Senate Bill 5615 Status

[schmedrickk]

Senate Bill 5615 has Passed the Senate Judiciary Committee

Reclassifying possession of forty grams or less of marijuana from a misdemeanor to a class 2 civil infraction

The website has not been updated as of this morning but I saw it on TV last night, the committee approved with a DO PASS vote

SB 5615 - 2009-10 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5615&year=2009)


:)

[tyler2319]

seriosuly they passed it? when does it take affect?ive been following that on the norml website so does this mean its decrimnalized how?

[schmedrickk]

We still have a ways to go before the bill is actually passed, we are only about 30% there so far. Here is the process, the bold line is where the Senate bill is today. But it also has to pass the House as well, more on that further down below.

How a Bill Becomes a Law

1. A bill may be introduced in either the Senate or House of Representatives by a member.

2. It is referred to a committee for a hearing. The committee studies the bill and may hold public hearings on it. It can then pass, reject or take no action on the bill.

3. The committee report on the passed bill is read in open session of the House or Senate, and the bill is then referred to the Rules Committee.

4. The Rules Committee can either place the bill on the second reading of the calendar for debate before the entire body, or take no action.

5. At the second reading, a bill is subject to debate and amendment before being placed on the third reading calendar for final passage.

6. After passing one house, the bill goes through the same procedure in the other house.

7. If amendments are made, the other house must approve the changes.

8. When the bill is accepted in both houses, it is signed by the respective leaders and sent to the governor.

9. The governor signs the bill into law or may veto all or part of it. If the governor fails to act on the bill, it may become law without a signature.

The website for this Bill has been updated today

SB 5615 - 2009-10 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5615&year=2009)


House Bill

Now for the not so good part. Rumor is the Chariman of the Public Safety & Emergency Preparedness Committee is against the passing of the bills and will try to block it. He has said if it clears channels with the Senate he will hear it but that doesn't mean he will pass it. Hopefully the Senate will be able to force him to hear it, and there will be enough PRO voters behind it that they can override him. I am not all that up to speed on the Legislative process so I am not sure what all of the options are.

If you take a look at this website you will see the House Bill has been hung up in channels since January 14th.

HB 1177 - 2009-10 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=1177&year=2009)


We're still alive but somewhat in Limbo at the same time


:stoned:

[seattlesmoke247]

This would be amazing, would take a lot of stress out of my life.

[gypski]

Great googa mooga good things are in the wind!!! :thumbsup: This is more like fining you for being stupid. :jointsmile: Now, if they would just take care of those drivers still talking holding a phone while driving. Far more dangerous then a cannabis smoker. :D $101 fine people!!!!

[JeremyM]

Here a link to the TVW footage of the original SB 5615 hearing

SB 5615 hearing starts 1:32 into it
http://www.tvw.org/media/mediaplayer.cfm?evid=2009020104&TYPE=V&CFID=2052083&CFTOKEN=65293456&bhcp=1

Jeremy Miller
Olympia Patient Resource Center
2747 Pacific Ave SE Ste B-19
Olympia, WA, 98501
360-456-3517
http://www.olympiapatientresourcecenter.com ([URL="http://www.olympiapatientresourcecenter.com)
[url=http://www.olyhempfest.com

[schmedrickk]

Nice, I found some more information on this. It appears only one Bill will go forward, and according to this, if the Senate passes their bill, the House will "typically" agree to it. I am still somewhat skeptical of this explanation but it sounds good anyway, lol


Q:â?�What happens to an approved Senate bill with respect to an identical House bill? If the House version is defeated, does the bill end?â?�

This is a great legislative process question. Let me rephrase it: What are companion bills and how do they work?


The usual legislative process is that either the House or Senate introduces a bill, they pass it, it goes to the other chamber, etc. etc. In this process, weâ??re talking about a single bill that goes back and forth between the chambers one chamber at a time.

