An excerpt everyone should read

[ArgoSG]

This is from "The End of Faith" by Sam Harris, from a chapter devoted to how he believes Religion, and in general, belief without evidence is responsible for some of the absurd laws that still exist in many states in our country:

The influence of faith on our criminal laws comes at a remarkable price. Consider the case of drugs. As it happens, there are many substances(many of which are naturally occurring), the consumption of which leads to transient states of inordinate pleasure. Occasionally, it is true, they lead to transient states of misery as well. But there is no doubt that pleasure is the norm, otherwise human beings would not have the continual desire to take such substances for millennia. Of course, pleasure is precisely the problem with these substances, since pleasure and piety have always had an uneasy relationship.

When one looks at our drug laws, indeed, at our vice laws all together, the only organizing principle that appears to make sense of them is that anything which might radically eclipse prayer, or procreative sexuality as a source of pleasure, has been outlawed. In particular, any drug:

-LSD
-Mescaline
-Psilocybin
-DMT
-MDMA
-Marijuana
-etc

..to which spiritual or religious experience has been ascribed to by it's users, has been prohibited. Concerns about the health of our citizens or about their productivity are red herrings in this debate, as the legality of alcohol and cigarettes attests. The fact that people are being prosecuted and imprisoned for using marijuana, while alcohol remains a staple commodity, is surely the reductio ad absurdum of any notion that our drug laws are designed to keep people from harming themselves or others. Alcohol is, by any measure the more dangerous substance. It has no approved medical use, and it's lethal dose is rather easily achieved. It's role in causing automobile accidents is beyond dispute. The manner in which alcohol relieves people of their inhibitions contributes to:

-Human violence
-Personal injury
-Unplanned pregnancy
-The spread of sexually transmitted disease

Alcohol is also well known to be addictive. When consumed in large quantities over many years, it can lead to devastating neurological impairments, to cirrhosis of the liver and to death. In the United States alone, more than 100,000 people annually die from it's use. It is also more toxic to a developing fetus than any other drug of abuse. Indeed, crack babies appear to have been really suffering from fetal alcohol syndrome.

None of these charges can be leveled at marijuana. As a drug, marijuana is nearly unique in having several medical applications and no known lethal dosage. While adverse reactions to drugs like aspirin and ibuprofin account for an estimated 7,600 deaths and 76,000 hospitalizations each year in the United States alone, marijuana kills no one. It's role as a 'gateway drug' now seems less plausible than ever, and it was never plausible. In fact, nearly everything human beings do; driving cars, flying planes, hitting golf balls- is more dangerous than smoking marijuana in the privacy of one's own home. Anyone who would seriously attempt to argue that marijuana is worthy of prohibition because of the risk it poses to human beings will find the powers of the human brain are simply insufficient for the job. And yet, we are so far from the shady groves of reason now that people are still receiving life sentences without the possibility of parole for growing, selling, possessing or buying what is in fact a naturally occurring plant. Cancer patients and paraplegics have been sentenced to decades in prison for marijuana possession. Owners of garden supply stores have received similar sentences because some of their customers were caught growing marijuana.

What explains this astonishing wastage of human life and material resources? The only explanation is that our discourse on this subject has never been obliged to function within the bounds of rationality. Under our current laws, it is safe to say, if a drug were invented that posed no risk of physical harm or addiction to it's users, but produced a brief feeling of spiritual bliss and epiphany in 100% of those who tried it, this drug would be illegal, and people would be punished mercilessly for it's use. Only anxiety about the biblical crime of idolatry would appear to make sense of this retributive impulse. Because we are a people of faith; taught to concern ourselves with the sinfulness of our neighbors, we have grown tolerant of irrational uses of state power.

Our prohibition of certain substances has led thousands of productive and otherwise law-abiding men and women to be locked away for decades at a stretch; sometimes for life. Their children have become wards of the state. As if such cascading horror were not disturbing enough, violent criminals; murders, rapists and child molesters are regularly paroled to make room for them. Here we appear to have overstepped the banality of evil, and plunged to the absurdity at it's depth.

The consequences of our irrationality on this front are so egregious that they bear a closer examination. Each year, over 1.5 million men and women are arrested in the United States because of our drug laws. At this moment, somewhere on the order of around 400,000 men and women languish in U.S. prisons for non-violent drug offenses. One million others are currently on probation. More people are imprisoned for non-violent drug offenses in the United States than are incarcerated for any reason, in all of western Europe, which has a larger population. The cost of these efforts, at the federal level alone, is nearly 20 billion dollars annually. The total cost of our drug laws, when one factors in the expenses from state and local governments, and from the tax revenue lost by our failure to regulate the sale of drugs could easily be in excess of 100 billion dollars, each year. Our war drugs consumes an estimated 50% of trial time in our courts and the full time energy of over 400,000 police officers. These are resources that might otherwise be used to fight violent crime and terrorism.

In historical terms, there was every reason to expect that such a policy of prohibition would fail. It is well known for instance, that the experiment with the prohibition of alcohol in the United States did little more than precipitate a terrible comedy of increased drinking, organized crime and police corruption. What is not generally remembered, is that prohibition was an explicitly religious exercise; being a joint product of the woman's Christian temperance union and the pious lobbying of certain Protestant missionary societies.

The problem with the prohibition of any desirable commodity is money. The United Nations values the drug trade at 400 billion dollars a year. This exceeds the annual budget for the U.S. Department of Defense. If this figure is correct, the trade in illegal drugs constitutes 8% of all international commerce. While the sale of textiles makes up 7.5% and motor vehicles just 5.3%, and yet prohibition itself is what makes the manufacture and sale of drugs so extraordinarily profitable. Those who earn their living in this way enjoy a 5,000 to 20,000% return on their investment; tax-free. Every relevant indicator of the drug trade; rates of drug-use and interdiction, estimates of production, the purity of drugs on the street, etc, shows that the government can do nothing to stop it as long as such profits exist. Indeed these profits are highly corrupting of law enforcement, in any case. The crimes of the addict, to finance the stratospheric cost of his lifestyle, and the crimes of the dealer, to protect both his territory and his goods are likewise the results of prohibition. A final irony which seems good enough to be the work of Satan himself, is that the market we have created by our drug laws has become a steady source of revenue for terrorist organizations like Al-Qaeda, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Shining Path and others. Even if we acknowledge that stopping drug use is a justifiable social goal, how does the financial cost of our war on drugs appear in light of the other challenges we face?

Consider that it would only require a one-time expenditure of 2 billion dollars to secure our commercial seaports against smuggled nuclear weapons. At present, we have allocated a mere 93 million dollars for this purpose. How will our prohibition of marijuana use look(this comes at a cost of 4billion dollars annually) if a new sun ever dawns on the port of Los Angelos? Or consider that the U.S. Government can afford to spend only 2.3 billion dollars each year on the reconstruction of Afghanistan. The Taliban and Al-Qaeda are now regrouping, warlords roam the countryside along the city-limits of Kabul. Which is more important to us? Reclaiming this important part of the world for the forces of civilization, or keeping cancer patients in Berkley from relieving their nausea with marijuana? Our present use of government funds suggests an uncanny skewing, we might even say, derangement of our national priorities. Such a bizarre allocation of resources is sure to keep Afghanistan in ruins for many years to come. It will also lead Afghan farmers with no alternative but to grow Opium; happily for them, our drug laws still render this a highly profitable enterprise.

Anyone who believes that God is watching us from beyond the stars, will feel that punishing men and women for their private pleasure is perfectly reasonable. We are now in the 21st century. Perhaps we should have better reasons for depriving our neighbors of their liberty at gunpoint. Given the magnitude of the real problems that confront us; terrorism, nuclear proliferation, the spread of infectious disease, our failing infrastructure, our lack of funds for education and health care, etc, our war on sin is so outrageously unwise as to almost defy rational comment. How have we grown so blind to our deeper interests? And how have we managed to enact such policies with so little substantive debate?
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Please spread this message, and with some work we'll live in a more sane world.

[ArgoSG]

Media Hysterics About Supposed Cancer Link Nothing New
February 10th, 2009 By: Paul Armentano, NORML Deputy Director

It must have been a slow news day.

According to Google News, more than 750 media outlets â?? thatâ??s 7-5-0, folks â?? have now weighed in on this weekâ??s pot scare story du jour: â??Smoking marijuana causes testicular cancer.â?� Study found here: Marijuana Use Linked To Increased Risk Of Testicular Cancer (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090209075631.htm)

So is there any truth behind the provocative headline? Some, but hardly enough to justify the mediaâ??s feeding frenzy.

Researchers at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research in Seattle matched 369 men with of testicular germ cell tumors (TGCTs) with 979 healthy controls. Hereâ??s what they found.

Men who self-reported having â??ever usedâ?� marijuana had no statistically significant risk of testicular cancer compared to healthy controls who never used pot.

Men who reported currently using marijuana at least once per week, and who had started smoking pot prior to age 18, had an elevated risk compared to controls of contracting a type of testicular cancer known as nonseminoma.

Sounds scary, huh? Well hereâ??s the catch.

According to the federal government, millions of people smoke marijuana regularly. By contrast, diagnoses of nonseminoma, which typically affects males between the ages of 15 and 34, are extremely rare.

How rare?

Nonseminomas account for fewer than one half of one percent of all cancers among American men.

Further undermining the studyâ??s hypothesis is this: Since the 1970s, the percentage of American males smoking pot has climbed dramatically. By contrast, incidences of nonseminoma have risen only nominally during this same time period.

Of course, this is hardly the first time the mainstream media has jumped ugly on cannabis. Around this same time last year, news outlets from Reuters to Fox News declared that marijuana posed a greater cancer risk than cigarettes. Only problem was that the study they were reporting on actually demonstrated the opposite.

So why does the mainstream media continue to get the story wrong when it comes to pot? Good question. You can read my abbreviated answer here. And while youâ??re on NORMLâ??s site, get the skinny on what the scientific literature really has to say about any potential links between marijuana and cancer here, here, and here.

NORML Blog » Blog Archive » Media Hysterics About Supposed Cancer Link Nothing New (http://blog.norml.org/2009/02/10/media-hysterics-about-supposed-cancer-link-nothing-new/)

[Rusty Trichome]

Anyone who believes that God is watching us from beyond the stars, will feel that punishing men and women for their private pleasure is perfectly reasonable.
Moronic in thought and content.
Spoken like an undereducated, unloved person that wishes to project their feelings on others, in a vain hope of gaining social signifigance. Doesn't work, tho...when the facts are that mainstream christians are forgiving...agnostics aren't. Not only are agnostics not forgiving, they appear to enjoy ripping the very fabric of society, that protects not only their right to remain ignorant, but the rights of the christians to chose what they believe.

Don't like my right to worship as I please...? Tough shit. It's not a right I'll ever relinquish, for social acceptance, or peer pressure. But you are welcome to attend my church whenever you'd like. We're friendly and tolerant, lol.

As far as the other drugs that are inappropriatelly mentioned, (this is a medical cannabis site, not a back-alley drugstore) I'm all for making stiffer drug laws. It's not the addiction I have a problem with. It's the choices that are made while active in that addiction. You choose to rob my house looking for shit to sell for your habit...I shoot to kill. You choose to run your car into mine after a night on the town...I choose do everything in my power to see you pay the price. You od in the parking lot while picking-up your kids from school...I choose to call 911 and child protective services.

I do not have the right to go out and shoot drunks or addicts, nor is that something I would find amusing. But conversely...they don't have the right to assault my body, my home, my family, and yes...my religion.

Kinda curious how the muslims feel about this. Or the buddists, or jews...or is this strictly the christians we're targeting with insult and inuendo here?

[the image reaper]

I agree with Rusty Trichome on this, and I am offended that fools can attack my Christian faith with impunity, on this website :mad: ... but, oh no, don't say anything negative about cults, perverts, or chickenshits ... OK, I'm done :smokin:

[DdC222]

Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.... Do not be frightened from this inquiry from any fear of its consequences. If it ends in the belief that there is no God, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise...
-- Thomas Jefferson, in a 1787 letter to his nephew

I'm an American first.
To each their own.
It's when they try legislating their version of morality is when I and the forefathers have a problem. If lil ole ladies get off on Pat Robertson and send him their ss checks, not my problem. His diamond mines need new curtains.

Most Christians are good at following and believing. Just read the rusty old morons threats and coersion, baaa. Most fascists require followers who believe. Jesus is totally missing from the equation. If anyone had a right to be pissed off and seek revenge it would be Jesus towards the Khristzions and their naive blind obedient sheople. I think he would be the antichrist if I was wrote the novel. Man or Nature. Man's religion. All started with entheogenic plants. But the hallucinations and weird thoughts are not supposed to be taken seriously. Especially thousands of years after the trip. By those who outlaw the very substances their religious forefathers wrote about. Ain't that a kick? And these cosmic groupies have expensive places and costumes to prime time the rituals with incense lacking the hashish. Did Jesus inhale? So to each their own. Keep your laws and lords off my body and we'll be ok fine.

