Aeration

[immortal420]

I have two 6-inch stones running 24/7 at full power. Is this too much?

I was thinking of hooking it up to the same timer as the pump's, it runs for 10 minutes, three times during the 12-hour light period.

Is that enough time to oxygenate the water and nutrients?

Thanks.

[Weedhound]

There's no such thing as too much oxygen in your system or solution (unlesss you are running C02 I guess....). Run the airstones full time. The amount of power it uses is nothing compared to the benefits and airpumps take almost no power anyway.

[immortal420]

Hey Weedhound, I thought the same thing too.

I also heard that too much air oxidizes the iron and causes it to go to the bottom of the tank and make it in-usable.

Any input is much appreciated.

[LOC NAR on probation]

Everyone run air 24/7. You can cut it down but why. Never heard any of the masters say anything about iron problems.

[immortal420]

http://boards.cannabis.com/organic-growing/167891-airstones-defeciencies.html

I came accross this, just wanted to confirm it.

[LOC NAR on probation]

I bet he is using well water with a lot of iron in it or a metal trash can. He should be using cal-mag but all answer were not given. Many variables. When I start with R/O water I know there is nothing and I control what goes back in it. My bro uses well water at about 140 ppm's and only needs a litle cal-mag to bring it up. Lucky him.

I have read up on some Africans growing hydro in old military metal containers and floating pots in them. They send the young ones out a couple times a day to whip the water with stick to get air into it. Works for them and they are feeding themselves in the desert.

I have used drip systems with no air stones only water splashing back down in rez and done fine.

[immortal420]

So it's OK to run the air pumps for 30 mins a day when I flood for 30 mins as well? Or should I just let it run 24/7?

My distilled water is spot-on 0 ppm. I'm going to use CAL-MAX to bring it up to 210 then go on from there but I don't know if I should go extra if running my pumps 24/7 would diminish the iron.

You're keeping up LOC :thumbsup: Thanks

[KingSloth]

I have two 6-inch stones running 24/7 at full power. Is this too much?

I was thinking of hooking it up to the same timer as the pump's, it runs for 10 minutes, three times during the 12-hour light period

:wtf:Dude, are you serious? haha maybe cut down on the :jointsmile: and read a book

[immortal420]

Are you serious? I've had nothing but positive input from people with a little more than 30 posts of reputation unlike yourself lol

I don't need to pay for books, I have the use of the internet which I use for more intelligent uses instead of flamming.

You shoud probably lay off the :jointsmile: The extremity of it in your brain is actually making you the opposite of every helpful person I encountered on these message boards, grow up.

[KingSloth]

Are you serious? I've had nothing but positive input from people with a little more than 30 posts of reputation unlike yourself lol

I don't need to pay for books, I have the use of the internet which I use for more intelligent uses instead of flamming.

You shoud probably lay off the :jointsmile: The extremity of it in your brain is actually making you the opposite of every helpful person I encountered on these message boards, grow up.

HAHA ok :sorry1:, I admit that was a little cuntish of me, but hey man, that Q was a no-brainer:D. not necessarily the rust scare, but leaving the roots submerged in still water?

OK now, as for the books, you should buy some, then you will actually know what you're doing(seriously). Not smart to rely solely on the internet message boards for all your needs. educate yourself...:thumbsup:

SERIOUSLY though good luck with the grow, you should start a log so we all can see :hippy:

[immortal420]

Leaving the roots in still water?? Do you even bother to read the entire threads before throwing your two cents in?

My roots are on the table, I'm talking about my RESERVOIR.

Let's back-track and try to STAY with me..


I flood my table 3 times a day, for 10 minutes EACH cycle.

NOW, this is my question:

If I have my two six-inch airstones run as long as the pumps do for that length of time, will it be enough aeration?


Now when I was asking if it was "too much" sloth, I meant in a bad sense relating to the iron deficiency supposedly caused by the oxidization ( you gotta think outside of the box for that one :thumbsup: )

Now you see my dilemma? My ammount of air = bad or good?? Simple question.

