Two Trainwreck's 400w HPS, LST, Closet Grow

[bigtopsfinn]

First, I have to thank Cannabis.com for the great success of my first grow. I had some problems with temps (being able to close the closet), the smell was leaking out of my apartment, and I didn't have anything to measure pH.

I invested a couple hundred euros to fix these problems, and so far, everything seems to be going good.

Hereâ??s the list:

Seeds: Feminized Trainwreck from Greenhouse Seeds Co. Flowering time is 8-9 weeks (Last grow with one of these turned out very nicely!)
Soil: Biolan Musta Multa (N-100mg/l, P-60mg/l, K-400mg/l). I also put in about one quarter/one third vermiculite. I canâ??t find perlite here, and the last grow I used just soil and it was terrible to try and flush it. The vermiculite holds in the water and allows the water to run through with ease.
Nutes: Canna Terra Vega 3-1-4 (for veg) , Canna Terra Flores 2-2-4, Plagron, Green Sensation Top Activator 0-9-10 (Flores for flowering weeks 1-6/7, the top activator for weeks 2-6/7 of flowering
Light: 400 Watt HPS with Cooltube 12cm x 39cm long
Ventilation: 1 RUCK Tube fan RK100, 220m³ per hour, (129cfm), 10cm & 12cm aluminum duct (possible coming later: computer fan to blow over the tops)
Odor Control: Active Carbon Filter, 250 m³ per hour. 50cm long with 10cm connections, approx. 2,3 kg active carbon filling
Closet/Cabinet: 57cm x 57cm x 172cm tall (22.5in x 22.5in. x 67.5in.)
Vegetation: 24/0 light cycle

I sprouted these 2 Greenhouse Seed Co. Trainwreck seeds on Jan. 15, planted them in soil on Jan. 17, and one surfaced a day or so earlier than the other.

I first kept them under a couple 11w cflsâ??s and a 21w floro tube for the first couple weeks. Needless to say, not nearly enough light and when comparing it to my last grow, I knew it was time to get the 400hps in there.

Now itâ??s been about a week since I turned on the hps, and a couple days since I started half strength nutes. Today I started giving three quarter strength nutes, and raised the plants closer to the light. They are now about 30 cm from the cooltube, 33-34 cm from the light.

Iâ??ve also been LSTâ??ing a little bit this last week. I havenâ??t decided yet, whether I will SCROG or just continue the LST.

[animalman]

nice looking setup bro. seems like the space might be a bit small for 2 plants but i dont know how trainwreck grows out, i'm leaning towards your idea of scrog over lst.

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks for stopping by Animal. Yeah the closet got a whole lot tighter when I put in the fan and filter and cooltube, and another plant.

On my last grow I did the LST and it worked out well, but it was nearly impossible to keep all the tops at the same height. I've been planning for SCROG already, just not sure whether I could really do it. The advantage to the SCROG would be that I can control the tops (height/placement), but I know it takes a couple times to get it right. We'll see in few weeks...

[Weedhound]

Got some pretty decent drooping going on in those plants. What's up with that?

[bigtopsfinn]

Got some pretty decent drooping going on in those plants. What's up with that?

Not really sure... This happened last time also, but the leaves are very thick and feel solid. StinkyAttic said it could be because the reflection inside the closet is very good. I'm not too worried about it since last time everything turned out fine:jointsmile:

[jboog0]

How do you like that fan? Does it give an approx decible rating? I have a similar 400hps closet grow going. A 75cfm computer fan exhausting my light works perfect now, but probably not when it gets warmer. I'll be keepin an eye on your grow. good luck - love that trainwreck.

[bigtopsfinn]

How do you like that fan? Does it give an approx decible rating? I have a similar 400hps closet grow going. A 75cfm computer fan exhausting my light works perfect now, but probably not when it gets warmer. I'll be keepin an eye on your grow. good luck - love that trainwreck.

Thanks jboog,

The fan has been quite a pleasant surprise up to now. I thought it would be louder, but we sleep 10ft. away from the cabinet, and the fan is on all the time without disturbing our sleep. I've kept mine on 24/7 for the last week, and its still humming like new.

The decible rating on the Ruck site says 57 for this model. I just noticed they have some other models, one with a 4-speed and one with temperature control.

Ruck Fan Specifications (http://en.ruck.eu/Default.aspx?tabid=145&val=&Nodes=1,2,81)

Right now, my house is about 23 degrees Celsius, and the cabinet with the door closed stays at 30 degrees Celsius. Lower temps for flowering would be better, but I managed with these temps last time, no problem:jointsmile:

[jboog0]

thanks for the info.

I'd definitely throw a little comp. fan in there. My veg 'room' is under a coffee table wrapped up in b/w plastic. I had two ladies vegging in there and I didn't rotate them for about a week. The one opposite the fan drooped like in your pictures above. A little more airflow and its leaves stood straight up. And I'm talking a tiny/silent 40mm fan...

[bigtopsfinn]

Got a little computer fan and phone charger today. Gonna work on it and try to get it hooked up to the end of the intake piping, blowing on to the top of the plants. Maybe this will help the drooping, but I'm not too worried about it yet.

[bigtopsfinn]

It's been 29 days since I started this project. I went ahead and changed the closet setup. Tried a couple different ways, but in the end I lowered the light and hung the carbon filter and fan above the light. Now I dont have anything blocking the light and have the full grow area, and my temps dropped a few degrees to 28 C with the door closed and the light on.

Plants have jumped up also since the transplant. I dont know if it was the addition of the small computer fan blowing over the canopy, the re-pot to 10L buckets, or the fact that I have been watering it much less than before or my last grow. (Last grow, I was giving water sometimes 2 times a day, now the soil still feels a little damp a couple inches down. I think its the vermiculite, which is supposed to hold in water very well)

Whatever the reason, they are looking much better now, and could be ready for the SCROG sometime next week, and then ready for flowering maybe the week after.

[bigtopsfinn]

Some more pics...

I had to re-tie the main growth stem to get an even canopy, and just let if grow from there. If a shoot starts to really outgrow the canopy I'll tie it down, but otherwise I'll just wait to get the screen and let it grow into that.

[bigtopsfinn]

They were starting to get quite large, so i thought it was time for a transplant and the scrog.

Learned a valuable lesson about LST: Don't tie the string too tight...lol...sounds logical but I was really surprised how much she grew over the last few days (went out of town for 3 days). The main stem ended up breaking a couple nodes down, but its still somewhat attached, so I'm hoping for the best.

I've been trying to make the closet light proof also, but as you can see from the pics, there is still light coming from the exhaust in the top left of the closet.

These first couple pics are of the plants after transplant, but before I did the SCROG.

[bigtopsfinn]

Here's how I did the scrog. I tried to get press the chicken wire down on the plants a little bit, then I spread out the branches and growth stems at the same time. Finally, I used twisty ties to hold things in place. Except for taking off a couple crusty leaves from the bottom, I haven't done any trimming yet. I will probably let this go for a couple day before I switch to flowering. I'm doing this based on how much this same strain grew after switching to 12/12. I will probably have to maintain the screen for a couple weeks into flowering, then I can let everything grow upwards.

