of GOD has never seen for this to changed.

Ignorance never fails to amaze me.

[Weedhound]

After Loc Nar, I have to put my two cents in as well. I would love to see it legalized, regulated and taxed. And medical, you are just greedy. There wasn't a single word in your post about people's needs or rights.....every single sentence talks about money and mostly about money you want to be yours.

I won't say you're the kind of folks that give mmj a bad name........but you sure don't help our cause any either.

[Lit Up]

Eff this in the A. Medical is a greedy bitch. What's that Medical? Chasing the "American Dream"?

[bobthenuker]

Yes it's all about you...never mind the millions of potential patients that don't live in LA.

[painretreat]

That would make sense. Thanks for that. How much higher of a tax do you think they would put on it? Percentage-wise i suppose, because the "sin" tax on that I have no doubt would be much greater than alcohol.

I am sure the tax will be different-state to state! Like the Bible Belt's extra tax's for sin.

Here in CA we have voted on increasing our gas taxes for the eco system and still pay it--dah, the eco system is now a national effort and we taxed ourselves to hell and back. Every so many years we tack on a dime or, as per the propositiona we passed (sorry folks, I did not vote for that one-due to the far reaching years of added taxes and unknown prices-like now). It was right after we voted it in that gas doubled here and hasn't been below around $1.65 since (and then, that price hasn't been around in 5 yrs).

When we vote, we need to really understand what we vote for. So, when it is a National Freedom, be careful what you vote for when it comes to taxes.

The projected nat'l breakdown of taxes would be interesting. Right now, the bill in Calif, as stated has a proposed tax of $50. per ounce!

I like Hedgehog, as we know our Milk, Cigs, pizza, can of beans and alcohol/wine are taxed differently. In fact, we do pay tax on milk at the grocery store (have for over 40 years or more to my knowledge). Cigs are taxed too much--particularly since it doesn't go into a fund to help the people that are unfortunate to get cancer later.

We must remember, our taxes are going up, in every form. If they legalized and decriminalized, Federally-I'd see it as a shot in the arm for the economy. Plus, I'd like to put all politicians on a great Sativa or at the very least NCDG (some Indica)! Why a great sativa without Indica--I know that a sativa actually stirs up long muscle pain! That is a fact. I've discussed it with a few people with types of pain (would be a new thread) that a strict sativa will make you hurt, if you have injuries! It hurt enough to make me quit for a long time, until I came here and found Indica! :jointsmile:

Sativa to D.C!!!

Maybe instead of mailing letters we should be sending an annoymous eigth to our representatives! Then call DEA on um for having it!:jointsmile:

Legalization Nationally is only common sense.

I am sure Medicaldelivery is busy opeining a few more disp. today, since D.C. Attn: Gen. announced they will leave medical dispensaries alone now--NO MORE DEA BUSTS FOR LEGIT BUSINESS'S!!! But, the LAPD declares, the local laws remain the same, break the restrictions and they will get you! PR :hippy::rastasmoke::jointsmile:

[Rusty Trichome]

Weedhound: I'm with you. With a better image, and responsible advocates interested in promoting the medical benefits of cannabis instead of their own self-serving interests...medical cannabis can be a reality. Witout this image, we will all be looked down upon as the prepeptual Cheech and Chong crowd.

But if cannabis is ever listed by the feds as a dispensable drug...likely you can kiss legalization goodbye. Name one other drug that's listed by the feds as a prescription drug (controlled substance) and is also legal to use recreationally. The feds are kinda funny that way. But I'm cool with that too, as I grow some killer meds, and so can you, lol.

[VapedG13]

When it is legalized....the big $$$ corporations will exploit weed and go into full warehouse production.......imagine a 5 acre warehouse fully set up for weed cultivation.

[Mississippi Steve]

When it is legalized....the big $$$ corporations will exploit weed and go into full warehouse production.......imagine a 5 acre warehouse fully set up for weed cultivation.

Thats no biggie... I have a cousin with 5 acres of climate controlled greenhouses for breeding orchids. That could be used for an enormous crop. :D

[the image reaper]

When it is legalized....the big $$$ corporations will exploit weed and go into full warehouse production.......imagine a 5 acre warehouse fully set up for weed cultivation.

supposedly, they already beat us to it ... story went around, back in the early 70's, that Kentucky tobacco companies copyrighted the popular pot names (Acapulco Gold, Panama Red, etc., etc.), in case pot ever got legal, they'd already have their foot in the door ... dunno how true it was :smokin:

[VapedG13]

supposedly, they already beat us to it ... story went around, back in the early 70's, that Kentucky tobacco companies copyrighted the popular pot names (Acapulco Gold, Panama Red, etc., etc.), in case pot ever got legal, they'd already have their foot in the door ... dunno how true it was :smokin:

1 pack of Panama Red lites please...:thumbsup:

[FourTwenty4Life]

I would love to walk in a store, show ID for age, and buy some joints. However, I don't think MJ will ever be legalized in our lifetime. Best case scenario is that it's legalized for medicinal use only across the USA. Either way, it's just a plant and people will grow it, legal or not.:thumbsup::hippy:

[Rusty Trichome]

When it is legalized....the big $$$ corporations will exploit weed and go into full warehouse production.......imagine a 5 acre warehouse fully set up for weed cultivation.

Once you are growing it legally, it slowly becomes more of a chore. But I'm sure I could wrap my head around a warehouse of organic soil hybrids, with charity auction Tuesdays and Primo Fridays, with end-of-bud clearance sales. (cured nugget grab-bags)

[painretreat]

:smokebong:
Once you are growing it legally, it slowly becomes more of a chore. But I'm sure I could wrap my head around a warehouse of organic soil hybrids, with charity auction Tuesdays and Primo Fridays, with end-of-bud clearance sales. (cured nugget grab-bags)

:joint1::joint1::bonghit::vap_rasta: for a charity like wine and cheese fund raising events for the local little league! lol! PR

I/R the minute it is legalized the tobacco companies are already in a good place to take over??? Not surprising. Sad to see all those old familiar names to the wayside. Imagine looking at pot like picking out which kind of Dorito to eat! pr:jointsmile:

[Rusty Trichome]

Using micro breweries as a business model, I would almost immediatelly open a couple of Bud Boutiques. (after borrowing shitloads of cash, on an unsecured loan, from the oh-so-generous Obama administration) Rebudlican Central Commodities, The Sativa Shack, and Indica Junction, Starbuds. (three or four seperate shops)
An eclectic mix of hempwear, potions, powders and teas, set in a quiet and comfortable atmosphere of fascist-liberal bashing and insider commodities trading. Since it's my business, I plan on catering to the folks I'm comfortable with, lol.

[WhiskeyTango]

supposedly, they already beat us to it ... story went around, back in the early 70's, that Kentucky tobacco companies copyrighted the popular pot names (Acapulco Gold, Panama Red, etc., etc.), in case pot ever got legal, they'd already have their foot in the door ... dunno how true it was :smokin:

Quite true... I got a family member that works for philip morris that said they even have the pack designs n shit for marlboro golds...lol the lil ribbon with horses on the front of marb packs is replaced by a green leaf and gold trim....

and my 2cents.... CLEARLY those of us that intend to get into the business end of this, whether medical or recreational NEED profits to turn a business. I do not intend to rob anyone by any means. And there will be assistance for less fortunate patients to still be able to get meds, regardless of money. I DO intend to make money, dont get it twisted. BUT...... my intentions into going into this is to make it available at REASONABLE prices. I have a few close friends now who I have been GIVING mj too for years now. My neighbor has MS, and has been dealing with it her whole 49 years. I have NEVER charged her a dime for mj. Other hand....my buddy has a buddy or whatever that wants some killer. not the schwaggy crippy floating around...but good shit. HE will pay 120 for a Q. Call me greedy, go ahead. But helping people for free only works if you have miraculous donations of mad loot, and are already hiding a pirate ship fulla gold...
Medical needs and recreational WANTS are 2 TOTALLY different things in MHO.
good vibes

[the image reaper]

Using micro breweries as a business model, I would almost immediatelly open a couple of Bud Boutiques. (after borrowing shitloads of cash, on an unsecured loan, from the oh-so-generous Obama administration) Rebudlican Central Commodities, The Sativa Shack, and Indica Junction, Starbuds. (three or four seperate shops)
An eclectic mix of hempwear, potions, powders and teas, set in a quiet and comfortable atmosphere of fascist-liberal bashing and insider commodities trading. Since it's my business, I plan on catering to the folks I'm comfortable with, lol.

sounds good, but watch and see, it won't be long before 'BudMart' comes into town, and runs the local 'mom-and-pop' businesses into the ground :S2:

[Rusty Trichome]

I have no doubt that with the current administrations stance on protectionism and the financial ideology of tax and spend...import tariffs would equalize the field a tad. Regardless...you can't beat the local farmers market for freshness and quality.

