Michael Phelps, Hypocrisy, & American Drug Policy

[DdC222]

Big Bong Theory By Sally Jenkins
CN Source: Washington Post February 03, 2009 Washington, DC
So Michael Phelps dove headfirst into the bong water. Is anyone really surprised, after all those laps? There has always been something submerged and escapist about the world's greatest swimmer. When presented with a chamber containing a hazy translucent liquid, he did what's become second nature to him. He buried his face in it. I'm just sorry I wasn't at that University of South Carolina house party to witness Squid Boy's binge firsthand -- not that I would ever make such a staggering misstep myself. continued... (http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread24457.shtml)

dove headfirst into the bong water

to witness Squid Boy's binge

"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana
is its effect on the degenerate races."
- Harry J. Anslinger - America's 1st Drug Czar (FDR - JFK)

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Does Embattled Phelps Deserve a Break?
CN Source: Associated Press February 03, 2009 New York
A young man appears to be smoking pot at a party. Big deal, right? Our new president has freely admitted doing just that in his youth - inhaling, too - and it didn't derail him one bit. So should we expect more of Michael Phelps? It depends on what we want and expect our youthful role models to be: perfect, or flawed like the rest of us. And so as the Olympic swimmer's many corporate sponsors were wrestling with their options Monday, a day after an embarrassing photo emerged of the decorated athlete appearing to inhale from a bong, some were looking at the bright side. continued... (http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread24456.shtml)

Deserve a Break? Embattled? 8 Gold Medals...

Olympic swimmer's many corporate sponsors...

"Casual drug users should be taken out and shot."
- Daryl DARE Gates - Former LAPD Chief

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Michael Phelps, Hypocrisy, & American Drug Policy By John V. Santore
CN Source: Huffington Post February 02, 2009 USA
Olympic gold medalist Michael Phelps was recently photographed using a marijuana bong at the home of a friend. The photographic evidence made a denial impossible, which led to release of the following statement today... full story (http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread24455.shtml)

"In a republic like ours, people often think that the proper response to an unjust law is to try to use the political process to change the law, but to obey and respect the law until it is changed. But if the law is itself clearly unjust, and the lawmaking process is not designed to quickly obliterate such unjust laws, then the law deserves no respect â?? break the law." - Henry David Thoreau

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"I engaged in behavior which was regrettable and demonstrated bad judgment. I'm 23 years old and despite the successes I've had in the pool, I acted in a youthful and inappropriate way, not in a manner people have come to expect from me. For this, I am sorry. I promise my fans and the public it will not happen again."

"Republic . . .
it means people can live free, talk free, go or come,
buy or sell, be drunk or sober, however they choose."
-- John Wayne

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Facebook: Michael Phelps's Notes (http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=63288166250&ref=mf)

Michael you owe NO ONE an apology.
Especially the Hypocrites and Apologists.
You did not make a mistake. You toked a bong.
The entire Cannabis prohibition is the result of a lie.
The legal alternatives are far more de-habilitating.
Have the courage of your convictions.

The only time you owe anything is in the pool.
Off the clock means you are an American
with a Constitution guaranteeing your Free Speech.
Too bad Wall Street and Madison Avenue run on Fascism.

Many wise people have used cannabis for many reasons over the centuries. It reduces stress, unlike booze that inebriates into a comatose state. The smoke is an expectorant that helps open small airways and keep dangerous SMOG and pollutants from causing lung damage and cancer.

When a government outlaws research and hides past studies from the people, and even the schools. When they give away the Treasury and make wars behind our backs. Especially war on some citizens over certain drugs and plants. It is high time the people stood up and just said no.

Appeasing liars perpetuating cannabis prohibition is not good for the 3000 kids sodomized in juvi prison. Or the thousands of kids getting chemically poisoned from pesticides sprayed in drug war zones and farm lands. Not used on Hemp that is lumped into the mix. Non psychoactive narcotic burlap, blue jeans and a nutritional source of Omega 3 in its seed.

Now making up 98% of the nations "marijuana" eradication program. Protecting the kids with more fraud? Saving them from stronger fiber than trees produce? Can't tell a jury your doctor said try it cause the judge says it ain't medicine. In spite of the 300 joints Uncle Sam rolls each month for the remaining IND patients.

NO-ConPromise! (http://preview.tinyurl.com/NO-ConPromise)
Be well,
DdC

Celebrity Stoners: American High Society (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3406#3406)

NFL Buzzkill (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1013)

"Insanity [is] ...
Continuing to do the same things and expecting different results."
-- Albert Einstein

We are calling for a World Wide BOYCOTT,
of any and all companies dropping ads
on the grounds of enough hypocrisy!

Should Michael Phelps apologize for being photographed with a bong?
Craig Ferguson thinks not.

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CBS Vid The Late Late Show - 02/02/09 (http://www.cbs.com/late_late_show/video/video.php?cid=1015767262&pid=nLWybCU6KEDNSxlyvKreWRPBuTaeZ7lL&play=true&cc=3)
The Whole Michael Phelps Controversy

[DdC222]

What Michael Phelps Should Have Said
Radley Balko | February 2, 2009

Smoking pot shouldn't be a crime.
Or the public's business.

Dear America,

I take it back. I donâ??t apologize.

Because you know what? Itâ??s none of your goddamned business. I work my ass off 10 months a year. Itâ??s that hard work that gave you all those gooey feelings of patriotism last summer. If during my brief window of down time I want to relax, enjoy myself, and partake of a substance thatâ??s a hell of a lot less bad for me than alcohol, tobacco, or, frankly, most of the prescription drugs most of you are taking, well, you can spare me the lecture. continued... (http://www.reason.com/news/show/131438.html)

"In any civilized society,
it is every citizen's responsibility to obey just laws.
But at the same time,
it is every citizen's responsibility to disobey unjust laws."
-- Martin Luther King Jr.

SC sheriff investigating Phelps' pot pipe photo,
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP)

considers marijuana charge

Olympic superstar Michael Phelps could face criminal charges as part of the fallout from a photo that surfaced showing the swimmer smoking from a marijuana pipe at a University of South Carolina house party.

A spokesman for Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott, who is known for his tough stance on drugs, said Tuesday the department was investigating.

"Our narcotics division is reviewing the information that we have, and they're investigating what charges, if any, will be filed," said Lt. Chris Cowan, a spokesman for agency. continued... (http://www.centredaily.com/news/nation/story/1095384.html)

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Michael Phelps, Hypocrisy, & American Drug Policy (http://tinyurl.com/Phelps-American-Hypocrisy) (thread)

Hypocrites and their Apologists... tsk tsk (http://www.yahooka.com/forum/politics-current-affairs/145786-hypocrites-their-apologists-tsk-tsk.html)

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No Extradition for the BC3! (http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=45&page=1)

[luciddreamer]

Jill Porter: Phelps a toke-ing of pot legalizers' affection | Philadelphia Daily News | 02/04/2009 (http://www.philly.com/dailynews/columnists/jill_porter/20090204_Jill_Porter__Phelps_a_toke-ing_of_pot_legalizers__affection.html?submit=Vote&38996107=Y&oid=3&mr=1&cid=8500281&pid=38996107)

Anyone know Phelps' address? I want to write to him.

[DdC222]

Kellogg to drop Phelps over pot smoking photo
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - Cereal and snack maker Kellogg Co. said it won't renew its sponsorhip contract with Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps because of a photo that showed him inhaling from a marijuana pipe.

The Battle Creek, Mich.-based company said Thursday that Phelps's behavior â?? caught on camera and published Sunday in a British tabloid â?? is "not consistent with the image of Kellogg."

The company put Phelps on boxes of its Frosted Flakes and Corn Flakes.

Phelps has kept the backing of many sponsors since the photo surfaced from a November house party at the University of South Carolina.

Phelps's agent was not immediately available to comment.

Kellogg says its contract with Phelps expires at the end of the month.

Top travel destinations for Michael Phelps and other marijuana smokers (http://marijuananews.com/blog/general-news/top-travel-destinations-for-michael-phelps-and-other-marijuana-smokers/)
Posted by The Marijuana News Staff on February 5th, 2009

Divide and Maintain Dysfunction. (http://rcs.salon.com/rcsComments/comments?u=2762&p=3278&link=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.salon.com%2F0002762%2F2009 %2F02%2F04.html%23a3278#a323674)

Michael Phelps - the good stuff (http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/2009/02/04.html#a3276)
DWR: Pete Guither 2.4.9

Yes, there have been a lot of ridiculous columns by entertainment and sports journalists about how Michale Phelps "shames us all" for his horrible action in taking a bong hit, but it's been entertaining to me to read the comments to most of these articles and see the journalists being torn a new one by the public.

Some of them have been quite astonished that their readers weren't supporting them in their ritual condemnation of Phelps. Hilarious.

Here's a couple of delightful instances where the writers got it right.

Andrew Stuttaford at National Review (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDc0MzBiOWZkZDRkODc5YTU4NmM3ZTVhOGU1NTA2MjM=) Online's the corner

Look, I don't blame Michael Phelps for apologizing. He has a living to earn, so he did what he had to do.

In the meantime, I merely note that this broken wreck of a man's failure to win any more than a pathetic fourteen Olympic gold medals (so far) is a terrifying warning of the horrific damage that cannabis can do to someone's health--and a powerful reminder of just how sensible the drug laws really are.

