feminized seeds..some male

[bigitaly4life]

I had 11 plants from 4 different types of seeds, 2 were fem. 2 werent. 4 days into flowering one showed sign possible male..wasnt sure, figured its still early to tell. day 6 went down and 3 of 6 feminized were male, and 3 of 5 unfeminzed were male..

the one i thought was male ended up being a male. do you think because i didnt take it out immediately it had an effect or no? i just think thats wierd.

[oSecretGardeno]

I had 11 plants from 4 different types of seeds, 2 were fem. 2 werent. 4 days into flowering one showed sign possible male..wasnt sure, figured its still early to tell. day 6 went down and 3 of 6 feminized were male, and 3 of 5 unfeminzed were male..

the one i thought was male ended up being a male. do you think because i didnt take it out immediately it had an effect or no? i just think thats wierd.

Feminized seeds are definitely not a guarantee that they will be a female. Under ideal conditions some seed vendors claim they get 90% female from feminized seeds. If you are asking if it is weird that you have a bunch of males, even with fem seeds, then my opinion is no. If you are asking if the males had a chance of pollinating your girls, the answer is no. 4 days in is usually not enough to create viable pollen, or disperse it for that matter.

On a side note, a lot of breeders won't even work with feminized seeds because they are technically hermi seeds and although all plants can hermi, some think it gives them a great chance of herming again.

[bigitaly4life]

gotcha..did not no that.

[Rusty Trichome]

On a side note, a lot of breeders won't even work with feminized seeds because they are technically hermi seeds and although all plants can hermi, some think it gives them a great chance of herming again.
Any cannabis plant can hermie. Period. From what I understand, femmed or not...the genetics are the same, but the difference is in the chromosomes. I could find no info to the contrary but if anyone has info stating differently, I'd be glad to look-n-learn.

True, there is a prejudice against femmed seeds, and one should likely not use them to further the genetics if they can at all help it, but this is just a "better safe than sorry" approach. I've grown them out, and bred them, with no noticible differrence. But, I do keep my ''normal' seeds separate tho. (better safe than sorry)

Over the past 10,000+ years, cannabis had developed the ability to alter it's hormones (or is it steroids) and hermie...it's a survival trait, latent in the genes of all cannabis plants. (not sure about auto-flower strains, as I've never played with those)
Stress from over-ripening, chemicals, dissolved metals, hormones, ph swings, aspirin, and light poisoning are a few of the most popular methods used to get the nanners to form. This strategy gives the species a better chance of survival. This does not mean the latent genes modify themselves to become active in all successive generations, but I can see where many successive generations of stressed plants could become a strain of genetic hermies.

Femmed seeds are just that...femmed. (two X chromosomes) A femmed seed does not contain any male chromosomes. (one X and one Y chromosome) If you were sold femmed seeds, and got a male...I'd demand my money back, because you've been had. It's either that, or the breeder was careless enough to allow a male plant to donate to the genepool, in which case, he's lazy or inattentive...and...the seeds might not even be the true strain it was sold as, if the father was a different strain.

[LolaGal]

I agree with Rusty. There should be NO males in fem seeds, since they don't have any male genes, impossible to be anything other than female. I'd think I was ripped off from seed company if it happened to me, and want a refund.

Where did you buy these seeds? I'd like to know so I can avoid them.

[seaflo]

Lola is right; there are very few breeders that do this femming right. Some of the more reputable ones are not doing fems anymore. Paradise is supposed to be one of the better breeders doing fem seeds. Remember that the environment will cause some to hermie; too hot/root problems/etc... Good luck:hippy:

[detroitfish]

is 140 bucks for 30 feminized white widow seeds good deal?

[bigitaly4life]

i got them through this site..i got super silver haze and white widow feminized. ( grew 4 and 3 were males) then got top 44 and white shark which were m/f

[Rusty Trichome]

Would definatelly bring this to their attention, pronto. :thumbsup:

[LolaGal]

is 140 bucks for 30 feminized white widow seeds good deal?

Doesn't sound too bad for fems.....I've paid 40 bucks for 10 regulars. where is this deal at?

BigItaly4Life: I agree with Rusty again (a minor miracle, twice in one day! haha)....let us know what they say when you tell them their fem seeds were boys....

[bigitaly4life]

i'll definitally bring it up and let u guys no..my buddy is convinced that the one male turned all the other males..thats not the case correct? the males only pollinate the others after some time, right? i know a good bit about marijuana, DEFINITELY not everything, but if thats the case i need to catch up on some reading..

