Shov's Grow Log 2/2009

[Shovelhandle]

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I've had a few logs here in the last couple of seasons. I learn a lot by research and a lot by people on this site chiming in. I've gotten some better ideas about keeping a log or journal too. In the past I kept a half assed (stoner) sheet of papers called 'grow journals'. What was on the grow log wasn't in the journal, and vice versa. This will be no different I'm guessing, but I'm going to try to include stuff in the grow log like feeding menus and schedules,LST or cropping schedule (w/pics), lighting and transplanting details. Thank you.

Sho

[Shovelhandle]

Soaking ten Blueberry Seeds (Dutch Passion), ten Mazar seeds (Serious), and five Super Silver Haze (Serious) in bottle water in papertowels, in sandwich bags, in a tin box, on top if my cable modem (78-82 ºF).

I set up a 4' shoplight w/5000K cool white lamps. I filled two dozen pots of assorted sizes, 4"-5" with my potting soil mix. Although I won't plant the seeds today I watered the dry potting soil in with a solution of Root 66 (1-1-1from Technaflora BC).

Shalom,

Shov :giveflower:

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

Hey Shov,

Speaking for myself and surely our fellow cancom buddies, your grow logs are always interesting and fulfilling. I have yet to be unsatisfied following along. :thumbsup: But with this somewhat 'new' journal info and better understanding of the entire grow with maybe more details of: shedules/pics/progress definitely intrigues me that much more. Looking forward to this. Subscribed! take care.

:jointsmile:

mgm

[Shovelhandle]

This morning I planted the beans in their pots, which I had pre-watered a few days ago to get the soil 'active'. Most of the beans had cracked, a few had 5mm or better root. I put them in the soil, root down of course and watered them in. I covered the 6" x 40" row of pots with plastic wrap to keep from drying out. A 4' (2) tube shop light with 5000K lamps was set about 2-3 inches above the pots and I used cardboard to enclose everything to keep the light from the flowering plants. The shop light will run 24 hrs for now. Somehow I lost a Blueberry bean. Probably put two into one pot somehow. :jointsmile:

sho

[Shovelhandle]

they are emerging from the pots.
so far;

Blueberry 7/9
Mazar 4/10
Super Silver Haze 1/5

[WhiskeyTango]

Got me taggin along! Love me some SSH!
good vibes

[Shovelhandle]

Too bad I can't put them out on the sunporch with the kitchen herbs I'm trying to sprout. The soil gets some wrm behind them glass windows, even with 20ºF outside it's 80s on the porch.

Shov

[Divestoned]

Yumm blueberry is one of my favorite's.

[Shovelhandle]

OK, let's start counting time on 3/1. My last grow I flipped on 1/1 to make it easier to keep track of time in my head.

Here's the lineup. I'e got 8/9 Blueberry popped, A few Mazar and two or three SSH. It is difficult to see the tiniest sprouts in the photo.
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[Shovelhandle]

Blueberry have all popped 9/9
Mazar, not so good, three/10. I hope for two females (crosses fingers and toes)
Super Silver Haze are 4/5, there seedlings are as tiny and fragile looking as the seeds were.

They are under a 4', two tube T-8 shop light. temperature, 70º. I am anxious to put them under the brighter MH light and fan as soon as I can.

Sho

[Shovelhandle]

Though hardly second string... since the Mazar had not germinated very well at all I refilled five of the pots and started five NCDG. So, four separate strains, I'd like to finish at least one female of each, two would be better.

Shov

[WhiskeyTango]

Though hardly second string... since the Mazar had not germinated very well at all I refilled five of the pots and started five NCDG. So, four separate strains, I'd like to finish at least one female of each, two would be better.

Shov

5 NCDG, dont be surprised to get 3 ladies outta there, the last run I did with 10 NCDG, I got 8 chicks...bow chicka bow wow
good vibes

check your gmail, although I think this post answered my question.
your gonna LOVE that strain!!!

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

Awesome ratio on for the BB and SSH. Too bad about the Mazar. So is NCDG available anywhere or are they your private collection? I would love to try it indoors and out. Lovely strains tho, should be interesting in a few months. I'm so ready for spring/summer, can't wait.

mgm

[Shovelhandle]

Well, the SSh were very fragile and two died of stem rot in the first two days. Still I hope for at least one fem. The other plants are looking good, except the soil looks a little 'hot' as I have a little brown on the tiny leaf tips already. Should be ok but I'm ready to transplant if necessary.

I don't know where NCDG available, it was gifted from a local.

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

just curious, that's a wonderful gift. sucks about ssh already but i can imagine them being very fragile since the seed size is tiny. good luck with this...the lil sprouts are looking nice.

[Weedhound]

Shov, I just bought and germed 2 feminized Ice seeds which are also small seeds....only one has germinated so far.......coincidence or do you find small seeds have more issues?

[Divestoned]

I find that small weak seed's come from " nirvana seed's" LOL

[Shovelhandle]

It seems that healthy looking seed that is stored well usually have no problems. I don't like to see tiny seed or light (green) colored seed.
The seedlings are all doing fine. I'll try and pop the other five NCDG when the weather warms up so I can control the soil temp more easily. I also have a gift of C99 and NCDG x (forgot) beans to grow out next round. I'm very excited about all these new seeds/seedlings. :D

[detroitfish]

i got my fingers and toes crossed for ya bro hope it all goes well :thumbsup:

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

small seeds have always been iffy IMO. their either pops or duds. but i've noticed haze strains are usually always smaller than others. c99xncdg? wow i would love to try that. it would be marvelous to see that in bloom :thumbsup:

mgm

[Shovelhandle]

Some bud pics. I got around three oz of top buds and two oz of lower buds from the three clones. The Z10 will harvest tomorrow.

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[Shovelhandle]

Just starting week 3. Mixed a new batch of soil (my other batch is in the barn, frozen solid). Transplanted into larger pots.