[caligrown82807]

those are some real good lookin plants:jointsmile:

[AllforMe]

Hi Finn, nice plants!! I do think it is a bit warm in there, you should shoot for closer to 25 degrees. One thing I noticed was that your fan is between the filter and light. The fan should be last, after the light, as it pulls alot better than it pushes. It you put the fan on the exhaust port then the light, finally the filter, your temps may be a bit better!:thumbsup:

[Lit Up]

How old is your kid? I was just admiring your pictures there. Everything looks nice and clean, good job.

[bigtopsfinn]

Hi Finn, nice plants!! I do think it is a bit warm in there, you should shoot for closer to 25 degrees. One thing I noticed was that your fan is between the filter and light. The fan should be last, after the light, as it pulls alot better than it pushes. It you put the fan on the exhaust port then the light, finally the filter, your temps may be a bit better!:thumbsup:

Yeah, the temps are a little problem, especially since I keep my house at about 23 C, its very hard to get that temp down. Not the best, but it should do...

As for the fan, the place I bought it from suggested pushing the air through the cooltube so that the fan doesn't overheat. This fan is rated for like 75 C i think, but just to be safe I did it like they said.

Thanks for stoppin' by:jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

How old is your kid? I was just admiring your pictures there. Everything looks nice and clean, good job.

Thanks dude:D... Tryin' my best here!

I think it was Jan. 15 that I germinated them, and Jan. 17 that I put them into the soil. But I only had a fluorescent tube and two 11w CFL's for the first couple weeks while I was waiting for all the new gear. They didn't grow much at all until I put them under the hps almost 3 weeks ago.

Should be ready for flowering very soon.:giveflower:

[AllforMe]

Yeah, the temps are a little problem, especially since I keep my house at about 23 C, its very hard to get that temp down. Not the best, but it should do...

As for the fan, the place I bought it from suggested pushing the air through the cooltube so that the fan doesn't overheat. This fan is rated for like 75 C i think, but just to be safe I did it like they said.

Thanks for stoppin' by:jointsmile:
Nah man it's a 400. I run a very similar fan with 2 400s and have not ever had a problem, in 2 + years. I have never seen anyone run it your way without being corrected, it is definitely the right way to go. Anyone else agree?

[AllforMe]

Oh, and if you must run it like that, do not bend before the light.. It really suffers when you force it around a bend, then into a light. The air just bounces around in the light before it blows out, and raises the temps quite a bit. That fan cost what, maybe 200$ american tops? That plant is worth much more. Forget that the fan probably will hold up fine. Even if you fry it eventually, the increase in yield could be substantial. Heat stress really slows the plants growth a bunch, I know this from experience! Plus the fan will be fine lol! If you still want to keep it that way no hard feelings, I just want to help out.:jointsmile:

[bombdiggity]

Nah man it's a 400. I run a very similar fan with 2 400s and have not ever had a problem, in 2 + years. I have never seen anyone run it your way without being corrected, it is definitely the right way to go. Anyone else agree?

i agree

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks for the input guys... I dunno, I'm thinking about how I could it...

The problem is that if I put the fan after the cooltube, there is no room for it in the closet, and if I somehow tie it to the top of the closet and hang it over the edge (outside of the closet), its gonna lean against the back wall and make a lot of vibrating noise.

If you have any ideas of how to mount the fan inside/outside my limited space, I'm all ears:jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

I went and changed my setup again, this is like the 4th different setup I have had with all the same equipment.

This new setup solved a lot of issues:
1) The fan is now pulling air through both the carbon filter and cooltube
2) Fewer bends in ducting - more efficient
3) With the fan last, now there is no more light leak from the exhaust
4) Should do something with the temps, The temps in the direct light are still about the same, haven't tried to measure it yet..

This change cost me about â?¬3... Just bought some metal reinforcements, rope, and bolts/washers/nuts to hang up the fan.

I put the old tubing on the end of the fan, just for sound insulation because we have to sleep in this room also...

[AllforMe]

Much Better!! How is that scrog tied down? or is it just like a trellis holding the plant together? I scrog with dwc. I built it out of pvc, after what I saw someone on here do, except he did it to a netpot and used chicken wire. This was a querkle mother I just picked clean last week, so I decided to throw her in the screen under a 400. She is in flower 3 days today!:thumbsup:
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[bigtopsfinn]

I'm using chicken wire and twist ties for the scrog. I pretty much just cut the chicken wire to size, pressed it down a little on the plants, and started to tie the growth shoots to the wire while tucking larger fan leaves below the screen. Yeah, its not evenly flat, hopefully that won't make it hard to maintain an even canopy. Plus when I'm done tying, I can cut away any extra chicken wire to make it easier to rotate/transport.

Just put mine into flowering last night. I'm expecting to be done sometime in late April. (I just hope my stash from the last grow is enough to last till then:jointsmile:)

[bigtopsfinn]

This is now Day 7 of flowering. I have continued to pull new shoots and fan leaves underneath the screen. It's hard not to go pick at it every 10 minutes, but typically I will tuck everything one day, and let it grow for a day or two when I will go through and tuck everything again. This seems to work well, as new shoots have time to grow up into the canopy.

I haven't used the twist ties much. In fact, I've been cutting most of them off, as it makes arranging the branches easier. The only times I use them now are when I want to lift a branch so its lower and middle shoots are closer to the light. I've also made the SCROG into a stadium type. I tied string to the chicken wire near the middle of the SCROG in a couple places, and pulled down the center of the screen and tied the string to the dish rack underneath the buckets. Besides a couple twist ties, the screen is pretty much just sitting on top of the plants, being pulled down in the center by the string.

I have been watering every three days. Two times I gave it the Canna Flores at half strength and then full strength, with the last feeding just water. I think I will give it a half dose of the top activator next feeding, followed by the Canna Flores the following, and plain water after, and just continue that until I have to do the final flush.

[ST0N3Rmike]

Thats looking great I'm looking forward to see the differences in what ya yield compared to your last grow. Good luck!

[bigtopsfinn]

I just took them out today to turn them and do a little adjusting with the screen and the tops. I also rotated 180 degrees. Starting to show flowers already. Hopefully the worst of the stretching is over by now, because I'm starting to run out of room for all the tops in some areas.

I've started feeding it both the Canna Terra Flores and the Plagron Green Sensation Top Activator, with water on the third feeding. No sign of any tip burn, so I think I will start to gradually and SLOWLY increase the nutes, stopping at the first sign of tip burn.

In one thread about Scrog, it said after 2 weeks of flowering, its advised to trim all of the leaves and growth underneath the screen. This supposedly helps in air circulation, and no energy is wasted in the little popcorn buds. However, Scrog is already very unnatural for the plant, so I don't think I will be doing any trimming at this time. I'm gonna run out of bud here pretty soon, so I'll probably end up starting from the bottom again!:jointsmile:

[ST0N3Rmike]

Looking great!

[AllforMe]

Wow thats alot of plant at week 2!! They look good finn, as far as the stretch, the 40/60 phenomenon is in effect. They spend 40% of flowering time stretching, and 60% in late flower. Most 8 week strains stretch for 22-25 days. Imagine if you didn't have the scrog! If you don't trim the undergrowth it will waste hormones and energy that would otherwise have gone to the canopy. Just go down and clean off the stems, pinch off all lower bud sites, and trim all leaves that don't get light. Don't remove too much in 1 shot. Do 1/2 of what you want to remove per plant, then in 2 or 3 days do the rest. I do it all at once and never have a problem. With the amount of foliage you got there I doubt you'll be able to remove enough to stunt them. Just do it now before it gets too far into budding. it's the perfect time! There is alot of yellowing growth in there that you may want to get rid of. WHile scrog is unnatural, once you do it you change the growth pattern and there is just way too much floiage that will get no light and then thats where problems will start, you got 6 more weeks of that dying foliage just getting buried then rotting! I will say you made the absolute most out of that limited space tho! Next time start budding much earlier and you'll be ok! No matter what those will put out some nice yield with all that light on such an even canopy!