This has been a public service announcement...
Drug WarRant :: View topic - This has been a public fucking service announcement... (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4075#4075)

I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature. The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
-- Thomas Jefferson, - 1823

THE Jefferson Bible
The Jefferson Bible (http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible)
The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth
Extracted Textually from the Gospels
Compiled by Thomas Jefferson
Edited by Eyler Robert Coates, Sr.

Cannabis and the Old Testament
Kaneh Bosm: Cannabis in the Old Testament (http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/mayjune96/kanehbosm.html)

I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to Heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all.
--Thomas Jefferson

Cannabis Culture Archives: Sacrament
Cannabis Culture Library | Cannabis Culture Magazine (http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/dbarticles.cgi?head=SACRAMENT)

Big Bucks in forced Faith-Based Rehabilitation
Drug WarRant :: View topic - Faith-Based Rehabilitation (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=541)

â??Mayberry Machiavellians.â?�

(Guv W) Bush. Religious drug treatment in Texas by Hanna Rosin
US TX: George W Bush: The Record In Texas (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00/n602/a01.html)
CORPUS CHRISTI, Tex. 05 May 2000

Over the door of one church-based drug treatment center in Houston, a sign printed in foot-high letters announces: "Drug Addiction Is NOT a Disease. It's a Sin." At another, clients pass by a poster of an addict in a hospital bed, ripping IV tubes out of his arms and throwing his pills in the garbage. An angel hovers nearby, offering her protection from this plague of prescriptions.

And at a Christian young adult home in Corpus Christi, police recently took the unusual step of arresting a supervisor after teenagers complained that they were beaten and roped to a bed, all in the name of Christian discipline. More arrests are anticipated, authorities say.

These are some of the results--expected and unexpected--of Gov. George W. Bush's "bold new experiment in welfare reform." With his conviction that religious groups can transform lives in ways government can't, Bush sponsored laws in 1997 that allow churches to provide social services their own way, outside the intrusive glare of the state.

The new laws exempted faith-based drug treatment programs from all state health and safety regulations followed by their secular counterparts, a list contained in a rule book as thick as a Russian novel that covers every detail from fire detectors to frayed carpets. Counselors in religious treatment programs now may skip the criminal background checks and hundreds of hours of training required of their state-licensed peers.

Faith-based groups that provide child care or operate homes for troubled youths can opt out of state inspections and choose to be regulated by a Christian child care agency approved by the state.

Since their inception, the new rules have been criticized by traditional caretakers, who worry that Bush has placed too little emphasis on holding religious groups accountable, and too much on the notion that faith alone can heal addiction and delinquency--despite decades of research to the contrary.

Knowing this, they then select it as puppet president?
I wonder if Americans even want freedom sometimes.
Seem awful eager to give it away... To support the prez.

Plagued by Moral Relativism
Drug WarRant :: View topic - Plagued by Moral Relativism (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=538)

This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.
-- John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

Wall street's Spontaneous Abortionists (where's the outrage?)
Wallstreet's Spontaneous Abortionists - Cannabis Culture Forums (http://tinyurl.com/pesticideabortionists)

The United States is in no way founded upon the Christian religion.
-- George Washington & John Adams, in a diplomatic message to Malta.

Demonizing
Drug WarRant :: View topic - Demonizing Drugs (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=233)

This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.
-- John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

Christian Extremism and Terrorism In History
Drug WarRant :: View topic - Christian Extremism and Terrorism In History (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110)

The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.
-- Abraham Lincoln

THE PSYCHEDELICS AND RELIGION
THE PSYCHEDELICS AND RELIGION - Shtuff! - All - Ending Cannabis Prohibition - Message Board - Yuku (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1200)

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-- Thomas Jefferson, - 1814

On Indications of the Hachish-Vice in the OT
On Indications of the Hachish-Vice in the OT - Shtuff! - All - Ending Cannabis Prohibition - Message Board - Yuku (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1203)

Vision of a Sacred Tree
Visions of a Sacred Tree (http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/fall95/split.html)

In Hebrew the word for hash also means incense...

When Smoke Gets in My Eye
Smoke Gets In My I (http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/apr95/smoke_in_my_i.html)

Neither the trappings of robes, nor temples of stone, nor a fixed liturgy, nor an extensive literature or history is required to meet the test of beliefs cognizable under the Constitution as religious. So far as our law is concerned, one person's religious beliefs held for one day are presumptively entitled to the same protection as the beliefs of millions which have been shared for thousands of years.
-- Judge Jack Weinstein, New York State, 1977

Christ and Cannabis, Jesus Used Cannabis
CC11: Cannabis and the Christ: Jesus used Marijuana (http://www.cannabisculture.com/magazine/cc11/christ.html)

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
-- Mahatma Gandhi

[Rusty Trichome]

Ahh, but to be young and stupid again. Your cut-n-paste propoganda has, in some sited cases, merit. But alas the sum of the whole is not fully represented by the deviant minority. You wish to slander that to which you show no prior knowledge of, and expect anyone with a brain and the ability to think for ourselves, to give your self-indulgent misrepresentations any creedence? There have been moral, social, governmental deviants in each and every society, since the dawn of time.

I don't really see what's so hard for you to fathom. A lot of us here are, at the very least, spiritual...if not fully religious. I hold no ill will to non-believers, and never do I criticize those that choose another path. But when some moron comes into our little medical cannabis sanctuary, and starts spouting the ills of that to which we hold dear, and additionally, that idiot has no personal insight to the gains we recieve from His blessings...then that idiot (you) have stepped over the line. This isn't some antichrist rally you are posting this dribble at, it's our refuge.

Sooo, what do you believe in, beyond showing the cannabis world how angry, biggoted and ignorant you can really be in a membership full of folks with the patience and tolerance to help others thru myriads of injuries and diseases. Meanwhile the membership reads all about how their belief system is bullshit, and we are all fools for having the balls enough to stand up to your tirades.
All we know about you is:
that you can Google, and cut-n-paste. (as can my 8 year old)
that you hate the government.
that you hate corporations and capitalism.
that you hate religion.
that you hate god specifically.
and you hate those that do not share your views.
Was there more?

What exactly is your purpose here? Activism...? What are you being activistic for? What are your goals, as an activist, in posting this stuff here? Obviously not medical cannabis reform, or even cannabis reform in general.
Tell me how your "activism" should be welcomed in here.
I think I get enough hate from watching MSNBC, I damn well don't need the theocraphobic, socialist bullshit here, too. But perhaps I'm wrong. I'd like to hear other views, even if I don't agree with them. Regardless of your dislike for opposing viewpoints, some of us learn more from heated discussions, than we would ever learn from the mindless parrotings of an angry child. :jointsmile:

[the image reaper]

my Christian faith dictates I don't hate, nor do I condemn the un-saved (I pray for them) ... if that's subversive to you, I guess I'll have to pray harder :D

'Christians aren't perfect, we're just forgiven' :thumbsup:

[ArgoSG]

when the facts are that mainstream christians are forgiving...agnostics aren't.

Not only are agnostics not forgiving, they appear to enjoy ripping the very fabric of society, that protects not only their right to remain ignorant, but the rights of the christians to chose what they believe.
Okay. You make these claims, now present the evidence. Where do you get this information from?


As far as the other drugs that are inappropriatelly mentioned, (this is a medical cannabis site, not a back-alley drugstore) I'm all for making stiffer drug laws. It's not the addiction I have a problem with. It's the choices that are made while active in that addiction. You choose to rob my house looking for shit to sell for your habit...I shoot to kill. You choose to run your car into mine after a night on the town...I choose do everything in my power to see you pay the price. You od in the parking lot while picking-up your kids from school...I choose to call 911 and child protective services.

There are a dozen non sequiturs here. Where to begin...

-LSD - Non addictive.
-Mescaline - Non addictive.
-Psilocybin - Non addictive.
-DMT - Non addictive.
-MDMA - Non addictive.
-Marijuana - Non addictive.

Where the heck did you get addiction from? Do you think cannabis is somehow exclusive and should be legalized while the rest shouldn't?(You're in the activism forum. You're going to see topics about the legalization of Cannabis.)

Unless you want to strictly argue from the "Cannabis has medical benefits" angle, which is rather narrow, you won't be able to ignore the criminalization of these other substances is similarly absurd.


Spoken like an undereducated, unloved person that wishes to project their feelings on others, in a vain hope of gaining social signifigance.

You already know I'm undereducated, I'm unloved, I wish to project my feelings on others(You're.. somewhat right, but I fail to see how stating something so obvious helps you), and I hope in vain that I will gain social significance, which assumes I have none? Does Jesus give you these magic powers?


You choose to rob my house looking for shit to sell for your habit...I shoot to kill. You choose to run your car into mine after a night on the town...I choose do everything in my power to see you pay the price.


Doesn't work, tho...when the facts are that mainstream christians are forgiving.

I don't even need to say anything. Your post speaks volumes by itself.

[Rusty Trichome]

Okay. You make these claims, now present the evidence. Where do you get this information from?
Decades of experience. Where do you get your misinformation...?


There are a dozen non sequiturs here. Where to begin...
-LSD - Non addictive.................FELONY
-Mescaline - Non addictive.........FELONY
-Psilocybin - Non addictive.........FELONY
-DMT - Non addictive................FELONY
-MDMA - Non addictive..............FELONY
-Marijuana - Non addictive..........THE SOLE REASON THIS SITE IS ONLINE.

Where the heck did you get addiction from? Do you think cannabis is somehow exclusive and should be legalized while the rest shouldn't?(You're in the activism forum. You're going to see topics about the legalization of Cannabis.) Well, the addiction label is quite subjective to varying degrees, and can be split into three general categories...physical emotional and mental.

As far as the cannabis goes...yes, it is in a class by itself, but the others you mention...inappropriate in these forum. This isn't a medical LSD forum, and there are site rules regarding talk of these drugs. If you want to flaunt site rules...be my guest. Until then, I have never been a fan of drugs that alter ones reality to the point of insanity, (as is evidenced by some of your views...your reality is not shared by mainstream cannabis users.) and am fine with keeping our discussions to the reason most of us are here.


Unless you want to strictly argue from the "Cannabis has medical benefits" angle, which is rather narrow, you won't be able to ignore the criminalization of these other substances is similarly absurd. Absurd to who...? I do not come to this board seeking justice for the downtrodden drug addicts with the mental capacity of a garbonzo bean. I could care less if you feel oppressed by the 'arbitrary' drug laws. And I really could care less if one has a 'bad trip' and kills his family, which was 'tollerant' of his drug use, but was unaware of the psychosis it can often degenerate into.

My problem is that:
A) This is a medical cannabis site, not "Chewy's dope house". If you can keep your activism to the standards outlined in the site rules, then there wouldn't be much I could say, and likely I'd slip-away as if in a dream. If those in charge back off of these site rules, I'll refrain from mentioning this whenever and wherever appropriate.

B) Not all the folks in this forum are doped-up psychopaths looking for you to legalize their next dime bag. Most of the folks here have disease, injury or specific need for cannabis, some have a doctors prescription, and virtually all have the legal and moral right to have access to this site. So you are saying that since we have come here seeking solace form our pain and to help our healing, you think we all want to join your bandwaggon, and become an irresponsible drain on society? The only instance I would consider legalization, would be if it were legalized solely for National "dope-up your violent convicts" day, along the lines of ThunderDome. Would be better viewing than some of the MTV reality shows, and likely cost-effective. :thumbsup:

C) Having been around the block a few times, I have seen the effects of all but one of the drugs you mention. The folks that regularly consume these substances...perhaps you call them freedom fighters within their rights to do as they please. I call 'em drug addicts, scum, irresponsible drains, undereducated worthless pieces of shit, and doped-up immoral bastards that are neither insightful nor enlightened to anything beyond denial and an inability to deal with life, on lifes terms. Please...come to our church...there is a better way. :jointsmile:


and I hope in vain that I will gain social significance, which assumes I have none? Does Jesus give you these magic powers?
The belief in His love for us brings us together, and gives us strength to follow his teachings, to help others, and be the best we can be. I have never seen anyone be the best they can be, while hiding behind parked cars and being paranoid about tree-monsters.
Just like you evidentally enjoy getting together, popping a few sugar cubes or doing some lines on the toilet cover at the gas station, or sitting around thinking of new ways to pop those zits on your girlfriends ass, or while shitting your pants waiting for the crosswalk sign to quit blinking...religious groups are cheerfully trying to help the community rather than becoming a drain on it. Bummer you can't organize your spun-out minions to help cover graffiti, or clean-up a park, or feed and clothe the homeless...but most self-serving drug addicts are lazy and uninspierd anyway, so your inaction there is understandable. At least you can type, though. :jointsmile:


I don't even need to say anything. Your post speaks volumes by itself. As does yours.

