Obama's Boys take down 5 more dispensaries

[the image reaper]

hey, Kool-Aid drinkers ! :D , listening to Los Angeles radio this morning, five more L.A. dispensaries were taken down ... 'Change ?', not with a cabinet full of old Clinton re-treads ... :S3:

[Stigma420247]

wow...so they are actually startin to crack down on the weed dispensaries? i figured it was only a matter of time...hate to say it but most of the people i have met here in WA state that are connected to the "medical marijuana" dispensaries are a bunch of drug dealers...they are not in it for "medical" purposes at all...and i think MOST of these dispensaries in CA are much the same...i know a guy who works for a county in south CA that has a medical weed card...he told me most of the dispensaries are run by gangs...

[GrinKyle]

Last time I check, WA was like OR, and didnt have dispensaries. I thought they had patient, caregiver, grower... and sometimes there's a co-op, where 2-5 people make the same person their caregiver/grower and he grows for all of them.

But this sickens me also, Washington playing the same old game, to bring the same old pain.

[veggii]

well the problem is: corruption ! us true patients cant afford to buy any meds the gangs have jacked the prices up, and dont have any place to grow them, and noone is giving any to us , so the gangs have gone to the corrupt greedy doctors and gotten scripts and started up dispenciaries because they are the only ones with $$$ to startup and they run the california medical mariuana trade ! i would like to thank our state leaders as this was thier responsibility, too ensure the we have safe access I haven't had any meds in months! fuck them i got my doctor too up my dosage of oxycontin as thats all i can get. corruption greed capitalism at its finest:mad:

[Stigma420247]

yeah they have a co-op...i thought that was the same thing??

either way... that sucks...i cant believe people are being prescribed shit like OC over marijuana...i have seen so many peoples lives ruined because of OC's...

[apocolips31]

Different player, same game.

[killerweed420]

And this will also be the down side of any legalization. You'll always have the unethical and corrupt people looking to get rich quick. It is truely sad to see how greed seems to play such an important part of out society today.

[bobthenuker]

Washington...gangs...corruption...it's enough to make one sick...I saw some report yesterday on how Mexican drug cartels grow a lot of pot in Californian state parks, and Bush's drug czar referred to it as growing poison...all sad stuff. Stupid gangs, stupid politicians...who needs 'em I say.

[8182KSKUSH]

No! Uh Wait! This can't be, Obama was going to legalize, err.. uh decriminalize...err...um..wha...I mean "end the raids"....er uh wait...no I mean take it easy on MMJ...uh, no that's not it, what was it??? Oh yeah.

Give the ignorant lip service in the form of youtube clips, and a website where they could show everyone, that everyone loves weed. That's IT!:thumbsup:

But I am sure it just slipped his mind, as well as the democratically controlled congress that actually has the power to reschedule cannabis or even better, have it removed period. They are probably gonna get right to that.
Or better yet, maybe the only other person with that power will do it, you know our AG Mr. Holder. You know THE GUY OBAMMERS HAND PICKED!!! HE COULD HAVE CHOSEN ANYONE HE CHOSE HIM!

And as for the state of California and it's MMJ laws, that's working out just swell. Although the dispencaries are not in any way all run by gangs, there are some bad ones. Most of the folks that have taken the time to work within all city ordinances, obtain business licenses, sale permits, pay local, state, AND FEDERAL INCOME TAXES FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES, are pretty straight. Sadly they are the easy targets, where as most actual criminal enterprises will not operate in this manner, hence dispenceries opening after moratoriums ect...
Point is, there are bad people in every business, but in this one, they usually get away with it, because the DEA is too busy orgasming over how they busted legit clinics because they are lazy and it's much easier than going after people that don't follow the rules and make themselves low hanging pieces of fruit while operating in good faith.