[bigtopsfinn]

Wow thats alot of plant at week 2!! They look good finn, as far as the stretch, the 40/60 phenomenon is in effect. They spend 40% of flowering time stretching, and 60% in late flower. Most 8 week strains stretch for 22-25 days. Imagine if you didn't have the scrog! If you don't trim the undergrowth it will waste hormones and energy that would otherwise have gone to the canopy. Just go down and clean off the stems, pinch off all lower bud sites, and trim all leaves that don't get light. Don't remove too much in 1 shot. Do 1/2 of what you want to remove per plant, then in 2 or 3 days do the rest. I do it all at once and never have a problem. With the amount of foliage you got there I doubt you'll be able to remove enough to stunt them. Just do it now before it gets too far into budding. it's the perfect time! There is alot of yellowing growth in there that you may want to get rid of. WHile scrog is unnatural, once you do it you change the growth pattern and there is just way too much floiage that will get no light and then thats where problems will start, you got 6 more weeks of that dying foliage just getting buried then rotting! I will say you made the absolute most out of that limited space tho! Next time start budding much earlier and you'll be ok! No matter what those will put out some nice yield with all that light on such an even canopy!

Thanks for stopping by!

I'm pretty sure this will stop stretching upwards after this week, at least going by my pictures from the last grow.

I have also been picking off leaves that were already about to fall off (there are some yellow leaves in the pics, but they are still attached firmly to the plant). I'm still debating whether to start chopping all of the growth under the screen. Yeah, it makes sense to me, but this is also a heavy hermie strain, and I don't want to stress it anymore than I already have. Well, the more I think about it, I will probably start picking off the bottom stuff little by little. The problem really isn't with the growth underneath the screen, but rather around the screen, where I tuck all of the fan leaves...

[bigtopsfinn]

I stopped thinking about trimming and just did it. I also went ahead and tucked everything underneath the screen again, and should have exposed some more bud sites. Looking back at it now, I'm thinking maybe I went a little overboard, but oh well. I got a lot of trimmings, and I think I'm gonna turn them into Cannabutter. :jointsmile:

[AllforMe]

Ughhh. VErrrrrrry NICE!:thumbsup: My scrog was a scraggly mother that outlived her use so I will have nowhere CLOSE to that kind of screen! Glad you trimmed you will not regret it!

[calichin9]

looking great man! those are gonna be sum tastey buds growing :thumbsup:

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks for the comments!

Nothing new here...besides the buds getting bigger. 6 more weeks to go:jointsmile:

[frostedwonder]

wow very kewl grow log!

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks Frosty!

Four weeks into flowering now. I have been seeing a lot of yellowing leaves, especially on one of the plants. I'm thinking its just a N deficiency, but it seems a little early into flowering for that. Anyway, the new growth is green and healthy, the nugs are starting to take shape, and its getting quite stinky in my closet.

I ran out of weed yesterday :( Hopefully I can keep myself from picking off 'tasters' until they are finished.

[frostedwonder]

That for me is going to hurt having to wait it out till nature gives me the treats I have patiently been waiting for..I commend you on your discipline.:cool:

[bigtopsfinn]

Hey Frosty... thanks for the rep attempt,:jointsmile: but I think you need 50 posts before it counts for me LOL.

Tell me about tough times... I went over 6 months without smoking and started on my first grow. I was picking and smoking leaves!!! And yes, they got me pretty high, until I started picking off tiny buds from the bottom, which got me really high!

Yeah better to wait, but even after I picked at my plant almost everyday for the last month of flowering, I still had enough smoke to last me for 3 months getting high everyday (most of the time ALL DAY):rastasmoke:

One of the many mistakes from my first grow, that I hope not to repeat this time... we'll see, only 5 more weeks.

[bigtopsfinn]

So I can't really figure out this yellowing... it's really just on one of the plants mostly. I went ahead and flushed both of the girls with 30L of plain tap water, run-off ph was 6.6-6.8... I even took readings with the cloudy amber run-off AND after filtering the run-off so it was clear, and same thing! I even tasted the run-off, but nothing special... tasted like dirt, not metallic or salty, so I guess it's ok.

The nugs are still growing... the nugs on one plant look a little healthier, but no huge difference. Just have to wait and see how things go this week...

[8182KSKUSH]

Hey lookin' pretty tight, literally! Can't wait to see what you come up with on this round! I don't know enough to give you any advice on the yellowing. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it though. Trust your instincts, you are looking good. I'm gonna stay tuned!

[8182KSKUSH]

Funny avatar BTW. LOL

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks for the encouragement... I can use it!

Another late night for ya, eh?

[8182KSKUSH]

Thanks for the encouragement... I can use it!

Another late night for ya, eh?

You know it! I should be a peach tomorrow, waiting to hear about the Lynch sentencing. Wouldn't you know, at that time, I will have no electronic communications, I won't find out till later in the afternoon. Just got done checking in on my girls. They are at day 2. They have come a long ways but still have so far to go. Hang in there, I know you are in the same boat as I! It's no fun, but in the end, it's so damn rewarding to smoke your own! You know this as well as me though. Take it easy!:jointsmile:

[BigLeagueJew]

these plants look great! hope you get a big turn out

[bigtopsfinn]

these plants look great! hope you get a big turn out

Shalom BigLeague!

Me too :D:stoned::jointsmile:

[KillerBudG]

Plants are looking really good man. I will be watching theses next few weeks. Good luck man keep that green thumb green.:rastasmoke:
~one~

[Italiano715]

I just read through your whole log and as I might say they are coming out BEAUTIFUL! Keep up the good work! Whatever your doing seems to work out for you just fine, don't change a thing!

[Divestoned]

It's either over-water..or N def. You know some plant's do that during flower.At this point your not trippin.

Look's great bro.You've done a fine job.



Dive:stoned:

[bigtopsfinn]

Hey, thanks everyone for the rep and encouragement!

Dive, I have been thinking the same, what's confusing me is that I have done everything exactly the same for both plants, but I guess they have different needs. I'm gonna see what happens if I switch my watering cycle to just twice a week. Now, the yellowing parts are turning purple... I'm thinking also that it could be cool temps, as sometimes I open the window next to the closet and the temps get pretty cool. But even the one that is yellowing has healthy "tops", or at least what the plant thinks is the top. I noticed similar things last grow also, but it came a little later. Yeah, best to stop worrying about it, but kinda hard when I don't have anything to relax with :mad: .... Oh well, soon...:jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

More leaves are turning yellow, and some are a little brownish/purplish, I'm thinking it's too close to the light. I think I'm gonna lower the plant a little, since my light is fixed in position. Some pics...

[bigtopsfinn]

More pics...

[bigtopsfinn]

Couple more...

[biostrength]

Wow, Impressive my next grow im doing SOG style :rastasmoke:

[bluntpasser]

Plants look very healthy. keep up the good work. cant wait to see the finished product.:rastasmoke:

[denialisback]

very nice indeed finn, coming along nicely.... i bet you will enjoy smoking them :))

looking at your plants coming so nicely with LST i've decided to do the same with mine.. once I get all the clones done :( sigh another month, hehe.