[chandlerbinger]

Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it-I give every green plant for food." And it was so.

So why isnt it legal again?

I dont know why some people think this site is for medical use only but its not. As it clearly states Cannabis.com and not MedicalCannabis.com.

Total decriminalization or bust! No need to hide behind a medical excuse to smoke out when God gave it to you in the first place.

The first thing Noah did after landing the Arc was to plant a vineyard. He spent the rest of his existence getting drunk.

Smoke weed cuz you can, cuz you want to, cuz it gets you high and because you were born with cannibanoid receptors(<Another gift from the almighty).

:jointsmile:

[DdC222]

Ahh, but to be young and stupid again.

See we can agree, Yes you are, but...

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said."
- William F. Buckley, Jr.

You start off with ignorance, soothsaying opinion and have not one piece of tangible evidence to back your sheopledom dribble junior. I choose to not go any farther wasting my time on your memo reading, same old cowardice shit. Appeasing the Banksters and the self appointed moralists making laws on my body, fuck them and the puppet whores they rode in on.

"The Lordâ?¦ hath sent me to bind up the broken hearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives
and the opening of the prison to them that are bound."
- Isaiah 61:1

Condemning the poor while feeding Robotsons diamond mines or the popies Roman real estate market. Typical selfish arrogant ignorant. Yet alas, I don't hate you boy, I pity you at most. But you contribute so little I find even that difficult. So maybe I just don't think a thing about you. Your common mouthfarts and hatred of anything out of the status quo box you hide in. Hey dude if I want cartoons I can plug in the TV. My beliefs are none of your damn business and I wouldn't have to make comments on yours if you teach it to stay out of legislation.

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1814

The info is for all, take it or leave it, pass it by shove it up your ass whatever. Your trying to divert or dissuade those from reading it will only capture the attention of your sheople peers. I have no use for them. I come here not to make peace but to turn brother against their chickenhawk fathers and sisters against their status weird mothers reefer madness meddling and ConPromising. Selling out their own families making false claims as you do about Ganja. Or rather you don't seem to make claims, just stir shit in other peoples pot. Get a life. Your a doormat, that ain't Peace.

"And I will raise up for them a plant of renown,
and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land,
neither bear the shame of the heathen any more."
- Ezekiel 34:29

Separating the plant and dividing the citizens into groups. Jerking that plastic flag made in China by kids working 12 hour shifts. Plastic from Iraqi crude oil you cheered the soldier kids on to fighting for. Too appease the Ganjawar masters into a few crumbs, over a lie. Down on your knees thanking the bigots for not whipping you. Settling for lies still lumping Hemp into the mix. Still trying to prove your idiot Boosh was the exception. Ha, you're lemmings and your government has hihacked my America and we ain't gonna take it anymore!

Tell Oblamo talk is cheap as Ganja should be, regardless of the MMJ fools thinking its ok to cage healthy people. Greedy fucking bastards, it was stoner home health hospice aids like me the past 20 years getting your ass' Ganja. Now the dividers like you want to kiss the drug worriers ass and step over anyone getting in the way of your buyers club profits. Or tweaking and re-writing the citizens initiative Prop 215 I gathered signatures for in the rain. Fuck the Fascists from Jerry Brownose to Arno Hypicrator.

"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man;
that which cometh out of the mouth defileth a man."
- Mat. 15:11

Like any typical punk, as I claimed earlier. Your censoring post only show other forums how you operate here. Your government Lies sonny. You don't develop medical conditions from Nexxon lies, except in your propaganda fantasy world and the mentally deprived drones following. Vapor your lungs but don't make false accusations about Ganja smoke doing harm. Too many centuries of safe use without the modern Fascist pollutant cancers your lapdog Prostiticians bring. For these wicked Fascist redneck GOPerverts or Joe Blieden Demonkrat weasels like Klintoon writing the Patriot Ax and the Higher Education Ax he let Souder tack on. The life time banning of tuition grants. Helping your moneysluts maintain a labor pool. Thats sick and right over your naive pinhead. Those warts have bestowed themselves upon our Great Land must be aborted, post hence asshole! Do you have an actual question or do you just spew unsubstantiated nonsense and fear links and actual references? Speak up girlyman.

Big Bucks in forced Faith-Based Rehabilitation (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=541)
"Is anybody surprised that a White house ruled by the likes of Karl Rove and Dick Cheney would engage in manipulation of religionâ??or anything else? I recall the reflections of the first head of the faith-based program office, John Dilulio, who left after six months, and later cited the disconnects between the White House's faith-based office and the domestic policy advisors, referring to them as â??Mayberry Machiavellians.â?�

Bush. Religious drug treatment in Texas (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00/n602/a01.html) by Hanna Rosin
CORPUS CHRISTI, Tex. 05 May 2000

"Over the door of one church-based drug treatment center in Houston, a sign printed in foot-high letters announces: "Drug Addiction Is NOT a Disease. It's a Sin." At another, clients pass by a poster of an addict in a hospital bed, ripping IV tubes out of his arms and throwing his pills in the garbage. An angel hovers nearby, offering her protection from this plague of prescriptions.

And at a Christian young adult home in Corpus Christi, police recently took the unusual step of arresting a supervisor after teenagers complained that they were beaten and roped to a bed, all in the name of Christian discipline. More arrests are anticipated, authorities say.

These are some of the results--expected and unexpected--of Gov. George W. Bush's "bold new experiment in welfare reform." With his conviction that religious groups can transform lives in ways government can't, Bush sponsored laws in 1997 that allow churches to provide social services their own way, outside the intrusive glare of the state.

The new laws exempted faith-based drug treatment programs from all state health and safety regulations followed by their secular counterparts, a list contained in a rule book as thick as a Russian novel that covers every detail from fire detectors to frayed carpets. Counselors in religious treatment programs now may skip the criminal background checks and hundreds of hours of training required of their state-licensed peers.

Faith-based groups that provide child care or operate homes for troubled youths can opt out of state inspections and choose to be regulated by a Christian child care agency approved by the state.

Since their inception, the new rules have been criticized by traditional caretakers, who worry that Bush has placed too little emphasis on holding religious groups accountable, and too much on the notion that faith alone can heal addiction and delinquency--despite decades of research to the contrary."

Knowing this, they then select it as puppet president?
I wonder if Americans even want freedom sometimes.
Seem awful eager to give it away... To support the party at all cost.

I've reconsidered the Garden story. Seems Eden was a Zoo for people.
Then some liberal wanted to set them free. Knowing these humans breed like germs. Ask any animal what they've learned. About these creatures that escaped... Ask the Polar bears with DDT, or the fish with Mercury. Not counting the species now extinct. Or all the ones living in trees, that are cut down for fences and paper. When Hemp would do as well or better, they outlaw it without a hearing. Yup, I think God was right, keeping us from the Tree of Life. But now we're out and need the weed. To supplement the crude and poisons used. Since who wants immortality, amongst these rusty old Fascists wing-nut heatherns... DdC

"And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."
- Gen.2 [9)

"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever."
- Gen.3 [22)

"So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."
- Gen.3 [24)

Marijuana May Live Up To Be The Elixir of Life (http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread21194.shtml) By Ravi Chopra
Source: Earthtimes.org October 15, 2005
A study by University of Saskatchewan researchers results appearing in the 'Journal of Clinical Investigation' have actually given a fillip to the traditional and mythological view that associates the addictive weed in some ways with immortality...

"And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."
- Gen.2 (9)

"She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her."
- Prov.3 (18)

"The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise."
- Prov.11 (30)

"They shall have the tree of life for an ointment of sweet savour; they shall neither labour, nor be weary."
- 4Ezra.2 (12)

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."
- Rev.2 (7)

Presbyterian Church Votes To Support MMJ (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=943)

"Ancient Temple Hashish Incense! Did Jesus Inhale?"

Sacramental Cannabis (http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/ddc/index.html)

ConPromising lies is as psychotic as caging people for relieving symptoms of their diseases. Lies can never ever sprout symptoms. That is prostiticians work. Ganja is safe and millions have used it for thousands of years and no problems until Anslinger and his predators fairy tales about the dangers. The law is bad, remove it. Period. Don't give in like the cowards appeasing the Fascist for crumbs. Ganja is or it is not and test within the physical laws of the universe say it is.

Richard Milhouse Nixon to Raymond P. Shafer (http://cannabisnews.com/thcgi/search.pl?K=nixon&H=40&T=t)

"You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob?

"You're enough of a pro," Nixon tells Shafer, "to know that for you to come out with something that would run counter to what the Congress feels and what the country feels, and what we're planning to do, would make your commission just look bad as hell."
- Richard Milhouse Nixon

"Marijuana does not lead to physical dependency, although some evidence indicates that the heavy, long-term users may develop a psychological dependence on the drug"
The Shafer Commission of 1970

Just What The Jewish Doctor Ordered (http://www.yahooka.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95427)

"... as a multipurpose plant, ganga is used medicinally, even by non-smokers. ....There were no indications of organic brain damage or chromosome damage among smokers and no significant clinical psychiatric, psychological or medical) differences between smokers and controls." "No impairment of physiological, sensory and perceptual performance, tests of concept formation, abstracting ability, and cognitive style, and tests of memory" "[Cannabis smoking] does not lead directly to mental or physical deterioration... Those who have consumed marijuana for a period of years showed no mental or physical deterioration which may be attributed to the drug."
- US Jamaican Study 1974

Nixon lied to schedule Ganja #1 (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=459)

"...I.Q.'s of Zion Coptics increased after they began to use ganga"
- Schaeffer: A Neuropsychological Evaluation; A Case History

Marijuana Compound Spurs Brain Cell Growth (http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread21185.shtml)

"There is no evidence...
that any deleterious influence on the individual using [cannabis]"
- Panama Canal Zone Report, 1925

Once-Secret Nixon Tapes Show Why the U.S. Outlawed Pot (http://tinyurl.com/NixonTapesPotLies)

"Cannabis is remarkably safe. Although not harmless, it is surely less toxic than most of the conventional medicines it could replace if it were legally available. Despite its use by millions of people over thousands of years, cannabis has never caused an overdose death."
- Testimony of Professor Lester Grinspoon, M.D.
Associate Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School, before the Crime Subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee, U.S. House of
Representatives, Washington, D.C., October 1, 1997

Most of the time when someone atacks information, especially links that are so easy to pass by. They are trolls with one purpose. To trash the threads. No opposing argument, just intimidation. They are punks. If you are a Victim of Cyberstalking (http://www.ncvc.org/ncvc/main.aspx?dbName=DocumentViewer&DocumentID=32458)

Bivings Group (http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=2905&name=Bivings-Group)

Bivings work, premised on the power of the Internet, engages in covert online attacks and web based front groups.

The Wrecking Crew, on How Conservatives Rule (http://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/8/the_wrecking_crew_thomas_frank_on)
Democracy Now Interview: Thomas Frank
â??Fantastic misgovernment of the kind we have seen is not an accident, nor is it the work of a few bad individuals. It is the consequence of triumph by a particular philosophy of government, by a movement that understands the liberal state as a perversion and considers the market the ideal nexus of human society. This movement is friendly to industry not just by force of campaign contributions but by conviction.â?�

[Rusty Trichome]

I dont know why some people think this site is for medical use only but its not. As it clearly states Cannabis.com and not MedicalCannabis.com.
Because the fucking rules say so...

Nice first post, sticking your foot in your mouth is a good way to introduce onself to the membership...welcome. (now go read the site rules)

CanCom messageboard rules... (http://boards.cannabis.com/cannabis-com-lounge/148152-messageboard-rules.html)

"-- Specifically, the messageboards are reserved for primarily medical marijuana and INFORMATIVE cannabis talk.
if you are not a medical marijuana patient or interested in anything medical marijuana related and ONLY interested in social posting, than these messageboards are NOT for you. If you are posting purely off-topic social threads in the messageboards, consider that your posts will be deleted and your account reset. You must be 18 and over."

Here's a few more...

"Other subjects we do NOT discuss here include
:
-Other criminal activity. This includes but is not limited to: Smuggling, theft, violence, dealing, taking cannabis on public transportation.
-Gang references WILL result in an immediate ban, including in usernames.
-Getting pets or minors high
-Other drugs, including alcohol. This is a very important one. We discuss cannabis products only. Repeated references to other drugs, including misuse of pharmaceuticals, or use of psychoactives that may still be legal in your area, WILL result in a ban.
-Growing in the home of someone who is not aware of your growing activities. This includes parents or housemates who are on your lease. Dormitory growing is also covered under this rule.
-Making home-made smoking devices. This is for your safety.
-Hot-linking sites selling goods or services. Please don't do this."