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And then, a clear must-read is Kathleen Parker in today's Washington Post: Phelps Takes a Hit (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/03/AR2009020302645.html)

She's on fire:

And the law is the law. Therein lies the problem.

Our marijuana laws have been ludicrous for as long as we've been alive. Almost half of us (42 percent) have tried marijuana at least once, according to a report published last year in PLoS Medicine, a journal of the Public Library of Science.

The U.S., in fact, boasts the highest percentage of pot smokers among 17 nations surveyed, including The Netherlands, where cannabis clouds waft from coffeehouse windows. [...]

Other better-known former tokers include our current president and a couple of previous ones, as well as a Supreme Court justice, to name just a few. A complete list would require the slaughter of several mature forests. [...]

One recent ad produced by the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy says: "Hey, not trying to be your mom, but there aren't many jobs out there for potheads." Whoa, dude, except maybe, like, president of the United States.

Once a kid realizes that pot doesn't make him insane -- or likely to become a burrito taster, as the ad further asserts -- he might figure other drug information is equally false.

Thanks, Michael, for jump-starting a national conversation by taking a hit on a bong.

If it were only that easy for the rest of us...

Update: Joe Klein at Time Magazine jumps in: Legalize it, already (http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/02/04/legalize-it-already/)

Kathleen Parker has the precisely correct reaction to the Michael Phelps flap. Marijuana should be legalized and taxed. It's costing the society way too much in terms of law enforcement and hypocrisy.

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Monday, February 2, 2009
Updates: Cheye Calvo and Michael Phelps (http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/2009/02/02.html#a3272)

Olympic Champion Michael Phelps Caught With Marijuana Pipe
Phelps, who vaulted to international stardom during the 2008 Summer Olympics by winning a record eight gold medals in swimming, has been caught in a very compromising position, according to a report by the British paper News of the World. full story (http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/news/olympic-champion-michael-phelps-caught-with-marijuana-pipe)

Marijuana Wars In The Workplace (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n128/a02.html?1042)
US OR: Edu: Fox, Lauren Oregon Daily Emerald 03 Feb 2009

Richland Sheriff Could Charge Phelps (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n128/a04.html?1042)
US SC: Beam, Adam The State 03 Feb 2009

The United States Is Mired In Adolescent Behaviour (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n128/a09.html?102)
CN BC: Editorial: Vancouver Sun 04 Feb 2009

Phelps, Pot And Consequences (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n127/a09.html?102)
Editorial: Dallas Morning News 03 Feb 2009

So, Phelps Is Human (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n127/a01.html?102)
CN ON: Editorial: Ottawa Citizen 04 Feb 2009

Michael Phelps' Public Stoning (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n127/a03.html?102)
US CO: Harsanyi, David Denver Post 03 Feb 2009

DEA Chief: Winners Occasionally Use Drugs (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30072)
September 9, 1997 | Issue 32â?¢06 WASHINGTON, DC
In a surprise announcement with wide-ranging implications for U.S. narcotics policy, Drug Enforcement Administration director Thomas Constantine acknowledged Monday that some winners "may occasionally" use drugs.

Phelps unites pot smokers By David Edwards
CNNâ??s Jeanne Moos reported that the photo of Michael Phelps smoking a bong has united pot smokers on the internet.
This video is from CNNâ??s American Morning (http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=2879), broadcast Feb. 4, 2009.

Former Olympian defends Phelps for bong use (http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=2876)

Smoking pot with Michael Phelps? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppptolZvjSQ)

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72% want Obama to end DEA raids (http://rcs.salon.com/rcsComments/comments?u=2762&p=3278&link=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.salon.com%2F0002762%2F2009 %2F02%2F04.html%23a3278)
DWR: Pete Guither 2.4.9

According to a California NORML press release:

While the DEA continues to stage medical marijuana raids in California, nearly three-quarters of voters think President Obama should honor his campaign pledge to end the raids, according to a poll of 1,053 likely voters by Zogby International.

In a question sponsored by NORML, voters were asked: During the presidential campaign, Barack Obama said he would stop federal raids against medical marijuana providers in the 13 states where medical marijuana has become legal. Should President Obama keep his word to end such raids?

Response:

* Yes - 72%
* No - 21%
* Not sure - 7%.

Yes votes outnumbered No by over 2 to 1 in all geographic, political, and demographic groups. The poll, conducted Jan 29-31, had a margin error of +/-3.1%.

The question is, of course, designed to encourage a "Yes" vote (that's not unusual in commissioned polls), but it's still an impressive number and very useful to make a good point.