Take care man,

:thumbsup:
Peace,
Denial

[Shovelhandle]

Yep, looking keen, Finn!

[KillerBudG]

Plants looking good Bigtops, What are you looking/hoping to pull off them 2..When all said and over..?:jointsmile:

~One~:rastasmoke:

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks for the kind words everyone!


Plants looking good Bigtops, What are you looking/hoping to pull off them 2..When all said and over..?:jointsmile:

My original goal was 100g, but it's hard to say. I think it'll be somewhere between 80-100g dried in the end :jointsmile:

[gr8budz4me]

Killer grow BTF... Very nice.

The flowers look great but I wonder if any of the early yellowing was due to heat stress? Did you ever have any luck getting the temp's closer to 25º C?
I know you already have a lot going on in your closet but maybe you could get another inline fan and use your existing one for room ventilation and another for pulling the heat off of your lighting? You could take the output from each and use a Y adaptor to exit the airflow together out of your existing ventilation outlet. This would pull the heat off of the light with more efficiency and your charcoal ventilation will be more effective as well.

One thing that helped me when I did a closet grow a few years ago is I used 6" (16.5cm) PVC for the ductwork and it really works great. There is much less drag than flexible duct work even when you use PVC elbows to re-direct the flow. PVC fits tightly together without cement and it is easy to cut to custom lengths.

I look forward to seeing your girls finish up... then comes the Trainwreck!

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks dude!

Yes, I've been thinking the same thing. I've been opening my window next to the closet and the temps have mostly been 23-27 lately. I also lowered the plants 1.5cm (changed to a slightly lower bucket to catch run-off) and turned them. The reason I don't think it's heat burn is because it's happening to leaves that are not directly underneath the light also. Very strange, because its mostly in one area and that would imply a hot spot... The fact that the buds are still growing doesn't worry me too much. What I'm starting to think is either over-watering or my nutrients/soil combination is missing some kinds of nutrients.

I like the ideas about the PVC, but it just won't fit this time. I've been planning for my next grow, whenever that will be, to have a bigger grow space so I can fit everything better. I'll have to check out PVC for tubing on my next grow.

Wish I could buy another fan, but the wife's not too keen on buying any more things since we will be leaving the country for about half a year, and my projects will be on hiatus :(... hopefully we will be going to holland though :jointsmile:

Thanks for stopping by, I liked the ideas...:thumbsup:

Oh yeah, flushed last monday with 30L water, and just fed them again today for the first time since. I think I will change my watering schedule a little, as this could be another reason for the yellowing. Before I was giving them 2L of water (or water with nutes) every three days, with a water, nutes, nutes schedule. Starting today I will try 1.5L twice a week, with my canna terra flores 2-2-4 on one day and plagron top activator 0-9-10 the other. I'll do this until week 7, then flush, and water if needed for the remaining 1-2 weeks. We'll see what happens...

[FourTwenty4Life]

Couple more...

Are they a slight shade of blue? They look DELICIOUS!:thumbsup: That is some finely cared for and grown herb. I must know how the smoke is when you're all done. I might try a blue strain next time around like Dutch Passion Blueberry or perhaps this.:D Keep on doin' what yer doin'!:hippy::stoned:

[biostrength]

Plants are looking good :thumbsup:. Mine are roughly around a similar time to yours maybe a little bit ahead, but i'm getting lots of yellowing to. I've been told lots of things, light bleaching, plants using the nutes out of leaves, not enough lighting lower down the plants. But my buds are growing excellently so i haven't let it bother me? not a very helpful comment haha but may give you slight piece of mind..

Peace :hippy: bio

[bigtopsfinn]

Are they a slight shade of blue? They look DELICIOUS!:thumbsup: That is some finely cared for and grown herb. I must know how the smoke is when you're all done. I might try a blue strain next time around like Dutch Passion Blueberry or perhaps this.:D Keep on doin' what yer doin'!:hippy::stoned:

Thanks 420! Yeah last time they started turning purple around the edges of the leaves, and it's the same thing this time. I really love this strain, it's the best of both worlds: Really nice head-high, a little bit of couch-lock, but it flowers in 8-9 weeks... Last time I chopped at about day 60 if I remember correctly.


Plants are looking good :thumbsup:. Mine are roughly around a similar time to yours maybe a little bit ahead, but i'm getting lots of yellowing to. I've been told lots of things, light bleaching, plants using the nutes out of leaves, not enough lighting lower down the plants. But my buds are growing excellently so i haven't let it bother me? not a very helpful comment haha but may give you slight piece of mind..

Peace :hippy: bio

Thanks for the peace of mind bio, always helps! Yours are looking very good, btw :thumbsup: Now I'm starting to think that when I trimmed below the screen, I took off too many leaves and then she started to starve of nutrients. I know it's not good to take off leaves, but I had so many leaves stacked one on top of the other underneath the screen... If I try this again, I will pinch off the new growth sites under the screen, but I won't cut the leaves off unless they become a problem.

I'll get some more pics up tomorrow :)

[AllforMe]

Wow Finn, I've been away and return to see those beautiful buds!! Looks great!! Way I see it, If I check temps, ph, etc and everything is ok, then any leaf yellowing is normal and not an issue. Especially towards the end of flower in a low nitrogen scenario. It happens to some of my plants worse than others, and since I am basically working off 2 plants genetics(2 original moms cloned and re-cloned) then it can't be a genetic variation. Oh well, as long as it is still alive and the buds keep finishing who cares? Later Ill post some pics of my scrog....she is at day 43 and looks pretty fierce!! :jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

Welcome back!

Thanks for stopping back in :)...

Get some pics up for sure:thumbsup:

[KillerBudG]

Tops them buds lookin great man, I hope my grow just turns out to be half as good looking as yours, and it smokes decent:baggy::S5::joint1:


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[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks Killer!

Here's another update. 6 weeks of flowering until now, and they are really fattening up. Most of the bigger nugs are around the edges, then a lot of small nugs and popcorn in the middle. You can see from the pictures taken from up top that about 1/4 is looking really shitty, the rest is ok though. Still hoping for about 80 grams total dried yield, I can't see getting 100 :(... we'll just have to see.

Changed my watering schedule like I said. Fed her on Monday with the Canna Nutes (6ml per liter of water), about 1.5L for each plant. Then yesterday (Friday) I gave them the Plagron Top Activator, (1 ml per liter of water), and again 1.5L for each plant. Couple more weeks like that and I can probably start to flush.

[bigtopsfinn]

Few more pics :jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

Lookin' saucey man! Really pretty colors. I hope you yield more than that, but you may be able to stretch yours farther than I would. 88 grams lasted me all of 2 months LOl, but I did eat alot of it too. Gave some away, smoked alot, ah, the good ol' days. No matter the yeild no one can take away the fact that you made it. That's worth it's weight in gold! Not to mention the fact that you can do it again, and again....
Nice work!

[bigtopsfinn]

Lookin' saucey man! Really pretty colors. I hope you yield more than that, but you may be able to stretch yours farther than I would. 88 grams lasted me all of 2 months LOl, but I did eat alot of it too. Gave some away, smoked alot, ah, the good ol' days. No matter the yeild no one can take away the fact that you made it. That's worth it's weight in gold! Not to mention the fact that you can do it again, and again....
Nice work!

Thanks Kush! I'm lucky/unlucky in the fact that I don't have any friends here where I live... so only about 5 grams got smoked by someone else last time :jointsmile:

But this time I think a friend of mine from the states is coming here, and he smokes like a fucking chimney :bigsmoke: But I learned last time that even veteran smokers can only smoke so much of the TW...

[ST0N3Rmike]

Lookin good BigTops keep up the good work!

[bigtopsfinn]

Thank you ST0N3Rmike!

It's been almost 7 weeks of flowering today, so I flushed very thoroughly, somewhere between 2-3x the size of my containers. I'm hoping to harvest in about a week or two, depending on how they look. I might chop one of them in a week, and the other one the following week.

One of them is looking very nice still, a little nute burn on it's tips but nothing to worry about. The other one, frankly, looks like ass... some leaves are turning red, and so are some of the stems. I'm guessing more severe nute burn in combination with the other problems it's been having. It's about 80% the size of the healthier one, so I'm losing some yield but I'm not going to cry about it. I've learned that no matter how similarly you treat two plants, they can have very different needs. Hopefully if this comes up again, I will know how to deal with it early on.

Took a bunch of pics today also :jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

Here's more... You can see the red stems and leaves in the first pic. Next ones you can compare between the healthy and nute burnt nugs...

[bigtopsfinn]

Some more pics, just some of the bigger buds :jointsmile:

[Divestoned]

Look's great,you've done a cool grow.They look ready to go,flush'em an hang'em.

Dive:stoned:

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, they are colorful! I am sure they will be great nonetheless! So that's weird that 1 of them did that and one didn't? What gives? Any theories? It'll be interesting to compare the yield and smoke reports between the 2. I mean for you to compare LOL! So happy to see you almost done! Good for you! And even if the 1 doesn't smoke as well as you would like, there's always hash! Or eating it!:D

You should try to re-veg your best plant and veg it back out, cut clones, and do it again!:jointsmile:

Just some pics I found on the internet.:thumbsup:

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks Dive :jointsmile:

And very nice looking girls you have...ahem, found there Kush! :greenthumb: Looks like you...ahem they will have a very chill summer :smokin:

My theory for the problems with the one: too much water/nutes too often. I think it didn't drain as well as the other, combined with all the nutes I was putting in. Couldn't get a good ph reading either with my shitty dropper tests, so I can't rule that out either... Temps were a little on the high side, but within range, so that could be something also.

I would love to re-veg the good one, but I'm going to be on a hiatus from growing for a while :( Gotta move out in June, and I am trying to find an internship position in Amsterdam for the fall, so I might try to grow something while I'm there, if I'm not too baked :stoned:

I'm already making plans for my next grow, wherever and whenever it will be. I'm going to buy a lot of perlite once I find it (might have to order it from a store here in Southern Finland), get another inline fan so I can cool my cooltube separately, get a good ph pen, and build a bigger grow area (thinking 1m x 1m x 2m) to get better use of my hps. Also been thinking about a DWC setup, but the initial costs for supplies, nutes and meters is a little discouraging.

Happy growing everyone :)

[8182KSKUSH]

Thanks Dive :jointsmile:

And very nice looking girls you have...ahem, found there Kush! :greenthumb: Looks like you...ahem they will have a very chill summer :smokin:

My theory for the problems with the one: too much water/nutes too often. I think it didn't drain as well as the other, combined with all the nutes I was putting in. Couldn't get a good ph reading either with my shitty dropper tests, so I can't rule that out either... Temps were a little on the high side, but within range, so that could be something also.

I would love to re-veg the good one, but I'm going to be on a hiatus from growing for a while :( Gotta move out in June, and I am trying to find an internship position in Amsterdam for the fall, so I might try to grow something while I'm there, if I'm not too baked :stoned:

I'm already making plans for my next grow, wherever and whenever it will be. I'm going to buy a lot of perlite once I find it (might have to order it from a store here in Southern Finland), get another inline fan so I can cool my cooltube separately, get a good ph pen, and build a bigger grow area (thinking 1m x 1m x 2m) to get better use of my hps. Also been thinking about a DWC setup, but the initial costs for supplies, nutes and meters is a little discouraging.

Happy growing everyone :)

good luck! shit! sounds like a good summer for you!

dwc looks cool,tried it once. it's easy to build bubble bukets, but failed in the execution. used hydroton, did not rinse it, could not get or keep the ph in range. also did not use a recirculating rez, which I know now likely the better way to go w/ that. those are the 2 issues I will correct if I ever try it again. if you could find perlite, you could try hempy buckets for hydro or lots of folks go the coco route too. forr sure want a good pen for ph and ec. good luck on the dark side!

[bigtopsfinn]

Funny you mention the coco... been reading up on that a lot today :) Sounds like something to experiment with. Thought about using plain coco in one, and coco/soil mix in another, and see which one I like more... not really diggin' the soil route ATM :jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

Fed them both water yesterday. I'm now starting Greenhouse's "harvest window" which is 8-9 weeks flowering, and looking at some little buds I could swear I saw some amber on the raggedy one so.... might be cutting her down later today, tomorrow, soon anyways :) :chainsaw: I have a 30x Jeweler's loupe (Suurennos (magnification)= 30x) (http://www.huuto.net/fi/showitem.php3?itemid=102713915) ... but it sucks. Can't find those radioshack ones here :mad:

The better one is still going strong and grew a lot last week. Going to let her grow in peace until I can see a little amber.

[bigtopsfinn]

More pics :jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

Man the toughest part! Juuuust about there!

[frostedwonder]

Geez I wish we were neighbors.... Nice plants and well deserved. Way to go!:thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

Nice looking tw, Finn. You should be all set for a bit.

[KillerBudG]

Dam Fin.... I think you might have tipped the scale towards me getting some Femed Trainwreck.. Bud look nice and fat is the smoke/taste/high as good as every1 says.? Plants look great tho hope you get what you wanted o yield man good job:thumbsup::thumbsup:


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[Sean6942]

looks like you will have a great 4/20

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks for the kind words everyone :jointsmile:

Been way too baked to reply in the last day. :stoned::stoned::stoned:

I cut down the ugly one today. Trimmed her and put her into a paper bag to start drying. The humidity is pretty low here and it would be a pain in the ass to hang up all those branches :D

I'm gonna leave the other one for a couple more days and see if she stops growing. Just a couple pics from harvest. I trimmed it well and it weighed in at 205 grams really wet. So I'm guessing it'll be about 40-50 grams... maybe a little less since it's still really wet from being watered the other day. I'll get some more pics up of the manicured buds in a few days when I transfer them into mason jars.

Killer- Last harvest I didn't get to cure it properly, so the taste was nothing special... this time I will do it the right way and report back with the taste, i guess in a month or two... but the potency has never been a problem, sometimes it's a little much (if that's possible) :jointsmile:

[headshake]

damn, i missed this log too bigtop! my bad.

subscribed (a tab bit late). i'm gonna come back and read it all later.


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[bigtopsfinn]

damn, i missed this log too bigtop! my bad.

subscribed (a tab bit late). i'm gonna come back and read it all later.


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LOL

Thank's Shake! :jointsmile:

It's an easy read... lot's of pics, not too much text :D

[headshake]

just the way i like it!


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[KillerBudG]

Alright so smoke report will come sooner or later. One more thing Fin which way would you suggest/prefer to grow the trains. And which do you think one might better yield of of growing it.? Couple people I know like the trainwreck, So I am thinking about getting hands on some them seeds. Just interested on your opinion of growing style since you have tried them couple different ways?:jointsmile::cool:



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[bigtopsfinn]

The LST was nice and simple compared to the SCROG... With the problems I had I wasn't liking the SCROG too much, but after harvesting one of them I was pretty surprised at how much was there. I think I will continue to scrog in the future, but I will cut the screen into triangular pieces and have one individual screen for each plant. That way it's easier to move them around, transplant, flush, etc.

I've seen some others grow tw normally, and their yield didn't look that impressive. I'll report back with the final yields. I estimated about 50-60 grams from one LST'd plant vegged 4 weeks in my first grow. This time they were maybe a little larger when I switched to flower. If the healthy one weighs in around the same as the LST'd one, I might just do the LST from now on. My Scrogging could still use some perfecting, so I'll be trying both in the future still.

[KillerBudG]

Okay Fin I appreciate your opinion on this, Once I get everything set up for myself I plan on trying some TW and a few others not to sure tho. I wanted to try Chronic but have not really heard much on it. But like I said B4 you got me leaning twords TW so I got 1 of my 3 strains already lol. Thanx Bro.:thumbsup::cool: If you got any recommendations I am all ears.:D Not trying to jack ur thread or nuffin either:jointsmile:


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[bigtopsfinn]

Hey no worries bro :jointsmile:

Some of the best stuff I've smoked that my friends have grown are Inca Spirit (mostly sativa, maybe 100%), Auroa Indica, and White Russian. I think I'm going for the White Russian next time. 10 seeds for 70â?¬, I'll pop a few plus my fem TW and try and make a cross with a male WR... Then I won't have to worry about seeds for a long time :)

If I order from Greenhouse again, I'd get one of the mix packs... I think they have a couple with the TW...

[KillerBudG]

If I order from Greenhouse again, I'd get one of the mix packs... I think they have a couple with the TW...

Yea I wanted to try and get color coded Greenhose Fem with some TW and other mix. I showed my pops the other day a pic of your plants and he like hell ya now that some meds you gonna get for me right lol:jointsmile: So I figure ill do 1 plant TW just for him ya know but I smoke so I need plenty for me 2.:jointsmile: Ya I was also trying to decide on"White widow/ White Russian/white rhino" And then between"Chronic/Papaya/bubblicous/Northn lights/Cali Orange" But will say TW will be #1 of 3 to get. Thanx Bro.:thumbsup:


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[bigtopsfinn]

Took her out today to look at the trichomes in the sunlight. All clear and a few amber ones here and there... maybe 5%. In my own eyes, it still appears to be growing. I haven't watered since Friday, (4 days ago), and the pot feels like it still has a bit of water, so I think I'll let it be for a couple days. I just don't want her to get over-ripe, and I'll wait until 10% amber until I cut her down.

The other one is still drying. It's lost half it's weight already. Granted I have been testing it out a little :stoned::stoned::stoned: with the oven dry technique... 2 hours at 65C. Trichomes stay in tact and don't look much more amber than the wet ones. Mighty powerful stuff :jointsmile:

[Divestoned]

nice job finn.:thumbsup:

Dive:stoned:

[headshake]

damn son! hell yeah!

man, i can't wait to get a real light!

awesome job finn.


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[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks Dive and Shake :jointsmile:

I said all clear before, I meant to say all cloudy, with a little amber :stoned::stoned::stoned:

But I'm gonna keep looking at it daily so it doesn't get over done.

[KillerBudG]

She looking good Fin bet ya can't wait to try some when it is properly cured..




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[bigtopsfinn]

OK...finally I cut the other one down this morning. It flowered for 63 days. Might have been able to stretch it out, but the first batch is pretty stony already, so maybe this one won't get me so comatose :stoned:

I gave her some water on Wed or Thurs, so it's not as wet as the first harvest. This one, after trim, weighed in at 235g (the first one was 205g and really wet).

First harvest is already dry and curing. Weight as of now is 56g... add in the 5g i gave away plus at least another 5g smoked, so anywhere between 60-70g from that one ugly girl. She's starting to lose that wet grass smell, and it's a really sweet and pungent smell now. Still burping the jar a little every now and then to get the nugs a little dryer.

From the looks of things, I think I'll be Scrog'n again :jointsmile:
It's a pretty big pain in the ass, but it's worth the extra grams for sure. Honestly, I was pretty pessimistic during the whole grow, but the results so far have been quite surprising, especially in terms of yield. My goal was 100g, later I was hoping for 80g, now it looks like I'll have at least 120g... but I'll update with the final weight once this one is dry.

Here's a few pics from just before harvest and after. I'm gonna hang them for a couple days, then use paper bag, then into glass jars. (Sorry the pics kinda suck)

[bigtopsfinn]

Here's some pics of the ugly one. Very dense little nugs packed with crystals...mmmmm.....:jointsmile:

[Divestoned]

looks tasty. :thumbsup:

[headshake]

you can order one of those microscopes online. or you could have a buddy from the states send you one!


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[bigtopsfinn]

you can order one of those microscopes online. or you could have a buddy from the states send you one!


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Yup... my friend is coming to EU next month... I've been on his ass to go to Radio Shack for me :lookat: Thanks for reminding me to remind him again :thumbsup:

[fluid69]

mmmm.. looks so tasty

[8182KSKUSH]

makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Grow looks good too LOL!

[headshake]

i hope he remembers bigtop!

you are welcome.


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[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks for stopping in everyone :jointsmile:

[Divestoned]

Thanks for stopping in everyone :jointsmile:

Thank's HELL, I want the 10 dollars you said you'd pay me to post nice compliment's

lookin forward to your next grow finn :thumbsup:

Dive:stoned:

[bigtopsfinn]

LOL...(check's in the mail)

Starting an internship in Amsterdam at the end of July... depending on what kind of place we find, my growing might be on an extended break :(

But, I don't think I'll be short of good weed anytime soon :jointsmile:

[Shovelhandle]

nicely done, Finn. remind me, what is the internshop all about?

[KillerBudG]

Dam the buds look awesome tops good luck with that internship also.:thumbsup:




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[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks Shov and Killer :jointsmile:

I basically started college all over again when I came here to Finland... part of my curriculum includes a 100- working day "practical training" experience. Cool thing is that I can do it anywhere in the world basically, and I'll receive money from my school and the Finnish government to pay for everything :):):) Socialism ain't all that bad (I'm sure my opinion will change once I have to start paying taxes though :cool: )

Very difficult to find an apartment though :( Growing might not be an option until next year :mad:

[KillerBudG]

Well Tops just make sure you have ya enough smoke to hold ya over. I hope you won't try to grow in a apartment you are not comfortably in or not in the right location you like.:thumbsup::jointsmile:



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[bigtopsfinn]

Well Tops just make sure you have ya enough smoke to hold ya over. I hope you won't try to grow in a apartment you are not comfortably in or not in the right location you like.:thumbsup::jointsmile:


For sure :jointsmile:

I can get a little paranoid at times... I don't think I would ever grow in the U.S. with your laws. Here, you get fine if you get caught. They also take away your grow equipment, which would piss me off more than the fine!

Anyways, we'll see. Growing in Amsterdam isn't too risky, since by law they just take your plants away if they find them...