DdC222:The ironic thing is...you think responsible adults read your dribble as insight? Aside from the cherry-picking of insignificant bullshit, is your hatred getting you anywhere? I'll bet you spent a a couple hours setting the post up, Googling the accuracy, and laughing at your own wit...and I got bored reading it after the first couple of sentances, and as usual, I didn't finish. No big loss...all of your posts are scattered bullshit looking for an uneducated audience to sell the hatred to. What a waste of your time, and your efforts, lol. Perhaps you should try selling shoes or something. I hear they are selling well in Iraq. (but first, likely you should read the above site rules.)

A show of hands...does anyone in the audience feel more comforted after reading how our government is a conspiracy to ensnare us in our own greed...? Does it give you a warm and fuzzy feeling down the inside of your thigh hearing that belief in god is our ignorant path to destruction?

Or does it make you ask...what happened to Respect? Morals? Dignity? Faith? And possibly more importantly...what the fuck happened to our education system? Because it has edumicated a generation of socialist morons running-around with a brain full of half-truths and revisionist liberal theology.

[DdC222]

rustbucket your opinions mean nothing.
Your rules mean even less.
The only way cowards can debate is censorship.
You prove that every post.
Whining about rules. lol

We don't listen to whiners dude. Especially trolls.

I can show thousands of hits on thousands of post to prove your lame opinion wrong. But you ain't worth my time and everyone can read for themselves and take what they want. Like I already said. I don't give a rats ass. Shove them up your ass. Why do you lay awake worrying about it? Or to prove you lie, how would you even know who reads what? You don't, you're afraid of information that might counter your gibberish? Ya thats it. Put up or shut up your gossip is boring and your threats are whimpy. I know real rednecks chicky, your an urban wannabe cowgirl. A racist or typical fascist lapdog appeasing the rushbogs and apologizing for the GOPerverts. Ugly American traitors pushing censorship is nothing new. As a matter a fact I wonder what took you so long. Most freepers censor any content they can't lie about. What are you about rustbucket? You actually say nothing, just bash others. Weak.

You try to intimidate people with your lame ass opinions and I'm here to stop you. Let the people decide. Your an ass in my opinion and thats all I have to say about that forest.

What have we learned kiddies? Khristzion trolls lie about the forefathers and the country being a christian nation.

The Government of the United States of America (http://nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm) is not,
in any sense founded on the Christian religion.

This would be the best of all possible worlds,
if there were no religion in it.
-- John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
-- Thomas Jefferson

The United States is in no way founded upon the Christian religion.
-- George Washington & John Adams, in a diplomatic message to Malta.

Khristzion trolls lie about Ganja.

Christ and Cannabis, Jesus Used Cannabis (http://www.cannabisculture.com/magazine/cc11/christ.html)

"In some districts, inhabited by Latin Americans, Filipinos, Spaniards and Negroes, half the violent crimes are attributed to marijuana craze. Dr. Lee Rice of San Antonio reports that eighty per cent of all the murders committed by Mexicans are done while the killers are drugged by marijuana."
The Christian Century (newspaper) - 1938

Khristzion trolls lie about everything. From Jesus birthday to signing a Nazi concordance. Oh ya, Jesus wasn't a Christian. Christians formed out of Roman and Sanhendren Jews. The wealthy and the military doesn't sound too Jesusy too me. Killing for crusaders or caging sick and healthy Americans for Ganja doesn't sound Christlike. I think the khristzions are just fascist window dressing.

"You have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to devise a system that recognizes this all while not appearing to." (about the War on Drugs to Chief of Staff, H. R. Haldeman, according to Halderman's diaries)
Richard M. Nixon - Former President

Khristzion trolls seem more like Nazi's than Americans...

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
--Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue,
The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93

"Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth... Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea."
- Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people."
- Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi Vatican Concordant of 1933

"How can there be peace when drunkards, drug dealers, communists, atheists, New Age worshipers of Satan, secular humanists, oppressive dictators, greedy money changers, revolutionary assassins, adulterers, and homosexuals are on top?"
--Pat Robertson, The New World Order, p.227

(talking about apartheid South Africa) "I think 'one man, one vote,' just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise. There needs to be some kind of protection for the minority which the white people represent now, a minority, and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights."
--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 3/18/92

A list of hateful things Pat Robertson has said... (http://www.cygnus-study.com/pagepat.shtml)

MMM 5.2.9 D.C. Convergence 7.4.9

[DTRave420]

Religion is not a prerequisite to being a good person...However,if practicing any of the numerous religious faiths,or having a decent upbringing,or just the common sense to know right from wrong helps a person along the path we all have to make our way across,let it be,let it be,let it be...

I believe respectability,morality,dignity,humility,pride, endurance,and love are some of the major pavings these paths are constructed of...

[Rusty Trichome]

Not sure if it's your education level I should be asking about...or your ID i'd like to see, as these ramblings are from someone that sounds like they are either too lazy for original thought, or they are around 16 1/2, going on stupid.


rustbucket your opinions mean nothing.
Your rules mean even less.
The only way cowards can debate is censorship.
You prove that every post.
Whining about rules. lol

We don't listen to whiners dude. Especially trolls.
Yeah...you are above the rules. Looks to me like you are doing the whining, and to an audience that laughs at your hatred, lies and misinformation. (also, not my rules...they are the site rules)


I can show thousands of hits on thousands of post to prove your lame opinion wrong.
Everybody loves to read the comics in the morning. A good laugh with your morning coffee is good medicine. Just because you get some hits on your idiototic rantings, does not mean others are in agreement...it means you are the "joke of the day".
If you go through life thinking everyone that has a different opinion is lame and wrong, you will be lucky to flip burgers for the rest of your life.


But you ain't worth my time and everyone can read for themselves and take what they want. Like I already said. I don't give a rats ass. Shove them up your ass. Why do you lay awake worrying about it? Or to prove you lie, how would you even know who reads what? You don't, you're afraid of information that might counter your gibberish? Ya thats it.
Apparently it concerns you greatly, as you've 'wasted' all your time posting shit that will never convince me that you are anything other than an insignificant whiner. Where's my lies? I've quoted nobody, and I offer nothing but my views on the subject. I find your references invalid, mainly because most are out of context to modern-day meaning and relevance. Plus, I don't hold the same degree of hatred as you, nor do I find every aggregious statement/law in world history in a vain attempt to connect anarchism with cannabis reform.


Put up or shut up your gossip is boring and your threats are whimpy. I know real rednecks chicky, your an urban wannabe cowgirl. A racist or typical fascist lapdog appeasing the rushbogs and apologizing for the GOPerverts. Ugly American traitors pushing censorship is nothing new. As a matter a fact I wonder what took you so long. Most freepers censor any content they can't lie about. What are you about rustbucket? You actually say nothing, just bash others. Weak.
I have to put-up nothing, nor will I shut-up. What are you going to do If I don't? Whine some more to the thousands of people that read and comment on your postings? Oh, that's right...I'm the only one sitting here poking fun at your backwoods attempts at activism. I see nobody joining-in with the Bash Rusty chants. Just an undereducated moron twisting his hatred for all to see.

You seem to be such a sad soul. Since I won't play your cut-n-paste game, I've now been labeled a facist lapdog, GOP apologist, and a racist...among other things. Altho there are a few nouns that I can think of that accurately define you...undereage seems to fit best.


You try to intimidate people with your lame ass opinions and I'm here to stop you. Let the people decide. Your an ass in my opinion and thats all I have to say about that forest. appologist
What have we learned kiddies? Khristzion trolls lie about the forefathers and the country being a christian nation.
I do nothing but speak my mind, but it's real hard to have a battle of wits, with an unarmed person. Your revisionist bullshit and lame accusations fall on deaf ears, when your message is so blindly backasswards and chock-full of inconsistencies.

You claim anarchism is the wave of the future. You claim that we are becoming a police state...and you aren't even a US resident. Regardless...let's say your anarchism claims are valid. Do you realize it's anarchism that will bring-about the police state you fear so blindly?

If you would use your brain (instead of copying others words, often out of context) ...you might even have an original/valid thought of your own. But since you are so entrenched in the lies you've been taught to blindly accept as fact, and since you've been taught to channel the hatred twords others, instead of where it belongs, (aimed at yourself) you will always be an undereducated hack looking for acceptance where there is none.

You slam everything you don't understand, are fearful that someone doesn't hold you in as high esteem as you hold yourself, and you fight daily to be accepted, and by exstention, to be understood. Altho it's easy for us to see where a moron comes from, (stupidity is easy to track) it's very difficult for you to see where we come from, as you obviously suffer from optical rectitis. (your head is so far up your ass, all you can see is your own shit)

God rocks. :thumbsup:

[ArgoSG]

Why would you remind anyone they are breaking rules? Why not let the rules be interpreted by those whose job it is and leave it at that? This position on not objecting to someone because they are breaking a rule, or perhaps trespassing on some sacred taboo is obvious. It allows you to avoid trying to discredit valid statements. A large portion of my argument is directed at medical patients. I agree with previous posters who recognize the reality, and that is the absurdity of cannabis being criminalized. We shouldn't be indifferent towards absurdity, it has a bad habit of allowing for lots of human suffering, something we want to avoid. Unless you're religious, and think you're a sinner, and like the whole self-flagellation thing. I personally don't. If you do, that's great. If you're a consenting adult, by all means indulge in anything, and I mean anything you wish to yourself and only yourself; not your kids. The unfortunate fact is cancer patients, as long as regular tax-paying citizens, the healthy and the sick, are suffering to some degree primarily because of religious prudishness which makes it incredibly difficult to work an already broken political system. This is the activism forum. Everything I write has to do with cannabis, it certainly has to do with medical cannabis, I mention this several times.

Do you have -any- concrete argument? I'm very open to discussion. My purpose isn't to be provocative or even insult anyone here. I have some viewpoints that I'd like to criticize which pertain to Cannabis and Activism. I'm waiting for you to make a claim actually backed up by evidence, or would you like me to take your hearty disagreement with me on faith?

[Rusty Trichome]

Why would you remind anyone they are breaking rules? Why not let the rules be interpreted by those whose job it is and leave it at that? Too funny. You believe that just because this is an activist forum, the rules do not apply to you? Just another "the rules don't apply to me" child. Frankly...I can see you pouting from here.

...This is the activism forum...
Activism: the doctrine or practice of vigorous action or involvement as a means of achieving political or other goals, sometimes by demonstrations, protests, etc.
Gee. I don't see in the definition of activism anywhere that says while an activist is in a medical cannabis forum, those activists are required to destroy faith, values and hope, in a vain attempt to do what...?

You kids never look at the other side of the proverbial coin. I'm an activist pushing personal responsibility, values, hope and love. I use god to find the strength every day. You use hate. My daily life is supplimented with others that have values, hope and faith. You have...<ahem> yourself.


This position on not objecting to someone because they are breaking a rule, or perhaps trespassing on some sacred taboo is obvious. It allows you to avoid trying to discredit valid statements.
The only valid statements, are those that have responded to your crap, yet you haven't addressed any of those replies...you just chose to keep ranting and trying to switch the focus back on me. You've made the statements, now You back 'em up. I'll be waiting with bated breath.


A large portion of my argument is directed at medical patients. Which medical patients...? Because I have been battling Hep-C (type 1A) for about thirty years now, and my wife goes to chemo every two weeks, and will continue to do so till her t-cell lymphoma takes her life, so I'd back off thinking we all think the same crap as you. Not all of us are coming here to see an asshole tell us our faith is garbage, our hope is vain and our beliefs are all fucked-up. However, from where I sit, you are the one in the minority.
Thank you to those that have offered their support in this...your words are too kind.


I agree with previous posters who recognize the reality, and that is the absurdity of cannabis being criminalized. We shouldn't be indifferent towards absurdity, it has a bad habit of allowing for lots of human suffering, something we want to avoid.
And whom has posted anything different? Just because I disagree with your lack of faith, does not mean at all that anybody here feels any differently with regards to decriminalization or legalization. Your idea that I have to agree with your values is laughable.


Unless you're religious, and think you're a sinner, Tell me more about your knowledge of religion. Christianity and Mormonism, in particular. Tell me exactly how all christians and mormons feel.


The unfortunate fact is cancer patients, as long as regular tax-paying citizens, the healthy and the sick, are suffering to some degree primarily because of religious prudishness which makes it incredibly difficult to work an already broken political system. Everything I write has to do with cannabis, it certainly has to do with medical cannabis, I mention this several times.
So now you know all cancer patients and all religious people in here don't know what they believe, but you have the answers for us...? You're pretty fucking narcissistic, aren't you. (narcissitic - erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes, being a normal condition at the infantile level of personality development.)


Do you have -any- concrete argument? I'm very open to discussion. My purpose isn't to be provocative or even insult anyone here. I have some viewpoints that I'd like to criticize which pertain to Cannabis and Activism. I'm waiting for you to make a claim actually backed up by evidence, or would you like me to take your hearty disagreement with me on faith?
Claims...I make no claims, and I avoid using the lazy and ineffective method of cut-n-paste to form my opinions. I can speak for myself, and if I do need proof, you can be damn sure I can find proof. Mostly I speak from decades more experience than you. But unlike you, I don't hate all that feel differently than I.