As for not being smart to rely on messageboards and the internet etc.
You're right, especially when trying to find any form of intellect from your posts.

I actually ask around and also get oppinions from people in the business as well, but as for books...why go through the trouble when you can ask people who have read those and they can tell you themselves and not have to read pages and pages when all you want is something specific.

Abit of a time consumer if you ask me, but when you got alot of time to waste such as yourself, I can see why you took the topic into this direction.

If you don't know, don't answer.

[LOC NAR on probation]

run the pumps in the rez just when you flood. Maybe start the air pump 5 minutes early. I don't think 24/7 will deminish the iron but why do you really need it all the time. Those running all the time are running bubblers and DWC where roots hang in water constantly. What's the point in a rez for flood, you only need air when you flood. Other wise it's like beating a dead horse. When the flood table dries out don't the roots get air ? If you could put it in the flood table I would say 24/7 but that doesn't work.

[immortal420]

Thanks LOC, I figured the new idea would save on energy and the other was just abit over-kill. I'll try it this way and hopefully everything works out for the best.

The issue about the iron still hasn't been confirmed yet but I won't press it with this new schedule of aeration.

[immortal420]

:jointsmile:

[LOC NAR on probation]

Right on, let us know maybe it will help the ones that use flood tables. Any time you can save some bucks do it..

Can't sleep that's why I'm here late. Got to get a new crop of meds. LOL

I was trying a new system and overwatered my clones and almost killed them all. Rot root set in but I think I have it under control. Just got some small white roots sticking out of a few using the new foogers. Just want to tweak the system then start a fog log.

Good luck man.

[immortal420]

LOL, can't sleep either. With the economy like shit, I've been laid off for months. I got called back in today and start my shift at 8am ( 5 hrs away :( )
I'm all worked up about it.

Thanks for all the info, I wish you luck as well bro.

peace

[LOC NAR on probation]

I hope your job hangs in there a long time for you. Glad you got it back. I work in residential housing and trying to find some other kind of work too. If it keeps up and my crop fails then I will have to go back to what my family did in the last depression. Moonshining, break out the cooper pot stills and make some mash. Now if I can find a driver like the old Nascar boys that drove for my grandfathers. LOL

I may cross a few strains and call it moonshine just for the occassion.

Hang in there and the best of luck with work.

[Loafyboy]

I was always told that the air pumps should be run 24/7 for the sake of the nutrient solution, not just the roots. Aeration helps prevent the build up of bad bacteria in the solution, thus preventing stagnation. Just a thought. :)

[LOC NAR on probation]

I was always told that the air pumps should be run 24/7 for the sake of the nutrient solution, not just the roots. Aeration helps prevent the build up of bad bacteria in the solution, thus preventing stagnation. Just a thought. :)

Good point, it also keeps the nutes stirred up. Never heard of the iron thing. Hopefully it will do alright and is easy enough to change if it looks like is isn't going well.

Every day I make my mide as a blank page for the day to write it's lessons on.

[cavadge]

Something a lot of people don't understand about aerating water - it isn't the air bubbles that add oxygen. It's the bubbles breaking the surface of the water. Surface movement of the water is what allows the exchange of gases.

The water will only absorb so much oxygen, so you can't overdo it with the air stones. Run it 7/24. No worries.

Cav

[Prospector]

I'm kind of new around here,but,I use 4ft rubber oxygen hoses that are laid down in the channels of my 4.5ft by 4.5 grow tray.When the pump comes on to fill my ebb and flo It looks like a hot tub with so many bubbles! Use it if you like,It works for me!Oh, I also have a water pump and two arriation stones going 24/7 too in the res.Prospector

[Daddynobucks]

IMHO
running air 24/7 is the only way to go,given what happens without air:(, a submerged pump with magnetic drive is far worse at pulling the Fe from the nuits.besides I think the bubbles help stir things up a little

there is plenty of Fe in most ferts.if not change brands. but that is one of the reasons for changing nuits. on a frequent/regular basis.