As for Obammers, I know some of us here are not surprised in the least bit, and some maybe are I guess.
IF you are......
just go sit down and have a big glass of kool aid, after all, he's busy "saving....the worlds economy"...hardeeharhar.
And if you believe that...;)

[8182KSKUSH]

hey, Kool-Aid drinkers ! :D , listening to Los Angeles radio this morning, five more L.A. dispensaries were taken down ... 'Change ?', not with a cabinet full of old Clinton re-treads ... :S3:

Change? Change? Hello? MCfly? HE'S BLACK!!!! Duh. That's the change, that's it. Usually the president is white, hellooooooooooo.
Aside from that I don't see any change, so that has to be in fact the "Change" that he promised everyone, well congratulations, he came through, sure enough. Now for the first time we have a half black man with a muslim name in the white house pretending like cannabis is a scourge on our society and it's proponents need to live as 2nd class citizens, instead of some old white guy. Hip hip hooray.:S4::yippee::yippee:

[VapedG13]

As far as co-ops...they are just modern day bootleggers....If you feel you need MJ medically grow it yourself...dont rely on other individuals (co-ops) to feed your need.

You grow it yourself you know whats been done or added to it....I havent had to buy weed in years.


Did you really think things would change......Politicians will Piss on your leg and tell ya its raining

[the image reaper]

As far as co-ops...they are just modern day bootleggers....If you feel you need MJ medically grow it yourself...dont rely on other individuals (co-ops) to feed your need.

You grow it yourself you know whats been done or added to it....I havent had to buy weed in years.


Did you really think things would change......Politicians will Piss on your leg and tell ya its raining

Yup, you got it ... couldn't agree more ... :thumbsup:

[dragonrider]

I would have expected a guy named Holder to be a little more lenient.

"Hey, Holder, you holdin'?"

"Hell yeah, I'm holdin'. That's why they call me Holder, dumbass."

[Revanche21]

wow...so they are actually startin to crack down on the weed dispensaries? i figured it was only a matter of time...hate to say it but most of the people i have met here in WA state that are connected to the "medical marijuana" dispensaries are a bunch of drug dealers...they are not in it for "medical" purposes at all...and i think MOST of these dispensaries in CA are much the same...i know a guy who works for a county in south CA that has a medical weed card...he told me most of the dispensaries are run by gangs...

gangs = protection
police = protection

gray area politics = no protection

idk...

[the image reaper]

I would have expected a guy named Holder to be a little more lenient.

"Hey, Holder, you holdin'?"

"Hell yeah, I'm holdin'. That's why they call me Holder, dumbass."

:S2:

[8182KSKUSH]

I would have expected a guy named Holder to be a little more lenient.

"Hey, Holder, you holdin'?"

"Hell yeah, I'm holdin'. That's why they call me Holder, dumbass."


Yo man Holder is holdin' that bomb Obama!:jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

Yo man Holder is holdin' that bomb Obama!:jointsmile:


OOps, betcha that ends up on some homeland security radar!!! Chatter!:D

[luciddreamer]

LOL
Does anyone know if these dispensaries were the gang ones? Or were they legit?

[oldmac]

well the problem is: corruption ! us true patients cant afford to buy any meds the gangs have jacked the prices up, and dont have any place to grow them, and noone is giving any to us , so the gangs have gone to the corrupt greedy doctors and gotten scripts and started up dispenciaries because they are the only ones with $$$ to startup and they run the california medical mariuana trade ! i would like to thank our state leaders as this was thier responsibility, too ensure the we have safe access I haven't had any meds in months! fuck them i got my doctor too up my dosage of oxycontin as thats all i can get. corruption greed capitalism at its finest:mad:

Veggi;

First, sorry that things are still not better for you. Wish I lived closer to ya, I'd try to help you out.

Second, you have it right. Everything about the California model of "compassinate care" stinks. It is also making it difficult to advance the medical use agenda in other states. Just the other night on CNBC they where showing a news special called Marijanna, Inc. showing the problems in Mendicino Cnty stemming from it.

And my biggest pive is the prices at these "dispenseries"; street prices or HIGHER. Where the fuck is the compassion? How is a person suppose to afford it?

I live in a state that does not recognize medical use of MJ. I work with both a cancer group and a hospice to try and help people who are sick or dying. Many are older folks who have a hard time with the negative stigma associated with MJ and many would benifit from it. But if they can get over the stigma, now tell them what help will cost.....they will never even try it.

I provide MJ to patients for free. Mostly because I believe in it's use so much, but also should I ever have a legal problem, some DA is going to have a "rough row to hoe" in trying to convict (in front of a jury) an old man accused of giving giving away pot for free, to sick and dying people.