Another common route is that two identical companion bills are introduced simultaneously. A representative introduces a House bill in the House (e.g. â??H.R. 1234″) and around the same time a senators introduces a Senate bill in the Senate (e.g. â??S. 5678″). This is useful because both chambers can consider the bill simultaneously, though they may end up proposing different sets of amendments and working up different consensuses.

The bottom line here to remember is that these two bills are, procedurally speaking, entirely separate. That means both have a life of their own, both could bounce back and forth between the chambers until one (or both!) are passed. (Of course, never would Congress actually pass two identical bills.) Both have a life of their own, and a death of their own. If one comes to a vote and is defeated, the other bill lives on. But, say it was the Senate version that was defeated, the House bill is probably not going to come up for a vote because our lawmakers know what will happen in the Senate: it will probably be defeated too.

Typically, the House and Senate will each vote on their own bills with a roll call vote. Then only one of the two bills is pushed forward. That bill goes to the other chamber. Say it was the Senate bill that goes forward: it then goes to the House. If the Senate bill remained identical with the House bill after any amendments both chambers may have made to their own bills, the House will then typically approve the vote via voice vote (or unanimous consent in the Senate), where the position of each Member is not kept: they are already on record on their own bill where they took a full vote. If substantial changes were made, they may or may not conduct a roll call vote.

If the House version is defeated, does the Senate bill die too? : GovTrack.us (http://www.govtrack.us/blog/2008/10/17/if-the-house-version-is-defeated-does-the-senate-bill-die-too)

:rasta:

[killerweed420]

Even if it don't pass its good to see more and more people are beginning to understand the governments demonization of cannabis and its slowly forcing change.

[Wolf420]

Ok so it's April now, what is up with these bills? Did they pass or no? I don't understand alot of the lingo on the links to the bills.

[jackmillions]

Ok so it's April now, what is up with these bills? Did they pass or no? I don't understand alot of the lingo on the links to the bills.

It died.

Here was what the bills were about:
Here's my quick read. This is a very simplified summary, and I don't play a lawyer on TV. All the points are in order, as they appear in the bill.



Under 18, posession of less than 40 grams of MJ = misdemeanor.
Over 18, posession of less than 40 grams of MJ = class 2 civil infraction (all other drug laws still apply i.e. making meth is very illegal MmmK).
2nd offense punishable by twice the normal sentence (I'm not sure if this also applies to minors in posession).
Convictions that occured prior to passing of this bill will count as a first offense, except in such cases that the prior conviction was for posession of MJ less than 40 grams.
This bill pretty much makes everything associated with MJ a class 2 civil infraction (as described above, less than 40 grams). That includes planting, growing, manufacturing, ingest, inhale, etc.
It is still a misdemeanor to sell, give, trade, deliver, intent to deliver, etc MJ. No exemptions that I saw.
It is a gross misdemeanor for a person to give MJ or paraphernalia to a person under 18, if the person giving it is 21 (technically 3 years older, so they could also mean a 16yo giving to a 12 yo). This makes sense, they want some protection for minors.
Placing an advertisment for paraphernalia in any news publication is a misdemeanor (wierd one, maybe ads for "Tabacco water pipes" would ok hehe).
Posessing sterile needles is ok (sounds like harm reduction items).
Fine for class 2 civil infraction is $100.
All money goes to a "criminal justice treatment account." I'm guessing this goes for things like treatment, special drug courts, etc, but I'm not really sure.



The rest is all about officer behavior in regards to other stuff, specifically when an officer can arrest, detain, act, etc. This does not seem to be targeted at MJ, rather officer behavior in general.



When someone is commiting a misdemeanor.
When a restraining order is violated.
When a foreign protection order is violated
When a 16yo, or older, assaults a family member.
When specific traffic laws are broken (i.e. reckless driving, hit and run, etc).
Reckless boating.
When one officer sees traffic infraction, another officer may act upon the first officer's first hand knowledge.
Indecent exposure.
Anti-herassment order violation.
When someone interfers with a medical clinic (I see this as directed to abortion protesters).
Illegal posession of firearm.