Why is it that the "activists" are young punks without a clue of how to project their views in a concise and intelligent manner? Why is this like battling an unarmed opponent? Hmmm...likely because I was there thirty-something years ago, and learned then, the difference between bullshit and honest discourse. IMHO, Behind the hate, you are full of bullshit.

[denialisback]

what an excellent excerpt. It would have been nice if one argued the other side of the story.

Which is a bit like this... I would rather believe in the idea of idealism of perfection than the realism of an imperfect mans ideas.

I believe that religion was made by us, for us, is us for this reason.. everyone is a small part of the universe..

Think what i'm trying to say religion causes a lot of stupid shit, but it actually has the same ability to stop a lot of shit, dead. heh, I think the problem is us guys as individuals, or groups, rather than the ideal or perfectionism of the group..

What changes eh?, corrupt systems everywhere corrupted by individuals not the idea.. a million miles by a million miles its called teh world square, the universe can be anywhere with anyone !

peace,
Denial

[denialisback]

PS: if we all saw the same reality we'd all agree. It seems clear, that we all live in unreality and communicate via the conduit of reality with our voices..

Perhaps the only way to free ourselves from our unreality is to believe in something seemingly imaginary outside of our current flawed unreality.

Then maybe people would start agreeing again :) One thing is clear believers seem to live in one reality... scientists another, if only these stupid SOAB's could live in the same one it'd be so much more productive!

Food for thought...




peace,
Denial

[Rusty Trichome]

Think what i'm trying to say religion causes a lot of stupid shit, but it actually has the same ability to stop a lot of shit, dead. heh, I think the problem is us guys as individuals, or groups, rather than the ideal or perfectionism of the group.
If what you are trying to say is that there are some in any group that chose to bastardize the Word in the name of religion, for their own benefit, then yes...I agree.
There are too many sects though, that chose to deny certain tennents of a religion to broaden the 'appeal' of their church. Gay marriage as an example. Radical Muslims, too. Want a bigger tithe...? Bigger donation to the 'cause'? Re-interprete base religiuos tennants to fill the needs of a broader base of "believers". The bible tells no priest nor follower that some of the tennants of christianity are negotiable. It states pretty clearly what's right and what's wrong. Ministers that chose to flaunt those christian tennants are not teaching the word of God, and are in effect bastardizing it. Anyone doubt that the radical muslims are bastardizing Islam for their own pitifully selfish wants?

[DdC222]

Bigots suck. Most rational would agree except if you're pointing at a stoner pothead. I have no "stoner" identity, except to bigots that I have no respect for anyway. I look the way I want and dress the same. Ganja doesn't need Madison Ave to sell it to the politicans. What a Ganja user does on their own is no ones business. Truth has only one side and needs no ribbons and bows. Such hypocrisy I thought could only be found in GOPerville. The LIE is no law, and it will not be overturned by soccer moms in whole or in part, bartering surrealistic issues. Exactly how many bait and switch, demonizing, stalling and special rules to not confuse the jury will it take before y'all get it that it ain't about what is best for the citizens?

The Drug Czar is required by law to lie (http://drugwarrant.com/stories/2007/10/09/theDrugCzarIsRequiredByLaw.html)

DEA implements US police state (http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2281.html)

Besides soccer moms and suits tried that in 69. You will only sucker the desperate into wasting their time making you a name as a "reformer". Another cycle of catch 22's boiling down to arbitrary decisions by Fed clown DEAth sales-chicks or Bizczars. Red Flag, no one person should have power to deny research or a trusted professor the right to conduct an unbiased study without government schwagg removing Science. Hiding cancer studies or lies about the Monkey tests, every few years another initiative then another hobgoblin to battle it. Bi-partisan bogeywomen. Pathetic.

Marijuana: the law vs. 12 million people (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_magazine1.shtml)
Life magazine Oct 31, 1969. 25-35

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SF State University Riot Cops enter the scene. Schmitt,Terry

You side with the stigmatists spreading the gossip that the Panthers were dangerous when they weren't at all. Guns for Defense and feeding the hungry without a permit. You side with Jim Crow because its the law!!! You would have gladly told the black entertainers to use the back door and kept them out of the public swimming pool, because the soccer moms might frown upon you and your plastic life would meltdown before us. We bring attention to the problems but you want to be politically correct and end up avoiding the solutions.

THE POLICE STATE COMETH by Rep.Ron Paul (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/628)

Congressman Ron Paul: Archives (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul-arch.html)
Past articles by Congressman Ron Paul on LewRockwell.com

Hippies brought attention to the war and soccer moms gave it a positive spin away from the bigots headlines. That was 71 when I was there in DC in the rain. The frickin war ended in 75 long after soccer mommy went away and forgot about it. The same as they did letting Nexxon lie and disregard Science while soccer babe was enlightened by a third rate Watergate burglary red herring bait and switch. If you think lies will solve our problem just keep acting like sheep, I'm sure the wolves will feel sorry and give you whatever you ask for. If you just smile and curtsy and wear nice clothes, not hemp!

Berkeley in the 60's (http://63.249.88.159/cablecast/public/Show.aspx?ChannelID=2&ShowID=6857)

Thank God for Hippies (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150)

What are you reforming junior? Nothing wrong with Ganja as it is. We're at zero% harm, maybe 1% if republicans toke and they offer 10% and you want to ConPromise and settle for 5% to justify a diet prohibition? Or arsenic or pcb's or whatever else you believe is by-partisan insanity. Fear driven, naive or drunk, can one be so blindly obedient sober? You're willing to settle for what they give you, on their terms for something granted free to everyone and you have a Constitution protecting your rights, unless you give them away.

Free Speech TV! (http://www.freespeechtv.org)
Call Toll Free: 888-FSTV-TLK(378-8855)

communitytv.org (http://www.communitytv.org)

Like both sides did with the Patriot Ax. Higher Education Ax, RAVE Ax and yearly repeats of the Internet Censorship Ax. Both sides majority sent 4000+ kids to die in the lie in Iraq. Sent by the very same chickenhawk suits you want to bow down too because they are the system, thats the way it is, you'll NEVER get that contraption off the ground Wilber! Sad.

Propaganda Then and Now (http://www.linktv.org/video/2362)

Anti-pot propaganda 14 Mar, 2005 (http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4185.html)
US feds are addicted to making up fake anti-pot news.

Ganja is or it is not and Science says it is while arbitrary corporatism says it isn't and nothing no how no way is going to change that. Going along with the contrary is the act of a coward standing buck naked in her new suit the Emperor sent over for the DARE ball. If the truth ain't good enough then the people your telling ain't good enough.

You Can Drink Yourself to Death (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/30/194745/12)
But You Canâ??t Smoke Pot
by One Pissed Off Liberal Thu Nov 30, 2006

The Bush-Cheney Drug Empire (http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1841.html)

The law is bogus, therefore not real and we don't waste taxes reforming what isn't real. Unless your paychecks come from it not being real. Or even lower, your ego's saving the world from drug zombies or saving the world from drug worriers. You probably think the civil rights act stopped racism, nope. Feds opened the door for state cop collection agencies and anyone not buying from Jerry Brownose schemes still gets busted. Denigrating Prop 215 with his own blurry vision of a gubernatorial run. Only the citizens can overturn a citizens state proposition. No city, county or politician. No court can legislate as in Charlie Lynch. Stop appeasing the liars and stand up for your rights. Not like the wimpy kids going along with the program letting politikops pisstaste them and pigs search their privates and possessions. You're raising a flock of sheep not Americans. Strong obedient soccer kids hoping someday to be chanting with the witches Winkie Guards... Ooo - eeeee - hoo! Yooo - ho! Ooo - eeeee - hoo! Yooo - ho!

Souder Illusion: Drug Sentencing Reform Ax (http://tinyurl.com/Souder-Higher-Ed-Ax)

D.E.A.th Deceptions (http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/ddc/DEAth.html)

"A violently active, intrepid, brutal youth that is what I am after...
I will have no intellectual training.
Knowledge is ruin for my young men."
Adolf Hitler quoted by John Gunther "The Nation"

Careful, Drugwar Lies Linked to Schizophrenia (http://tinyurl.com/2y7hay)

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If people are that plastic to judge a person by their looks then they are sheep and will never ever go against their sugar daddies obviously influencing them/you what to think. I suggest you put energy into truth over turning the lie and not continue wishing on stars and weegee boards. Or lawyers.

Cover-Ups, Prevarications, Subversions & Sabotage (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=512)

Hemp Fuel, Bio Mass/Bio Diesel (http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/ddc/Fuel.html)

Economics: Energy, Environment and Commerce (http://www.jackherer.com/chapter09.html)

THE OIL WAR OF 1872 (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/647)

If the system was fair it would have never been outlawed and there is too much money in prohibition and keeping corporate competition off the market to "legal the lies", I'm wagering Americans are believers to a point. The only tool we've had in the last 75 years started about a decade ago on the net. For 75 years propaganda has broadcasted one side of the story the believers saw and heard and almost unanimously read. Outside of a few doper mags no one bought outside of users.

Flush Rush (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=136)

"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold to the masses over generations,
the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic."
- Dresden James

Profiling people as stoners or drunks, I'd take stoner. Otherwise I'm as much a middle class working American as anyone here. And I don't need ad hominem, just the facts ma'am. But I am good at ad hominem if you care to have a fling. You already outed yourself as one willing to sacrifice healthy users of benign substances for a little personal "legal" quasi safety of their own.

Signs of Sickness and D.E.A.th (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4143#4143)

Judges Caging Kids for Cash & Rehabmolestations (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4246#4246)

Teens More Likely To Try Ganja After DEAthreats (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=165)

Would you rather exorcize your rights or stay the dysfunctional status weird apologists you mimic? You believe something must be wrong with Ganja or it would be legal? You think hemp gets you high, or maybe its a place to hide kynd bud and pray it doesn't cross pollinate turning it into burlap. Coincidence ditchweed makes up 98% of the "marijuana" eradication statistics. Why why why?

The Ganjawar Fraud... (http://tinyurl.com/The-Ganjawar-Fraud)

Dr. Heath/Tulane Study, 1974 (http://www.jackherer.com/chapter15.html)

Cannabis Shrinks Tumors: Government Knew in 74 (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n572/a11.html?1979)

Why does the drug czar lie? To keep it illegal? If it was harmful like fossil fools, milk or NASCAR or Botchulism wouldn't they have tangible evidence? I use prop 215 for some patients, even though the first thing cops go for is the patient list. Personally I don't recognize it though I gathered signatures to pass it. Like a poker game with the mafia. You can't out bid them and they win just playing the game.

Race and the Drug War (http://www.drugpolicy.org/communities/race)

The Ganjawar Comes To The Rez (http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/565127/site_id/1#import)

I wear hemp because its comfortable, and use the seed and oil nutritionally and the buds for patients in a tincture, I've smoked since 69, steady since 71 so tell me how the suits making a fortune on prohibition are going to just see the light and saved the poor wreched merkins? Pitiful how they sell their souls for the least bit of favor. Oh beg them real hard and maybe they won't cage you or shoot you like Tom and Rollie or Ms Johnson. Fantasyland...

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Teddy Kennedy's Cannabis Brain Tumor Cure (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1198)

DEA's War on Chronic Pain Doctors and Patients (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=311)

It is not girl scouts your dealing with honey, its Fascism. Perhaps its best to bury your head... it will be more pseudo comfortable. Whiners and apologists appeasing the tyrants along with the Priests and TVangelists. The "educated" idiots verifying myths to save their own asses and practices filled with young girls and their sample kits. To experiment on the sick, all with expensive side effect meds. Can't sell pills to one preventing ills. Curing disease lays off workers. Healthy food might lead to healthy bods and maybe a cognizant thought and ideas outside of the box. Ooo - eeeee - hoo!

People need to understand medical fascism (http://www.whale.to/b/ruesch.html)

ENERGY CRISIS: Ford And Diesel Never Intended Cars To Use Gasoline (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=872)

I see in the near future a crisis approaching (http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showthreaded&Number=1503486)

Short term memory? It was the "stoners" like us helping the early log cabin aids victims rayguns boosh denied. Stoners buying most of the hemp products and providing the Ganja market a long standing loyal customer... and we don't believe there is anything to apologize for, or do we have any problem distinguishing between stoner flick comedy actors and government approved reefer mad documentaries produced by the alcohol distributors of America... It's of little wonder how Boosh got re-elected to aid the World Banksters hijacking the Treasury and still sits freely outside of a cage cause of By-Partisan Just Us and the silent believers gathering spills of authoritah.
and thats all I have to say about that...

This has been a public service announcement... (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1215)

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country... Corporations have bee enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money-power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
-- Abraham Lincoln, November 12, 1864

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I think age limits keep part of a prohibition and therefore a black market and profits for more prisons. How about a novel idea and make parents responsible for their kids? Then instead of making more humans we can't feed among the 6+ billion already here. We tax em. Might deter wingnuts having 8 frankenkids on welfare.