[FourTwenty4Life]

I just played catch up with your grow log. Looks delicious! If your "ugly" girl looked like that, I can't wait to see the "pretty" girl lol. I'm looking forward to reading a smoke report. Well done!:hippy:

[jlve187]

I stopped thinking about trimming and just did it. I also went ahead and tucked everything underneath the screen again, and should have exposed some more bud sites. Looking back at it now, I'm thinking maybe I went a little overboard, but oh well. I got a lot of trimmings, and I think I'm gonna turn them into Cannabutter. :jointsmile:

Did you top your first grow or these 2 when you LST???? I have grown once indoors and once outdoors but never topped and never LST'D...I got some good money seeds and i have grown up and i been researching....I love your daughters hope mine look like that...I germinated and put few of my seeds in some soil on may 5th they are still babies but i wanted to know about the Lst please get back to me when you can it would be great Thanks man!!!:thumbsup:

[jlve187]

Well, they are colorful! I am sure they will be great nonetheless! So that's weird that 1 of them did that and one didn't? What gives? Any theories? It'll be interesting to compare the yield and smoke reports between the 2. I mean for you to compare LOL! So happy to see you almost done! Good for you! And even if the 1 doesn't smoke as well as you would like, there's always hash! Or eating it!:D

You should try to re-veg your best plant and veg it back out, cut clones, and do it again!:jointsmile:

Just some pics I found on the internet.:thumbsup:

Hey those pics of girls you found were they topped or LST'D??? By the way those are beautys

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks for stopping in again, 420! Final yield and smoke reports should be coming this weekend...

gotta go and see what you have been up to lately :jointsmile:




Did you top your first grow or these 2 when you LST???? I have grown once indoors and once outdoors but never topped and never LST'D...I got some good money seeds and i have grown up and i been researching....I love your daughters hope mine look like that...I germinated and put few of my seeds in some soil on may 5th they are still babies but i wanted to know about the Lst please get back to me when you can it would be great Thanks man!!!:thumbsup:

jlve- Welcome and thank you for the kind words!

No, I have not "topped" any of my plants.... at least in the way I understand topping, which is to cut off the top growth. I don't really see the point of irreversibly damaging the plant... However, it's said that topping is a must with some strains, but I don't really know why they wouldn't LST instead. It might be because topping is simple: one snip, and you are done. Great if you have a lot of plants. But, in my case, I had plenty of time to train the girls with both the lst and scrog. It's said that the plant needs 2 weeks to recover from topping, while mine would always start growing for the light again only a few hours after LST.

In pic 4 (post #32), you can however see that I took off everything underneath the canopy. The theory was to get rid of bud sites that would not fully develop, so the plant could use more energy toward the top. I also removed the leaves in the hopes to get more airflow around the plants. The leaves were pretty much just stacked one on top of the other under the screen... not getting light and restricting airflow. Not really sure, though, how easily a plant can choke itself in SCROG, so I might skip the trimming next time and see what happens.

I wouldn't hesitate to LST... even if they are expensive seeds. Pretty hard to screw it up... even if you snap the main stem, you can just give it some support, and it will repair itself in time.

Hope this helps! Feel free to ask if you still have questions, and I will do my best to answer them for you :thumbsup:

[jlve187]

Thanks for stopping in again, 420! Final yield and smoke reports should be coming this weekend...

gotta go and see what you have been up to lately :jointsmile:





jlve- Welcome and thank you for the kind words!

No, I have not "topped" any of my plants.... at least in the way I understand topping, which is to cut off the top growth. I don't really see the point of irreversibly damaging the plant... However, it's said that topping is a must with some strains, but I don't really know why they wouldn't LST instead. It might be because topping is simple: one snip, and you are done. Great if you have a lot of plants. But, in my case, I had plenty of time to train the girls with both the lst and scrog. It's said that the plant needs 2 weeks to recover from topping, while mine would always start growing for the light again only a few hours after LST.

In pic 4 (post #32), you can however see that I took off everything underneath the canopy. The theory was to get rid of bud sites that would not fully develop, so the plant could use more energy toward the top. I also removed the leaves in the hopes to get more airflow around the plants. The leaves were pretty much just stacked one on top of the other under the screen... not getting light and restricting airflow. Not really sure, though, how easily a plant can choke itself in SCROG, so I might skip the trimming next time and see what happens.

I wouldn't hesitate to LST... even if they are expensive seeds. Pretty hard to screw it up... even if you snap the main stem, you can just give it some support, and it will repair itself in time.

Hope this helps! Feel free to ask if you still have questions, and I will do my best to answer them for you :thumbsup:

Hey thanks for getting back to me...I'm not that experiendced in any scrog methods but i am going to try the Lst method.... I have 5 gallon buckets but until they grow more and after a few transplanting then they will be in the 5 gallon buckets...But i was wondering when i should start Lst??? I was told i could start when the plant reached like 3 or 4 nodes... Also when i start do i just tie like the top of the plant and make it like a U shape facing the ground???Get back to me when you can and also ill be looking at your pics to kind of get a better idea of things...Kind of copy you!!:thumbsup:Great log though man!!!

[bigtopsfinn]

No problem :jointsmile:

I start at about 5 nodes. Then tie nylon string to the plant a node or two from the top and gently bend the main stem so that the top is about parallel to the ground, no more than that. Don't tie it too tight! That first tie may be thicker than your thumb when the plant gets mature.

After a while, the top turns itself upwards towards the light, and the plant will have a slight S shape to it. Once it has grown another node or two, tie it down again. After a couple times, the new growth from the lower nodes will catch up to the top. Then you just continue to tie down the highest growth and try to make the canopy as flat and wide as possible (as long as it fits your space, lighting, etc.)

I transplant 4 times, so each time I have to untie the strings from the buckets. I actually used duct tape this time to attach the string to the bucket and it worked fine, didn't have to drill holes. I'll even cut the old strings so they don't strangle the plant and re-tie them.

In the first link in my sig there are some more explanations of LST in posts #15 and #17. Good luck and let us know how it goes :thumbsup:

[FourTwenty4Life]

Thanks for stopping in again, 420! Final yield and smoke reports should be coming this weekend...

gotta go and see what you have been up to lately :jointsmile:



So where's our smoke/vape report bigtopsfinn?! I've never tried Trainwreck so I'm intrigued and anxious...also pretty high right now:D. Well done sir!:hippy:

[bigtopsfinn]

So where's our smoke/vape report bigtopsfinn?! I've never tried Trainwreck so I'm intrigued and anxious...also pretty high right now:D. Well done sir!:hippy:

:) Sorry for long wait everyone. Since harvest I have been quite lazy :stoned::stoned::stoned:

So, I just weighed the second batch. 55g. Add that to the first harvest which has about the same, 55-60g. So, I'm guessing my final yield (without me smoking anything) would be around 110g to 120g... which is not bad considering I have 3.5 sq.ft. of growing space. That's more than an ounce per square foot.

I was a little surprised by the yield of the second one... thought it would be much more. You can see the two jars, the one on the left is the new one. Looks like one has much more, but they weigh almost the same. Maybe I should have left it for another week...

I've been burping both of the jars now only once or twice a week. They seem pretty dry and smoke well, and smell great also. Might just leave them like they are now, and wait for the curing to make them even better.