(BTW, I'm no saint I also sell some stuff commercially so that I can supplement by meger retirement income and not be a burden to my children or grand-children)

There must be a better way to have medical MJ then what is going on in Cal.
We all must work to try to get the goverment to understand that a man made government has no right to outlaw a God given plant!

[StickyfingahZ]

Different player, same game.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/rexstunnah/b50dvc.jpg

[8182KSKUSH]

^^^
I call bullshit!!!
Obama would not be wearing a flag pin.
Seesh!:D

[RamblerGambler]

"We hope these recent raids don't represent official administration policy and that Obama will order federal agencies in no uncertain terms to stop harassing medical marijuana patients and providers in California," he said.

White House spokesman Nick Shapiro on Wednesday reiterated Obama's stance that "federal resources should not be used to circumvent state laws."

"And as he continues to appoint senior leadership to fill out the ranks of the federal government, he expects them to review their policies with that in mind," Shapiro said.

Bill Piper of the Drug Policy Alliance in Washington said, "The DEA shouldn't need a memo from the White House to know that undermining the will of California voters is a waste of taxpayer money." Medical pot backers say L.A. raids betray Obama vow | Reuters (http://uk.reuters.com/article/healthNewsMolt/idUKTRE5140GO20090205?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0)

[8182KSKUSH]

Medical pot backers say L.A. raids betray Obama vow | Reuters (http://uk.reuters.com/article/healthNewsMolt/idUKTRE5140GO20090205?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0)

LOL!

Pullen said, "There has been no direction as to a change in how we ... enforce federal law." The DEA is a Justice Department agency.

That's classic!
If you read it, where the ... is, close your eyes, and picture her saying it,
"There has been no direction as to a "change" in how we...(says, "uh, huum, hmmmmm," as she holds back a case of the giggles, and through a ear to ear grin goes on to finish with) enforce federal law."

I am still waiting for someone anyone to explain specifically, exactly what Obama was going to do to end the raids, short of declaring himself supreme ruler of the Universe and relocating to a mountain stronghold deep in a volcano with lots of stainless steel everywhere. Shiny.:D:jointsmile:
What the fuck was he going to ever do! LOL, c'mon now really folks.....;)

So far he is living up to my expectations, I for one won't be calling him out on anything with regard to his position, I had a translater in my head, the government put a chip in me! HA HA HA From what I can tell he is doing exactly what I thought he would do. Can't figure out why anyone would be "confused" or questioning his position on the issue, I thought that he made it crystal clear, clear as mud for some maybe, but like I said I got a chip in my head!:stoned::D:jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

"We hope these recent raids don't represent official administration policy and that Obama will order federal agencies in no uncertain terms to stop harassing medical marijuana patients and providers in California," he said.

White House spokesman Nick Shapiro on Wednesday reiterated Obama's stance that "federal resources should not be used to circumvent state laws."

"And as he continues to appoint senior leadership to fill out the ranks of the federal government, he expects them to review their policies with that in mind," Shapiro said.

Bill Piper of the Drug Policy Alliance in Washington said, "The DEA shouldn't need a memo from the White House to know that undermining the will of California voters is a waste of taxpayer money."Medical pot backers say L.A. raids betray Obama vow | Reuters


I wanted to translate this for fun.

White House spokesman Nick Shapiro on Wednesday reiterated Obama's stance that "federal resources should not be used to circumvent state laws."

(Means exactly what it says, not a whole lot. Depends on what the definition of is is. Depends what you mean by circumventing state laws.)

"And as he continues to appoint senior leadership to fill out the ranks of the federal government, he expects them to review their policies with that in mind," Shapiro said.

(This is called lip service, to appease a fringe group in his party. They are going to review, REVIEW, "REVIEW" the policies with what in mind? Oh yeah, don't circumvent state laws. Right. I am sure our democratic big government congress and senate will really help hold his feet to the fire on that too! GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE WITH THAT SHIT! LMFAO!!!)

Bill Piper of the Drug Policy Alliance in Washington said, "The DEA shouldn't need a memo from the White House to know that undermining the will of California voters is a waste of taxpayer money."Medical pot backers say L.A. raids betray Obama vow | Reuters

Nothing that this guy says matters anymore than anything you or I say, he is just a guy, he does not determine or influence federal policy. They might as well got fucking Rusty Trichome to give a statement, no offense Rusty, just trying to point out that this is just a normal guy like you or I. Er uh I guess.:D:jointsmile:

The jist of it.
Expect nothing, cause that is what we are getting for the foreseeable (sp) future.
You never know though,
maybe,
if you "hope" hard enough......:thumbsup:

[Markass]

People should know by now that if it comes out of a politicians mouth, and sounds too good to be true, it's bullshit. Obama knew just what to say to get gullible people to vote for him, and that they did.

[thefrenchman]

It was still fun to hope for a little while...

[luciddreamer]

Cummon guys, he's only been in for two weeks. For a US government to say something like that is kinda awesome. Look on the bright side of life fellow tokers! :rastasmoke:

[lunarose]

While I don't think all our dispensaries are run by gangs and some of them are run by some nice people they are still all run as a for profit business and maybe their prices are so high because they need to worry about legal fees and losing meds and operating hours to these raid.

[FeedmeWeed]

People should know by now that if it comes out of a politicians mouth, and sounds too good to be true, it's bullshit. Obama knew just what to say to get gullible people to vote for him, and that they did.

oh come on. The dude just took office- I think he has a few bigger fish to fry.... such as... you know....the economy going to hell... and 2 wars across the god damn globe.

It took the government weeks to get fresh water to the people DYING in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, I think its going to take a while to get the ball rolling here folks. stop being so impatient

[Markass]

oh come on. The dude just took office- I think he has a few bigger fish to fry.... such as... you know....the economy going to hell... and 2 wars across the god damn globe.

It took the government weeks to get fresh water to the people DYING in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, I think its going to take a while to get the ball rolling here folks. stop being so impatient

LOL, yeah, suchas, the economy. We're going to pass a bill full of massive spending and tax cuts to fix our economy. The guy's a flipping idiot. You can't put gasoline on a fire and expect it to go out. Unless his administration cuts spending, (which they wont) our problems are only going to get much worse. And using your logic, until he "fixes" the economy he's going to continue to let the DEA do their thing. So the next four to ten or fifteen years the raids will continue :thumbsup:

[dragonrider]

I think it is a little early to say for sure what Obama's policy will be. He has said he doesn't want to waste federal money overriding the policies of individul states, but since that is definitely a shift in policy, it will take some time to implement.

It may well be that these raids were an attempt by some element of the DEA that disagrees with the new policy to get in a parting shot or force an issue before the new policy is introduced. Or it could just be a timing thing with long term operations that were already under way for some time. I would not read too much into it unless the trend continues. It takes awhile for new policy to get set, communicated and implemented throughout a bureaucracy.

[MaryJaneMonkey]

For once, i wish that a dispensary owner would use some of their other ammendments and arm themselves. 6 masked men coming into my shop, I though I was being robbed, I was on my prescribed xanax and did not notice the little dea on their jackets, had my beer, and shot those evil doers dead. Just once, just for once get the govnt scared of the people, the way the Dec of Indep inteded it to be.

Somewhat out of line, I guess, but Im a Marine fed up with prescription drugs being marketed within 100 ft of a school zone on television on all hours of the night, and then you go raid someone for some plants?!?

When the hell is the dea gonna kick down the doors of pfizer???
When are the US citizens going to knock down the doors of the DEA???

Well, we can all dream.

[8182KSKUSH]

I think it is a little early to say for sure what Obama's policy will be. He has said he doesn't want to waste federal money overriding the policies of individul states, but since that is definitely a shift in policy, it will take some time to implement.

It may well be that these raids were an attempt by some element of the DEA that disagrees with the new policy to get in a parting shot or force an issue before the new policy is introduced. Or it could just be a timing thing with long term operations that were already under way for some time. I would not read too much into it unless the trend continues. It takes awhile for new policy to get set, communicated and implemented throughout a bureaucracy.

LOL LOL
Oh you are so funny dragonrider!:D
Little optomistic don't you think?:jointsmile:

[dragonrider]

LOL LOL
Oh you are so funny dragonrider!:D
Little optomistic don't you think?:jointsmile:

Honestly, I have no idea what to expect. There was a news item about these raids on the radio the other day, but I missed the very first part that introduce an intersting clip, so I wasn't sure if the clip was BEFORE the election or AFTER in response to this raid. Anyway, the spokesperson was reiterating the idea that Obama does not want to use federal resources to overide the will of a state's voters. So if it was in response to the raid, then I would say there is reason for optimism. If it was from the campaign, then we'll just have to see if the campaign promise is kept or not, and you know how that goes.

And one thing is for sure, no one ever promised or suggested legalization --- the best you could hope for at this point is the feds backing off in states with medical laws.

We'll see what happens, but for now I think it is early to say, "Obama's Boys take down 5 more dispensaries." I doubt these raids were ordered from the top.

[RamblerGambler]

The press conference happened after the raids. It seems the DEA didn't even alert the LAPD about their intentions until after the fact... a fact that I'd say seems to indicate that the Obama administration didn't sic the DEA on the dispensaries. dragonrider, check out another thread on this - http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/167796-white-house-pushes-back-against-dea.html

[dragonrider]

The press conference happened after the raids. It seems the DEA didn't even alert the LAPD about their intentions until after the fact... a fact that I'd say seems to indicate that the Obama administration didn't sic the DEA on the dispensaries. dragonrider, check out another thread on this - http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/167796-white-house-pushes-back-against-dea.html


Thanks. That is sort of what I thought, but I wasn't sure, because I missed the intro. In this case, it seems like the administration is probably serious, otherwise they would never have gone out on limb to speak out about this issue. It will be interesting to see what comes of it.

[smok3y]

Change? Change? Hello? MCfly? HE'S BLACK!!!! Duh. That's the change, that's it. Usually the president is white, hellooooooooooo.
Aside from that I don't see any change, so that has to be in fact the "Change" that he promised everyone, well congratulations, he came through, sure enough. Now for the first time we have a half black man with a muslim name in the white house pretending like cannabis is a scourge on our society and it's proponents need to live as 2nd class citizens, instead of some old white guy. Hip hip hooray.:S4::yippee::yippee:

Wtf has his colour of skin or name have to do with anything!? :mad:

[VapedG13]

Those arent Obama's boys taken down the dispensaries....those are people Bush appointed.

[8182KSKUSH]

Wtf has his colour of skin or name have to do with anything!? :mad:

read the post knucklehead! his skin color and muslim name are the only CHANGE that I can see as compared to any other president.

[the image reaper]

Those arent Obama's boys taken down the dispensaries....those are people Bush appointed.

if I buy a restaurant, the first thing I do, is replace the cook :jointsmile:

[allrollsin21]

IF Obama is not going to change anything except the color of the presidents skin, then why the hell did so many Bush supporters vote for McCain? If everything is going to stay the same, isn't that a good thing for all you Obama haters? ahh the irony.
People cannot be held accountable for what they say regarding politics...its way to silly:jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

IF Obama is not going to change anything except the color of the presidents skin, then why the hell did so many Bush supporters vote for McCain?




Sorry, I thought we had been speaking in the context of cannabis alone as the political topic of this thread as it relates to the current Obama administration. I don't understand what voting for McCain has to do with anything in this thread actually? So what does it have to do with anything? As far as I know, most "Bush supporters" that voted for McCain, did so because of pretty basic broad fundamental disagreement with the core liberal ideology. NOt because of "hope for change that McCain would change federal cannabis law?":wtf: Again still unsure how your statement/question is relevant but I am willing to listen. Honestly though, I don't even understand how the two statements are even related to each other, let alone what you are asking?




If everything is going to stay the same, isn't that a good thing for all you Obama haters? ahh the irony.

Well, I know that the federal pov on cannabis is going to stay the same, that's what I believe. I don't understand how that is a good thing for anyone for or opposed to Obama? Can you maybe translate your question or something? I don't think anyone said "everything" is going to stay the same no matter whom wins, but please if that is your claim, then prove it, post it. If it's not, then clarify for me what you are trying to ask or say. If you are just trying to flame the thread because hearing criticism of Obama makes you twitch and shit, then just go the fuck away, come back when you can make an on topic post eh?:D
It sounds like, you read some posts, and got in a tussy because some folks are pointing out some major issues with regard to how the current administration is handling cannabis. And since you can't defend your position of ankle grabbing for Obama and Change and Hope, and you can't stand to hear the heretical statements about him, you just made an off topic post attacking anyone that voted for McCain for some reason. As if them voting for McCain affects how Obama is now not doing/nor has any intention to do anything about cannabis which is specifically what we are all discussing here. Almost as if you are trying to bash anyone that may be critical of Obama. I hope that's not what you are doing. (BTW, funny assumption that anyone being critical in this thread of Obama, "must have been a "McCain supporter".)
At least that is what it sounds like to me but maybe I just read it wrong.
So if wanna start a whole new thread, about sum total, overall political opinions then yeah there would be a stark difference between the 2. As for change with the "big picture", then no, he isn't anything new. Same hard line liberal policy positions. Maybe people that voted for McCain voted on important issues, most McCain voters realize that he offered no "Change" w/regard to cannabis, but then again he was honest about his position on the subject. So yeah, no change their, Obama, tried to float the belief out there without ever really taking a hard position that he would "change" things, and many many many many many people here believed/and still do that he will bring change with regard to cannabis.



People cannot be held accountable for what they say regarding
politics...its way to silly:jointsmile:

Apparently.:thumbsup:

So let's recap



IF Obama is not going to change anything except the color of the presidents skin, then why the hell did so many Bush supporters vote for McCain? If everything is going to stay the same, isn't that a good thing for all you Obama haters? ahh the irony.
People cannot be held accountable for what they say regarding politics...its way to silly:jointsmile:

You made 3 statements, none are relevant to the topic as far as I can tell, and it basically looks like you are just tossing in some negative comments aimed at anyone that may say anything critical of "The Chosen ONe", becausae it almost makes your head explode to hear anyone doubt, question, or criticize "The Messiah."
So I know my reply looks long, but if you really read it, there are just a couple of direct questions that I would like to know from you with regard to your original post. I suspect they will go un-answered and you will likely make another post along the same lines of your previously mentioned one. That's fine.
But seriously..
Get off his dick man! LOL:jointsmile:

[allrollsin21]

Change? Change? Hello? MCfly? HE'S BLACK!!!! Duh. . Now for the first time we have a half black man with a muslim name inThat's the change, that's it. Usually the president is white, hellooooooooooo.
Aside from that I don't see any change, so that has to be in fact the "Change" that he promised everyone, well congratulations, he came through, sure enough the white house pretending like cannabis is a scourge on our society and it's proponents need to live as 2nd class citizens, instead of some old white guy. Hip hip hooray.:S4::yippee::yippee:

I apologize for causing so much anger in your response to my post. The above is what i was referring to.

[8182KSKUSH]

I apologize for causing so much anger in your response to my post. The above is what i was referring to.


Make no mistake, far from angry, don't confuse being specific with anger! No apology needed. Tone is pretty difficult to translate on line. But really, you were referring to that post. OK.

I still have the same question with your post. What is your point? I said he is half black and has muslim name, and from what I can tell, that's the sum total of the "change" as compared to any other liberal candidate. Maybe no one has noticed, it is in fact the only change to speak of. Is it wrong to point that out? It's a matter of fact. Aside from those 2 points, he is no different than any other white male democrat that has held the office prior. That was my point. Doesn't bother me if you disagree. Just wanted to know exactly what you were trying to say in your post, the 3 brief statements were not really coherently related to each other or the topic. Sorry, just asking. :wtf: I don't want to start a flame war or anything, just wondering WTF you were trying to say or ask so I could answer you, but I guess I know now the motivations behind the post now.:jointsmile::thumbsup::D

[allrollsin21]

that's the sum total of the "change" as compared to any other liberal candidate. Maybe no one has noticed, it is in fact the only change to speak of. Is it wrong to point that out? It's a matter of fact. Aside from those 2 points, he is no different than any other white male democrat that has held the office prior. That was my point. Doesn't bother me if you disagree. Just wanted to know exactly what you were trying to say in your post, the 3 brief statements were not really coherently related to each other or the topic. Sorry, just asking. :wtf: I don't want to start a flame war or anything, just wondering WTF you were trying to say or ask so I could answer you, but I guess I know now the motivations behind the post now.:jointsmile::thumbsup::D

"half black man with a muslim name inThat's the change, that's it. "

First is the above statement, then is the bold statement. You speak in black and white when its not that simple. The only change to speak of? Clearly you are don't pay attention to Environmental issues. Obama has made quite a few changes in that area. Increased protections. To some that is important to others it is not. If you are going to say "Thats the change, thats it" with strong language, and a bunch of WTF's dont expect everyone to be intimidated and not call you on your inaccuracy.
I guess i should have assumed that you were saying there is no difference between Obama and any other candidate? I was just responding to what you wrote. Word for word.
I am sure i wont be missed in these political discussions, and i am sure not going to miss them. peas

[8182KSKUSH]

Whoope.
How are his environmental, or other "changes" any different than any other old white liberal male politician? They aren't.
More specifically though,
I was speaking of "change" in the context of the federal governments pov on cannabis, which is what this thread is about.
I think it would be great if you wanted to make a thread about how Obama is somehow magical and totally new and different in his other policy positions lmao! None of his ideas, or policies seem to be anything new from left field America. Exactly what is he going to do that is so vastly different from any other liberal that would be president? Answer nothing!
So yeah, as it relates to this very topic, the raids by the DEA, there will not be any change, aside from the fact that a half black man with a muslim name is in charge instead of some old wrinkled white guy. That's what the "change" amounts to in my opinion so far as the new administrations take on cannabis, which I believe I shouted from the hill tops prior to the election. BUt yeah, if you wanna talk more broadly in terms of other political issues, then great, make the thread, I will be there and you can convince me how "unique, different, and vastly different" Obamas views are from any other would be bed wetter that would be president!:D They aren't, so again, the only real change would be the fact the leftist happens to be half black and has a muslim name, take that away and he is no different than any other liberal politician.
Unless I missed something.:thumbsup:

Allrolls, think you could take a stab at one of my original questions related to your original post, I am all ears.

Again still unsure how your statement/question is relevant but I am willing to listen. Honestly though, I don't even understand how the two statements are even related to each other, let alone what you are asking?

When you said this:

"IF Obama is not going to change anything except the color of the presidents skin, then why the hell did so many Bush supporters vote for McCain? If everything is going to stay the same, isn't that a good thing for all you Obama haters? ahh the irony."


Still kinda wondering, you do realize we are talking about the federal gov conducting raids and how the current administration is handling,(or not), that's pretty much it. Please understand that the original post you are occupied with, was made in the context of that discussion. I was just wondering if you were going to continue to make this thread about anything other than the topic, or if you could add something to it that is relevant. Still kinda seems like you don't see the focus of the discussion.:jointsmile:

That's cool though, just make a whole new thread about what you want to talk about, whatever the fuck it is lol, and I will be there!

In the mean time, what do you think of the federal raids continuing under an AG that thinks individual cannabis users and pan handlers should all be locked up? Eh?:D
You know Obama hand picked him right eh?
LMFAO
OH, and nevermind that all the insinuations that Obama was going to change anything regarding the federal position on cannabis is completely laughable anyway, but he played it out because many folks don't even no any better and don't really understand that the president is not "King" and only has certain limited powers, of which DO NOT INCLUDE SNAPPING HIS FINGERS AND MAKING THE DEA NOT ENFORCE FEDERAL LAW.
I say again.
HELLLLLOOOOOOOO! MCFLYYYYYYYYY!:S2:
I understand why you may not want to talk about this, if you are an Obamaniac! Must be alot to take in LMFAO!:S2::thumbsup:

So when is Obama going to end the federal raids LOL!
Keep "Hoping" in one hand, I'll shit in your other, we'll see which one fills up first.:D
Change!
HOpe!
HOpe for Change!
:thumbsup::D

Really though, I really feel sorry for anyone that voted for Obama for the sole reason that they believe he, "The KING!" Would end federal raids and or legalize weed.
Must be hard to get dressed in the morning when your that duh duh da daa!:D

[allrollsin21]

wow i realy feel sorry for you. It sounds as if you actually believe there is some drastic difference between dems and repubs...ok sorry i need to answer your questions.