Would it be a stretch labeling the crop as "free-range", so we could charge more?

[Mississippi Steve]

sounds good, but watch and see, it won't be long before 'BudMart' comes into town, and runs the local 'mom-and-pop' businesses into the ground :S2:

I don't think that weed will be legalized until the elected officials *SEE* the massive tax revenues that are possible. California collected over $10,000,000 in taxes from legal dispenseries.... How much more could be made were it possible to walk into a tobacconist shop and buy a pack of joints, or a bag of bud.

[ChipThaRipper]

You do make some good arguments, but the fact is people go to prisown for maijuana and their lives suffer for it. Their families lose dads and moms. It has to be legalized because we all know the government has no legitamite reason to keep cannasbis illegal. Their is so many guerillas and average people who cultivate marijuana it could never be totally controlled by governemnt no matter what its legal status. They would have more control, but at least we could tax to help the over all welfare of the country. We wouldn't be looked at like the outcasts of society for simply using an herb that's been around since the beggining of time. We need to stop the oppression of our rights and be able to use marijuana as responsible citizens and not be seen as criminals because we are not criminals we are free thinkers we do what we believe is right even when the mass majority of the people see it as a negative! :rastasmoke:

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[DdC222]

The appeasers compromising are desparate or greedy traitors,
I wouldn't trust as far as I could spit...

You can't tax vegetables.

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MMM 5.2.9 D.C. Convergence 7.4.9

Legalize? Oh my. I do this to relieve stress of hospice work.
Secretly, I just like bashing Fascists.
I don't recognize any law saying Ganja is illegal.
How would they bust the inventor?

Its not illegal. Its a plant. Laws based on lies are not legal. No one wants it legal. Except those without connections. Those believing in the system. Those vulnerable to illness grasping for anything making them feel better or cheaper, without going to jail. Which is very unlikely unless you're selling it or growing it in public housing. Or getting too much favorable press. The bad laws need to be removed if integrity is going survive. Notoriety usually only leads to one of the tools of Fascism. Degrade, stigmatize, demonize. Neo-Liberals are good at shunning and ridicule. Raising their eyebrows writing Patriot Ax' behind closed doors. While Neo-cons rant and rage for the kids sake as they spray poisons on eradicating ditchweed. Or send them to wars for oil replaced by cellulose in hemp stalks. Neo-cons have no worry in enacting Neo-libs laws. Just harder for them to write them do to their reputation as Fascists. Neo-libs are Fascist too. Klintoon busted more than Nexxon, Rayguns and Boosh combined.

There has never been a realistic thought of zero tolerance, no money in that. The government corporation takes in more tax with you in prison than working at Micky D. No shortage of jobless to fill your spot. Can't afford anymore educated, outside of the lineage. Higher Education Ax keeps undesirables in the labor pool for life. No Pell grants. Banning foodstamps only leaves stealing for the hungry. More profits and return taxes in an overcrowded cage than from someone who can't even feed themselves or their families. No job since the owner found India and Waldomart Chinese sweatshops. Not concerned about those kids. Anti choice rednecks aborting more babies with Cliarence Thomas Monsanto poisons from crop dusters on cotton crops not used on Hemp. Same chemical companies adulterations added to cigarettes not added to Ganja. Doesn't matter to the Oblamos feeding a bigger tobacco prohibition.

Or naturally the drug worriers who seldom if ever enter reality. Kids given drugs by guidance councilors far more damaging to health, far less trouble than a pesky authority questioner. Homeless deterrents from whistle-blowing. Oil dollars and monopolies. Driving off competition any way they please. Electric trollies replaced with fossil fools or homegrown burlap on supposedly sovereign Indian territories banned, as they do US family farmers. Or Mexicans crossing the border for migrant labor could be growing a staple to feed, shelter and clothe themselves. Corporatism fascism socialism nationalism jerking plastic flags sending kids off to a lie to come back wounded or traumatized then caged for growing a remedy for what the government denies as an illness and a remedy. The TV is "programmed", the 6 o'clock news gives enough angst to stoke the fears to re-consider telling the bossman to shove it.

Ganja is outlawed because it has no infrastructure. Its a plant, grows in most dirt. Lot of work in the combat zones of prohibition. Booze lasted until the Rockefellers, Carnegie and Mellons discovered how much they were losing in not selling materials for the booze infrastructure. Vats tanks pipelines trucks bottles caps and kegs. Steel, Oil and Banksters needed an alternative to prohibit. Then the rhetoric reefer mad bogus headlines. Every decade tweaking the details. Violence to Mellow, makes you dumb and immoral. Leads to hard drugs even before they are invented. Its illegal cause its green. They hate vegetables. Its illegal in their minds. The cages are real because the sheople are cowards. So if you want reality you're in the wrong building.

And since I don't think this is rock surgery, I have to believe that the powers that be know too. Or if they don't someone should remove the bullets and hide the nuke button. They need believing people and people want to believe. Censorship in school books removing the word hemp is a red flag. Removed by slot machine Bennett/Education Secretary/Drug Czar is also a red flag. So if Rx Ganja isn't recognized and isn't taught or permitted as a defense in court. Then there is no justice, just an agenda. And "educated" idiots not taught but getting high grades in Bullshit, now are "professionals" influencing the media and perpetuating confusion maintaining the dysfunctional Ganjawar.

http://i40.tinypic.com/whnm8z.jpg

I have found as a home health aid spreading Ganja medicine and info 20 years, I have to get in the doctors faces and even the most strict defenders of the status quo give in to the family when the Pharmaids run out. It all starts with the patient and sometimes families will side with the cops and others learning from DARE pamphlets. Al Gores sister choose to go without Ganja for political reasons. Nurses seem more accepting. Foreign students and younger nurses seem more likely to go along with the reefer mad authority and primitive treatment, even torture denying patients Ganja. Doing no harm falls behind doing nothing to jeopardize the reputation or job. To believe hemp is a lie to legalize pot for the cartels when it is sold on the net should end the war and have the Bizczars DEAth Merchants in straight jackets.

The internet has educated many thousands, maybe even millions out of 6 billion people. Stoners out doing most groups on the net but it only reaches a small portion of the planet and even the country. Under 10%. We have 12 million hungry and 2.4 million prisoners no one hears about or are taught in school. The USS Constitution Jack writes about with 65 tons of hemp has been refurbished with plastic sails and rigging. The message thing again. Plus cost savings. I wonder if the Smithsonian is replacing the drafts of the Constitution and Declaration with Kinko copies.

If you're waiting for a bozo politician to fix the system before toking, you won't be toking. Lies aren't in the physical world and as long as you try to fix what isn't real, you will spin your wheels another 65 years. Its not only Ganja. Its food, fuel and building products. You buy these products keeping them in business keeping competition out via prohibition. Don't buy their products and when they see we have an impact they will change. But Ganja is also like area 51 or whatever. The red herring is UFO's but something is going down.

Ganja since the Scythians, has a property making it uncomfortable to do things drug worriers do. Snitching out of duty or treating people in a degrading fashion or lying as a means to an end that wouldn't hold up under truth and realism. Herd mentalities. Non questioning entities required to keep the rusty machine running. Ganja causing things to be unsettling, leads people to question. Then when questions are dismissed it leads to revolution. Same reason kids in school shouldn't smoke outside of medical reasons. Questioning ciriculum gets you ritalin or bad grades and blue collars. Abstain or home school until you can afford an Ivory tower like the rock stars not getting involved. The forefathers or Pancho Villa Hippies or Beatniks or Protest-ants all associated with Ganja. The enlightenment period. Archeology discovered traces of hashish in the ancient temple incenses. Did Jesus inhale? Pope says put them in cages. Conserving compassion for something better. Well it must be 4:20 somewhere fardup!

The Drug Czar is required by law to lie (http://drugwarrant.com/stories/2007/10/09/theDrugCzarIsRequiredByLaw.html)

"Having reviewed all the material available to us we find ourselves in agreement with the conclusion reached by the Indian Hemp Drugs Commission appointed by the Government of India (1893-94) and the New York Mayor's Committee (1944 - LaGuardia)that the long-term consumption of cannabis in moderate doses has no harmful effects" "the long-asserted dangers of cannabis are exaggerated and that the related law is socially damaging, if not unworkable"
- 1968 UK ROYAL COMMISSION, THE WOOTTON REPORT

The Assassins of Youth: FRCn PDFA/DARE (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/505)

http://i43.tinypic.com/2u5q3kp.jpg

The Lies Consequences

Boycott Kelloggs and the Olympalumpas

Today Kellogg is trading at $39.52.
Down 12% since dropping Michael Phelps.

Boycott Klogog's (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4231#4231)

http://i43.tinypic.com/23kcbh2.jpg

Britain faces summer of rage - police (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/feb/23/police-civil-unrest-recession)

In the UK, police are preparing for a "summer of rage" as victims of the economic downturn take to the streets to demonstrate against financial institutions.Britain's most senior police officer raised the spectre of a return of the riots of the 1980s, with people who have lost their jobs, homes or savings becoming "footsoldiers" in a wave of potentially violent mass protests.