As for the smoke report... well... what can I really say. They have a very sweet and pungent aroma in the jars, which stinks up the room if you open them. The smoke itself also has a little sweetness to it. It's not too harsh either like the last time. The curing really makes the difference. The highs from the two are pretty much the same. It starts to hit you after a couple puffs, and quickly builds up. A lot of times I put out my joint as soon as it starts to come on, because it's really like a trainwreck. The "back" of the high comes a little later. Very relaxing but goes more to the dome than you might think for a strain that GH calls an "indica"

No vape report unfortunately :( I've never been one who spends much money on smoking devices... I actually prefer joints. It does hit nicely out of my friends bong though :jointsmile:

[frostedwonder]

Hey I like those jar pics mmm. I really hope I can get to half the yield your working with. I am not one for patience and the final weeks suck, watching your yummy ladies and trying not to cut them with a knife.... You do very well in your grow space major props!:jointsmile:

[FourTwenty4Life]

:) Sorry for long wait everyone. Since harvest I have been quite lazy :stoned::stoned::stoned:

So, I just weighed the second batch. 55g. Add that to the first harvest which has about the same, 55-60g. So, I'm guessing my final yield (without me smoking anything) would be around 110g to 120g... which is not bad considering I have 3.5 sq.ft. of growing space. That's more than an ounce per square foot.

I was a little surprised by the yield of the second one... thought it would be much more. You can see the two jars, the one on the left is the new one. Looks like one has much more, but they weigh almost the same. Maybe I should have left it for another week...

I've been burping both of the jars now only once or twice a week. They seem pretty dry and smoke well, and smell great also. Might just leave them like they are now, and wait for the curing to make them even better.


As for the smoke report... well... what can I really say. They have a very sweet and pungent aroma in the jars, which stinks up the room if you open them. The smoke itself also has a little sweetness to it. It's not too harsh either like the last time. The curing really makes the difference. The highs from the two are pretty much the same. It starts to hit you after a couple puffs, and quickly builds up. A lot of times I put out my joint as soon as it starts to come on, because it's really like a trainwreck. The "back" of the high comes a little later. Very relaxing but goes more to the dome than you might think for a strain that GH calls an "indica"

No vape report unfortunately :( I've never been one who spends much money on smoking devices... I actually prefer joints. It does hit nicely out of my friends bong though :jointsmile:

The final product definitely qualifies as some high grade medical herb!:thumbsup:

If you've never tried a vaporizer man, you're missing out. You can get them pretty cheap and the health benefits alone are reason enough for me to use one. :vap_smiley: I still love rollin' a spliff or tokin' from the bubbler or bong though.

Do you have anything planned for your next grow or are you just going to sit back and enjoy your hard work for now?:jointsmile::stoned:

I'll be harvesting some white dwarfs in a few weeks so be sure to check in! :hippy:

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks Frosted and 420! I'll be checking out your logs as they come along :)

Tried a Vape a few times, Vapor Brothers if I remember correctly... definitely good times :jointsmile: Maybe one day... still need to invest some $$$ into my growing projects, especially my next one.

Right now I'm just sitting back and enjoying the harvest. Moving to Amsterdam in a couple months... don't know if I can grow there or not.

Once I start up again, I'm planning on getting a little more space, maybe building a custom 1m x 1m cab. Also looking into getting some regular White Russian seeds, keeping a male, and crossing it with the Trainwreck. Still got 2 seeds left. Should be an interesting project :D

[oldmac]

Yo bigtopsfinn,

Thank you for your grow log and great pics. I think yours' is the best LST pics I've seen in a long time, if ever.

Looking forward to your White Russian cross Trainwreck project...hope it won't be too long from now.

And good luck in Amsterdam, what a great place to go and live for awile...
I'm envious.

[bigtopsfinn]

Hey Oldmac... your welcome and thank you :jointsmile:

Don't know how long it will be till my next project, but I'm already itching to start growing again. Planning and reading in the mean time :thumbsup:

[KillerBudG]

Hey yo Tops looking good man.:thumbsup: I would really enjoy to see how some TWxWR would turn out. I bet that Dutch Pimp would probably like to see that also. But will be w8in to see what you have brewing over there:jointsmile:



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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[HighonaMountain]

Hey finn i just got done going through ur log. spectacular job by the way:thumbsup: hey if it wouldnt be too much trouble would u mind looking at my new log, its in my signature. my friend gave me some fucked up plants he had under some small flouros and i put them under my 400w hps. they r really stretched out and i tied them over some what, any advice or thoughts on my situation would be wonderful. thanks man:rastasmoke:

[jimmy345]

Bigtops nice grow just finished it there a good read to prep for my ones, looks like some fine wreck buds :jointsmile:.


Enjoy the amesterdame ill be there myself over the summer on my quarterly visit. thanks for showing us your grow.

[mtrxdrgn]

yo bigtops just finished readin the thread(very late lol) but just had to say they looked B E A U T I F U L!! very nice yield for the amount of space u had too! good job and enjoy the fruits of your labor!:jointsmile:

[bsddogg]

Hi mate,

I am looking to do a first time grow. Yours turned out great! Do you have any step by step instructions on what you roughly did by any chance?

[bigtopsfinn]

Hi mate,

I am looking to do a first time grow. Yours turned out great! Do you have any step by step instructions on what you roughly did by any chance?

Well, I'd say read all of the stickies on this site, and then some :thumbsup: and I'd start with this (http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/127522-simple-noob-instructions-growin-da-dankness.html). If you have any specific questions about my grow, I'd be more than happy to answer them :jointsmile:

[mrlaroo]

Nice grow, How did you get the TW to be that small? You must have top it and FIM and also LST on to the scrog? I am amazed how small you got that sativa strain. Know it was a bit ago but would if your around would like to know what you did. nice job..

[bigtopsfinn]

Nice grow, How did you get the TW to be that small? You must have top it and FIM and also LST on to the scrog? I am amazed how small you got that sativa strain. Know it was a bit ago but would if your around would like to know what you did. nice job..

mrlaroo, apologies for missing this. Haven't been checking in that much.

To answer your question, I only did LST and Scrog, no topping or fimming. According to Greenhouse Seeds, this is an indica dominant strain, and judging from the flowering time I would agree. They say it's from the original Arcata cut, and when I did some research it seemed to have more Sativa in it (Mexican or Columbian, Lowland Thai and I think Afghan, can't remember now but I read it in another forum) It's not the highest yielding strain, but very powerful stuff.

Just got back from Amsterdam and moved into a new apartment in Finland. I'll probably be moving back to Amsterdam sometime this year, but in the meantime I'll be starting another project. But I won't be investing much like I had planned. I'll use mostly the same equipment and seeds, stay tuned ;)

[Shovelhandle]

Hey Finn :jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

Right back at ya Shov :jointsmile:

Nice to see some familiar faces, I'll have to check out what you've been up to lately...

[ShastaCoMan]

looking good, BUT those buds look a little loose? or is it just me?..

everytime ive grown trainwreck, the nuggets were do hard and crystalline you could load them up in a slingshot and break windows,


gorgeous flowers though.

[bigtopsfinn]

looking good, BUT those buds look a little loose? or is it just me?..

everytime ive grown trainwreck, the nuggets were do hard and crystalline you could load them up in a slingshot and break windows,


gorgeous flowers though.

The uglier one was more dense, and the prettier one was a little more airy. Still harvested the same in dry weight. Maybe should have let it go a little longer.