I responded to YOUR first post in this discussion. That makes it on topic. If you make a statement, it is then part of the discussion. Understand?
What is going to do different? You are a hater for even asking that. How the hell does anyone know, he has been president for a month, and dealing with our joke of an economy. I am sure that you will be as correct as you were when you shouted from the treetops that, "Obama will never be president". Wow you are a truthsayer.
I feel sorry for anyone who voted on the medicinal cannabis policy in this country. Such a small piece of the pie. I believe he will address this issue at some point, and you will be wrong again.
So i'll say it again you so you dont pop anymore blood vessels, i was responding to your first post. I explained what. The world is grey, not black and white.
ps. Ron Paul for King of the USA!

[8182KSKUSH]

I responded to YOUR first post in this discussion. That makes it on topic. If you make a statement, it is then part of the discussion. Understand?


Oh, yeah guess I "understand". So no matter the context of the conversation, as long as I put a previous post in quotes, I can then make any reply I want no matter how un-related to the topic of the post?
Just because you "respond" to a post, doesn't mean that your response is on topic, related to the discussion, or relevant. Here's an example of what I am saying.
Here we have a thread about Obama's administration maintaining the status quo as far as federal raids go, in the thread are many posts discussing whether he will or won't "Change" things.
In 1 post I say this,


Change? Change? Hello? MCfly? HE'S BLACK!!!! Duh. That's the change, that's it. Usually the president is white, hellooooooooooo.
Aside from that I don't see any change, so that has to be in fact the "Change" that he promised everyone, well congratulations, he came through, sure enough. Now for the first time we have a half black man with a muslim name in the white house pretending like cannabis is a scourge on our society and it's proponents need to live as 2nd class citizens, instead of some old white guy. Hip hip hooray.

As you can see, this post is directly related to the conversation.
Your reply?

IF Obama is not going to change anything except the color of the presidents skin, then why the hell did so many Bush supporters vote for McCain? If everything is going to stay the same, isn't that a good thing for all you Obama haters? ahh the irony.
People cannot be held accountable for what they say regarding politics...its way to silly

Your reply was not relevant or on topic just because you put it in the thread. Understand?:thumbsup:



I responded to YOUR first post in this discussion. That makes it on topic. If you make a statement, it is then part of the discussion. Understand?

Yeah technically it is "part of the discussion" but it is not on topic, at all. Understand?:D

So outta 4 posts in the thread you managed to make 1 on topic statement.


"I feel sorry for anyone who voted on the medicinal cannabis policy in this country. Such a small piece of the pie. I believe he will address this issue at some point, and you will be wrong again.

Bravo! Applause!!!! Good for you. Thank you. Although I disagree with you, I am happy to see you could at least muster up 1 coherent relevant thought related to this "discussion"! LOL
As for the rest of your posts, maybe you should make a new thread titled, "I hate discussing politics w/ anyone that won't allow me to sidetrack the conversation when I disagree with them as opposed to mustering up a legit back and forth debate, it's easier to try to bait people into a mild flame war!"
LMAO
Might be kind of a long title.
Feel free to continue making irrelevant posts directed more at me than the topic of conversation, but don't expect me to respond anymore, unless you change your mind and decide to make on topic posts instead of just posting shit and saying it's part of the discussion now, regardless of the content of the post.
Understand!:thumbsup:

PS, Never fear, I am sure that Obama will have me and those that are like minded, locked up in a civillian detainment camp soon enough, so eventually you will only hear the opinions that you agree with! LOL:jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

p.S.

I am not angry! More like amused. I know my avatar "looks" angry! LOL:D

[SmokiNomad]

oh come on. The dude just took office- I think he has a few bigger fish to fry.... such as... you know....the economy going to hell... and 2 wars across the god damn globe.

It took the government weeks to get fresh water to the people DYING in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, I think its going to take a while to get the ball rolling here folks. stop being so impatient

Re-legalization would be one of the best things for the economy. Think of the money we'd make as a country, and as individuals. We'd also save a lot of money, because we'd not be afraid to grow our own. Imagine all the money we'd save on using biodiesel and ethanol from hemp, and powering all our diesel electricity plants with hemp biodiesel. Imagine all the biodegradable plastic companies that would spring up!

Imagine all the paper companies selling hemp paper to the world instead of wood paper! Everyone wants to be "green".

We can solve so many of the planet's problems by simply re-legalizing hemp.