[Wolf420]

Thanks Jack! I saw something on it that said about X file in one of them so wasn't sure what that meant

[killerweed420]

Anybody knows what "Senate rules X file" means?

SB 5615 - 2009-10 (What is this?)

Reclassifying possession of forty grams or less of marijuana from a misdemeanor to a class 2 civil infraction.
Go to documents...

History of Bill
as of Tuesday, April 7, 2009 12:25 PM

Sponsors: Senators Kohl-Welles, Kline, McDermott, Murray
Companion Bill: HB 1177

2009 REGULAR SESSION
Jan 27 First reading, referred to Judiciary. (View Original Bill)
Feb 10 Public hearing in the Senate Committee on Judiciary at 10:00 AM.
Feb 18 Executive action taken in the Senate Committee on Judiciary at 3:30 PM.
Feb 19 JUD - Majority; do pass.
Minority; do not pass.
Passed to Rules Committee for second reading.
Mar 25 Senate Rules "X" file.

[gypski]

X usually means something is crossed off or removed, deleted from the list. Or maybe its a blackhole in the rules committee. :(

[schmedrickk]

Yep, those Putz's in the Rules Committee killed the Bill SB 5615. I guess they figured they will make more money by throwing people in jail for simple posession, and hitting them up with huge court fines. Truth be known they probably will make more money that way, as compared to the cost of incarceration, or what they would have collected if simple posession were only a Civil Infraction. Washington State is supposed to be known as a trend setting state, but they really dropped the ball on everyone when they killed that bill.

Regarding the "X Files", here is what it means:

The House and Senate Rules Committees may place bills that will go no further in the process on the "X-file."

Glossary of Legislative Terms (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/glossary.aspx#X)


:mad:

[gypski]

Still time to revive this bill. :jointsmile: I guess since the state is going broke, they will need the extra monies brought in from fines to help balance the budget. But, anyone with common sense knows the cost benefits to the state are in the negative direction. We the people are beginning to be or have been tired of the games the politicians play with our lives, our money, our security, and our well being. They have failed us and all you need to do is look around you and read the paper or watch the news. They have mismanaged everything and they will also mismanage cannabis if allowed. Pass the damn bill and go get your criminal politicos. Do something positive for ordinary people for a change :thumbsup:

[killerweed420]

Being in a liberal state, not much chance of bill passing that actually saves citizens money. They're already talking anothe .06 sales tax increase and start ing a stste income tax. They say they're just going to tax people making over $250,000 a year. But we know how that goes. They'll keep lowering the rate till everyone is paying.

[sandybarr]

Criminal justice is out of control here in Washington.They have refused to adopt policies that reflect the make up of this state.We are liberal by a large margin,but yet we have a conservative criminal justice system for no other reason than to pack the blue pages with law enforcement jobs we don't need.

Criminal Justice gets 70 percent of King county funding,and they bitched at that amount.They used to get 74 percent.The cities have annexed more and more area,and King County has less area to cover.They were on a growth pattern to take all of the King County budget by the year 2009,but they were leveled off at 74 percent.When they werent allowed to continue growth the sheriff said she could not protect property crimes even though she had less area to patrol.

The State starts taking federal grant money on the condition that we enforce a federal drug control policy and put the feds in charge secretly,then the feds pull the funding and the state restores it.Now the state pays 70 percent of the job of undermining the medical marijuana law,while the feds are in charge.
Agreements attached

[schmedrickk]

Criminal justice is out of control here in Washington.They have refused to adopt policies that reflect the make up of this state.We are liberal by a large margin,but yet we have a conservative criminal justice system for no other reason than to pack the blue pages with law enforcement jobs we don't need.

Criminal Justice gets 70 percent of King county funding,and they bitched at that amount.They used to get 74 percent.The cities have annexed more and more area,and King County has less area to cover.They were on a growth pattern to take all of the King County budget by the year 2009,but they were leveled off at 74 percent.When they werent allowed to continue growth the sheriff said she could not protect property crimes even though she had less area to patrol.

The State starts taking federal grant money on the condition that we enforce a federal drug control policy and put the feds in charge secretly,then the feds pull the funding and the state restores it.Now the state pays 70 percent of the job of undermining the medical marijuana law,while the feds are in charge.
Agreements attached


It appears that the attached agreement has expired, am I missing something?

The term of the Agreement/Addendum shall be from the date of signature by representatives of both parties through September 29. 2007.

Date Submitted: 4-13-07


:wtf:

[sandybarr]

The agreement remains intact until it is amended or WSP gives a written 30 day notice.

[sandybarr]

Notice the statement of assurances #18 to uphold all federal laws.They have to agree to uphold all federal laws as a condition on getting federal grants.



The TNET interlocal agreement also spells out that they work for the DEA.

http://www.ci.bonney-lake.wa.us/UserFiles/File/Government_Downloads/City_Council/Resolutions/Interlocal/Res959.pdf

[sandybarr]

There are two public disclosure lawsuits filed right now where the state counter drug programs claim they work for the department of justice and are subject only to FOIA.




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Re: Request for Information, Documents and/or Records



Dear Public Disclosure Officer:



Pursuant to Washington Public records Act, RCW 42.56 et seq., I am requesting information, documents and/or records relating to:



1. I am requesting the written records of WSP Officer Fred Bjornberg regarding a knock and talk procedure, and follow up search warrant that was executed at 9558534896896026-868826-6
2. I am asking for all materials given to West Net Detective Roy Alloway that was used to get a search warrant by telephone, from Kitsap County Judge Theodore Spearman for my residence on January 12 2007.

3. I am also requesting any copies of Medical records that were seized at my house on January 12 2007.

Thank you for considering my request.

[gypski]

On an other note.......It looks like it will be another year before any major legislative changes happen with medical marijuana in Washington. And then, there will only 60 days to get anything done. Sometimes it seems like its pissing into the wind to get anything really constructive done when it comes to actually helping people.

Also, full legalization and the taxes it would bring in could go to fund medical insurance for the low income, seniors and other needy people to supplement Medicaid and Medicare, rather then squandered in the general fund. But, we shouldn't hold our collective breaths that our elected officials having anything like such in their minds. They can't figure out how to dig themselves out of the hole they've dug already.

Finally, Sandy post some information that is current. Thanks. :twocents:

[sandybarr]

If The BOP decdes marijuana no longer meets the criteria for schedule 1,then it would force the legislatures hand.The Gov and the legislature know this that is why they will dispatch the Red haired red faced Brian Peyton to hover over the Board to make sure they make a political ruling.Then it will be on to the Governor on Appeal to exhaust administrative remedies then of to King County Superior court where stranger things could happen.When this case gets higher up the legislature will have to change the schedule 1 test to avoid the legal decision.

However A lot has changed since marijuana was put into schedule 1.Marinol,The federal patients getting pot,the state medical marijuana laws,the government ptented marijuana.etc.That is why they have been avoiding this at all costs.They don't have the science or any other reason to justify any schedule let alone schedule 1.

To bad our movement leader Switzerland exporters, clone clearing house, pot clubers were too busy trying to retire off of MMJ to start this battle years ago like they should have.

They Governments hand will be forced by a 786 dollar a month social security receipiant.lololololololololol David is going to hit Goliath upside the temple with a stone in 2010,while the notorious movement leaders are counting their profits and planning their vacations.

[killerweed420]

There are two public disclosure lawsuits filed right now where the state counter drug programs claim they work for the department of justice and are subject only to FOIA.
Subject: RE: PUBLIC DISCLOSURE REQUEST PD-08-1055-0028
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:13:36 -0800
From: [email protected]
To:
Dear Mr.
The Washington State Patrol has completed researching your below request. The WSP does not have any records pertaining to this investigation. Please contact the Department of Justice to obtain records regarding this incident.
Sincerely,
Gretchen Dolan

Washington State Patrol

Public Records Manager

PO Box 42631

Olympia WA 98504

w/(360)753-5467

c/(360)951-9036

f/(360)753-0234

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Subject: PUBLIC DISCLOSURE REQUEST

Washington State Patrol

PO BOX42631

OLYMPIA, WA. 98504-2631

PUBLIC RECORDS COORDINATOR
1/22/08
Re: Request for Information, Documents and/or Records

Dear Public Disclosure Officer:

Pursuant to Washington Public records Act, RCW 42.56 et seq., I am requesting information, documents and/or records relating to:

1. I am requesting the written records of WSP Officer Fred Bjornberg regarding a knock and talk procedure, and follow up search warrant that was executed at 9558534896896026-868826-6
2. I am asking for all materials given to West Net Detective Roy Alloway that was used to get a search warrant by telephone, from Kitsap County Judge Theodore Spearman for my residence on January 12 2007.

3. I am also requesting any copies of Medical records that were seized at my house on January 12 2007.

Thank you for considering my request.
Good luck getting anything out of Roy Alloway.

[sandybarr]

I actually got everything I asked for from West Net with no redactions they sent the Navy Doctor documents along with a bunch of stuf about the movement leader that I am debating on disclosing here..TNET on the other hand is trying to hide everything.I have a Public disclosure lawsuit against them.They are hiding documents and they cant win.They are at 71,000 dollars @ 100 bucks a day right now.If they keep dragging their feet it will be even more by the time it gets to court.

Ole Roy couldn't tie his shoes without permission these days.He is a humble bumble thanks to his over zealous ways.

As far as posting all this Public disclosure stuff I don't know they would have to piss me off enough to do that.I have some respect for being on the front line and being civil disobedient as Gypski says,however I believe you can cross the line when you drag innocent people into it. I appreciate what Joann Mckee has done for the movement in the begning but I believe she crossed the line and went from being disobedient to being a risk after that ,and I believe people were compromised as a result One of their growers was caught and committed suicide.You all will have to take my word on the Switzerland thing,but I am less inclined to go for the jugular on her out of respect...Unless I am pissed enough to,then I will.I have bigger fish to fry right now...The State of Washington,City of Tacoma,Pierce County,Puyallup,Bremerton,Poulsbo,Bonney Lake,Washington Military Department,WSPand Other state agencies.

What I am saying is Gypski and Jack Millions had better not push any buttons on that issue or I will do what I have to do.I would rather just let that one fade away.After all I feel it was provoked by Jack and Gypski in the first place.

[gypski]

What I am saying is Gypski and Jack Millions had better not push any buttons on that issue or I will do what I have to do.I would rather just let that one fade away.After all I feel it was provoked by Jack and Gypski in the first place.

You do what ever it is you think you have to do and you will just have to take what happens. Don't threaten anyone here dude. :wtf: Especially me. Don't interfere with my life or you will regret it since you like to mention lawsuit a lot. Keep your activism to yourself where it effects yourself and leave others in the movement out of your vendettas. :thumbsup:

[jackmillions]

What I am saying is Gypski and Jack Millions had better not push any buttons on that issue or I will do what I have to do.I would rather just let that one fade away.After all I feel it was provoked by Jack and Gypski in the first place.

Fuck you blow hard.

[sandybarr]

Bite me dork

[sandybarr]

Why do you idiots keep provoking me.Looks like the Switzerland stuff will go up along with the movement leaders shit.They can thank you two dorks.You seem to want to counter attack everything I say.That is fine.Gyspi is nothing more than a two bit peddler.millions is just a complete jerk. The movement leaders will have you to blame for not letting this die.I dont threaten I just do.Even the movement leaders know that by now.

[sandybarr]

You two dorks are just petty stains that arent worth wasting my time over.I got shit to do.Go sell some pot!!!

[sandybarr]

I know you are the movement leaders buddy so here is a little stain remover being applied to you two stains.Hope this doesn't interfere with your life as a pot delivery business.lolol Maybe you can deliver something from a nice lady in Switzerland lololololololololololololololololololololol.