Urban Warfare Drills Linked To Coming Economic Rage (http://www.prisonplanet.com/urban-warfare-drills-linked-to-coming-economic-rage.html)

Cannabis Helps Keep Fans Calm (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1013)

Fans Too Relaxed for Fights (http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread6056.shtml)

Cannabis Helps Keep Fans Calm (http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread6051.shtml)
Police also claimed that the availability of cannabis in the Netherlands probably helped to defuse any violence. Scores of ticketless England fans gathered in coffee shops in Eindhoven, where cannabis is sold and smoked, to watch the game, greeting the defeat with mild disappointment and unusually, gentle applause. "It (cannabis) may have helped relax them," Mr Beelan added. "Even the hooligans enjoyed the party - and they told our officers. There were lots of things for fans to do and everybody had a good time."

Basketball Riots in L.A., Soccer Thugs in Europe (http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/6/thread6122.shtml)

Euro 2000 Soccer Violence Could Vanish in a Puff (http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/5/thread5993.shtml)

"There's been this growing trend of alcohol-related air rage, episodes of drunken passengers creating in-flight disturbances. The studies I've seen say that alcohol . . . contributes to violent and aggressive behavior. The simple thing is to let people make the safer choice to use marijuana, which doesn't contribute to violent behavior."
-- Mason Tvert

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/img/d7fa/alapoet/49s.jpg

Amy Goodman's Weekly Column (http://www.democracynow.org/blog/category/weekly_column)
"Jailing Kids for Cash"

As many as 5,000 children in Pennsylvania have been found guilty, and up to 2,000 of them jailed, by two corrupt judges who received kickbacks from the builders and owners of private prison facilities that benefited. The two judges pleaded guilty in a stunning case of greed and corruption that is still unfolding. Judges Mark A. Ciavarella Jr. and Michael T. Conahan received $2.6 million in kickbacks while imprisoning children who often had no access to a lawyer. The case offers an extraordinary glimpse into the shameful private prison industry that is flourishing in the United States.

Judges Caging Kids for Cash & Rehabmolestations (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4246#4246)
Alberta drug rehab centre abused us
NDP calling for youth centre investigation

http://www.yannone.org/BlogPics2/CiavarellaAndConahan.jpg
Judges Mark A. Ciavarella Jr. and Michael T. Conahan

Arizona Sheriff Faces Civil Rights Probe (http://www.democracynow.org/2009/2/18/arizona_sherriff_faces_civil_rights_probe), Allegations of Undermining Law Enforcement with Controversial Focus on Immigration

Renegade Cops & Ganja Props (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4203#4203)

'Insane' Sheriff... with a Tank (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4242#4242)

'Relax Your Muscles as Much as Possible' (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/362)

The US Gulag Prison System... (http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4706.html)

A Lie College Students Might Want To Tell (http://tinyurl.com/3d8o9m)

Jailing Kids for Cash (http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking09/Jailing_Kids_For_Cash.html)
By Amy Goodman, Truthdig.com (http://www.truthdig.com)

http://www.november.org/artwork/buttons/SignatureBar.jpg (http://www.november.org)

US Military Suicides at Record High (http://www.democracynow.org/2009/2/20/us_military_suicides_at_record_high); Report Finds
Most Deaths at Single Colorado Base Were Preventable

Many Veterans are the Enemy of the D.E.A.th War (http://www.drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62)

300000 Iraq & Afghan Vets Suffer PTSD & Depression (http://tinyurl.com/47jlc9)

Israel To Soothe Trauma With Ganja
Pot Shots for Israeli Soldiers
Marijuana Eases Traumatic Memories
Pot Blocks Painful Memories, Study Says
Cannabis, the Importance of Forgetting by Michael Pollan
Pot-Like Chemical Helps Beat Fear
Drugwar Lies Linked to Schizophrenia
'Cannabis' Acts as Antidepressant

Wall Street's Chemical Warfare (http://tinyurl.com/pesticideabortionists)

Nixon lied and soldiers suffer for it. (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=459)

Ganja 4 PTSD & Depression (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4198)

Treatment for PTSD Should Include Cannabis (http://current.com/items/88986368/treatment_for_ptsd_should_include_cannabis.htm)

"I am a Vietnam Vet whose life has been devastated by PTSD. I applied for compensation 3years ago but the VA assumes an adverserial role and tells me I have to prove my stressors. The key people for me are probably dead by now. How is this fair?"
Vietnam Vet

"Our returning vets are not getting the care they deserve. Dr's are told not to diagnose PTSD b/c it's too expensive. What will you do to ensure these heros get EVERYTHING they deserve to return to a productive life after they've sacrificed so much?"
DrJay61, Arlington, TX

"What will the Obama administration do for those who are homeless and need mental treatment to fully be in a constructive society? PTSD, schizophrenia, depression, ect."
David, Boise, ID

"I have sent this information in the past but now will re-phrase as a question. What is being done to prepare for all of the military PTSD needs? I am a trauma specialist and VietNam veteran who is willing and available to help."
m2, dallas

http://i34.tinypic.com/314vxat.jpg (http://www.veteransformedicalmarijuana.org/)

[the image reaper]

I haven't read that much, since they caught the Unibomber :wtf:

[Rusty Trichome]

Secretly, I just like bashing Fascists.
Me too...liberal fascists. (small 'L')

Do you know what a fascist is? Obviously not, as you've been mislabeling conservatives since your first series of horseshit-tossing postings. Conservatives want a smaller role for government in our lives...fascists demand a larger, central government that desires to control every aspect of your life.

Lets see...Obama is up to how many 'indusrty' czars? Has spent trillions of dollars as if it were his own, for what? Did you wake up this morning with more money? Did you wake-up in a new home, or with a better paying job? Are you now driving a Mercedes...? Liberal policies do not work, and regardless...Obama did not get elected to change or disregard our constitution. He swore to uphold our constitution, and has failed the American Citizen. Tax cheats in charge of our tax structure and enforcement, Liars and tax cheats in charge of our financial structure, the selling of yet another public seat in the Chicago political machine, from which this messiah has sprung...

Do you understand the power-grab by the White House that's going on right now, or are you denying the whole story, and dodge the truth by tossing-out insults, slander and false accusations...all in the name of what...? Self-importance?

It is kinda funny reading your monologues, while Obama is whispering sweet nothings in your ear, and giving you a reach-around. You are being played by the party of change, and they are laughing in your diseducated faces. (diseducated by the very educators that have taught you not to think for yourselves, but to think 'properly' for a grade)

If you do not at least consider that perhaps you are not the expert, in any given conversation, you are doomed to make the wrong decisions, for the wrong reasons...for the rest of your lives. :jointsmile:

[DdC222]

The appeasers compromising are desparate or greedy traitors,
I wouldn't trust as far as I could spit...

You can't tax vegetables.

I've been getting Nutiva shelled seeds almost a year or so but they aren't keeping up with inventory. Usually the local grocers say they order but Nutiva haven't shipped. I went to Living Harvest oil.

Because Nutiva cannot legally grow hemp in the United States, we must reply on Canadian farmers to produce our hemp crops. Shortages of organic seeds often occur due to weather or because surging sales outstrip supply.
Hemp Seeds Oil : Nutiva.com (http://nutiva.com/products/7_hempseeds.php)

Thanx to Arno and the Tricky Dick GOPerverts

arno corporatism.jpg (http://i38.tinypic.com/3585v2p.jpg)
NixonTapesPotLies (http://tinyurl.com/NixonTapesPotLies)

Editorial As We See It: Should Pot Be Legalized? (http://cannabisnews.com/news/24/thread24518.shtml)
CN Source: Santa Cruz Sentinel February 25, 2009 Santa Cruz, CA
We don't think we'd be accused of "smoking weed" to venture that Santa Cruz would solidly be in favor of the state of California legalizing marijuana.

Pot Proposals: Calif. Sees Tax , N.J. Eyes MMJ (http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread24515.shtml)
Legalizing and taxing California's supposedly biggest cash crop - pot - could add more than $1 billion a year to California's coffers, according to backers of a proposal put forward yesterday in Sacramento.

MMM 5.2.9 D.C. Convergence 7.4.9

Legalize? Oh my. I do this to relieve stress of hospice work.
Secretly, I just like bashing Fascists.
I don't recognize any law saying Ganja is illegal.
How would they bust the inventor?

Its not illegal. Its a plant. Laws based on lies are not legal. No one wants it legal. Except those without connections. Those believing in the system. Those vulnerable to illness grasping for anything making them feel better or cheaper, without going to jail. Which is very unlikely unless you're selling it or growing it in public housing. Or getting too much favorable press. The bad laws need to be removed if integrity is going survive. Notoriety usually only leads to one of the tools of Fascism. Degrade, stigmatize, demonize. Neo-Liberals are good at shunning and ridicule. Raising their eyebrows writing Patriot Ax' behind closed doors. While Neo-cons rant and rage for the kids sake as they spray poisons on eradicating ditchweed. Or send them to wars for oil replaced by cellulose in hemp stalks. Neo-cons have no worry in enacting Neo-libs laws. Just harder for them to write them do to their reputation as Fascists. Neo-libs are Fascist too. Klintoon busted more than Nexxon, Rayguns and Boosh combined.

There has never been a realistic thought of zero tolerance, no money in that. The government corporation takes in more tax with you in prison than working at Micky D. No shortage of jobless to fill your spot. Can't afford anymore educated, outside of the lineage. Higher Education Ax keeps undesirables in the labor pool for life. No Pell grants. Banning foodstamps only leaves stealing for the hungry. More profits and return taxes in an overcrowded cage than from someone who can't even feed themselves or their families. No job since the owner found India and Waldomart Chinese sweatshops. Not concerned about those kids. Anti choice rednecks aborting more babies with Cliarence Thomas Monsanto poisons from crop dusters on cotton crops not used on Hemp. Same chemical companies adulterations added to cigarettes not added to Ganja. Doesn't matter to the Oblamos feeding a bigger tobacco prohibition.

Or naturally the drug worriers who seldom if ever enter reality. Kids given drugs by guidance councilors far more damaging to health, far less trouble than a pesky authority questioner. Homeless deterrents from whistle-blowing. Oil dollars and monopolies. Driving off competition any way they please. Electric trollies replaced with fossil fools or homegrown burlap on supposedly sovereign Indian territories banned, as they do US family farmers. Or Mexicans crossing the border for migrant labor could be growing a staple to feed, shelter and clothe themselves. Corporatism fascism socialism nationalism jerking plastic flags sending kids off to a lie to come back wounded or traumatized then caged for growing a remedy for what the government denies as an illness and a remedy. The TV is "programmed", the 6 o'clock news gives enough angst to stoke the fears to re-consider telling the bossman to shove it.

Ganja is outlawed because it has no infrastructure. Its a plant, grows in most dirt. Lot of work in the combat zones of prohibition. Booze lasted until the Rockefellers, Carnegie and Mellons discovered how much they were losing in not selling materials for the booze infrastructure. Vats tanks pipelines trucks bottles caps and kegs. Steel, Oil and Banksters needed an alternative to prohibit. Then the rhetoric reefer mad bogus headlines. Every decade tweaking the details. Violence to Mellow, makes you dumb and immoral. Leads to hard drugs even before they are invented. Its illegal cause its green. They hate vegetables. Its illegal in their minds. The cages are real because the sheople are cowards. So if you want reality you're in the wrong building.

And since I don't think this is rock surgery, I have to believe that the powers that be know too. Or if they don't someone should remove the bullets and hide the nuke button. They need believing people and people want to believe. Censorship in school books removing the word hemp is a red flag. Removed by slot machine Bennett/Education Secretary/Drug Czar is also a red flag. So if Rx Ganja isn't recognized and isn't taught or permitted as a defense in court. Then there is no justice, just an agenda. And "educated" idiots not taught but getting high grades in Bullshit, now are "professionals" influencing the media and perpetuating confusion maintaining the dysfunctional Ganjawar.

http://i40.tinypic.com/whnm8z.jpg

I have found as a home health aid spreading Ganja medicine and info 20 years, I have to get in the doctors faces and even the most strict defenders of the status quo give in to the family when the Pharmaids run out. It all starts with the patient and sometimes families will side with the cops and others learning from DARE pamphlets. Al Gores sister choose to go without Ganja for political reasons. Nurses seem more accepting. Foreign students and younger nurses seem more likely to go along with the reefer mad authority and primitive treatment, even torture denying patients Ganja. Doing no harm falls behind doing nothing to jeopardize the reputation or job. To believe hemp is a lie to legalize pot for the cartels when it is sold on the net should end the war and have the Bizczars DEAth Merchants in straight jackets.

The internet has educated many thousands, maybe even millions out of 6 billion people. Stoners out doing most groups on the net but it only reaches a small portion of the planet and even the country. Under 10%. We have 12 million hungry and 2.4 million prisoners no one hears about or are taught in school. The USS Constitution Jack writes about with 65 tons of hemp has been refurbished with plastic sails and rigging. The message thing again. Plus cost savings. I wonder if the Smithsonian is replacing the drafts of the Constitution and Declaration with Kinko copies.

If you're waiting for a bozo politician to fix the system before toking, you won't be toking. Lies aren't in the physical world and as long as you try to fix what isn't real, you will spin your wheels another 65 years. Its not only Ganja. Its food, fuel and building products. You buy these products keeping them in business keeping competition out via prohibition. Don't buy their products and when they see we have an impact they will change. But Ganja is also like area 51 or whatever. The red herring is UFO's but something is going down.

Ganja since the Scythians, has a property making it uncomfortable to do things drug worriers do. Snitching out of duty or treating people in a degrading fashion or lying as a means to an end that wouldn't hold up under truth and realism. Herd mentalities. Non questioning entities required to keep the rusty machine running. Ganja causing things to be unsettling, leads people to question. Then when questions are dismissed it leads to revolution. Same reason kids in school shouldn't smoke outside of medical reasons. Questioning ciriculum gets you ritalin or bad grades and blue collars. Abstain or home school until you can afford an Ivory tower like the rock stars not getting involved. The forefathers or Pancho Villa Hippies or Beatniks or Protest-ants all associated with Ganja. The enlightenment period. Archeology discovered traces of hashish in the ancient temple incenses. Did Jesus inhale? Pope says put them in cages. Conserving compassion for something better. Well it must be 4:20 somewhere fardup!

The Drug Czar is required by law to lie (http://drugwarrant.com/stories/2007/10/09/theDrugCzarIsRequiredByLaw.html)

"Having reviewed all the material available to us we find ourselves in agreement with the conclusion reached by the Indian Hemp Drugs Commission appointed by the Government of India (1893-94) and the New York Mayor's Committee (1944 - LaGuardia)that the long-term consumption of cannabis in moderate doses has no harmful effects" "the long-asserted dangers of cannabis are exaggerated and that the related law is socially damaging, if not unworkable"
- 1968 UK ROYAL COMMISSION, THE WOOTTON REPORT

The Assassins of Youth: FRCn PDFA/DARE (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/505)

http://i43.tinypic.com/2u5q3kp.jpg

The Lies Consequences

Boycott Kelloggs and the Olympalumpas

Today Kellogg is trading at $39.52.
Down 12% since dropping Michael Phelps.

Boycott Klogog's (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4231#4231)

http://i43.tinypic.com/23kcbh2.jpg

Britain faces summer of rage - police (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/feb/23/police-civil-unrest-recession)

In the UK, police are preparing for a "summer of rage" as victims of the economic downturn take to the streets to demonstrate against financial institutions.Britain's most senior police officer raised the spectre of a return of the riots of the 1980s, with people who have lost their jobs, homes or savings becoming "footsoldiers" in a wave of potentially violent mass protests.

Urban Warfare Drills Linked To Coming Economic Rage (http://www.prisonplanet.com/urban-warfare-drills-linked-to-coming-economic-rage.html)

Cannabis Helps Keep Fans Calm (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1013)

Fans Too Relaxed for Fights (http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread6056.shtml)

Cannabis Helps Keep Fans Calm (http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread6051.shtml)
Police also claimed that the availability of cannabis in the Netherlands probably helped to defuse any violence. Scores of ticketless England fans gathered in coffee shops in Eindhoven, where cannabis is sold and smoked, to watch the game, greeting the defeat with mild disappointment and unusually, gentle applause. "It (cannabis) may have helped relax them," Mr Beelan added. "Even the hooligans enjoyed the party - and they told our officers. There were lots of things for fans to do and everybody had a good time."

Basketball Riots in L.A., Soccer Thugs in Europe (http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/6/thread6122.shtml)

Euro 2000 Soccer Violence Could Vanish in a Puff (http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/5/thread5993.shtml)

"There's been this growing trend of alcohol-related air rage, episodes of drunken passengers creating in-flight disturbances. The studies I've seen say that alcohol . . . contributes to violent and aggressive behavior. The simple thing is to let people make the safer choice to use marijuana, which doesn't contribute to violent behavior."
-- Mason Tvert

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/img/d7fa/alapoet/49s.jpg

Amy Goodman's Weekly Column (http://www.democracynow.org/blog/category/weekly_column)
"Jailing Kids for Cash"

As many as 5,000 children in Pennsylvania have been found guilty, and up to 2,000 of them jailed, by two corrupt judges who received kickbacks from the builders and owners of private prison facilities that benefited. The two judges pleaded guilty in a stunning case of greed and corruption that is still unfolding. Judges Mark A. Ciavarella Jr. and Michael T. Conahan received $2.6 million in kickbacks while imprisoning children who often had no access to a lawyer. The case offers an extraordinary glimpse into the shameful private prison industry that is flourishing in the United States.

Judges Caging Kids for Cash & Rehabmolestations (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4246#4246)
Alberta drug rehab centre abused us
NDP calling for youth centre investigation

http://www.yannone.org/BlogPics2/CiavarellaAndConahan.jpg
Judges Mark A. Ciavarella Jr. and Michael T. Conahan

Arizona Sheriff Faces Civil Rights Probe (http://www.democracynow.org/2009/2/18/arizona_sherriff_faces_civil_rights_probe), Allegations of Undermining Law Enforcement with Controversial Focus on Immigration

Renegade Cops & Ganja Props (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4203#4203)

'Insane' Sheriff... with a Tank (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4242#4242)

'Relax Your Muscles as Much as Possible' (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/362)

The US Gulag Prison System... (http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4706.html)

A Lie College Students Might Want To Tell (http://tinyurl.com/3d8o9m)

Jailing Kids for Cash (http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking09/Jailing_Kids_For_Cash.html)
By Amy Goodman, Truthdig.com (http://www.truthdig.com)

http://www.november.org/artwork/buttons/SignatureBar.jpg (http://www.november.org)

US Military Suicides at Record High (http://www.democracynow.org/2009/2/20/us_military_suicides_at_record_high); Report Finds
Most Deaths at Single Colorado Base Were Preventable

Many Veterans are the Enemy of the D.E.A.th War (http://www.drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62)

300000 Iraq & Afghan Vets Suffer PTSD & Depression (http://tinyurl.com/47jlc9)

Israel To Soothe Trauma With Ganja
Pot Shots for Israeli Soldiers
Marijuana Eases Traumatic Memories
Pot Blocks Painful Memories, Study Says
Cannabis, the Importance of Forgetting by Michael Pollan
Pot-Like Chemical Helps Beat Fear
Drugwar Lies Linked to Schizophrenia
'Cannabis' Acts as Antidepressant

Wall Street's Chemical Warfare (http://tinyurl.com/pesticideabortionists)

Nixon lied and soldiers suffer for it. (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=459)

Ganja 4 PTSD & Depression (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4198)

Treatment for PTSD Should Include Cannabis (http://current.com/items/88986368/treatment_for_ptsd_should_include_cannabis.htm)

"I am a Vietnam Vet whose life has been devastated by PTSD. I applied for compensation 3years ago but the VA assumes an adverserial role and tells me I have to prove my stressors. The key people for me are probably dead by now. How is this fair?"
Vietnam Vet

"Our returning vets are not getting the care they deserve. Dr's are told not to diagnose PTSD b/c it's too expensive. What will you do to ensure these heros get EVERYTHING they deserve to return to a productive life after they've sacrificed so much?"
DrJay61, Arlington, TX

"What will the Obama administration do for those who are homeless and need mental treatment to fully be in a constructive society? PTSD, schizophrenia, depression, ect."
David, Boise, ID

"I have sent this information in the past but now will re-phrase as a question. What is being done to prepare for all of the military PTSD needs? I am a trauma specialist and VietNam veteran who is willing and available to help."
m2, dallas

http://i34.tinypic.com/314vxat.jpg (http://www.veteransformedicalmarijuana.org/)

99% of the people don't believe in Fascism. Until they do we will maintain dysfunction for profit. Cures and Prevention don't pay, only "treatment" Wars don't profit, Mission Accomplished downgraded war to a Police Action, like Vietnam, Korea, the Cold War and the Ganjawar. Many profits servicing the Police Actions. Domestic and Foreign.

The DEA is in 60+ countries requiring big bucks to maintain the coups and offices, agents and equipment. The corporations using crude oil, trees, cotton and its 90 million pounds of chemicals, booze and Pharmaceuticals all either actively spreading gossip or doing nothing and still keeping competition off the same shelves they bid on.

Blessed is the Police State?
Exporting DEAmocracy
Drug WarRant :: View topic - Exporting DEAmocracy (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4115#4115)

Ganja/Hemp
Cannabis/Hemp Links - Linx - All - Ending Cannabis Prohibition - Message Board - Yuku (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1092)

shadow of the swastika elkhorn manafesto
Shadow of the Swastika: An Open Letter to All Americans (http://www.hempfarm.org/Papers/Shadow_of_the_Swastika.html)

Prisons and the 50,000 Copshops in the country in some form or another. When Nixon lied and arbitrarily lumped Hemp into the Ganjawar, the Klintoon McCaffrey decided to up the confiscations by including wild ditchweed hemp. Continuing to comprise 98% of the Green Harvest total nationwide eradications. Meaningless numbers, but when presented to Congress they keep the black budget year after year.

The Ganjawar Fraud...
The Ganjawar Fraud... - YaHooka Forums (http://tinyurl.com/The-Ganjawar-Fraud)

True the growers profit on the risk of the Ganjawar but they don't inflate the prices. They reap the bennies but they also pay the price if busted. Public servants who supply what we the people demand. No one sells Ganja, people buy it. No commercials or billion dollar Madison Ave Ad agencies splattering frying pans with eggs. Most growers spend their profits locally and blend in to the community. Our town has supported the local growers since the early 90's and we passed a local initiative in 93 before prop 215. WAMM and the mayor were handing out lids on the steps of city hall.

Anti-pot propaganda
Anti-pot propaganda | Cannabis Culture Magazine (http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4185.html)
US feds are addicted to making up fake anti-pot news.

Yes change.org typically is afraid to see the light. Afraid to tarnish the image of plastic concern or real solutions. We are Jews in 1939 Berlin, who except Martyrs would confront the Nazi's head-on?

We're the blacks smuggling remedies to stoners and sick people, we can't ask the rednecks permission or expect fair treatment in their courts. Its the filthy rotten system and both sides in court. work for the system, so the thousand red flags never get noticed.

Or broadcast by the same corporate business' talking memo readers. Any average idiot can see if a court rule says a person can't use medicinal as a defense, rule 404. It might confuse the jury. But not for murder or any gun crime. You can say you were trying to feed your family robbing the 7 11. You can't say you were growing for the city of oakland or Morrow Bay. Might confuse the jury and they might not give you 100 years of mandatory minimum private prison profits.

The US Gulag Prison System
Drug WarRant :: View topic - The US Gulag Prison System (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=90)

A Prison State, If Not a Police State
cannabisnews.com: A Prison State, If Not a Police State (http://cannabisnews.com/news/18/thread18794.shtml)

To actually find a living victim of the bogus medicinal horror stories published should be a concern. Stronger pot BS and every kind of cancer except fingernail is tacked on for good measure. Nixon lied and rejected his own Commissions report while the world focused on a two bit break in at the Watergate Hotel.

SPR - Stop Prisoner Rape
Just Detention International (http://www.spr.org/)

'Relax Your Muscles as Much as Possible'
cannabisnews.com: 'Relax Your Muscles as Much as Possible' (http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/14/thread14571.shtml)

Police officials lied to toughen laws...
Marihemp - Message Boards Closed (http://boards.marihemp.com/boards/thd1x79321.shtml)

Including Medicinal and Hemp that wasn't included in the 1937 Tax Act. 100 million tokers around the planet should produce a ratio of testicular cancer. Or in countries using Ganja thousands of years. If a problem exists now that didn't before then something has changed. Using chemicals on tobacco products and comparing it to Organic Ganja is a bogus gutter science study. The IOM report never touched a bud. They concluded the previous studies to be correct. LaGuardia Commission Report, 1944, Shaffer in the 70's and the Indian Hemp Drugs Commission, 1894 . The only comparison to dangers of smoke were from cigarette studies and unscientific matching it all as smoke and disregarding the expectorant effects of Ganja, no questions. Another tobacco prohibition will make more tax revenue and more harmed from cheaper chemical adulterations.

Same as the FDA opinion being printed as fact for the limbogs to propagandize while they munch out on oxycontin. The FDA has never touched a bud, never conducted a test on Ganja or Hemp. It was an opinion of a worker and leaked out without a simple check. Good for sales. Thousands of red flags.

Many Veterans are the Enemy of the Bush D.E.A.th War
Drug WarRant :: View topic - Many Veterans are the Enemy of the Bush D.E.A.th War (http://www.drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62)

Jury Nullification
Drug WarRant :: View topic - Jury Nullification (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37)

Hemp food worried the meat industry so Klintoon hijacked 17 truckloads of birdseed at the Canadian border. Then tried to outlaw all food products, although most believe the law is already set at .1% and hemp shouldn't have more than that so using it as a way to get out of a Ganja bust is foolish, but enough to try to ban it for the piss taste industry. Its a fraud and nothing but a fraud.

Starving Babies and Illegal Food
Starving Babies and Illegal Food - Cannabis Culture Forums (http://tinyurl.com/6kwhdc)

The Stoners Will Survive
Only The PotHeads Will Survive - Cannabis Food Fuel Fiber FARMaceuticals - All - Ending Cannabis Prohibition - Message Board - Yuku (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/664/t/Only-The-PotHeads-Will-Survive.html)

Drugwar Lies Linked to Schizophrenia
BIG Collection of MJ & MENTAL HEALTH Resources - Cannabis Culture Forums (http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1184658)

Officially GOPerverted
Officially GOPerverted - Cannabis Culture Forums (http://tinyurl.com/bmmaa)

THE DEMONIZATION OF MARIHUANA
THE DEMONIZATION OF MARIHUANA (http://www.iahushua.com/T-L-J/DMH.html)

PREJUDICE: MARIJUANA AND JIM CROW LAWS
Chapter 13 (http://www.electricemperor.com/eecdrom/HTML/EMP/13/ECH13_00.HTM)

The Racist Ganjawar
cache:BQ1WwM7_wFQJ:www.cannabinoid.com/boards/msg7x4883.shtml The Racist Ganjawar - Google Search (http://tinyurl.com/7p6xj7)

Thank You Miss Rosa
"Thank you Miss Rosa" - Cannabis Culture Forums (http://tinyurl.com/RacistGanjawar)

Human Rights and the WoD
Welcome to Human Rights and the Drug War (http://www.hr95.org/)

November Coalition
Home Page of The November Coalition: Working to End Drug War Injustice (http://www.november.org/)

(FAMM Foundation)
FAMM Home Page (http://www.famm.org/)
Families Against Mandatory Minimums Foundation

F.E.A.R.
http://www.fear.org/

* M.A.M.A.
Mothers Against Misuse and Abuse - A Rational Approach to the Issues of Drug Use. (http://www.mamas.org/)

* N.O.R.M.L.
Marijuana Law Reform - NORML (http://norml.org/)

* WAMM
Welcome to WAMM.org (http://www.wamm.org/)

Cannabis News
Cannabis News - marijuana, hemp, and cannabis news (http://www.cannabisnews.com/)

MAP Inc.Org.
MAP: The Media Awareness Project (http://www.mapinc.org/)

Drug Sense
DrugSense: Drug Law Reform (http://www.drugsense.org/)

Souder Illusion: Drug Sentencing Reform Ax
Souder Illusion: Drug Sentencing Reform Ax - YaHooka Forums (http://tinyurl.com/Souder-Higher-Ed-Ax)

cache:NWjsrrM20P4J:boards.marihemp.com/boards/msg7x4619.shtml MakeAShorterLink.com/?V49922006 - Google Search (http://tinyurl.com/Jive-Souder)

U.S. GOVT. COVERS UP MARIJUANA CANCER CURE!
Doctors | Marijuana Anti-Prohibition Project 760.799.2055 (http://marijuananews.org/node/3)

Last year, Spanish scientists found evidence that marijuana can destroy tumors in rats.

But that came as no surprise to U.S. health officials, who quickly deep-sixed the report. Drug-war-obsessed federal officials have known about the cancer-beating properties of pot for more than 25 years and have kept it a secret from the public!

The latest study, released in February 2000, was conducted by Dr. Manuel Guzman of Complutence University in Madrid. In the study, brains of 45 lab rats were injected with a cancer cell, which produced tumors. Later, a third of the rodents were given shots of tetrahydrocannibanol (THC), the active chemical in marijuana.

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Binge Beer ad makes a point By Linda Frederick
NBC5 04/15/02

Liquid Drugs and Driving is the #1 cause of death for 18-24 year olds
Liquid Drugs and Driving is the #1 cause of death - Applicable Information - All - Ending Cannabis Prohibition - Message Board - Yuku (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/432)

U.S. Department of Transportation,
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
(DOT HS 808 078), Final Report, November 1993
"THC's adverse effects on driving performance appear relatively small"

Cannabis use and Driving 03/22/00
Cannabis use and Driving - Applicable Information - All - Ending Cannabis Prohibition - Message Board - Yuku (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/623)

THC's effects after doses up to 300 g/kg never exceeded alcohol's at BACs of 0.08 g% and were in no way unusual compared to many medicinal drugs (Robbe 1994). Yet THC's effects differ qualitatively from many other drugs, especially alcohol. Evidence from the present and previous studies strongly suggests that alcohol encourages risky driving whereas THC encourage greater caution, at least in experiments. Another way THC seems to differ qualitatively from many other drugs is that the former's users seem better able to compensate for its adverse effects while driving under the influence.
Hindrik W.J. Robbe
Institute for Human Psychopharmacology,
University of Limburg,
P.O. Box 616, 6200 MD Maastricht, The Netherlands

Cannabis and Driving
Drug WarRant :: View topic - Cannabis and Driving (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109)

Recent allegations by the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) that cannabis is a significant causal factor in on-road accidents and may adversely impact psychomotor skills up to 24 hours after past use are not supported by scientific evidence.
Allen St. Pierre.
NORML Executive Director

Ganja & Driving articles... above link

Paranoid Pot Smokers Drive More Carefully

Alcohol Impairs Driving More Than Marijuana

Cannabis May Make You a Safer Driver

Cannabisnews Search Cannabis & Driving

Cannabis & Driving by Erowid

Positive Marijuana Result Not Associated With Auto Crash Culpability
September 29, 2005 - Baltimore, MD, USA
Marijuana use, as indicated by the presence of cannabis metabolites, is not associated with crash culpability among injured drivers, according to data presented at the annual conference of the Association for the Advancement of Automotive Medicine.
Read More... cannabisnews.com: NORML's Weekly News Bulletin -- September 29, 2005 (http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread21152.shtml)

Pot Less Harmful Than Alcohol or Tobacco
Cannabisnews Search alcohol
Alcohol impairs driving more than marijuana

A single glass of wine will impair your driving more than smoking a joint. And under certain test conditions, the complex way alcohol and cannabis combine to affect driving behaviour suggests that someone who has taken both may drive less recklessly than a person who is simply drunk.
New Scientist March 2002

Marijuana Myth: "Marijuana Is A Major Cause Of Highway Accidents"

MARIJUANA DOES NOT CAUSE RECKLESS DRIVING
The White House Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) and certain Wisconsin legislators have launched a new crusade against "drugged driving," with a heavy emphasis on marijuana. This crusade is largely based on scientific misinformation, and it could lead to the enactment of bad laws.

US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Reports

Marijuana And Actual Driving Performance - by Robbe, NHTSA, 1993
Marijuana Use And Driving, by Robbe 1994
Marijuana And Actual Driving Performance - by Robbe, NHTSA, 1999
Marijuana & Alcohol Combined Increase Impairment - NHTSA 1999

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Of coarse rustbucket gossip over rules History.

The Counterculture Colonel By Martin A. Lee
Drug WarRant :: View topic - The Counterculture Colonel (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4086#4086)
CN Source: North Bay Bohemian July 10, 2008 USA

Dr. James S. Ketchum, a retired U.S. Army colonel, was into weapons of mass elation, not weapons of mass destruction. He oversaw a secret research program that tested an array of mind-bending drugs on American GIs, including an exceptionally potent form of synthetic marijuana. (Most of these drugs had no medical names, just numbers supplied by the Army.) "Paradoxical as it may seem," Ketchum asserted, "one can use chemical weapons to spare lives, rather than extinguish them."

Dr. Alexander ("Sasha") Shulgin, a critic of chemical mind-meddling by the military, was wary when he first met Ketchum at a 1993 event honoring the 50th anniversary of the discovery of LSD. But Ketchum is not your typical military bulldozer type. An intelligent, gracious man with a disarming sense of humor, in his own way Ketchum has always been a free spirit. He and his wife, Judy, who currently reside in Santa Rosa, became close friends with Sasha and his formidable partner, Ann. They stayed in frequent contact and occasionally socialized together. When the Shulgins invited them to Burning Man, the Ketchums joined the caravan of RVs driving to the desert.

US Government Patents Medical Pot
The Ukiah Daily Journal Forum - Topix (http://www.topix.net/forum/source/ukiah-daily-journal/T5QBCL50PGLQA34QJ)
uly 3rd, 2008 By: Paul Armentano, NORML Deputy Director
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The extent of the federal governmentâ??s hypocrisy on the issue of medicinal cannabis truly knows no bounds. Donâ??t believe me? Just click here.

(Thanks to Huffington Post blogger Brinna for the link.)

US Patent 6630507 - Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants

Application: filed on 2/02/2001

US Patent Issued on October 7, 2003

Assignee: The United States of America, as represented by the Department of Health and Human Services

And there you have it. The same federal government that steadfastly denies pot has any medicinal value also holds the medical patents on the plantâ??s various therapeutic cannabinoids. And they arenâ??t the only ones who do.

NORML podcaster Russ Belville and I will be discussing this issue in depth â?? as well as the related issue of whether or not Big Pharma is behind the prohibition of pot â?? on the Daily Audio Stash next week.

Stay tuned.
links to story: NORML Blog » Blog Archive » US Government Patents Medical Pot (http://tinyurl.com/6pnb6r)

Cannabis extract made by Parke, Davis & Co. circa 1910
http://tinyurl.com/GanjaExtract

Con Flicts of Interest Bush Barthwell & Drugs
Drug WarRant :: View topic - Nazi Con Flicts of Interest Bush Barthwell & Drugs (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=142)

Blank Spots on the Map Mother Jones
Books: Blank Spots on the Map | Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/media/2009/02/books-blank-spots-map)

For all his talk of transparency, Barack Obama now heads a secret governmentâ??4 million Americans with security clearances generating 250 million pages of classified documents a year, and a "black budget" of as much as $60 billion. In this fascinating attempt to trace the physical contours of this parallel intelligence world, geographer Trevor Paglen investigates everything from suburban office parks staffed by spooks to clandestine airstrips and extralegal prisons. He engagingly blurs the line between research and sleuthing. From the 18th floor of a Vegas Strip casino, he watches charter flights between the city airport and top-secret desert bases; he visits a Virginia PO box that receives mail for 168 "sterile identities" maintained by the CIA; and he meets a Canadian hobbyist who catalogs spy satellites that can become virtually invisible. (It involves mirrors.)

Blank Spots on the Map By Gilbert Cruz Time
Blank Spots on the Map - TIME (http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1876478,00.html)
The Gist:

From Area 51 to the once-secret prisons of Afghanistan, there are certain places that the U.S. government has tried its best to erase from most maps. But as author and geographer Trevor Paglen writes early on in his book, the absence of such places â?? the titular blank spots â??inherently inform us of their exact locations: "Secrets, in other words, often inevitably announce their own existence." Over the next 250 pages, Paglen goes on to sketch out a survey of the dark corners of the United States' national security apparatus from the early 20th century to today.

The Elkhorn Manifesto
SHADOW OF THE SWASTIKA
An Open Letter to All Americans (http://gatewood.com/shadv2.html)
The Real Reason the Government Won't Debate
Medical Cannabis and Industrial Hemp Re-legalization
An Open Letter to All Americans
By R. William Davis

Documented Evidence of a Secret Business and Political Alliance
Between the U.S. "Establishment" and the Nazis -
Before, During and After World War II - up to the Present.

Before the Gatewood Galbraith for Governor Campaign in 1991, few Kentuckians knew that the plant that the federal government had demonized for over 50 years as "Marijuana - Assassin of Youth," was, in fact, Cannabis Hemp, the most traded commodity in the world until the mid-1800s, and our state's number one crop, industry, and most important source of revenue, for over 150 years.

Today, thanks to the efforts of pioneer hemp researchers and public advocates such as Galbraith, Jack Fraizer, Jack Herer, Chris Conrad, Ed Rosenthal, Don Wirtshafter and others, the federal government's unjustifiable suppression of our state's right to develop our most valuable and versatile natural resource, is facing increasing opposition from an informed public. Hemp is now recognized as the number one agriculturally renewable raw material in the world, and perhaps the only crop / industry which can guarantee us industrial and economic independence from the trans-national corporations.

"Shadow of the Swastika" is a follow-up to my earlier work, "Cannabis Hemp: the Invisible Prohibition Revealed," which I wrote and published in support of the Galbraith Campaign. Since publication of that booklet, there has been growing public acceptance of the evidence that Marijuana Prohibition was created in 1937, not to protect society from the "evils of the drug Marijuana," as the Federal government claimed, but as an act of deliberate economic and industrial sabotage against the re-emerging Industrial Hemp Industry.

Previous investigations by hemp researchers have been limited to the suppression of free-market competition from the hemp industry, and focused on the activities of three prominent members of America's corporate, industrial and banking establishment during the mid- to late-1930s:

From Whom Did the Fascists Get Support?

Italian fascism and German Nazism had their admirers within the U.S. business community and the corporate owned press. Bankers, publishers, and industrialists, including the likes of Henry Ford, traveled to Rome and Berlin to pay homage, receive medals, and strike profitable deals. Many did their utmost to advance the Nazi war effort, sharing military industrial secrets and engaging in secret transactions with the Nazi government, even after the United States entered the war. During the 1920s and early 1930s, major publications like Fortune, the Wall Street Journal, Saturday Evening Post, New York Times, Chicago Tribune, and Christian Science Monitor hailed Mussolini as the man who rescued Italy from anarchy and radicalism.
Nixon lied to schedule Ganja #1.
Drug WarRant :: View topic - While Nixon Campaigned, FBI Watched John Lennon (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=459)

High on Hemp
Drug WarRant :: View topic - High on Hemp (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=859)

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country... Corporations have bee enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money-power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
Abraham Lincoln, November 12, 1864,

"The struggle between the two worlds [Fascism and Democracy] can permit no compromises.
It's either Us or Them!"
Benito Mussolini Address, from Palazzo Venezia balcony October 27, 1930

"The German people have no idea of the extent to which they have to be gulled in order to be led."

"The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of the nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies but would be ashamed to tell a big one."
From Benito Mussolini contributing to the "London Sunday Express," December 8, 1935

"How many murders, suicides, robberies, criminal assaults, holdups, burglaries and deeds of maniacal insanity it causes each year, especially among the young, can only be conjectured...No one knows, when he places a marijuana cigarette to his lips, whether he will become a joyous reveller in a musical heaven, a mad insensate, a calm philosopher, or a murderer..."
HARRY J ANSLINGER
Commissioner of the US Bureau of Narcotics 1930-1962

"All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those towards whom it is directed will understand it. Therefore, the intellectual level of the propaganda must be lower the larger the number of people who are to be influenced by it."

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise."
From Benito Mussolini contributing to the "London Sunday Express," December 8, 1935

"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others."
Harry Anslinger, U.S. Commissioner of Narcotics, testifying to Congress on why marijuana should be made illegal, 1937.
(Marijuana Tax Act, signed Aug. 2, 1937; effective Oct. 1, 1937.)

"Another weapon I discovered early was the power of the printed word to sway souls to me. The newspaper was soon my gun, my flag - a thing with a soul that could mirror my own."
Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini together in the heyday of 1930s fascism.

"A violently active, intrepid, brutal youth that is what I am after...
I will have no intellectual training.
Knowledge is ruin for my young men."
Adolf Hitler quoted by John Gunther "The Nation"

"Because Fascism is a lie, it is condemned to literary sterility. And when it is past, it will have no history, except the bloody history of murder."
- Ernest Hemingway (1898-1961)

Battle Lines in the Drug War thenewamerican.com/tna/1997/vo13no22/vo13no22_battle.htm
From Triangle of Death, a novel written by former federal undercover agent Michael Levine
"Make La Reina Blanca (crack) available in a country and within weeks a significant and predictable portion of the population is turned into murderous, uncontrollable zombies doomed to a slow, expensive death,"
"How can you be so good at what you do and have so little understanding of what really pulls your strings?" the CIA officer wearily responds. "Don't you realize that there are factions in your government that want this to happen -- an emergency situation too hot for a constitutional government to handle."

"...somebody has to take governments' place, and business seems to me to be a logical entity to do it."
- David Rockefeller - Newsweek International, Feb 1 1999.

"They that start by burning books will end by burning men."
(German) "Dort, wo man Bcher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen."
--Heinrich Heine (1797-1856), from his play Almansor (1821)

"The mission of the Christian Coalition is simple," says Pat Robertson. It is "to mobilize Christians -- one precinct at a time, one community at a time -- until once again we are the head and not the tail, and at the top rather than the bottom of our political system." Robertson predicts that "the Christian Coalition will be the most powerful political force in America by the end of this decade." And, "We have enough votes to run this country...and when the people say, 'We've had enough,' we're going to take over!"
--Pat Robertson

"We're going to bring back God and the Bible and drive the gods of secular humanism right out of the public schools of America." --Presidential candidate Pat Buchanan addressing the anti-gay rally in Des Moines, 2-11-96

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
--Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue,
The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93

A Short History of FBI COINTELPRO
A Short History of FBI COINTELPRO (http://www.monitor.net/monitor/9905a/jbcointelpro.html)

More information on COINTELPRO in the Bari case is available at the Monitor Judi Bari index. M Judi Bari Resources (http://www.monitor.net/monitor/bari/default.html#fbi)

America's Secret Police: FBI COINTELPRO in the 1990s A-Infos (en) [AFIB] America's Secret Police: FBI COINTELPRO in the 1990s (http://www.ainfos.ca/98/apr/ainfos00152.html)

Alternet.org - Spying and Lying: The FBI's Dirty Secrets http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=13316

Armies of Repression Armies of Repression: (http://www.etext.org/Politics/Spunk/library/pubs/lr/sp001714/bacorr.html)

COINTELPRO COINTELPRO (http://www.dickshovel.com/coin.html)

COINTELPRO - FBI counterintelligence programs to repress political dissent in the United States. http://www.derechos.net/paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.htm

A Short History of FBI COINTELPRO COINTELPRO (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/COINTELPRO/cointelpro.html)

COINTELPRO Tool - Manufacturing Consent since 2002 The Fred Willard Fan Site (http://cointelprotool.blogspot.com)

Lip Magazine - Invade Iraq: Bush's Real Reasons - Puts forward reasons that the Bush Administration is determined to attack Iraq militarily. LiP | Feature | Invade Iraq: Bush's Real Reasons (http://www.lipmagazine.org/articles/featwishnia_213.shtml)

Media Filter - Bari vs. FBI - Explores some of the shadowy law enforcement actions surrounding the bombing of Bari's car and her subsequent standing as the prime suspect in the crime. Bari vs. FBI (http://mediafilter.org/MFF/S37/S37cointelpro.html)

The 1960s and COINTELPRO: In Defense of Paranoia - The 1960s and COINTELPRO: In Defense of Paranoia by Daniel Brandt From NameBase NewsLine, No. 10, July-September... http://www.pir.org/news10.html

TomPaine.com - The FBI's New Style Is '80s Retro Chic - John Rieger interviews author Ross Gelbspan about the FBI's investigation in the 1980s with Americans branded as "terrorists." From June 2002.
http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/5730

Village Voice - John Ashcroft On Trial - Nat Hentoff reports on the challenge by civil libertarians to the Attorney General's nuvo 'COINTELPRO' programs. New York News - John Ashcroft on Trial - page 1 (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0203/hentoff.php)

Village Voice, The - Unleashing the FBI - James Ridgeway criticizes the FBI's reorganization under John Ashcroft and compares it to the COINTELPRO era. New York News - Unleashing the FBI - page 1 (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0223/hentoff2.php)

COINTELPRO (http://www.cointel.org) - Please go to COINTELPRO (http://www.cointel.org) and update any links you may have More results from: http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointel.htm

COINTELPRO The Sabotage Of Legitimate Dissent COINTELPRO (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/COINTELPRO/cointelpro.html)

JUDI BARI VS FBI TRIAL COVERAGE Judi Bari Resources (http://www.monitor.net/monitor/bari/)

Judi Bari Home Page The Judi Bari Website (http://www.judibari.org)

MKULTRA: CIA Mind Control C O N T E N T S http://www.parascope.com/ds/documentslibrary/documents/mkultrahearing/index.htm

MKULTRA: CIA Mind Control http://www.parascope.com/ds/mkultra0.htm

MKULTRA CIA Mind Control Peyote : the divine cactus (http://www.peyote.com/)

Resources on Drug Experiments Performed by the U. S. Government
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MKULTRA: CIA Mind Control
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[Rusty Trichome]

Very impressive. Not only do you post garbage...

You scream garbage.

Sure hope you have a good life...and God bless you, for being you. :thumbsup:

p.s. WalMart is hiring, and by the sounds of it...you could qualify for the "hire a moron" tax credit. (might just be your only path to gainful employment) :jointsmile:

[the image reaper]

yes, dump the long, cut-and-paste, screaming posts, or take them elsewhere ... you are wasting bandwidth ... strive for an original thought :wtf:

[Mississippi Steve]

yes, dump the long, cut-and-paste, screaming posts, or take them elsewhere ... you are wasting bandwidth ... strive for an original thought :wtf:

IR, there are a lot of youngsters that still haven't figured out that they have 2 eyes, 2 ears, and only one mouth for a reason.

[WhiskeyTango]

IR, there are a lot of youngsters that still haven't figured out that they have 2 eyes, 2 ears, and only one mouth for a reason.

:dance:
LMAO

[ChipThaRipper]

i agree vapedG13 legalization would only benefit the economy and stop the oppression of families who had to suffer from a loved one put into jail or prison for marijuana. And all of the real criminals who stay in society while the hard working father who had a pound of marijuana sits in prison!!!

[painretreat]

dcd222: :google::google::asskick::spam4:
I thought I was windy! Now I understand, 'too much info'! Try dial-up and you'll realize, too much work to flip around, read and stay on line long enough!
:angry3: too much :fish:

[Medicaldelivery]

I waana thank everyone for all your comments to this thread, I've got allot of responses from all points of views and can respect all.

Some of you agree and some disagree and even go as far as calling me a "greedy bitch", I'm not greedy and for sure I'm not a bitch, I wrote this thread from a business man's point of view, not a patient's.

And from a business point of view, I don't think making the license to sell bud hard to get and easy to loose is the way to go. Because illigal bud sales are still gonna happen if a vendor looses his/her license.

Completelly legalizing is going to raise the prises at the dispensaries, and illigal bud sales are still going to happen, because we are not going to wanna pay $75-80 bucks for an 1/8 of of bud, we gonna meet homeboy down the street and get it fo $45. I'm not the dude down the street but I can deliver bud to your door, click here (http://la420delivery.bizmancenter.info/).

I've been smoking bud for 12 years now everyday, and no one more than me is going be happier to see it completely legal, I just don't want these prices to skyrocket.:D

[Doobee]

If I may ask?

You first say you do not charge for the cannabis and only charge for the delivery.
Your website starts with the same but then goes into the delivery charge will be according to the amount and the distance.

Distance is fair enough sensible, no problem.

But if you do not charge for the cannibas then why charge more to deliver more when an ounce and a half is no more to fret over handling and delivery than a half ounce or even less.

Reminds me of the hawkers on TV who sell crap yadda yadda with a handling/ shipping fee 1000 Xs more than the actual cost.

No insult intended ok?
I am looking into starting up a dispensary/ grow co-op here in Albuquerque, NM and would rather value your place in opinions than to cause dissent.

I'd just like to understand better why you intentionally misplace the truth when it is so obvious otherwise.

To parse words stating you do not charge for cannabis then adjust your so-called delivery fee to do just that is dishonest....in my onry opinion.

Maybe it's just me being too sensitive due to losing $490+K on my land at 57 due to lying semantics and illegal actions all to make money no matter how by the city of Rio Rancho.





I waana thank everyone for all your comments to this thread, I've got allot of responses from all points of views and can respect all.

Some of you agree and some disagree and even go as far as calling me a "greedy bitch", I'm not greedy and for sure I'm not a bitch, I wrote this thread from a business man's point of view, not a patient's.

And from a business point of view, I don't think making the license to sell bud hard to get and easy to loose is the way to go. Because illigal bud sales are still gonna happen if a vendor looses his/her license.

Completelly legalizing is going to raise the prises at the dispensaries, and illigal bud sales are still going to happen, because we are not going to wanna pay $75-80 bucks for an 1/8 of of bud, we gonna meet homeboy down the street and get it fo $45. I'm not the dude down the street but I can deliver bud to your door, click here (http://la420delivery.bizmancenter.info/).

I've been smoking bud for 12 years now everyday, and no one more than me is going be happier to see it completely legal, I just don't want these prices to skyrocket.:D

[boaz]

What not just tax cannabis farmers like we tax any other kind of farmer?

i agree. good idea. :greenthumb:

[boaz]

let me be the first to intoduce you to Hemp Cereal.......:D:D:hippy: ...

:greenthumb: i've got to get some. all these years i've been munching on bag seeds just for the taste, who would have thought they'd be rich in "omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids, as well as extra protein and fiber. " :eat: :rasta:

[boaz]

say med cal, do you deliver to bum fuck Oklahoma? :D i wish.

great thread. med cal, i got the idea from your first post that you were just saying that California should not completely legalize with this current bill they are discussing in Sac right now, not that we should not, in general, legalize. right?

As was mentioned earlier, the feds need to legalize, too. President Obama seems pretty cool but is he going to be cool with Cali opening up fire on a whole host of new federal laws beyond med use?

Could this bill in Sac, or any bill to legalize in California, short of any federal action, put the gains made by 215 over the past 12 years in check?

Could the State of California or any local city use this as a way of taxing the coops out of existance?

I think these are all valid questions that should be discussed, and have in this thread. :smokin:

i don't see anything about greed in your first post, just concern for keeping what Cali has now, which no other State in the union has manage to replicate yet.

but that said . . :jointsmile: i really dig the idea of converting circuit city to giant coops, complete with fresh buds, clones, growing needs, maybe even hemp clothing, etc. as was said earlier, some people love to purchase good well grown, well cured quality bud and there are some who love growing them :jointsmile: if only there was some sort of economic mechanism we could employ to bring these two together .... hmmmm :detective1:

[keithm89]

but what about the millions of people that have had their lives fucked by the law. no offense but ill take the money problems to help out so many people in other states that will be fucked over in the future by retarded marijuana laws