Instead of giving tax shelters for the "choice" of state authorized co habitation, and more deduction shelters for each new human produced. If you can't feed the first born then why would you produce more? Why should I pay for your choice? Or why should I babysit your kids? Or pay for their upkeep? We fork out $42 billion to save the junkies for snitching, while busting 800k for possession all based on saving the kids their soccer moms ain't watching.

Why should a religious cult making billions in "non profits" not pay non profits tax? A tax on prophets. How can it possibly be non profit? They receive income, they spend it in the very same places we all do. They teach things we don't even agree with and yet they don't have to help with the poor? I get to pay the salary of a Priest or 700 Clubber like the worthless politicians salary? Although they do sometimes act like non prophets.

Its totally absurd to give a boy or girl a gun and tell them to shoot people or drop bombs on what they can't even see, calling the dead children they hit, collateral damage. Drive a lethal weapon at 16 and legally make "legitimate" babies. Or abort the ilicit ones. Then say they're not old enough to drink a beer or smoke a joint.

Common hypocrisy, like the division between the Hampsters and the MMJ Doctor groupies back stabbing each other while both sides condemn and blame the stoners for keeping the "proper" part of the plant outlawed. Pitiful display of con artists. Greed stricken selfish who don't deserve Ganja. Continuing the legacy of Boosh fraud and flagrant Fascism. Granting pseudo liberty to Brownose chosen ones over a LIE. Thats weak.

Think of the message being sent to the kids? (http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=76175&f=230)

Ooo - eeeee - hoo! Yooo - ho! (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4255#4255)

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[DdC222]

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Not sure if it's your education level I should be asking about...or your ID i'd like to see, as these ramblings are from someone that sounds like they are either too lazy for original thought, or they are around 16 1/2, going on stupid.

[DdC222]

Demonizing Religionists

This is the land of Lincoln where people believe in God...
-Ass Monique Davis

"The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."
-- Abraham Lincoln

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Representative Monique D. Davis (D) 27th District
Springfield Office: 241-E Stratton Office Building
Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-0010 (217) 782-1795 FAX
District Office: 1234 West 95th Street Chicago, IL 60643
(773) 445-9700 (773) 445-5755 FAX Cook County
Years served: 1987 - Pending

"I don't know what you have against God, but some of us don't have much against him. We look forward to him and his blessings... I'm trying to understand the philosophy that you want to spread in the state of Illinois... This is the land of Lincoln where people believe in God... What you have to sprew and spread is extremely dangerous... It's dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists... Get out of that seat! You have no right to be here! We believe in something. You believe in destroying! You believe in destroying what this state was built upon."
-Ass Monique Davis

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Feb. 5, 1944
THE UNION SIGNAL -(National Woman's Christian Temperance Union)
"Tea Scandal Stirs Musicdom" - Reprint from Down Beat Magazine.

"Obviously, Assemblywoman Davis owes the witness and everybody in this country who believes in freedom of religion an apology. And if she can't figure that out, she should resign and take her prejudice with her. She also needs to improve her own education. That phrase, 'this is the Land of Lincoln, where people believe in God'; Miss Davis said that in Springfield, where, when Lincoln first ran for Congress in 1846, the future great president was accused by his opponent of being an atheist. You not only spat on the fundamental American freedom to embrace religion, a religion or no religion, Assemblywoman Davis, but you also made a damn fool of yourself in the process. State Representative Monique Davis, Democrat of Illinois, today's Worst Person in the World."
-Keith Olbermann

We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow those who pervert the Constitution.
-Abraham Lincoln

Davis' anti-atheist tirade goes national (http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2008/04/davis-anti-athe.html)

On April 8, 2008, the Council for Secular Humanism said it was "appalled by Davisâ??s apparent belief that atheists and other nonreligious individuals are not entitled to the same rights and liberties as other citizens." Director of the Council's First Amendment Task Force, Ronald A. Lindsay said "She is unfit to serve in her office, just as a representative who told a Jew or a Hindu to â??get out of that seatâ?? would be unfit to serve. If she does not resign, the Illinois House has an obligation to expel her."

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Feb 22, 1936

Is Atheism dangerous? (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24020314#24020314)
worst person broadcast film clip

"When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. `What do you mean?' the media challenged me. `You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?' My simple answer is, `Yes, they are.'"
-from Pat Robertson's "The New World Order," page 218

"The United States is in no way founded upon the Christian religion."
-- George Washington & John Adams, in a diplomatic message to Malta

Keith Olbermann,: Worst Person in the World (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677)

"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
-- John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson

Keith Olbermann Calls Atheist-Hating Illinois State Rep. Monique Davis (http://www.newstin.com/go-to-link/51983692/http://fr.reddit.com/goto?rss=true&id=t3_6f3eg)
"Worst Person in the World!

"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens,
nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
-- George Bush

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"One Place to Get Tough"
Cleveland Press, Nov 13, 1936

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
-- Thomas Jefferson

On Thursday, April 10, Sherman reported on his website, and Olbermann reported on Countdown, that Assemblywoman Davis called him personally to apologize for her remarks, and that he accepted her apology. She stated that she was angry because of the shooting deaths of two students earlier that day.

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
-- Mahatma Gandhi

THE REEFER MADNESS ERA (http://reefermadnessmuseum.org)

The Dark side of Old Time Radio (http://reefermadnessmuseum.org/otr/Written.htm)
Examining the facts behind the conspiracy

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"Neither the trappings of robes, nor temples of stone, nor a fixed liturgy, nor an extensive literature or history is required to meet the test of beliefs cognizable under the Constitution as religious. So far as our law is concerned, one person's religious beliefs held for one day are presumptively entitled to the same protection as the beliefs of millions which have been shared for thousands of years."
-- Judge Jack Weinstein, New York State, 1977

Hawaii Supreme Court Rules Against Religious Marijuana Use (http://tinyurl.com/4mbpke)
AP, via FOX News, USA Oct. 1, 2007
The court decided that Joseph Sunderlandâ??s freedom of religion didnâ??t give him the right to smoke marijuana, but it didnâ??t rule on whether Hawaiiâ??s strong privacy protections would have shielded him.

US Supreme Court Allows Religious Hallucinogenic Tea (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40&highlight=religion)

U.S. vs Boyll Native American Church (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1197)

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Faith-Based Rehabilitation (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=541&highlight=religion)

Demonizing Drugs (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=233&highlight=religion)

Christian Extremism and Terrorism In History (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110&highlight=religion)

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Jan. 15, 1943

THE PSYCHEDELICS AND RELIGION (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1200)

Do Drugs Have Religious Import? (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1201)

On Indications of the Hachish-Vice in the OT (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1203)

What Would Jesus Do About Dope? (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1206)

Stamp Out Emily Murphy (racist, prohibitionist) Campaign (http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8960&sid=5c11d7ebaf019b8cee481beb20f91287)

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Prohibition vs. Christianity (http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/pdf/Pro%20vs%20Christianity.pdf)
(The North American Review, 1918)

Seeing that much of the momentum to prohibit the national sale, distribution and consumption of wine and spirits originated with a hardy chunk of the observant Christian community, the Reverend John Cole McKim decided to weigh in on the topic. McKim tended to believe that:

"Christ, being divine and consequently infallible, could not have erred. Since it is well known that Christ used wine Himself and gave it to others..."

He further opined: "But to vote what one regards as a natural right shall be declared forever illegal, is cowardly, un-American, and un-Christian."

Cannabis and Divinity (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1161)

"In some districts, inhabited by Latin Americans, Filipinos, Spaniards and Negroes, half the violent crimes are attributed to marijuana craze. Dr. Lee Rice of San Antonio reports that eighty per cent of all the murders committed by Mexicans are done while the killers are drugged by marijuana."
-The Christian Century (newspaper) - 1938

Ancient Temple Hashish Incense! Did Jesus Inhale? (http://www.cannabinoid.com/boards/thd7x4426.shtml)

Cannabis and the Old Testament (http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/mayjune96/kanehbosm.html)

Cannabis Culture Archives: Sacrament (http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/dbarticles.cgi?head=SACRAMENT)

Bong Hits 4 Jesus (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=352&highlight=religion)

Pot Church Takes a Hit (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=244&highlight=religion)

[denialisback]

If what you are trying to say is that there are some in any group that chose to bastardize the Word in the name of religion, for their own benefit, then yes...I agree.
There are too many sects though, that chose to deny certain tennents of a religion to broaden the 'appeal' of their church. Gay marriage as an example. Radical Muslims, too. Want a bigger tithe...? Bigger donation to the 'cause'? Re-interprete base religiuos tennants to fill the needs of a broader base of "believers". The bible tells no priest nor follower that some of the tennants of christianity are negotiable. It states pretty clearly what's right and what's wrong. Ministers that chose to flaunt those christian tennants are not teaching the word of God, and are in effect bastardizing it. Anyone doubt that the radical muslims are bastardizing Islam for their own pitifully selfish wants?

I'm trying to say that idealism or perfectionism isnt the problem, the problem is the crazy people that'll
A) do anything to get it (insistant of their models outright value)
B) discredit other systems (insistant of their righteousness)
C) demonstrate well that the problem is the human condition itself, rather than a perfect idea or a perfect god (show through A and B that it seems to be the way we are thinking, or where we are in reality, rather than plainly our models or ideals being the variable factor - people and/or their realities seem to be)

One thing that still stands out clear is simple.... god represents something that science hasn't and cannot yet. That is an idea so unreal to our unreality that it just might be real... that said: God is a hollistic ideal, idea, or point of inspiration, creativity, meaning. It represents everything science tries to achieve.. All knowing, all being, etc..

If only people realised that they were achieving the same thing differently then everyone would be happier.

Furthermore, if we all saw reality, then how come everybodies unrealities differ so much???

God is a model, science is a model. Science uses "fact" yet ignores that belief is required, faith is required in their models and instruments. religious people shouldn't expect things to be any different, but they are, because it seems to be "faith alone" that drives them, rather than fact. Hmm, no, actually its just the model they apply. Problems only start when our minds existing unreality disagrees with other peoples minds, or unrealities...

If for a second we realised that nobody is living in the same reality, what is real or unreal would take a special and new meaning... and perhaps then the models and ideals of science and religion(god) would be seen in an all new light, maybe, just maybe, for what they are..

Peace,
denial

[denialisback]

I suppose my messages to scientists or antigod's is this, do you know everything? does science yet? Sometimes a symbol is just a symbol, sometimes a definition just a definition, sometimes a model as a model representing that symbolisation. Science does this all the time, so does religion, its full of holistical symbolism.

My message for religious people would have to be something like this... god is great yes, representing a higher force of interest or ideal (in our unreality) - that itself is a part of "each individuals reality" - the symbolism, meaning and affectual thoughts are quite distinct. And sometimes, occasionally allow people to understand something beyond them.

Religion and science both believe that things exist beyond them. the only , and this is the ONLY difference, science believes that time is required to master all things, religion believes that no matter how much time passes man will not master all things... and I think a few scientists might even agree with the religious zealots :) Informatically and thermodynamically (entropy) knowing everything is impossible.

God represents that ideal, nothing else has or can yet, scientists? hit me :)

Start seeing words as symbols or systems and you might find they teach..

[DdC222]

Rustbucket has no fact, just lame opinion. Note he never starts a topic and answers in opinion and references the same lame opinion to back it. Typical slave, as noted before. All quotes are too old to apply today? Language is the same and the meaning is the same but it is in opposition to the apologists dogs. Not ad hominem, just the facts ma'am.

As for hits on my post more lame opinion. People reply to emails and posts and again, once I post its up to each individual to discern the content. rusted opinion or the forefathers. I don't take Bush lickers at face value. They all have ulterior motives. Mostly to divert and trash. No different with rustbuster. Bring it on junior. Just bring an adult opinion without the silly sobbing and whining. Pointing fingers is the only game you got boy. Point em at me and I'll break them. That ain't hate, its disgust for cowards appeasing their masters. Burning the Constitution while wrapping themselves in the plastic banner made in Chinese sweatshops by kids they send messages.

This is a democracy boy, I'm not an anarchist, just observant and really, now get this chump, I really care less about anyones opinions especially kiss ass fools like you. My opinions are referenced for anyone to see. If you disagree bring an alternative... not just say no like your Hollywood slut nanny rayguns. Better yet, die. That would make me happy, and after all isn't that your real concern - My Happiness? Another rush flush, to the septic with the GOPerverts!

Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

Matthew 22. The Holy Bible: King James Version.
Matthew 22. The Holy Bible: King James Version. (http://www.bartleby.com/108/40/22.html)
Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, Acts 23.3 which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

Jesus Denounces the Scribes and Pharisees

In Hebrew, the word is kaneh-bosm (kan = reed or hemp, bosm = aromatic)

"... cane that the Lord prescribes for the holy oil is kaneh-bosm, and is translated as fragrant cane. ..."

genus name, Cannabis, is thought to derive from the Hebrew kaneh-bosm, meaning "aromatic reed," and/or the Greek name for this plant, ..."

"... to make a holy oil consisting of "myrrh, sweet cinnamon, kaneh bosm and kassia. ..."

"... of Rameses II (nineteenth dynasty). The suggestion that cannabis was kaneh bosm (one of the ingredients of the Holy 50 ..."

"... the Old Testament and in the Aramaic translation, the word kaneh or keneh is used either alone or linked to the adjective bosm in Hebrew and busma in Aramaic, meaning aromatic. ..."

"The Anatolians call the sacred plants kaneh bosm." When the Essene high priest begins to feel the effects ..."

"... do tell us of several references to some- thing called kaneh or kaneh-bosm, which has been variously praised and pro- hibited in scripture. ..."

Kaneh Videos
Kaneh Videos - Watch Video about Kaneh on Mefeedia (http://mefeedia.com/tags/kaneh)

Marijuana for Dopes

Secrets of the Magickal Grimoires:
The Classical Texts of Magick Deciphered

The Ark, the Shroud, and Mary:
The Untold Truths About the Relics of the Bible

Cannabis: A History

Amazon.com
"kaneh bosm"

The Holy Bible: King James Version. 2000.

Ben-Yehuda`s Pocket English-Hebrew Hebrew-English Dictionary

The Second Book of Moses, Called Exodus 30: 23
The Anointing Oil and the Incense Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty shekels,

Kaneh bosm = cannabis hemp.
The really great news! (http://www.thc-ministry.org/wwwboard/messages/67.html)

God and ganja
God and Ganja (http://www.tc.columbia.edu/centers/cifas/Drugsandsociety/resources/godandganja.html)

kaneh bosm = Cannabis
kanehbosm (http://www.njweedman.com/kanehbosm.html)
In the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament there are references to hemp, both as incense, which was an integral part of religious celebration, and as an intoxicant"(Benet 1975). Through comparative etymological study, Bennett documented that in the Old Testament and in its Aramaic translation, the Targum Onculos, hemp is referred to as kaneh bosm, which is also rendered in traditional Hebrew as kannabos or kannabus. The root "kan" in this construction means "reed" or "hemp", while "bosm" means "aromatic". This word appeared in Exodus 30:23, Song of Songs 4:14., Isaiah 43:24, Jeremiah 6:20, Ezekiel 27:19.

How sad! (http://cannabisnews.com/news/24/thread24454.shtml#4)
posted by Garry Minor on February 02, 2009

How sad is it when a man with brain cancer, Senator Kennedy, cannot be treated with a substance that will cure his disease because of a godless, mindless, racist, ignorant law and a brainwashed society! In 2000 Dr. Manuel Guzman of Complutense University in Madrid Spain rediscovered what our ancestors knew thousands of years ago, that THC destroys tumors with no negative side effects whatsoever. His team also irrigated the brains of healthy rats with high doses of THC for seven days and again found no negative side effects. These results have been duplicated around the globe since 2000 on many different kinds of cancer. How sad this treatment wasn't available for Mr. Kennedy. The really sad thing is that our Government has known that THC kills cancer cells since 1974 when researchers at the Medical College of Virginia, funded by the National Institutes of Health to find evidence that marijuana damages the immune system, instead found that THC slowed the growth of three kinds of cancer in mice, lung and breast cancer, and a virus induced leukemia. We never heard this! A man named Rick Simpson from Cannada now makes what he calls "Hemp oil" which is basically a THC paste that is proven to cure cancers and many other ailments now common today. His web site is called "Phoenix Tears," his you tube video is, "Run from the Cure." Check it out! Recent archaeological evidence proves that the ancient Egyptians and Sumerians were well aware of the anti-tumoral powers of THC and it's many other medicinal properties. The Egyptians knew cannabis as Shemshemet, the Sumerians A.ZAL.LA, the Chinese Ma, the Hebrews called it Kaneh bosm.

[denialisback]

How sad is it when a man with brain cancer, Senator Kennedy, cannot be treated with a substance that will cure his disease because of a godless, mindless, racist, ignorant law and a brainwashed society! In 2000 Dr. Manuel Guzman of Complutense University in Madrid Spain rediscovered what our ancestors knew thousands of years ago, that THC destroys tumors with no negative side effects whatsoever. His team also irrigated the brains of healthy rats with high doses of THC for seven days and again found no negative side effects. These results have been duplicated around the globe since 2000 on many different kinds of cancer. How sad this treatment wasn't available for Mr. Kennedy. The really sad thing is that our Government has known that THC kills cancer cells since 1974 when researchers at the Medical College of Virginia, funded by the National Institutes of Health to find evidence that marijuana damages the immune system, instead found that THC slowed the growth of three kinds of cancer in mice, lung and breast cancer, and a virus induced leukemia. We never heard this! A man named Rick Simpson from Cannada now makes what he calls "Hemp oil" which is basically a THC paste that is proven to cure cancers and many other ailments now common today. His web site is called "Phoenix Tears," his you tube video is, "Run from the Cure." Check it out! Recent archaeological evidence proves that the ancient Egyptians and Sumerians were well aware of the anti-tumoral powers of THC and it's many other medicinal properties. The Egyptians knew cannabis as Shemshemet, the Sumerians A.ZAL.LA, the Chinese Ma, the Hebrews called it Kaneh bosm.

hey rustbucket, i don't entirely like your attitude to be frank, but you seem to know a lot of weird facts (a.k.a. that weird guy that knows too many weird facts). often people like you/me get told we are crazy... true!

We are trying to take on the pharmaceutical companies that is seriously crazy... but wait, seriously, I know of rick simpson, long live that guy for showing people heart disease, skin cancer and cancer are all 100% treatable clinically with a natural plant! lol, it's truly priceless...

priceless as in brilliant/hillarious
priceless also as unpatentable and worth $0.00

gee sucks! no chemo! no monies!
FUCK YOU pharma :D

peace,
denial

[DdC222]

Such Hate? Must be an Anarchist...

Luke 14:26 (KJV)
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and
wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life
also, he cannot be my disciple." ~ Jesus Christ

Matthew 10:34-38 (KJV)
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send
peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against
his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in
law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his
own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not
worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not
worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after
me, is not worthy of me." ~ Jesus Christ

[denialisback]

sorry, meant hey ddc, not hey, rustbucket :D lol i suck


Peace,
Denial

[DdC222]

Looks to me like...

Exactly, not truth or even logic. Just lame opinion of a child afraid to leave the fold of GOPerverted opinions to enslave the working. Looks to you like the sky is falling but that doesn't mean its true or even that your opinion even matters. Laugh like the fools you are boy.


Everybody loves to read the comics in the morning.

I don't.


A good laugh with your morning coffee is good medicine.

Coffee has caffeine and Kellogg 7th day adventists clowns should know better than to adulterate their Christian bodies with such dope.


Just because you get some hits on your idiototic rantings, does not mean others are in agreement...it means you are the "joke of the day".

I don't solicit agreement and you're the joke of the day. Listen simpleton, anyone can verify your lame opinion and see its as big a lie as your religion. If the websites and articles I bring are funny, then they should answer the authors and tell them. I see no such replies to my post so I have to reckon your an idiot. But hey I already knew that.


If you go through life thinking everyone that has a different opinion is lame and wrong, you will be lucky to flip burgers for the rest of your life.

Again lame opinion from a high school drop out? And once again junior, my life is none of your business and lame opinions are always opposite of mine, why would I agree with them? Only ass kissers agree with their masters dictation. You and Fox Newts are dittohead idiots. Fact, not opinion.


Apparently it concerns you greatly, as you've 'wasted' all your time posting shit that will never convince me

Not my job to remove stink from shit boy. Live with it.


Where's my lies?

We have all shown you your lies and you deny everything anyone posts so what is the point son. Why don't you ask mommy, maybe she can keep you out of trouble with things obviously over your pinhead. Crying won't cut it in this mans world junior. Bring something besides what O'Really cuts and paste. Prove one lame sentence you claim? Just one boy. No dribble, Fact. Like the fact this country was NOT founded on Christianity. Or the Fact that this drug war makes a lot of people money and your nark ass is included. Why bring truth when the TV tells such good lies? This is the only place to find alternative opinion to your status weirdness. Sad lapdog. Again not ad hominem just observation. Yep you sir are a lapdog.


I've quoted nobody, and I offer nothing but my views on the subject.

There lies the problem dude. You offer nothing.


I find your references invalid, mainly because most are out of context to modern-day meaning and relevance.

Lame opinion. References are totally valid to prove you lie. Out of context is denial. This country still exists so what the founders say is very valid. What hannity says is garbage with no references in real time. Jesus was not a Christian boy. Wake up and smeel the caffine.


Plus, I don't hold the same degree of hatred as you, nor do I find every aggregious statement/law in world history in a vain attempt to connect anarchism with cannabis reform.

Plus you're a minus. Negative too anything outside of your home made fabrications. You hold no degree except as a moral midget with no concept of a free society. You latch onto your mommy and hope she defends you from truth. Again I'm no Anarchist and I doubt if you know what one is. I believe in small governments adhering to the Constitution, you hate the Constitution and justify bastardizing it for your own selfish lame ass life with Boosh. Worshipping money. That is a sorry life even for a lifeless lapdog. Pitifuckingful waste of sperm cells. Your parents would have been better off aborting.


Put up or shut up your gossip is boring and your threats are whimpy. Weak. DdC

I have to put-up nothing, nor will I shut-up.

You have nothing and its the internet dude. No talking, thats the rule. Just words made out of pixels. You hearing things drunk?


What are you going to do If I don't?

What I always do. Post for others to read your dribble. Kids laugh at it in antiDARE class. Parents see how opinions serve as fact for drug worriers like you. Politicians see the hatred and division and red herrings diverting attention from what you want no one to see. Let the people decide dude. Its not up to you or me to change their minds, just present them information. Mine is outside of your TV memo reading and I know its over your head and making you all sweaty and nervous. But hey, you can always walk in front of a bus and make us free Americans happy? Take Wallstreet punks with you.


Whine some more to the thousands of people that read and comment on your postings? Oh, that's right...I'm the only one sitting here poking fun at your backwoods attempts at activism. I see nobody joining-in with the Bash Rusty chants. Just an undereducated moron twisting his hatred for all to see.

You see what you want, why do you think I care about your lies? I bash idiots like you for comedy relief since I don't kill trees to read lame comics. Your opinion has no basis in reality. I show you where my thoughts are formed with references. I show your lies with physical based reality. It is or it is not dude, your opinion of what something is is irrelevant. Most know this and only see you repeating the same gibberish for every post you reply. Doesn't that get old even for a ditto? Boring.


You seem to be such a sad soul. Since I won't play your cut-n-paste game, I've now been labeled a facist lapdog, GOP apologist, and a racist...among other things. Altho there are a few nouns that I can think of that accurately define you...undereage seems to fit best.

That means less than nothing. What I seem to be is nothing for you to fret over. I couldn't search the references I do if I was your age dude. I know of these because I was there 40 years ago while you were a collection of masturbation fodder splattered on the wall. My age has nothing to do with the definitions I post. You think your opinion means anything to anyone beside you and your high school friends? I offer titles that fit, you hurl insults because of anger and hate. You are a GOPervert because you pervert the Constitution like most Boosh followers. I don't think your an asshole because of hate. I think you're an asshole because you say things assholes say. Not a big rock science project lillymay.


What have we learned kiddies? Khristzion trolls lie about the forefathers and the country being a christian nation... DdC

I do nothing but speak my mind, but it's real hard to have a battle of wits, with an unarmed person. Your revisionist bullshit and lame accusations fall on deaf ears, when your message is so blindly backasswards and chock-full of inconsistencies.

Lies from a file of opinions you read before each shift bozo? You a Bivings clown or just a cheerleader? Your opinion is contradictory. You have no mind to speak from. Just a recording or your masters words. Repeating them until they come true boy? What a joke. Again revisionist bullshit can not be on Ganja dude, nothing to revise except the lie legislated for politicops and greedy moneysluts. That is off topic and against the rules. I thought you was a stickler. More drunken slob verbage.


You claim anarchism is the wave of the future.

You lie. Never said such a thing. I think Anarchism is misnomered as a form of Libertarian. I agree tribal settings would bring more freedom for the individual but we have too many people to govern in a tribal setting. I'm not against either party, just the bullshit you bring.


You claim that we are becoming a police state...

I bring others claims and evidence that most would think so. But I have never spoken or typed those words. Guess you got another opinion wrong dude. Ron Paul thinks it is. Caging sick people sure seems like it is. Bogus laws made up for idiots like you to be safe. Patriot Ax groupies like you probably think its jolly good. What a sissy. C&P would keep your lies from embarrassing you crybaby. Ask mommy to teach you how.


and you aren't even a US resident.

Another lie, like what you say has actual meaning or something. Do you not realize half of what you post can be disproven? I was born in Pittsburgh last time I checked it was part of the US. How about you commie? St Petersburgh or Berlin?


Regardless...let's say your anarchism claims are valid.

Regardless... I have no anarchism claims. The claims are numerous so lumping everything in one lame basket is foolish. I claim prohibitionists are Fascist, by definition a merging of corporatists and state. Many fascisms in our country boy. But then what else from a fool should I expect. Bring it on boy. Don't be shy. Let everyone read the rusty fools mouthfarts and judge for themselves. Posting in multiple monikers won't geterdone fred. Your isp is of the government. hummmm the plot thickens? Calvina's spokesboy, LOL


Do you realize it's anarchism that will bring-about the police state you fear so blindly?

Again the police state has been here a long while boy, just because you find out doesn't change a thing. Again its not anarchy I post its reality you missed in your programmed TV and censored schoolbooks. Copying others quotes and articles only gives reference to the content origin. You on the other hand only divert people from those post like you don't want them read. That is the sure sign of a slave and a police state. Lies taught are taught for moneysluts. Not to legalize a free plant. That is so ridiculous I can only let others see for themselves. Prove what I bring is not true. Bring something fool, not just your bossmans orders. Accept this, I want no one to accept what I post at face value. I want them to check it out for themselves and they can't do that with any of the status quo medias. That is your fear, not what I bring but what if others see it and stop believing in the program you profit on. Let the people decide. Not just here, as stated this will go to hundreds of forums and printed for Libraries and classes. Bring it on lameducky.


You slam everything you don't understand

Once again more lame opinion. If I don't understand what dude, you bring nothing to oppose what I say except your lame opinion. Like your maybe god or something. Oh that explains why I have no respect for religion. Liars like you. You have no clue what I understand or even what I disagree with. Your just a kid getting a pat on the head to please those who sign your paycheck. Instead of repeating your opinion, since that obviously is all you have. Why not argue the points you disagree with instead of hollering down everyone with mean spirited attacks? Afraid your neat and tidy world will collapse with truth. If I was you I would too. Go hide boy!


fearful that someone doesn't hold you in as high esteem as you hold yourself, and you fight daily to be accepted, and by exstention, to be understood.

Opinion since you don't know me. It fits you better than me. I bring new information, you repeat Fox News. I care less if you agree or hold me in any form. Too care about one I have no respect for would be awful republican of me wouldn't it? OK for those who missed rugrats first 75 opinions. I care less if anyone agrees or even reads the post I leave. I don't care if you disagree or agree. Its just info, take it or pass it by. Like I said, I'm not here to teach, just bash Fascists.


God rocks.

Yes but your KKK buds smashed rock records dude, you saying Christians are not of God or just lying again as usual saying whatever comes out and pleases your master. Pitiful cowardice if I ever did see.


This is the activism forum... Gee. I don't see in the definition of activism anywhere that says while an activist is in a medical cannabis forum, those activists are required to destroy faith, values and hope, in a vain attempt to do what...?

You lie and correcting your lies is the objective of some I guess. Not me, keep your lies a coming boy. I C&P them over to forums without lame rules and censorship cutting off those correcting your lies. Like here. Don't worry folks, rusty has to win he just cuts the post off if he seems to be losing an argument. LIke the Phelps thread. No worries, his immoral words will go down in infamy all over cyberspace. Even the Freepers are embarrassed at his attempt to legalize.


You kids never look at the other side of the proverbial coin. I'm an activist pushing personal responsibility, values, hope and love. I use god to find the strength every day. You use hate. My daily life is supplimented with others that have values, hope and faith. You have...<ahem> yourself.

That's supplemented oh demented one. Too lazy to spellcheck? That is opinion of you about you and you really think its fact or truth over the founding fathers and other scholars? Its lame opinion boy nothing more. Nothing to back it up but more lame opinion. Will you ever get it that we're not laughing with you boy, we're laughing at you.


Because I have been battling Hep-C (type 1A) for about thirty years now, and my wife goes to chemo every two weeks, and will continue to do so till her t-cell lymphoma takes her life, so I'd back off thinking we all think the same crap as you.

Forget it dude, trying to cheer me up ain't gonna make me believe your lame ass opinion.


I agree with previous posters who recognize the reality, and that is the absurdity of cannabis being criminalized. Just because I disagree with your lack of faith...

You need gullible believing people to hoodwink into agreement. Do the questions get harder? I see where your lame opinions come from oxidation and I disagree. That makes me an anarchist?

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people."
Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi Vatican Concordant of 1933


The unfortunate fact is cancer patients, as long as regular tax-paying citizens, the healthy and the sick, are suffering to some degree primarily because of religious prudishness which makes it incredibly difficult to work an already broken political system.

Religious prudishness... why you backsliding heathen!
Broken political system... why you anarchist!


Everything I write has to do with cannabis, it certainly has to do with medical cannabis, I mention this several times.

Not a word in this thread, more lies oxy?


So now you know all cancer patients and all religious people in here don't know what they believe, but you have the answers for us...? You're pretty fucking narcissistic, aren't you.

You're pretty fucking narcissistic to think your opinion has any meaning whatsoever rustbucket. You sure do hurl a lot of baseless ad hominem for some clod coming here to speak about Ganja.


Claims...I make no claims, and I avoid using the lazy and ineffective method of cut-n-paste to form my opinions.

Spoken by a true fool. You make claims boy, wrong claims and you don't c&p because only nazifucks would agree with you. You only have your side of the story. Same one we all have heard since the inception. Why would you even try to argue it when no one has ever heard anything remotely positive about cannabis on TV or in School books. You are standing in water claiming you never get wet because of faith. You believe you're not wet and no one will change that precious. Go on in the dark bantering your silly hate filled opinions. We need a laugh. Its raining.


I can speak for myself, and if I do need proof, you can be damn sure I can find proof.

We are supposed to take your opinion that you have proof? Your word is shit here boy, too many lies to believe anything you claim. Bring adult references or keep the mouthfarts flowing.


Mostly I speak from decades more experience than you. But unlike you, I don't hate all that feel differently than I.

Opinion. You speak out of the ass of dogs. You hate everyone and blame us for your illness. Your suffering because of a choice you made to shoot dope and get Hep C and now blame us and reject anything because your ornery and mean spirited pushing religion because you haven't the sense to figure it out on your own. The opiate of the masses. Jesus wasn't a Christian dude. The ancient temple incense was hashish, did he inhale?


Why is it that the "activists" are young punks without a clue of how to project their views in a concise and intelligent manner?

Your rayguns psychic predictions lapdog, not fact. You don't know how old anyone is yet you try to use that as something to discredit their thoughts. You may be older but that doesn't free you of a case of the dumbass. Your younger than me but that doesn't make you anything or does it prove anything. C&P has no age. The founders are dead but their words live on. Age has no bearing. Your a punk even if you're 65. You're just a punk. Live with it or don't. Punk.

denialisback, I didn't write that paragraph,
I posted the link to the author, and the author.
I agree with most of your statement though.

[denialisback]

denialisback, I didn't write that paragraph,
I posted the link to the author, and the author.
I agree with most of your statement though.

ahh right, ok :D

[denialisback]

How sad is it when a man with brain cancer, Senator Kennedy, cannot be treated with a substance that will cure his disease because of a godless, mindless, racist, ignorant law and a brainwashed society! In 2000 Dr. Manuel Guzman of Complutense University in Madrid Spain rediscovered what our ancestors knew thousands of years ago, that THC destroys tumors with no negative side effects whatsoever. His team also irrigated the brains of healthy rats with high doses of THC for seven days and again found no negative side effects. These results have been duplicated around the globe since 2000 on many different kinds of cancer. How sad this treatment wasn't available for Mr. Kennedy. The really sad thing is that our Government has known that THC kills cancer cells since 1974 when researchers at the Medical College of Virginia, funded by the National Institutes of Health to find evidence that marijuana damages the immune system, instead found that THC slowed the growth of three kinds of cancer in mice, lung and breast cancer, and a virus induced leukemia. We never heard this! A man named Rick Simpson from Cannada now makes what he calls "Hemp oil" which is basically a THC paste that is proven to cure cancers and many other ailments now common today. His web site is called "Phoenix Tears," his you tube video is, "Run from the Cure." Check it out! Recent archaeological evidence proves that the ancient Egyptians and Sumerians were well aware of the anti-tumoral powers of THC and it's many other medicinal properties. The Egyptians knew cannabis as Shemshemet, the Sumerians A.ZAL.LA, the Chinese Ma, the Hebrews called it Kaneh bosm.

I can't emphasise enough how true the stuff about rick simpson is :))

Peace,
Denial

[Rusty Trichome]

They all have ulterior motives. Mostly to divert and trash.
What is it you do, beyond copying others thoughts and quotes, and offering them as your own...?


No different with rustbuster. Bring it on junior. Been here a while, but have yet to see you respond intelligently to any one of a number of posts about your lazy, uninspiring plageristic cut-n-paste rants. Your method is boring and inaccurate, as usual.



Just bring an adult opinion without the silly sobbing and whining. Pointing fingers is the only game you got boy. Point em at me and I'll break them. That ain't hate, its disgust for cowards appeasing their masters. Burning the Constitution while wrapping themselves in the plastic banner made in Chinese sweatshops by kids they send messages.
Aww...da widdle baby got his widdle feelings hurt, and now heshe must lash-out again. You ain't shit to me, and you have a funny way of showing the love. Morons like you are a dime a dozen on Anarchist-R-us.com. What do they do...offer a quarter a day to cut-n-paste their bullshit, lol? So you come here to inflame others to "see the light" of your rational thinking, but all you show us you can do is to childishly call other members names, call what we believe in shit, and to overinflate your own sub-standard ego..? You are a coward unable to handle life as it was dished-uot to you, and now the world is wrong, you are right.

Half of your posts are lies, the other half is subversive bullshit intended to inflame. But I'm curious...why is it that you are the only one getting inflamed...? I see nobody supporting your position, let alone exhibit the childishness in content and intent.

Break my fingers? Doubtful you could do that with your head so far up your ass. Regardless, if you persist in threats of physical violence, (or any other threat, for that matter) I will report the offense to those in charge. Let them deal with your voilent childish outbursts.


This is a democracy boy, I'm not an anarchist, just observant and really, now get this chump, I really care less about anyones opinions especially kiss ass fools like you.
Observant? You can't even get your fucking history right, and you exhibit no opinions that can't be found inside the Anarchists Cookbook. (intended for use against moronic Canadians)


...Better yet, die. That would make me happy,
I guess this means we won't be going to the prom together...?
What are you going to do when your dad comes back from Iraq, and kicks you to the curb again? Ya going to come live in the USA? I'll be waiting, lol.

[frostymcfailure]

+2 rusty & IMG RP

[Rusty Trichome]

DdC222: You bore me with your childishness. You have yet to convince anyone of the need to support your hate. Your angry insinuations are nothing but a smoke-screen to hide behind, as your intellect is far outdistanced by your blindness. :thumbsup:

But...I am certainly happy to see that I have made you take hours out of your day, every day, researching things like my spelling, and your life seems to hang on my every word, lol. I thank you for giving me the power to flip your switch like this. I'll use the info gained from learmning this...to my own advantage. :jointsmile:

The facts you present, I'll say again...are half-baked bullshit without relevance in todays discussion. But then...your relevance has obviously been gone a while.

You...you take offense at what is written about you and your anger. Me...I don't hinge my self-worth on what other's think about me, and quite frankly...I'm a pretty mellow conservative right now.
Doesn't that just piss you off...? :jointsmile:

[the image reaper]

damn, those guys should get married, if they're gonna argue that much :D

[Rusty Trichome]

'Fraid not, for two reasons...
I'm not gay, and I don't support gay marriage. Tiz a personal choice thing not subject to change for the sake of "progressiveness".

[the image reaper]

we agree on that, bud :thumbsup:

[Rusty Trichome]

DdC222:
Dear David, In an attempt to better understand where you're coming from, and what you post on other sites, I googled your username...and came across your username on Fubar.com
This isn't the only reference I came across...but it seems DdC222 has a more level head on other sites. Why not this one...?
Anyway, If this is you...you might want to do something about having your real name and your username connected, and so easy to reference.

But then again...if it is you, likely you bullshit those folks too.

You might want to be more careful with your identity.

No need to thank me. :jointsmile:

[FakeBoobsRule]

Argos this thread really is questionable as it starts off with off topic drugs. Then I'm not even sure this was started in the right forum either.

DDC you are definitely doing some heavy trolling. With the exception of 1 or 2 posts I think Rusty has been uncharacteristically restrained in his responses to you.

This thread is in serious danger of being closed but if you don't get back on topic without attacking other members it wil be closed for sure.