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[Weedhound]

Quite the little crowd there Shov. :)

[Shovelhandle]

Thanks, Weedsy! There are 9 Blueberry, three each of the SSH and Mazar-i-Sharif

[Shovelhandle]

All the young plants are doing very well except for the NCDG, 0/5 germination directly in pots of seed-starter, 75-80º temps. Huh.

I stumbled across Mr Nice Seeds 'Neville's Haze' for sale this am! They are pricey, but I couldn't help myself. I have to know what this strain is all about. I don't know when I'll be able to grow them out as I have a full house right now for the next 12+ weeks. Maybe this summer indoors?

[McDanger]

Good luck Shove,:thumbsup:I'm along for the ride. I'll be starting a new log soon on some Joey Weed WW and indoor mix seeds that just cracked.:D:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

The plants are looking great. Two SSH were FIMed at the 5 or 6 nodes (the third SSH is two weeks behind as it took that much longer to find it's way out of the soil). These plants have distinctive sativa leaves, a great surprise since I grew two generations of Neville's Haze and I was still waiting for a sative pheno. From what I've read, it's a good idea to start training and topping early on, like the third full node. These are quite a bit larger, I hope I can control these sativas in a grow full of indica doms.

I am hoping to train the indicas as I did my last bunch, one week of serious LST before I flip 'em. :smokin:

[Shovelhandle]

The plants are doing well. The soil wss a little 'hot' in the beginning so there are early leaves burned off.

Blueberry. there are 9 of them out of nine seeds (I lost one seed while planting. ???)
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Mazar -I- Sharif. Only three of the ten germinated but they are fine.
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Super Silver Haze. Great to see them skinny leaves! I got two to sprout out of five, then two weeks later a third popped. I FIMed the two earlier ones and will do the third at the third node in a couple of days.
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The Nursery. I haven't determined what to do about putting some outdoors.
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Thanks for stopping by, folks!

[Weedhound]

Dying to see how that SSH works out. Have some unsexed seeds that I want to try.

[Shovelhandle]

I've read only good things about this strain. It is reported to have three or more phenos, yet none are bad. I'll be regularly looking back at SSH grows on many sites to see what the experienced growers do. That is why I topped them already.

I'm really shittin a brick waiting for sex on them though. Remember I had two nice sativas, Sweet Bud. They were nice, males. :mad:

Sho

[headshake]

looking good shove! kinda looks like my nursery! i mean, not near as nice genetics, but all the youngsters none the less.

keep it up! send me some clones!

-shake

[WhiskeyTango]

None of the NCDG popped? :wtf:
good vibes

[the image reaper]

sorry to hear that, Shov :(

[Shovelhandle]

I have not tried the NCDG seeds from you, WT. Im equally excited to try the C99.

I did put 5 (of 10) seeds I was gifted earlier directly into seed starter mix and cared for them for weeks at 75-80º and none popped. I'll try the other five when the weather warms and I can try a sunny window in an incubation dome.

[bigtopsfinn]

Coming along very nicely as usual... I would love to be looking down at all those babies! :thumbsup:

[WhiskeyTango]

I have not tried the NCDG seeds from you, WT. Im equally excited to try the C99.

I did put 5 (of 10) seeds I was gifted earlier directly into seed starter mix and cared for them for weeks at 75-80º and none popped. I'll try the other five when the weather warms and I can try a sunny window in an incubation dome.

whew.....lol. Felt like an asshole for a minute. I did germ tests on mine and got over 95%...Everything else is lookin MIGHTY fine brother!
good vibes

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

Looking good shovel! Ill be watching along to soak up as much information as I can. Ill look back to see if I missed it but can you maybe let us in on what soil mixture you will be using and maybe what nutes the babies will be getting? Thanks a bunch!:thumbsup:

Dodo

[Shovelhandle]

I had a 40 gallon or so of soil batched up but it is frozen. So I put up a couple of new batches. I do not measure but here's some idea of wtf I use.

40# bag of plain (any good local brand) potting soil, no nutes like Hyponex (MG without the time released nutes)
1 foot³ peat moss
40# bag composted and dried cow manure (or 20# worm castings)
4 gallons perlite
2 gallon vermiculite
three 'fist-fulls' dolomite lime

mix, 1/2 gallon water (maybe add half can of flat beer), mix

best if it can sit for a week or two before transplanting. Not used for seed starting.

Shov

[Shovelhandle]

whew.....lol. Felt like an asshole for a minute. I did germ tests on mine and got over 95%...Everything else is lookin MIGHTY fine brother!
good vibes

no worries, Bub. It sucks when you share seeds and your regular, non-feminized seeds and they hermie on the dude. :jointsmile:

ShYtE hApPeNs :hippy:

[Divestoned]

You mentioned earlier that your soil was "hot" at first.It's the manure,you can flush it with balanced water prior to mixing,that will take some of the bite out of it.

Dive:stoned:

[Shovelhandle]

Yes, I couldn't use my 'worked' soil, it was frozen (40 gallons). So the batch I made was 'new'. Though I did mix it with seed starter mix it did burn the leaves a little. When I transplanted it was softer. I made a couple of batches and shared one, I have a batch working now for transplant. The plants are kicking ass (as are the plants in the shared soil). :)

btw, the hot batch had no manure, worm castings only. new batches have the manure and as I said, they are 'worked'.

Shov

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

looks good shov, i'm diggin the SSN's leaves as well. think they'll turn out nice. just got done harvesting some G13H and the phenos were beautiful. one with huge/thick foliage and 2 compact/large/dense producing nugs. hopefully you have the same luck. i'll be seeing ya

mgm

[WhiskeyTango]

no worries, Bub. It sucks when you share seeds and your regular, non-feminized seeds and they hermie on the dude. :jointsmile:

ShYtE hApPeNs :hippy:

LMAO!! No worries man, shyte DOES happen....Im even trying the fem ones now too...lol. Think those are Z10?
good vibes

[Shovelhandle]

I'm smoking Z 10 and loving it

[Shovelhandle]

Three Super Silver Haze.
The taller one's have been FIMed twice, the short one, once. These will grow tall and long (time).
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=215800&stc=1&d=1239374619

Three Mazar-I- Sharif
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=215801&stc=1&d=1239374619

Nine Blueberry
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=215802&stc=1&d=1239374619

All the above...
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=215803&stc=1&d=1239374619

Thanks for looking.

Shov

[Yomilicious]

Hi Shov, maybe you can help me with some info. I am a first time grower and have my babies in a home grow box. They light is a 400wt HPS on 24hrs, but I have noticed the leaves are turning yellowie and maybe burning.

Is that because the light is too close please help the faith of my BG is in your hands

[McToker]

Nice looking crop there Shov. Those BB's look particularly hearty.:thumbsup:

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

Hi Shov, maybe you can help me with some info. I am a first time grower and have my babies in a home grow box. They light is a 400wt HPS on 24hrs, but I have noticed the leaves are turning yellowie and maybe burning.

Is that because the light is too close please help the faith of my BG is in your hands

Yomi,

they're burning because a 400hps shouldn't run for 24hrs...that bulb is used for 12/12 (12hrs light/12hrs dark). try switching the bulb to a 400MH (metal halide). then when the girls are big enough, change it back and go with 12/12 with the hps.

Shov,

those ladies are looking mighty fine. I'm not sure on this, but does BB have a low yield, i would think it was moderate. but you have 9, curious if that was for other reasons or just because they all popped ;).

Happy Easter friend(s), keep up the good work

-mgm

[Shovelhandle]

huh, reply went to cyber heaven. I'll try later.

[jakezking]

Shov, as always you have a passel of beauties. What a variety too! I stumbled across some SSH not longer ago, and had a few puffs last night - serious creeper; snuck right up on me and whomped me on the head. Yours are looking great - I'll keep my fingers crossed for you that they're ladies.

I'm really interested in the BB though. I've been wanting a serious indica for awhile, but can't afford those high-priced beans for a good BB. Your Mazar are looking good too - didn't mean to leave them out.

Keep up your always outstanding work!

[KillerBudG]

Hey shov your ladies looking good man.:thumbsup: Can't wait to see them in a couple more weeks, Will stay close to your grow to see if I can pick up a thing or two.:jointsmile:



~One~:rastasmoke:
~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[Shovelhandle]

In the photo are three Blueberry females (R), three Mazar females (L), and three Super Silver Haze yet to be sexed (Back). I'll be sending two Blueberry females and one male down the road to another grower who would like to get some BB seed. The rest (3) of the BB that are females will stay.

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Shov

[headshake]

have the grower down the road send some of those seeds to this grower down the road!

looking good! nice variety.


-shake

[Shovelhandle]

Grog, wenches and SEEDS for my crew! :greenthumb:

[headshake]

sounds awesome! i'd be glad to call you cap'n, arghh!


-shake

[Italiano715]

Grog, wenches and SEEDS for my crew! :greenthumb:


sounds like a Monkey Island game that I played!

[Shovelhandle]

I changed lamps and nutrient formula in antisipation of flipping to bloom cycle later this week.

Here's the crop tied down, showing lower bud sites. I'll train them this week and let them stand back up when they go into bloom.
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Here are three blueberry plants waiting to show sex.
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[Shovelhandle]

Today I released the lst. (Photos are before that)
Tomorrow they go to 12/12.

All together.
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Blueberry
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Mazar
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SSH
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[Mr.GoodMorning02]

Hey shov,

looking healthy, as usual. gonna have some beauties during bloom :thumbsup:
been working alot myself, but ill be sure to check back often. take care

mgm

[jakezking]

There are some truly high quality growers on here, and you're one I enjoy following - your plants are always the epitome of health, lush dark green leaves. Your present grow is no exception - pure quality from top to bottom.

Fine work, my friend - you set the bar HIGH.

[Shovelhandle]

Thank you friends.
I try and keep it simple and learn from trying things (and reading canncom, of course). I remember to not to try more than one new thing at a time. I hope to get a few outdoors this year and actually harvest them myself, for a change.

Shov

[Mr. Clandestine]

Nice looking plants, Shov! :thumbsup:

I've heard only ridiculously good things about Super Silver Haze, so definitely be sure to give a smoke report on that one when the time comes! That's a strain I'd like to get my hands on in the future.

Take care. :jointsmile:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Looking very nice Shov!!!!

I had to go away from the site for awhile,. Thought I would check in, I am pleased to see your still up to your usual tricks.

JG

[McToker]

I remember to not to try more than one new thing at a time. Shov

A lesson I'm beginning to learn myself.

Thank you:thumbsup:

[Divestoned]

I hope to get a few outdoors this year and actually harvest them myself, for a change.

Shov

HEHE

[perpetr8r]

Hey Shov, plants look goooood! I have DP Blueberry in flower right now and got those mazar seeds as freebies when i ordered the blues! Havent planted the mazar but our blueberries look like family! :) Seems some of them take a while to show sex though. I veg'd for 5 weeks and they are 4 days into flower and some still show nothing. Curious about the mazar you're growing too. Will keep a close eye so i can learn from you.
:thumbsup:
rock on!

[Shovelhandle]

Well, I worked with the plants today. I decided that the top of the plants were joining the side branches too quickly and getting too tall so I lsted them back down and supercropped some of the next taller branches.. Then they got fed nutes and foliar spray. I cut two BB and two SSH bottom branches and put in a rooting container.
Still no sex from the three SSH and three BB. These three BB I've moved to a shed with a window to continue to veg until the weather is warm enough to plant. I may also take some clones from them if and when they show female preflowers. They are also LSTed and under a screen to keep them below line of vision but still get good sunlight in this south facing window.
Sorry, the photos sucked (blurry) so I'll not post them this week. I don't get this camera, one time the photos are out of focus, next time they are sharp.

Shov

[albatrossSKY]

sounds like its going well.
perhaps the camera problem is....your too close to focus. the lens can only be so close and still focus, try moving back some and put the macro setting on if your taking up close.
you probably already know that though.