[Rusty Trichome]

Male plants will not turn a female plant into a male plant. A male plant will turn a female plant into a pregnant female plant, tho.

Cannabis seeds have two chromosomes. Either they have two 'X' chromosomes and are female, or they have one 'X' and one 'Y' chromosome, and are male.

When you stress a female plant into giving pollen sacks, the pollen has only two 'X' chromosomes, since there was no male to donate the 'Y' chromosome. So all resultant seeds are guranteed to either be duds, or they will be females. No other result is biologically possible.

[LolaGal]

Rusty's right! (OMG, 3 times in one day) LOL

[DTRave420]

A (fem) grow needs to be tight...Timing and temps have to be on the money...A light leak or a timer that malfuncions will hermie the grow for shit sure...I've had alot of success with fem seeds...I recommend PARADISE,DUTCH PASSION,GREEN HOUSE,and SWEET SEEDS as I've had successful fem grows with these companies...

[oldmac]

Yo Big,

I posted a responce on your other thread, thought it beared repeating here.

Feminized seeds produce female plants. If you had plants turn out male, then you DID NOT have feminized seeds.

I just started 70 beans from seeds that I produced, so far 60 or so have popped. I will veg them for a week or so to let them establish a root system and a few sets of leaves, then in they go to bloom just like I would clones.
No need to grow them out in order to sex them.....I know they are female, that is why I produced them.

BUT, keep in mind that unlike clones that will all grow the same, there will be slight variations in plants produced from seeds.

[Rusty Trichome]

Hey old...what method(s) do you use to fem your seeds...? (just curious)

[oldmac]

Hey old...what method(s) do you use to fem your seeds...? (just curious)

Hi Rusty,

Indoors, I simply screw with thier light schedule. Turn the lights on in the middle of thier dark period. A couple a days of that and MOST will turn. But I've had strains that I abused day in and day out with light, water etc. and they wouldn't herm for me. I had one plant once I screamed and cursed at one day, and the next day it hermied, (and I didn't want it to) go figure.

In my greenhouse, where I can't control thier light very well or indanger plants I don't want to turn, I usually "poison" them with aspirin.

"take two aspirin and call me hermie in the morning"

What's your favorite way?

[Farmer Rich]

Hey Old, I'm curious too?

On my first grow from bag seed, I had a plant go hermi, fertilizing the entire box. My understanding is that any plant fertilized by a hermaphrodite will always produce fem seeds, so I decided to try a few of the beans and see what happened. Grew great, looked beautiful and every one of them started popping dicks within the first 3 weeks of flowering. Needless to say, for the greater good of the garden, they were executed.

Now I have a White Diesel in flower from a While Label fem seed. She's the big girl on the right in the pic. So far so good, but only a little over a week into flower. I refrained from using Reverse because I wanted to see how she does on her own. Please say a prayer to the Ganja Gods for me, the cuts I took are coming on strong! This is the experimental run, I also have fem seeds (all White Label) of White Widow and Blue Berries (I think it's been renamed to White Gold) that I'm waiting to try.

Peace,

Farmer Rich

[bigitaly4life]

its no big deal guys..i was just curious if it was something i did..because i know thats unusual...thanks

[Rusty Trichome]

BigItaly...Was just thinking...are you sure the nanners were'nt calyx's? On a couple of my strains, the calyx's start coming-in looking like nanners at first. Would be a shame to find out they were culled too soon, and were really females.


Hi Rusty,
In my greenhouse, where I can't control thier light very well or indanger plants I don't want to turn, I usually "poison" them with aspirin.

Instead of light poisoning the entire grow...can you remove one plant nightly, dose her with about 5 or 10 minutes of cfl light, and return her in the morning? Only takes a couple/few nights to start showing results.


What's your favorite way?
I've used Gibrellic Acid, uncoated aspirins, and light poisoning. Lately tho, I've been sticking with the light schedule manipulation. Tiz the least-invasive method, and the genetics show no signs of mutating into a hermie strain. (despite the paranoia I've encountered on other sites)


I also have fem seeds (all White Label) of White Widow and Blue Berries (I think it's been renamed to White Gold) that I'm waiting to try. I wonder why it was named White Gold? Shouldn't it have been WidowBerry, lol?

[Farmer Rich]

Nah... different strains, separate seeds... I think the Blue Berries was a bit conflicting, maybe too similar to the real deal from DJ Short. So now they call that strain White Gold... Just a guess.

:jointsmile: