First Grow, Log one

[spiked666killer]

Hello everyone, I have a few questions...
This plant is about 2-3 1/2 weaks old now.
Should it be only this big?
So far Im doing the light scheduals sort of random, Atleaste till I get a timer.
But Im trying to keep it at 18/6. Though I sometimes am off give or take a couple hours.


Theres a little yellowing on the bottom leaf you can see in the picture, Doesn't the bottom leafs turn yellow and fall off, Is this normal.
I don't have much money for a ph testing kit and all the things.
So I'm trying to go as cheap as possible.
If any one has imput please help a fellow out.



Okay pics of my lime-a-bean.
Its Ruffly about 6-7 Inches tall.

The lights:
Two - 100 watt regualare house hold bulbs, And One 150 watt Full Spectrum Sun Bulb. About 2 feet above limeabean.

The soil: Note: Im use a mix of the picture belowe, Along with Miracle Grow Organic Mix.

The Temp:
80.5-85.2 F


I have not used nutrients yet, I water once-twice daily, When I can stick my finger down in the soil and its dry, Not the top layer of course.
And the bulbs are regualre house bulbs, Incondesant.
I was going to use cfls but I could only find them in 75 watts, So it didnt seam like very much.

[detroitfish]

get the cfls with atleast 5000 kelvin color here is what mine look like at 2 1/2 weeks with cfls about 280 watts worth of 5000kelvin on 18/6 timer

[spiked666killer]

What do you mean 5000 kelvin color.
And the cfls are the wierd spiral energy saving bulbs correct?
So I need 3 - 75 wattage ones?

How much would thoes typically run?


Should I ditch the soil too.
I was reading on the back of the package it ses "Keeps your garden Weed free".


What would be a good soil with the right ph,
I dont want to use nutrients with this grow, As Im trying to go as natural as possible. So whats a cheap soil is what Im asking.
If some one can tell me a list of things for around 30 dollares, That I could use to make this successfull Id apreciate it very much.

[Lit Up]

Ok, I can see them now.

1. Your lights suck to put it simply. Got out and buy a 4 pack of CFL's 23-26 watts.
2. You will only need 1 or 2 lights right now. 3 is not necessary, especially household bulbs which I assume are incandesent. Ditch em all.
3. Move lights closer with CFL's you can go 2-3 inches. It is stretching way bad.
4. You should have started in a smaller pot. 16 oz. plastic cup and gradually move to bigger pots. That one you have it in is huge.
5. Soil looks dry, what's the water schedule?

Get back to me.

Edit: This is my response from the other forum. This should really be in plant problems forum.

[spiked666killer]

Im watering a couple times a day, When the soil is dry a few inches down in.

Read my post above please ^.

[spiked666killer]

Can I use 3 - 75 watt CFls?

Or Is that to much for the plant to go from vegg all the way up till flowering.

What exactly should I be looking for.


Some one please reply.

K thx.

[spiked666killer]

Okay, So update number 2.

Today I whent and bought a timer, 4.98$ at the local appliance store.
And a four back of 23 watt, Soft white compact fluoresant bulbs.
Heres a picture of the baby today.


I'll keep you guys posted, With a once a weak update.





By the way, My fishy ses hello.
XD.

[Lit Up]

You got any other seeds you can start. From the looks of it, I don't know if it'll make it too far. Prob better to start over.

That soil is garbage too, I just saw that post. Why do you think people call weed?

[spiked666killer]

Whats a good soil I could buy at walmart or homedepot?
Also, Can I make my own mixture with stuff around the house?

[Shovelhandle]

Read around there is lots of information in the threads here try FAQ in the grow forum.
With a few cfl lights you should be able to raise a pot plant to flower. The soil is important.

For a premix soil you could find a potting soil without the time released nutrients. To mix your own usually you'd need pro mix (which is a peat moss base) composted manure, perlite and vermiculite.
I start with a plain potting soil like Hyponex, add a little more of everything like composted manure, worm castings, perlite, vermiculite, peat moss and lime. Other things people may add would be bone meal, blood meal, bat guana, humic acid...it's a recipe.

[Shovelhandle]

The warm white bulbs are perfect for flowering, cool white would be better for vegging, if you could do that. Good Luck!

Oh, Hi fishy!

Shov

[spiked666killer]

Okay so I just added two more bulbs,
I have 4 - 23 watt soft white Cfls.
Will that do good?
All I could find was soft white cfls for the money I had on me.

I'm not sure how good shes doing.
I dont want to give up on the plant.
But it isnt growing any taller that Iv'e noticed,
Anyways, I do however see new growth of leafs sence Ive changed the bulbs.
Maybe she will grow taller idk?

Im going to have to go outside and dig up some new soil soon.
Iv'e noticed some yellowing on the leafs, That could possibly be inbalaced Ph levels idk.

The timer I got isnt working to well, Should invested more than 5 dollares in a timer, It isnt to precises.

Also I got another seedling started, But it doesnt seam to be getting any bigger.

How ofton should I be watering these babys?
Any tips and help would be super.

Thanks so much.

Your fellow noob grower.

[Lit Up]

I'm just afraid your soil is going to fuck you over eventually.

[spiked666killer]

Well the only reason I ditched the Organic soil I was using.
Is because I noticed alott of brown mights.
So I just threw it all away.

I really hope my soil doesnt come back to haunt me over a bad choice.
As the ground is frozen rate now, Or else Id go dig some up.
If I do go pick up some soil, What exactly should I be looking for.
I hear peat moss or soemthing was good.
But I dont think homedepot sells it.
I did however take notes of... They have...

Vigoro® All Purpose Plant Fertilizer 13-13-13
Vigoro 3.5 Lb. Premium Bone Meal
Vigoro 2.5 Lb. Blood Meal
Miracle-Gro® 3 Lb. Organic Choice® Bone Meal
Miracle-Gro® 3 Lb. Organic Choice® Blood Meal
Holland Bulb Booster 3.5 Lb. Bulb Fertilizer
All American 40 Lb. 12-12-12 Lawn & Garden Fertilizer



I might try to use some nutrients, When would be a good time to use them.
Also, I just picked up a bottle of BIG BLOOM.

[spiked666killer]

Some one please reply on the soil I should buy, That I mentioned above.

By the way updated pics.

[KingKronic420]

here is what someone else on another board is using:

The soil mix consist of 1 bag of mriacle grow organic + 1 bag of pro mix + 1 cup blood meal + 1 cup bone meal + 1/2 cup dolimite lime + 10-20% added chunky perlite

and only waters with tap water through out the entire grow. with SPECTACULAR results.

[detroitfish]

whats up shovel??? 5000 kelvin is the color of the light wjite to blue for veg more red for flower here is a link to some good bulbs 85W 120V Spiral Medium Base (http://www.planetbulbstore.com/sp85-med.html) i have 3 of these for veg 5000 kelvin and i have 3 of the 2700 kelvin 42 watt for bloom box!but i keep getting all males because i have the worst luck darn it :mad: ill keep an eye on this one bro keep us updated :thumbsup:

[detroitfish]

Discount Hydroponics - Ocean Forest Soil (http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=364&navid=34)

[spiked666killer]

Thanks for takeing the time to read this, Most people just look at this thread and say to them selfs, " Oh well thats his problem".

But I really apprecaite the imput.
I posted a couple pics above of my lights.
Are thoes good for vegg.
There soft white cfls, 4 - 23 watt bulbs.

[animalman]

your going to want more bulbs as you plants as your plants get bigger, and i like daylight spectrum cfls. but what you have is a good start. as for soil i used miracle grow seedling starter formula for my grow, its ph balanced and contains no nutrients, that way i have total control of the nutrients the plants get. good luck with your grow, you might luck out like me and have a great first grow. heres a pic of me with my girls. read over this thread about lighting it should help you understand, it did for me

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-lighting/140735-answers-about-cfl-hps-how-much-light.html

[spiked666killer]

So I feel like just giving up on this. No one really wants to answer to my questions, Im so irritaited today, That I really feel like giving up.
I whent to the local home depot today, To buy some more potting soil.
But no luck. I couldnt find the blood meal or bone meal. All I found was blood meal and bone meal flower feeder.


So this is my next question.

Why isn't my plant getting very big.

I got FOUR-4- 23 Watt Soft white cfls.
Do I need a higher wattage?


What brands of soil have a good ph lvl, As no one has yet to answer this.

And what can I buy for nutrients, Like what brands.


Please some one answer this.

[Lit Up]

Start over. Already told you.
Your plant has undergone wrong lighting, worng soil, you got like a 5 gallon pot full of seed starter soil. Go buy some organic soil, check the nute levels on the package, start you seedling in a smaller cup and do this thing called "transplanting", I'm sure you can google it.

Get rid of you current plant, just let it go, it is not going to make and this abuse set it back quit a bit. Not worth the time and effort.

Do some research, apparently you grew outside in the past, after reading your old posts it seems like you should have some common knowledge with horticulture. Do some research, we are not here to hold your hand and teach you ropes, you get out of it what you put in.

[spiked666killer]

I'm sorry In my last couple post, If I came off as a spoon feeding moron.

I'm going to take your advice, As you have way more experince than me.
I know nothing about indoor growing, But rather I'm used to out door growing.

Tonight I'm going to go buy all the correct stuff I need and start over.
I was looking at walmart today, I found a 30 Qt bag Of Mirical Grow Organic Soil.

Would Mirical Grow Organic Soil work well?
What should the nutrients on the package be?
What Fertizliars should I pick up while I'm out at the store.
And do I need to buy more cfls, Maybe a differnt kind other than soft white.
Or a higher wattage cfls?


If you can answer my questions Id really appreciate it.

[theeviltrees]

Hi killer,

I'm new to indoor growing myself (but damm good at vegetables!) but I'll help out if I can?

It realy was a good idea to start again!

You want to get some cool white bulbs 23w or 26w would be fine. If you have ebay access that would be the easiest way (you are right that some packs dont have the kelvin output on) do an ebay search for 6500k and see what it comes up with. One bulb per plant would suffice for the start then add one of the bulbs you already have (this is a 1:3 ratio of light as suggested for my grow by goldengraham84) add more bulbs the more they grow, at different levels to make sure all leaves get some.

Miricle grow compost would be fine too, I only used generic brand compost and some of my own compost from the heap with some peat as I dont have any perlite (+ a little grit as to not impede drainage - not sure if this is nessessary though)

You shouldn't need any nutes for a while if your using a good compost and I couldn't advise on what nutes either. (I am using Babybio plant feed, not sure if they do that where you are from? it is NPK 10.6-4.4(1.9 soluable in water)-1.7 )

Get some smaller pots as already suggested. but have some bigger ones ready to transplant because you don't want the plants to become pot bound (just like any other plant)

have a hygrometer/thermometer and a fan ready too.

get some litmus paper (its very cheap on ebay) to test the pH of the water + of the nute/water mix when you get to it.

erm can't think of anything else yet?

Hope that was some help?

peace.

[KingKronic420]

Tonight I'm going to go buy all the correct stuff I need and start over.I was looking at walmart today, I found a 30 Qt bag Of Mirical Grow Organic Soil.

Would Mirical Grow Organic Soil work well?
Yes, it will work if you use the mix that i posted above. It is being run by another member on another board with great results.:thumbsup: the amounts can be changed, but thats just how much he mixes when he does it.
What should the nutrients on the package be?
What Fertizliars should I pick up while I'm out at the store.
And do I need to buy more cfls, Maybe a differnt kind other than soft white.
Or a higher wattage cfls?

you want the 6500K for veg and 2700K for flower. :thumbsup:

good luck

[spiked666killer]

Okay thanks for the input.

But If I don't mix other stuff, Would just the Organic mirical grow work.
I'm kind of straped on money, And many places here dont have all the fancy soils. So I'm just going to buy suplies as I go along.


For the Cfls, Should they be 6500k per bulb, Because I added up the lumens of all my bulbs and its over 6500k.

Whats the differnece between Soft white and cool white?
Ain't they sort of the same.
Cause the package didnt really specifiy much.
However someone above mentioned that the bulbs I have would work fine.

I thought higher wattage would be better?
Am I wrong, Cause I was going to go pick up Some 65 watt Cool white bulbs tonight, And They come in a four Pack.

65 watts X 4 Bulbs = 260 Watts totall.

Would 260 watts be to much?

[theeviltrees]

You are confusing lumens with kelvins. They are different things (6500K - K = Kelvins.)

I'm pretty sure the bulbs you have are 2700k as most normal CFL lights are. These bulbs are good - for the flowering stage. But still use ONE of those for the veg stage. You do NEED the 6500k bulbs for veg - yes each bulb would be 6500k there is no math involved adding the bulbs together and it has nothing to do with the wattage either.

Are the bulbs you have 65watt equivalent? (actual wattage somewhere around 13watts?) If so - You will need more eventually. If they are Actually 65watts each they have an equivalent of around 300-400watts each, making them bulbs fine.

[spiked666killer]

Well none of the packages really said the kelvin color.
So I'm going to go to the hydro shop and talk to the guy.
I must of set at walmart for 30 minutes looking in the isles and found nothing.

The Cfls I have are only 23 watts a piece, And I have four of them.
If you could send me a picture that shows where the kelvin color is on a populare brand of cfls sold almost every where, Id greatly appreciate it. Because Ive searched every box from back to front and there nothing about kelvin color. Half of them didn't even state the lumens in the bulbs.


However, Last night I picked up a digital Ph tester.
A 30 Qt Bag Of Mirical Grow Organic Soil.
And Some Root Hormon Solution,
Some Dixie Cups.
A Mini Fan.

[theeviltrees]

Sometimes the packets won't say - The makers don't have to. In my experience of generic or branded CFL's (Sold for general house lighting) they seem to be the 2700k type.

I have found this picture, Kelvin colour (http://boards.cannabis.com/members/theeviltrees-albums-helpful-pictures-picture1399-kelvin-colour.html) I was hoping to find a 'real' picture of various kelvin rated CFL's but i could only find this CG picture.

It gives you the jist of it anyway. The lower the Kelvin rating the yellower it appears, the higher the Kelvin the "whiter/bluer" they look. so you should be able to estimate your bulbs if it doesn't say. You want the white looking ones for veg.

I dont think you need the rooting hormones, they are used for cuttings (clones). but useful if you are going to clone.

23watt bulbs are fine, the more you have the merrier the plants. Its just the kelvins you need to get right

[spiked666killer]

Thanks for the input.
So I examined the package very closesly.
And they are infact 2700k .

So I need to go buy some differnt ones in a couple days.
These ones will work for flowering though?


I am going to take some clones, Thats why I picked up the rooting hormons.


:thumbsup:

[theeviltrees]

Yes those are ideal for flowering.

Have you had a good read of Monkeybones 'pornstars of the green' (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/165377-monkeybones-pornstars-green.html) grow log and osecretgardeno's 'My sexy afghan first grow with CFL' (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/163585-my-sexy-afghan-first-grow-cfls.html) grow log?

They're very good and as good as complete now! Will take a while to read but I found them very instructional, inspirational and informative.

Monkeybone started with:

Quote: Lighting = 2x 42w 6500k cfls + 1x 23w 6500k cfl + 1x 23w 2700k cfl....and more to come. 17h day/7h night. Starting Day at 10am

I have 1 x 125w 6500k CFL 1 x 65w 6500k CFL and 1 x 20w 2700k CFL going.

My grow log is here (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/167829-yet-another-cfl-grow-log.html)

Hope this helps? good luck with it all, take lots of pictures! :D

[GoldenGraham84]

best advice i could give you is that if you're having a hard time scraping money together, don't grow... YET. take the time to save and use this time to READ THESE FORUMS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. there's a wealth of information on here that could get anyone with patience and the ability to read to a level to grow decent marijuana.

that said, if you do decide to keep at it... definitely pick up some CFLs with 5000k or higher kelvin rating, like everyone else said. i'd try to get you to switch to hydroponics, but you might wanna get your feet wet with soil first. i claim sheer luck that my first indoor grow (hydro) was a success. almost everyone says "start in soil, then when you're good at it, go hydro."

[spiked666killer]

I just got some 5500k Blue Day Light Cfls.
I got 3 of them at 26 watts each.

:smokin:

[spiked666killer]

So here what it looks like so far.
I still havn't ditched the plant yet, Because maybe it will come back.
Just waitting on the others to sprout.

So far I got 3-23-cfls 2700k 2-26-cfls 5600k
Watering once a day.
18/6.
Temps:78-81

[Lit Up]

It's looking considerably better. I see you downsized. Good work.

[spiked666killer]

Thanks,
I switched the soil, To mirical grow organic.
And sence Ive added the few 5600k cfls, I see some new growth.
All though I think you are right about the starting over.
I'm just going to let it grow and see what happens,
So far two of the new seeds have hatched.


I know for veg It need 5600k lights,
But would it hurt to run the 2700k's?.
And 2 - 26 watt - 5600k, Is good enough for veg right?

Got a new timer and the light scheduals are fixed.


I'm just going to see what happens, Not get my hopes up.

[theeviltrees]

You want to get the CFL's as close to the plant as you can (about 3-4 inches away is ideal as not to burn them but give them the maximum light.) you should only use the one 2700k bulb if you want to use one.

You WILL need more bulbs as the plants get bigger and then the same amount you end up with but the 2700k types for flowering (maybe more still!)

Any idea of the humidity?

You don't have to religiously water everyday either, only if they need it.

Good work starting again! very good move.

[spiked666killer]

How many bulbs would you say I need for totall vegg, The highest watt bulbs I could find are 26 watts at the store.

I got a totall of 6 bulbs, And 6 lights+clamps.

I'm not sure of the humidity, Probly kind of low though, It isn't a very damp place. But rather dry.


I have the lights about 3-4 inches from it.

It seams rather small for its age, Sence Ive sproted it about a month ago.

When should I put the other seedings that sproted under lights?
18/6 of course, When there about 2-3 weaks?

[theeviltrees]

I would ditch that plant. Its stunted.

Put the sprouted seedlings under light now, where have you currently got them? Also put them in small pots and transplant when needed.

If you have 6 places for bulbs, use them all! Do something like 5 x 6500k (or 5500k if that is what you have) and 1 2700k for veg stage and vice versa for flowering - the stronger the wattage the better (more lumens) but make sure its the correct kelvins for the stage you want. Do keep your Light on and off times deadly accurate and get no light in with them at "night" - Don't even check on them during this time just to make sure.

[spiked666killer]

Well im just going to let it grow, And if the seedling out past it, I will just ditch it lol.

The seedlings have sprouted, But the seed shell is still over it, Its about an inch above the soil, I have them in dixie cups on top of the freezer. When should I put them under a cfl?

[KingKronic420]

are you running just straight MGOS? or did you mix some perlite/vermic in there?

ill be following along, because i have an unopened bag of MGOS and i want to see how this works for you.

good luck.

[spiked666killer]

It just straight MGOS, Keep checking and I'll keep it updated with resaults.


:jointsmile:

[theeviltrees]

Put the sprouted seedlings under light now.

I have seen other people in here carefully use tweezers to pick the shell of if it is stuck on, it may break of though?

[spiked666killer]

Well the shell broke off one of them today, And the other has shot up about an inch. I just got done germinating 4 more and planted them.

:)

[spiked666killer]

So I checked the plant today, And I noticed where the fourth node up, There is a couple what look like little white hairs, Could this possible be showing the sex of the plant, If I switch it to 12/12 and its female, I would probly only get like a bowls worth lol.

I'll get a pic tonight If I can.

[spiked666killer]

Quick question, Does any one know the kelvin rating on this bulb.
Its a 42 watt General Purpose bulb. I just picked up at walmart for like 12 dollares.

Heres a pic.

[theeviltrees]

I guess its 2700k as it's a general purpose household bulb (90% certain), if you send a picture of it on then can guess a bit better. Look around the plastic base of the bulb it may say on that?

look at the picture attatched: you can work it out roughly yourself.

I have noticed The US and the UK CFL's vary in wattage usage and equivilence, eg. in the UK a 20watt (even an 18watt phillips brand) = 100watt output, for 150watt output, the bulbs are only 30watts.... strange???

[spiked666killer]

Okay they seam to be a 2700k.
But Ill just save it for flowering.
I guess it will come in use one day.


So I noticed my plant has like white hairs at the nodes, Does that mean its showing its sex.

Another question do you have Aol Instant messanger Evil trees?
Because it seams like your the only one really helping me out.
Idk, Itd just seam alott faster then posting on here.

:rastasmoke:

[theeviltrees]

Hey again, Sorry I dont use messenger programmes. Glad to help out on here though. I'm on the net as good as every night and most lunch times too (well UK time)

Your Plant may be showing its sex but it may be something else (well I forgot the name of them but they happen at every node) is there 4 in total all around the node (2 on one side, 2 the other?) But it could be pre flowers! - I would concentrate on your new seedlings though and stick to the veg light cycle even if they were pre flowers. Have you got them underneath the lights yet? on a 18/6 or 17/7 cycle?

Shame bout the bulb, at least it won't go out of date or anything!

[spiked666killer]

Okay, Well atleaste you will be stoping by from time to time to help.
:cool: .


I'm going to take some close up picks here in a little bit and post them.
I just started the seedlings under the lights for 18/6.
But one plants looking a beauty, Even though it most likely will never make it to harvest.

[KingKronic420]

But one plants looking a beauty, Even though it most likely will never make it to harvest.

why's that?

[spiked666killer]

Because its rather small for being way over a month old, Don't you think?

[KingKronic420]

Because its rather small for being way over a month old, Don't you think?

dont give up on her. :thumbsup:

sometimes the runts are the best.

[spiked666killer]

So heres an update.
My one plant at the first set of leafs has 2 little hairs, And at the top there four little hairs. I'm not sure what they are, If any one has an idea. I couldnt get a close up pic my cam sucks.



Look at the comparison, My plant at almost 2 months.
And my other plant at 2 days.

[theeviltrees]

I remembered what they might be... bugged me all day, Stipules! they are probably stipules. are they on the stem? I doubt a plant of such small size is producing pistols yet. Your new seedling is looking good, Glad its under the right lights (5500k) and on the right schedule now. give it 10 days and it will have outgrown your '2 month' old plant easily!

[spiked666killer]

Well theres like two on the stem, And the four uptop the plant are like on the two sides where it branches off. But not on the stem.

Yeah i wouldnt doubt it will sure pass the other one. Just two days its looking good and over 2 inch tall.

[spiked666killer]

Sorry for updating so much.
Got home from work today, Decided I needed a new sett up, The other one was to ghetto looking. So I put this together.

[spiked666killer]

Also what would be good plant foods to buy, That most local stores cary.
Like whats the Npk rating for vegg. And npk optimal for Flowering?

[detroitfish]

i use shultz with great succes 10-15-10 for veg and 10-55-10 for flowering but youll have to flush your plants once a month with shultz for salt buildup and it works great for me except i get a freakin MALES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spiked666killer]

Damn that sucks to get all males.
Well I think Im good with out nutrients till about a month in vegg, As my composit consists of an Npk Rating of 5-10-5.


How much does that stuff normally cost?

I figured I need about 50 more dollares for my totall set up to be finish, It would consist of 4 more 5600k bulbs, And a ph kit + A Humidity gauge.
And some nutrients.

[detroitfish]

nutes for shultz should be about 5 bucks each maybe cheaper!7 males out of 8 so far..

[spiked666killer]

Alright so the nodes on my big plant, Have the more and more green like hair things growing off it, And theres also like alott of light green hairs at the top.

Ima post pics soon,

The other plants, Germinaited 4-5 days ago, And there already on there third set of leafs, And looking good.

Woot.

[spiked666killer]

So my plants are 9 days in the vegg, I just picked up some... Mirical Grow All Purpose Plant food, With an NpK rating of 24-8-16.

When can I start using this?, Its 1/4 table spood per gallon of water correct?


My other plant I just started in 12/12 today.

Pics soon.

[spiked666killer]

So heres some pics, I gave them a feeding of the fertz last night.
About half a teaspoon I added to a gallon of water.

About how ofton should I be ferting them, 7-14 days?


Temps at a constant 75.5

Day 10 of Vegg,


I wish more people would post to this.

[Shovelhandle]

Personally, I'd feed them with that stuff at 50% strength every third watering.

Keep up the good work, Bub! :thumbsup:

ps. and I like your new set up too.

[spiked666killer]

Thanks man, I'm going to make another similar box, But bigger for flowering if I ever get there lol.


So about a half a table spoon, Every third watering?
Sometimes I have to water two times a day, Because the soil gets really dry.
You don't think it will over fert them?

Another question I have, I filled a gallon milk jug with the water and ferts, Can I just keep using that? Or should I change that water every couple days, Due to it becoming stagment? I watered my plants with the fertz yesterday it didn't even take nearly a quarter a gallon of water for all my plants.

[Shovelhandle]

maybe i'd use it later that day or on some other plants that need it but it's not advised to store most fertilizer once you mix em in water.

question, spike. how much water does each plant get that it dires up so quickly. The miracle grow is very strong chemically and the salts left behind by the plant can get to critical levels so it's important to see how much chems you're putting in the 1 gallon pails and the smaller peat pots. It's un-good to have too much ferterlizer and/or byproducts.

Good Luck

[spiked666killer]

Thanks for letting me know.

I'm not sure on how much Im watering them exactly.
So I'll just guess about 2-3 ounce of water.
Ruffly that much.

[Lit Up]

I wouldn't be giving any nutes to those seedlings. Wait a couple weeks, they will tell you when you need to give them nutes.

I just don't want you to kill them off because it has happened to me, they look fine, then in a week they're dead and it is hard super hard to pull them back.

[spiked666killer]

Okay, I fed them once, But it wasn't much.
I'll waitt off a couple weaks for the next feeding.


:thumbsup:

[detroitfish]

and start off week on the nutes and go stronger as they grow :thumbsup:

[Lit Up]

^Word.

[spiked666killer]

So I let the runt grow up some more.

And just like two weeks look how big it got.
Glad I didn't ripp it up.


I'm for sure starting to flower in a couple days.


:jointsmile:

[Shovelhandle]

The plant is small but it is half grown (one month into veg). I would still feed it every third water, If it were in my garden.

[spiked666killer]

Actually its a little over 2 months old.
But it had a slow dying start.

Im flowering it at the moment.
Im still going to feed it nutrients.

[bigtopsfinn]

Saw your grow cab there, and you got some lights up top... they won't do much at all. A clf or flouro must be within a couple inches of the plant at all times.

[spiked666killer]

I ditched the cab.
I got a differnt set up now.
With a closet covered in mylar.

[detroitfish]

nice lets see some pics :jointsmile:

[spiked666killer]

I'll post some up here in a bit. If you look a couple posts ahead, I have to pictures of the plant I took today.

[spiked666killer]

How are they looking?
I thought about flowering, But Im going to wait till the little one gets older,


:thumbsup:

[bigtopsfinn]

Yeah, after that rough start, things are looking good for you. I think you could wait maybe a week or two before flowering them... just my :twocents:, good luck:jointsmile:

[Shovelhandle]

When I grew with florescents I would veg for 8 weeks and I still would barely get an ounce per pot. Take your time, especially when then are finishing.

looking fine as frog's hair though! :jointsmile:

[detroitfish]

looks good i waited for 9 weeks then i seen preflowers and then flowered them worked great for me FINALLY ! but they are looking good:D

[spiked666killer]

Thanks for the support every one.
:rasta:

There benn times I wanted to just give up. But I just kept reading every ones logs, And I think I'm going to finally get it right this time. I invested in a bottle of tiger bloom. And fox farms grow big, Ive been feeding them the grow big every three - four times I water. I ditched the mirical grow stuff.

[spiked666killer]

So heres the update,
Not a whole lot has changed, Its day two of 12/12.
About how long does it typically take to flower.

So I looked 3 nodes before the top, And I spotted a white fistle almost a quarter inch tall. So I'm pretty sure its a female.

Well just thought Id share with you all :thumbsup:


Ps: sorry my cam is horrible

[Lit Up]

Hey bud, looks good. Your not going to see pistils @ 2 days yet. Pre-flowers maybe. Good to see she pulled through.

[spiked666killer]

Thanks man,

When do you see pistles? Like ten days or so into flowering?

Cause I saw like the tinyest little white hairs, And theres alott of stupils I think.

[Lit Up]

You switched your lights 2 days ago? Could be pre-flowers, typically about 2 weeks before show, they maybe less. But I can't see your pics that well so I can't say for sure.

[spiked666killer]

Yes I switched them to 12/12 on the 9th.

I know my cam sucks lol, I need to get a better one to take pics with.

Later on Im going to try to take a couple close ups.

[Shovelhandle]

with the indicas I usually grow i'd see preflowers at week 6 of vegging, a couple of weeks before I flip 'em

[bigtopsfinn]

I can't believe that is the same plant from your first post:jawdropper:

[spiked666killer]

Lol, So I take that as a compliment?


I can't bealive it actually grew, So many times I doubted it.
And wanted to just ripp it up.

[spiked666killer]

Now I'm starting to seconde guess that It could be a male, Or maybe even a hermi.

Somone please look at these pictures and tell me if thoes are female pre flowers, I sure hope they are. =/.

It's like 4-5 days in 12/12.

Ps: I know my cam sucks.

[theeviltrees]

Picture one and four kind of look like it has some male flowers coming? bit early to tell though I think...? The rest of the pics are showing stipules. Both of them came on a treat though!

[spiked666killer]

So are you saying I should ripp it up?

=[

[theeviltrees]

No! I'm not 100% lol! I'm hopefully wrong... wait for some more input at least. It is quite early into your flowering stage yet.

[bigtopsfinn]

Too early to tell... Keeping my fingers crossed for ya'. :jointsmile:

[MonkeyBone]

http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/166887-female-preflower.html

Should be something like this...

[spiked666killer]

:D

It has to be female, I looked at the top tonight before the lights whent out.
And there is alott of white hairs almost a quarter inch long.

[spiked666killer]

Heres a little update for you all.
Hows she lookin for almost 2 weeks in flowering?

[spiked666killer]

:(

No comments...?

[bigtopsfinn]

They look great, Killer! Very healthy looking from the pics...I'd like to see some pics of the whole plant, next time :thumbsup:

Great job so far... one thing to keep in mind is that it usually takes longer for cfl grows to finish, which sucks since I'm sure you wanted to smoke this yesterday! Patience and you shall be rewarded even more...:jointsmile:

Good luck!

[spiked666killer]

21 days in to 12/12.
How's she lookin?

:D

[spiked666killer]

Bump.

:jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

Looks good :thumbsup:

Kinda looks like a sativa dominant strain, she's still got a lot of time to grow :)

[spiked666killer]

She smells super skunky, And good.

But my only concerns are..

All I got for Flowering is Two 42 watt/ 150 out put.
Three 26 watt / 100 out put 2700k cfls.
I don't know if that will be enough to flower her good?

Some of the hairs are already turning orangish red color,
Is that bad? A sign that she wants to be picked early?
Or just some good bud?
Cause this plant supposibly came from a medical strain. o.0

Now.. Another problem... =/.
The pot I have her In I thought itd be big enough, But I looked at the bottom of it at the drainage holes, And some of the roots are coming out.
I know she might get root bound.

But would I still get decent smoke off it if she does?
Cause I'm pretty sure its to late to transplant it again.
So I'm kinda screwed, Idk what I should do??

[bigtopsfinn]

All I got for Flowering is Two 42 watt/ 150 out put.
Three 26 watt / 100 out put 2700k cfls.
I don't know if that will be enough to flower her good?

Depends on their lumen output... minimum is 3000 lumens per square foot, I would aim for 5000 or more.




Some of the hairs are already turning orangish red color,
Is that bad? A sign that she wants to be picked early?
Or just some good bud?
Cause this plant supposibly came from a medical strain. o.0

It's normal, nothing to worry about :)


Now.. Another problem... =/.
The pot I have her In I thought itd be big enough, But I looked at the bottom of it at the drainage holes, And some of the roots are coming out.
I know she might get root bound.

But would I still get decent smoke off it if she does?
Cause I'm pretty sure its to late to transplant it again.
So I'm kinda screwed, Idk what I should do??

Not sure what size that container is... She looks like a sativa dominant to me, so a 5 gallon bucket is the smallest possible container, IMO. The bigger the container, the more roots, and the bigger buds :thumbsup:

If you let her get too root bound, it will have many problems, become stressed, possibly hermie, or worse...:( It's not advised to transplant during flowering, but it's better to transplant than to leave it and let it get root bound. If you do it right, there will be minimal stress.

or... you can "stack" within the same container. Take her out, fill the bottom with a few inches of soil, put her back in, and fill in the sides.

Good luck :jointsmile:

[spiked666killer]

Well Later Today I think Im going to kick on the wide spectrum Long shop lights. There spit out alott of lumens. Plus I got a couple Reptile Sun Bulbs, Im going to throw in there for the hoot of it to see what it will do.


I'm so paranoid to transplant it. Last time I did I ripped roots.
Now considering its over 3ft tall, This is going to be a tripp to do by my self.
=/.

I'll post pics later after I transplant if you wanna check it out.

[spiked666killer]

So I just transplanted it, I ripped only a few roots, Nothing major.
Over All I think It was a successe. :thumbsup: .

Shes probly going to be stressed for a couple days, But I guess its better than setting my self up for failure later.

This is sad to say, But I'm kinda hoping she hermies, I want the seeds from this strain.


:stoned:

[spiked666killer]

:jointsmile:

32 days in flowering.
Isn't she a beauty?









All these pictures I found on google, God I love google.
If it wasnt for google, My cannabis.com role playing days would be over.

[bigtopsfinn]

They look nice and healthy from here :greenthumb:

[spiked666killer]

Havn't updated in awhile, Thought I should.
Almost done. :thumbsup:



Ps:Don't hate on the picture's, As I used a 5 mega pixel camera.


And, How does one go about deleting a thread these previously started, But doesn't want up anymore?

[JD1stTimer]

Looking nice, clear trichomes. Yum. A moderator should be able to delete that thread. I saw a question that didn't get answered about the lights.

"I have noticed The US and the UK CFL's vary in wattage usage and equivilence, eg. in the UK a 20watt (even an 18watt phillips brand) = 100watt output, for 150watt output, the bulbs are only 30watts.... strange???"

Okay, here's the math... if 20 watts gets you 100 watt output, then 30 watts, which is 20 watts plus 10 (half of 20) watts, gets you 100 watts plus 50 (half of 100) watts, which is 150 watts.The wattage to output ratio is the same for both cases.

Congratulations it's a girl. There's no need to ever rip out a plant unless it has a deadly transmissible diease or it's male. :)

[sparky954]

Okay so I just added two more bulbs,
I have 4 - 23 watt soft white Cfls.
Will that do good?
All I could find was soft white cfls for the money I had on me.

I'm not sure how good shes doing.
I dont want to give up on the plant.
But it isnt growing any taller that Iv'e noticed,
Anyways, I do however see new growth of leafs sence Ive changed the bulbs.
Maybe she will grow taller idk?

Im going to have to go outside and dig up some new soil soon.
Iv'e noticed some yellowing on the leafs, That could possibly be inbalaced Ph levels idk.

The timer I got isnt working to well, Should invested more than 5 dollares in a timer, It isnt to precises.

Also I got another seedling started, But it doesnt seam to be getting any bigger.

How ofton should I be watering these babys?
Any tips and help would be super.

Thanks so much.

Your fellow noob grower.
i think u r going at this too cheap. the plant needs ssome kind of nutrients. if u get dirt from the yard u r going to end up who knows what in your grow! bugs are in yard dirt! someone told u to get pro mix but if u use this u will need to feed the plants and if u feed u need at least a ph meter. just my thoughts