[Shovelhandle]

yep, you are probably 100% correct (it's a tight area).

Thank you, Bub! :hippy:

[Shovelhandle]

Nine days into the bloom cycle. Plants are very healthy. The LST has helped the lower branches catch up and produce many bud sites. I see these nine plants putting out a pound of dry bud even if only one or two SSH are females.

Blueberry
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=217403&stc=1&d=1241533401
Mazar
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=217404&stc=1&d=1241533401
Super Silver Haze
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=217405&stc=1&d=1241533401

All nine plants under 400W HPS and T-5s
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=217406&stc=1&d=1241533401

Thanks for stopping by!

Sho

[jakezking]

For some reason every time I finish updating myself on your log I'm really hungry - your flippin' thread always gives me the munchies! Fantastic new pics, Shov!

[KillerBudG]

Looking good shov hope that you get your elbow off them. If you do smoke extra joint for me:jointsmile::thumbsup:



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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

Shov,

9 days and those girls look gorgeous as suspected. hope they come out of the closet soon so it's easy pickin's...be back in a few...take care bud

mgm

[dgsgandalf]

Looks great! I love seeing healthy plants growing well. I have a question about your SSH. Do you feed them any differently than the others? I've heard that they can be sensitive to nutes and tough to handle some times. I actually just popped some SSH seeds myself and want to know as much as i can about them before i get myself into any trouble.

I'll be watching this one for sure! Good luck!

[Shovelhandle]

I just updated only three days ago, but there has been new developements. The SSH finally showed sex. One female, two males. The males have been destroyed. Total of seven females this grow. Perfect!
Here are some photos...


The three Blueberry
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=217570&stc=1&d=1241794432

Three Mazar
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=217571&stc=1&d=1241794432

One Super Silver Haze female
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=217572&stc=1&d=1241794432

Male SSH
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=217573&stc=1&d=1241794432

All seven females, bath time.
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=217574&stc=1&d=1241794432

So far I've been feeding all the plants the same amount of nutes (see earlier post for list) The SSH is in a 5-6 gallon and all the others are in 3.5 gallon pails, I don't think the SSH is looking overfed at all, but I'll keep an eye out on it.

Thanks folks!

Sho

[camoxnhx]

Damn shovel... Always amazes me on how good you are as a grower and every time I view you logs and I expect amazing results and every time I'm in awe. Now a question I have for you is on the LST and the method you used. I'm currntly working on LST my Aurora Indica and I havent really found a good enough detailed method of doing it beside just bend your plants so I was woundering on the method you used. Also I have SSH beans and just woundering how it took to the LST.

[Shovelhandle]

I use solid electrical wire (#12 gauge, though #14 or #16 would be just as good). Cut into short lengths, I use them like pipe cleaners to hold the tips of the branches down to the edge of the pot or to the lower plant stem itself.

[greenatik]

great show shov :hippy:

SSH is the best smoke i've ever encountered, hands down. can't wait to see it finish out with the lst-ing you did to those bitches

i'll be watching... and posting :stoned:

[Shovelhandle]

thanks again, folks. LST or not, the SSH is growing well above the others. Should be interesting...

[Shovelhandle]

Here they are, day 18 of 12-12. Blooming nicely. SSH hadn't shown until less than a week ago. She is almost a foot over the others.

Here are the Blueberrys

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=217812&stc=1&d=1242314285

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http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=217814&stc=1&d=1242314285

[Shovelhandle]

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=217815&stc=1&d=1242314462

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=217816&stc=1&d=1242314462

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=217817&stc=1&d=1242314462

[Shovelhandle]

The lonely female...

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=217820&stc=1&d=1242314734

All together now.

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=217819&stc=1&d=1242314655

Shov

[headshake]

damn shove! very nice my friend. those are some bad bitches!

camo, what i did when i LST'd was used some landscaping wire, bent the plant over 90 degrees, and used the wire where it was bent to hold it that way. just make sure not to leave it on there as your ladies grow bigger! bad juju. also, i make U shapped pieces and and use them to hold the main stalk down and spread her open to get light penetration down deep.

sorry shov, didn't mean to step on any toes!

awesomely inspiring!


-shake

[Divestoned]

Dont you just love dirt grow's? Lookin good.

Dive:stoned:

[MerryPrankstr]

Lookin real good there.
Nice and bushy with lots of flowering nodes.

I'll be watch'n

MP

[Shovelhandle]

Plants are all doing well, fine and good.

Here is a Blueberry. I took some lower branches off as they would not be able to produce anything useful. For shits I put them into a jug of water to see if they root and perhaps finish outdoors. Doesn't cost to try.
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=218185&stc=1&d=1242738929

A shitty pic, Mazar. Smells nice and sweet, like my Bubblegum of afghani strains.
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=218186&stc=1&d=1242738929

The SSH had well over a foot on the rest of the bunch. For today I just wrapped some branches together. Tomorrow I'll likely train these long branches into 'arches'.
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=218187&stc=1&d=1242738929

An overhead view of the plantation after a morning sprinkle. ;)
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Shov

[fluid69]

the ladies are looking good man! won't be long now.

[Shovelhandle]

I think five weeks more for the BB and Mazar, seven or more for the SSH. They reall are just beginning!

Thanks for dropping in, fluid Bub! :hippy:

[cmasfca]

Looking good Shovel!

I'm going to start up some blackberry seeds I got from a very generous WH :thumbsup: in about a week.

Moving into a new house and am very excited for a big walk in closet haha. Going to ditch the aeroponics for a more evenly performing grow that gives the buffer that I need.

Keep them girls happy! :stoned:

[jakezking]

The SSH had well over a foot on the rest of the bunch. *** Tomorrow I'll likely train these long branches into 'arches'.

Shov

Wouldn't that make an incredible wedding arch to get married under? I've seen a show "My Big Fat Redneck Wedding" where the bride and groom marry under an arch made from empty Budweiser cans. You may have found a new niche, Shov, by forming intricately woven arches from growing sativas! That would be sweet! Sorry for that strange thought - was looking at some wedding pictures earlier; and, I'm not even stoned to have come up with that off-center idea!

Incredible plants by the way, my friend!

[Shovelhandle]

Just a mite stoned are we, Elvis? :jointsmile:

[KillerBudG]

Ladies looking good shov.:thumbsup: Keep it up man



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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[bigtopsfinn]

Those plants look so delicious :jointsmile:

[camoxnhx]

question.. how sticky is the Mazar to the touch? The BB is a beauty... but the SSH has me hypnotized :computerlove1:

[Shovelhandle]

Sticky? well they are only three weeks into bloom (when photo taken) but both the Mazar and the Blueberry are frosting up. If I wanted to 'feel their sticky" I'd have to rub the trichomes, which would break them. I don't do that. I hardly handle the pot until I break it up for a joint. Same for 'smell this!' and rubbing the pot leaves or bud.

I will try and get nice close ups of the trics this week. As far as smell, they are all pretty mild, at the moment. This is very good. ;)

Shov

[camoxnhx]

I never thought about that breaking the trichs. Well it's always nice sewing a grow log with a strain I'm growing. Hope I hve as good as a out come as you. My last mazar got bud rot so the little bit I smoke was amazing this time I crossing for no bud rot!

[Weedhound]

hi shov just checking in

[Shovelhandle]

Best wishes for a good day.

Day 27

Pics under the HPS. Poor color rendition, but you'll get the idea...

These are from the Mazar and/or Blueberry. The SSH pic didn't come out too good. <G>

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=218450&stc=1&d=1243087164

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Outdoors there are two male and one female Blueberry. They are just starting to bloom. Males have pretty purple flowers.

Sho

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

those ladies are looking fantastic shov
BB have some beautiful color and those mazars look like nice producers.
i know it'll be a while for that ssh so no worries about the pic, it'll look better later on anyway :thumbsup:

hope all is well my friend, and you (along with all viewers) have a wonderful holiday weekend. take care, bbs

mgm

[Shovelhandle]

Another 3-4 weeks for the Mazar, 4-5 for the Blueberry and 4-6 weeks for the Super Silver Haze.

Photo of the SSH. I had to train a few of the taller branches as they were 18" above the other strains. The buds are many but small in size yet. They have plenty of time though.

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=218774&stc=1&d=1243350458

My oh my, one of the Blueberry plants is smelling like blueberry already. I don't have a very good sniffer, so that is pretty amazing. Also, as a mythbuster experiment I poured a two ounce bottle of blue food coloring (blueberry concentrate) into one of the plant pails to see if the plant picks up any of the color, odor. I have not 'sniffed' this plant yet, so I have to get to that sometime soon. The other two BB have no coloring. It's been a claim by some that you can effect the pot's color, odor and taste with fruit juices, coloring, etc. So, we will see...

Shov

[McToker]

It will be quite interesting to see if the food coloring actually has an influence on the bud color. I don't think I would have ever thought of that. Even if it has no effect on the potency, who doesn't like a bit of color in their garden?;)

[Shovelhandle]

I didn't think of this. lol But if this 'dye' doesn't show up in the flowers then I don't think Koolade or fruit juice is going to do it.

[jakezking]

I'll have to look into that food coloring concept, and I'm looking forward to seeing your results/take on it. Aside from that, your plants are looking as good as always; even under the HPS, those buds are looking mighty sweet! I'd like to see how your outdoor beauties are looking too on your next photo op.

Hope all else is well in your world, Shov.

[headshake]

interesting experiment shove. i've heard of people sparying fruit puree onto their ladies. i would think that might clog the stomata. don't know.

the ladies are looking awesome!


-shake

[Shovelhandle]

actually, the whole idea of adulterating the weed is wrong, imo. So far it seems that the coloring has done nothing at all.

The outdoor plants look good, my photos sucked. :(
The female has her leaves pointing straight up (before the three days of rain we're seeing).

[Shovelhandle]

Three Blueberry...

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[Shovelhandle]

Three Mazar...

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[Shovelhandle]

One SSH and a grow photo...

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Shov

[evilgunny]

Hey man, nice looking buds! I always was under the impression that blueberry was a strain that didn't produce well. Those BB at day 34 though don't look tiny at all IMO. Nice work.

As far as the flavoring/coloring goes, I believe you are supposed to wait until the last watering to add. I think the way it was described was you are supposed to let the plant dry out a bit more than usual, then add a good deal of concentrate to the water, and then harvest within an hour or two. I think the reason behind the quick harvest was because the plants break down the flavoring quickly. I tried looking for a link, but couldn't find it. Hope this helps :)

[Shovelhandle]

I woke up to signs of the borg yesterday! Just a few leaves with the suck-spots. I treated the plants with Safer organic insecticidal soap. Only problem was slight leaf burn and pistil burns directly under the lamp, otherwise OK.

Blueberry (berry smell pheno)

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=219315&stc=1&d=1243895475

Mazar bud, frosty but mild smell.

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[headshake]

can you say trich city?! holy hell! that's definitely a place that i want to visit!

nice buds shove.


-shake

[JD1stTimer]

I would think the easiest way to get color into them would be as soon as you cut them, put the cut stems into vases full of colored water and it will go up the stems. I used to do that with carnations, and you could even split the stem into sections, put each section in a different color and get a flower with different sections of color in the petals. The coloring was never really noticeable on green parts of the plant though, only in the white petals.

Putting it in the soil I would suspect may not work if the roots don't absorb it through the cell walls. With cut stems it's just an actual series of tubes running up the stem, and they are open-ended instead of having to go through a membrane.

Is food coloring safe for inhalation/smoking though?

[Shovelhandle]

is food color safe? it it pure natural blueberry concentrate so I don't think that it can harm anything being put into the soil any more than oj or koolade (other things I've hear peple claim effect plant flavors). I doubt if it's flavor or color will effect the buds at all. Other than proving that, I dont' really want to try any other kinds of adulteration experiments. Thanks though, I had seen the flower in the food color thing before.

[perpetr8r]

Plants look amazing Shov! Our blueberries look like sisters :)

:thumbsup:

[cmasfca]

Usually if I am just irking for a complimenting taste to a certain strain of herb I select a blunt of the flavor I'm looking for and get fucked up that way. But hey, you could just eat some blueberry pancakes beforehand :thumbsup: :stoned:

[Shovelhandle]

hi cmasfca some creative thinking there...
Blunt wraps? I've never tried one. Same for vaporizers. I haven't had a bong hit since I can't remember when either. Strickly zig-zags and small pipes. :stoned:

[McToker]

Blunt wraps? I've never tried one. Same for vaporizers. I haven't had a bong hit since I can't remember when either. Strickly zig-zags and small pipes. :stoned:

Same here Shov. Old School I guess. Or, in my case, just old. I don't text or twitter either.:D

Seriously though. Those buds are down right gorgeous.:thumbsup:

[Divestoned]

Yup paper's an pipe's. lookin good shov.

Dive:stoned:

[cmasfca]

If I'm up in my room I will vape but if I'm downstairs I'll whip out the bubbler or the bong.

Although once a day at least I'll have a joint :jointsmile:

[bluntpasser]

This is some very fine work. i would be happy if my blueberry was half as good as yours.:thumbsup:

[BeFree]

Wooo yeah Shov!!

I remember drooling over your logs when I was a wee lurker still too afraid to register. Blueberry being your 'smoke of the decade'. Though I could be wrong, just going with the information doing with your 2 and 3 year old Blueberry logs.

In all actuality, because of your logs, I've devoted myself to housing a dutch passion blueberry Mom when the opportunity presents itself.

If I could, I would first hand, face to face, congratulate you on being such a helpful person around these forums, (and others).

Keep up the hard ass work, bud. :jointsmile:

Even though the hard part is understanding the importance of a concrete floor with a drain in it.

besafe, befree

[headshake]

cigarillos, wraps, pipes, papers, knife hits, gravity bongs, regular bongs i love em all! i don't discriminate!

lol.


-shake

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

hey shov

has this thread been halted in some way? i'm interested in seeing how those girls are looking, think they should be coming up on day 65? hope all is well my friend.


mgm

[Shovelhandle]

update.

three mazar and two blueberry went 70 days and are drying. the last bb is going to harvest tomorrow (11 weeks) with 50% amber trics. Super Siver Haze is still going gangbusters, probably will go 12-13 weeks.

Blueberry

Sorry, the photo utility is stalling and i can't upload my pictures. This is why I haven't been updating or posting any new stuff. Too much trouble with this internet site.

[jakezking]

Shov, I hope all's well up there, my friend. It's been too long since I've seen your moniker and even longer since I've seen your beautiful plants. I'm sorry to see the host server was too dang slow to keep up with your latest pic post attempt. I'd love to see some drying/curing photos, as well as see how that SSH is doing!

My best to you and yours. I hope to see you around!

[Shovelhandle]

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[McToker]

I know how you feel shov. I've been getting the same upload failures today.:(

[Shovelhandle]

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http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=222947&stc=1&d=1247533625

This Blueberry was harvested on day 77. :)

[Shovelhandle]

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[Italiano715]

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As beautiful as the ladies are, I can't help but to keep lookin beyond that at the beautiful land behind the cannabis plant. :D

Must be nice to have all that wonderful untainted land!

Nice plants by the way!!

[Shovelhandle]

SSH is still growing at day 80. Probably another week or two to go.



http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=222953&stc=1&d=1247534927

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[michaelpeg]

wow man those look really good, better than most that i have seen. they are so huge

[McToker]

I'm sure glad the photo uploads are working again. That Blueberry is awesome.:thumbsup: I don't think I've ever seen a bud quite like the SSH. Very interesting.:jointsmile::thumbsup:

[ledtime]

Very nice plants!!!

I did have a few questions for you. I'm a newbie, so please bare with me.

What nutrients do you use? Strength? Frequency? I see that you foliar spray too. What do you spray with and how often?

How often you do check your PH?

[bluntpasser]

you continue to set the bar for growers on this website...outstanding...:thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

Very nice plants!!!

I did have a few questions for you. I'm a newbie, so please bare with me.

What nutrients do you use? Strength? Frequency? I see that you foliar spray too. What do you spray with and how often?

How often you do check your PH?

good questions.
I've used BC Technaflora organic nutrients (the starter kit is a good deal) with good results. I actually use their Root 66, a mild fertilizer for seedlings and clones, as a foliar feed along with the Thrive Alive B1 Green.

This grow I used three part Fox Farm Soil nutrients with Advance Nutrient's Overdrive, a bloom excellerator.

I also use Brer Rabbit Blackstrap molasses (1-2 Tbs/gal).
I have a three step feeding schedule.
1) Nutes, water, molasses
2) water, molasses
3) just water
repeat
I foilar spray during veg every feeding. You do have to watch spraying under hot lights though. The bulb can bust if it gets wet and the plants can burn if they get too close to the hot lamps. I often remove the plants from the grow lights and spray them all, look 'em all over good before I put them back under the lights.

To keep healthy plants in soil I think it's imortant to keep the pot sized to the plant. Small pot for young plants, then transplant into largert and larger pots as the roots fill each pot. (don't put seedlings into a 5 gallon pot) And use just enough water that the pot dries out in 2-3 days, don't overwater. If you water too little and it needs more a day later, that's ok but if you overwater and the soil stays wet for a week, two weeks, that's un-good.

My water ph is 7, my soil run off is 7. That's how it started and that's what it is at now. I do not adjust ph at this time. I will add more peat moss (and less dolomite lime) to my soil mix next batch. That's all.

I do not "flush" but I do give them a big drink of water a week or more before harvest and then let them dry out good. The herb is nice and mild tasting even before curing.

[McToker]

I also use Brer Rabbit Blackstrap molasses (1-2 Tbs/gal).
I have a three step feeding schedule.
1) Nutes, water, molasses
2) water, molasses
3) just water
repeat


Thanks shov. Guess I need to add more molasses than I've been using.:thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

well, that is a little 'sweet' but how much water to you average per plant?
In 3.5 gallon pails that have been established (been in the pot for over two weeks) I'll use a quart of water per feeding. They take more in the middle of the veg/blom cycle (as much as 2 quarts) and less as the leaves drop off later in bloom. I like to see the plants go dry (need watering) every 2-3 days. This is just how I like to do it. Your results may be different.

My brother had the same plants, same soil, same light, just slightly cooler, yet a comfortable temperature yet he put his plants in 5 gallon pails and overwaterd to the point that they didn't need watering for weeks. This really effected his grow. The plants finished three weeks earlier and had a fraction of the yeild and the quality was off (due to the shorter grow = less trichomes). Water less quantity but more often.

.02

[McToker]

I'm using a soil-less mix of perlite and vermiculite rather than soil in 2 1/2 and 3 quart containers. The plants, at 5 weeks into flower, are taking almost a quart of water every 3 days.

I probably won't add quite as much molasses as you do but I will start adding more. I use a large bamboo skewer as a stir stick when mixing nutes. I've been just dipping the stick about 1 1/2 inches into the molasses and stirring it into a gallon pitcher. Hard to say exactly how much molasses it is but certainly far less than the 1 to 2 TBS you mentioned.

Having watched several of your grows and, most of all, seeing the results, your :twocents: are considered pearls of wisdom 'round these parts.:thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

Huh..... .. .
Molasses is for the benefit of the soil's microbial bacterials and such. I don't know all the science of it but I would guess that soiless growing may be a lot different.

[Shovelhandle]

pearls of wisdom, not. I just try to follow good instructions myself. :thumbsup:

[McToker]

I guess I'm just more used to growing in soil. A quick search found most of the complaints for use in hydro pertained to algea growth (in the reservior) and clogged tubes and pumps. No pumps or tubes in my grow. Guess I'll just keep using the very small amount I've been using and I'm using Sweet, as well.

I was just going by Cervantes' statement that adding sugar (mollassas) during the last 6 weeks can enhance bud weight by 20%.:)

[WhiskeyTango]

everyone is wondering what happend to ya "oever there" buddy! Glads to see its not something bad...I hope...
good vibes

[Shovelhandle]

Rear basket has 3.5 oz Mazar, other two are 1.5, 1.8 oz Blueberry

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over there I got pissed with an admin, no big deal.

[bluntpasser]

Those pics are incredible...Hope the blueberry keeps your days stress free..It has that affect on me at least..:thumbsup:

[irydyum]

Glad to see you enjoying the fruits of your labor over here to shov. All looks tasty, how long you got left on the SSH?

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

Hey shov, good to see ya back. Those day 68 pics are beautiful, buds look very dense and filled out on the BB/Mazar. SSH looks awesome, still got some time left i see. Nice numbers on the harvest as well. always a pleasure watching your grows. Guess ill check back in a week or so and get the update on the SSH. Til then take care big guy.

mgm

[Shovelhandle]

Thanks
I still have the largest and nicest (fruit smelly pheno) BB drying. The SSH will be done in a week.

[jakezking]

Shov, it's always nice to see your Blueberry. I'm glad to see all's well in your back yard - are those outside now, or are they just models posing in an outdoor photo shoot? No matter, they're cover shot worthy.

It's good to see you, my friend. I hope all's been and will be well.

[greenatik]

wow shov. nice plants, nice buds, nice shots :stoned:

your SSH will be done in a week? looks to be a really hazey pheno i've read some of them can go well into 100+ days. just thought id pass the info!

can't wait for some more pics :D :thumbsup:

[ledtime]

good questions.
I've used BC Technaflora organic nutrients (the starter kit is a good deal) with good results. I actually use their Root 66, a mild fertilizer for seedlings and clones, as a foliar feed along with the Thrive Alive B1 Green.

This grow I used three part Fox Farm Soil nutrients with Advance Nutrient's Overdrive, a bloom excellerator.

I also use Brer Rabbit Blackstrap molasses (1-2 Tbs/gal).
I have a three step feeding schedule.
1) Nutes, water, molasses
2) water, molasses
3) just water
repeat
I foilar spray during veg every feeding. You do have to watch spraying under hot lights though. The bulb can bust if it gets wet and the plants can burn if they get too close to the hot lamps. I often remove the plants from the grow lights and spray them all, look 'em all over good before I put them back under the lights.

To keep healthy plants in soil I think it's imortant to keep the pot sized to the plant. Small pot for young plants, then transplant into largert and larger pots as the roots fill each pot. (don't put seedlings into a 5 gallon pot) And use just enough water that the pot dries out in 2-3 days, don't overwater. If you water too little and it needs more a day later, that's ok but if you overwater and the soil stays wet for a week, two weeks, that's un-good.

My water ph is 7, my soil run off is 7. That's how it started and that's what it is at now. I do not adjust ph at this time. I will add more peat moss (and less dolomite lime) to my soil mix next batch. That's all.

I do not "flush" but I do give them a big drink of water a week or more before harvest and then let them dry out good. The herb is nice and mild tasting even before curing.

Shov,

What strength do you use the route 66 and TA for the foliar feeding?

At what strength are you using the FF nutes? By their label?

Do you use molasses all the way through? Even during veg?

I ordered up the FF nutrient kit with the three quarts. Good deal.

Thanks in advance for your help and time!

L

[Shovelhandle]

just a drop or two of TA and R66 in a spray bottle of water.

pretty much by the labels

yes, molasses during veg too. Even in the soil I work before I plant.

[Shovelhandle]

At week 13, although they didn't show sex until week 2. Very decent looking yeild. Will follow up with photo and weights soon.

[Shovelhandle]

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[Shovelhandle]

I polinated one little side bud, Super Silver Haze with Blueberry pollen. It produced 21 mature, spotted seeds. I plan to grow out and seed two generations and see. The herb from this bud is a trip down memory lane of the good Mexican and Colombian gold sativa taste and a head-ringing buzz.

[bluntpasser]

im sure that super silver haze is making ur head buzz. the last time i smoked it i felt like i had just kissed a girl for the first time...it got me so high i was just smiling and closing my eyes.....enjoy the super shov..u deserve it buddy.

[Italiano715]

im sure that super silver haze is making ur head buzz. the last time i smoked it i felt like i had just kissed a girl for the first time...it got me so high i was just smiling and closing my eyes.....enjoy the super shov..u deserve it buddy.

I too enjoyed my silver haze! Gave me a NICE energetic high, even made me geek out for awhile. I swear I couldn't keep a straight face for shit! Enjoy it m8!

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

BBxSsH should be quite a treat, good thinking. nice job on the log, a pleasure viewing as always. make sure to write of the SuperBlueberry's outcome.

take care,

mgm

[fourkicks]

nice buds,you the man..

[Shovelhandle]

thanks

I'll keep logs or updates here as long as the site works ok. It will be a couple of generations before a solid mother can be selected. I'm even more exicited about the planned Z10 x bubblegum hybrid and a blueberry x bubblegum hybrid. And I still have a Neville's Haze 18 pack on deck. So much to do, and people look at me crazy when I turn down their cuts. I grow in a one square meter area. :stoned:

As far as initial smoke reports on the popcorn buds, things are very good.

SSH - tastes like good old mexican sinsemilla 'Gold'. Nice crazy buzz.

Blueberry - very stoney and long lasting. One of the phenos is like a double dose of blueberry stoney goodness and sweet stickyness.

Mazar - Very decent rich smoke. Heavy stoney buzz.

[fourkicks]

cant wait to see your results

[Shovelhandle]

Two and a half oz of Super Silver Haze

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Five oz of Blueberry

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Four and a half oz of Mazar

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Mazar is pretty much all cured and is a very nice tasting smoke with a heavy couch-lock stone. The Blueberry is not cured yet but samples are tasty and probably stonier than the Mazar and has a good head buzz. The SSH is still curing also and I've not smoked it but once. I'm psyched though as the taste is very exotic and it seems to have a trippy buzz.

[greenatik]

very nice pull shov. can't wait to hear the full report on SSH
:thumbsup:

[fourkicks]

expect your friends to call alot more over the coming weeks.. ENJOY!

[jakezking]

Shov - WOW! It's been awhile since I've been here, and now I see the incredible haul from your plants! That has to be nice - having jars of those fine genetics just calling your name, and having the pleasure of selecting a different one each time - maybe even mixing some together.

I really can't wait for the crosses you've made. Those really have some sweet potential!

Keep up the always outstanding work, my friend!

[Shovelhandle]

Mazar
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=226943&stc=1&d=1252356557

Blueberry
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=226945&stc=1&d=1252356557

Super Silver Haze
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=226944&stc=1&d=1252356557

Some great smokes here, guys. I've got very little Blueberry left, lots of Mazar and Haze. It's all good. :smokin:

[jakezking]

Those buds sure do look sweet and tasty! From your descriptions they sound pretty dang good too! Have you started beans for your Z10 x Bubblegum cross? Where does the Z10 come from - I haven't heard of it before?

I hope all's well - have to run to lunch now - munchies from viewing your post!

[Shovelhandle]

Hey, King. How you be?

I hope to pollenate the Z10 and a Blueberry with Bubblegum pollen TOMORROW. Then it will have to wait a month for seeds to ripen.

The Z-10 came from an uncontrolled pollenation of Afghani type Indica (bag seed) with either Bubblegum or Afghani Dream x BOG Medley or selfed. The name "Z-10" is from the 13 females grown out, each numbered from 1-13. This hybrid is identical to my Bubblegum strain so I wanted to cross back to the BG for hybrid vigor and to create a new Bubblegum type strain, which is one of our all time favorites around here. My brother grew a couple of very nice BG this past Spring and it is as good or better than his Cranberry Kush x Trainwreck, Da Purps or the Blueberry we both grew out.
If and when I do get a seeds from these two Z-10 I will probably grow them out and breed select males and females. I will eventually have to come up with a name for this hybrid. The most distinguishing trait of the Z-10 (and this BG strain) is it's odor. To me it smells like sweet, floral hotel soap or a sachet used to keep yer granny's underwear drawer stinkin' pretty. But, I doubt if I'll give it a frilly, girly name. I'm stcuk at this point, but no rush...

[headshake]

looking great shove, as always. can't wait to see what your breeding projects produce!

oh, and i know you don't have rep enabled, but can you still check it? if not hit me back. got a few ?s for ya.

the breeding projects sound amazing by the way!


-shake

[WhiskeyTango]

Hey, King. How you be?

I hope to pollenate the Z10 and a Blueberry with Bubblegum pollen TOMORROW. Then it will have to wait a month for seeds to ripen.

The Z-10 came from an uncontrolled pollenation of Afghani type Indica (bag seed) with either Bubblegum or Afghani Dream x BOG Medley or selfed. The name "Z-10" is from the 13 females grown out, each numbered from 1-13. This hybrid is identical to my Bubblegum strain so I wanted to cross back to the BG for hybrid vigor and to create a new Bubblegum type strain, which is one of our all time favorites around here. My brother grew a couple of very nice BG this past Spring and it is as good or better than his Cranberry Kush x Trainwreck, Da Purps or the Blueberry we both grew out.
If and when I do get a seeds from these two Z-10 I will probably grow them out and breed select males and females. I will eventually have to come up with a name for this hybrid. The most distinguishing trait of the Z-10 (and this BG strain) is it's odor. To me it smells like sweet, floral hotel soap or a sachet used to keep yer granny's underwear drawer stinkin' pretty. But, I doubt if I'll give it a frilly, girly name. I'm stcuk at this point, but no rush...
remember us little folk when you make that cross!!!!!!.....lol. I have been waiting to do a BG cross till I could POSSIBLY get a hold of your BG instead of a seedbanks shitty bg.....heh

good vibes