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[SmokiNomad]

Yeah, I wish he didn't apologize. I met this kid at the beach that said he cleaned the house of Charles Schwab. (Well, his house in Hawai'i.) He said that his son smokes a shitload of weed, and "Chuck" himself does.

I wish these rich fuckers would come out of the cannabis closet. They can afford it. I wish I could. I would jeopardize my career if I did. So, I understand why he apologized. But, man... You know, I am just too angry to talk about this right now. Plus I am dry except for a little bowl of kief. Fuck, man.

[Rusty Trichome]

Wishing he didn't break the law, break his contracts, and step on parents' trust world wide...is folly. Do we wish cannabis was legal...? Of course. But as the laws stand now...he played the game and has gotten slapped-down as a result.

He signed-off on the personal morality clauses in his contracts, cannabis possesion and use is still against federal law, and since the games ended, he's acted like an adolescent. Nothing like bringing an exotic dancer (escort) home to have dinner with the family, then getting caught on camera effectively operating a bong.

With the Kellogs contract, they didn't drop him, they're just not resigning him. In fact, isn't this progress? A few years ago he would have been dropped effective immediatelly, with a smear campaign against him designed to highten the companies image as an all-american institution that will not condone this 'aberrant' behavior.

At least he's only gotten a 3 month suspension from USA Swimming.

[veggii]

and so know the great corporate USA is gonna trample all over his rights, they better be careful that young man is very bright and might just sue the pants off of them !! I hope he does, they had better watch their step. all federal laws placing cannabis on the substance abuse act have been Illegally placed there by the dea. It clearly states for a plant or substance to placed there it has to have "of no medicinal value" I think 75% of the usa population know it has a "medicinal value" there by it is Illegally placed on the substance abuse act! so any acts against the people using cannabis by the dea are crimes !! I think Barrack Obama knows this and will fix it!

[phatsesh101]

the hell with it i think stoners should boycott kelloggs id bet they would feel that in there pockets then probly sign cheech and chong

oh and IF he said that it would have been sweet i love open defiance like when L.A. said they werent sending money to sacramento cause the legislature is not doing thier jobs

[Weedhound]

I have to 100% agree with Rusty here.......if your word (or signing a contract and taking the money) just doesn't matter anymore to anyone, then we are totally screwed. I'd sure like to think that if I pay someone that they are actually doing what they PROMISED and is being paid for.......pot or otherwise.

PS....Doesn't he have a DUI as well from 2004? Ooopsie.....who'd like to defend THAT one?

[Weedhound]

And for the record, I couldn't care less if Phelps smokes pot......more power to him with all his medals and being able to toke at the same time. It's his WORD that I have questions about (and not good ones.)

[Weedhound]

You know, I just read another post from Lola somewhere on cdot and I thought her answer was bang on. Then, upon further thinking I realized, that I too, am a hypocroite and a liar in that yes, I lie to certain people about my marijuana use and yes, I would lie to a potential employer about my marijuana use. So I'm even LESS than I said Michael Phelps was because I judged hiim harshly for doing the exact same thing I would do. That is some SERIOUS hypocrasy on my part.

THEREFORE.....while I completely understand Rusty's point and believe in the integrity of it, I must expose mysyelf as the true me and reanswer the question the way I feel now.

1. He needs to be MUCH more private about what he does. (And in his future.....this may include drug testing for him which is what you get for getting caught :()

but 2. No I certainly DONT expect him to stand up and say "Fuck you all, I smoke pot and am proud of it!" considering it's federally illegal. I wouldn't do it myself, I certainly don't expect him to.

3. Make sure your private life stays private and this include camera phone photos from "friends" especially if your employer has providen it. And in talking about private that means not caught for DUI eitherl.......) keep it PRIVATE..........

So, sorry I find myself doing a complete 180 and just learning something (rather unpleasant) about myself. Bummer. But there it is.

[MPLSweedman]

south carolina is talking about CHARGING HIM! FOR A PICTURE!!!

UNBELIEVABLE!!

[Hempfester]

The best was TMZ's interview with Tommy Chong.

"I think he's done it before . . . He did everything right. He's got good lung capacity. The only thing is, you know, I'd hate to be the guy behind him, next, because then you'd have to re-fill the pipe . . . Can you imagine the lung capacity that guy has got? He could suck down a kilo." :smokebong:

[Rusty Trichome]

THEREFORE.....while I completely understand Rusty's point and believe in the integrity of it, I must expose mysyelf as the true me and reanswer the question the way I feel now.

1. He needs to be MUCH more private about what he does. (And in his future.....this may include drug testing for him which is what you get for getting caught :()
but 2. No I certainly DONT expect him to stand up and say "Fuck you all, I smoke pot and am proud of it!" considering it's federally illegal. I wouldn't do it myself, I certainly don't expect him to.
3. Make sure your private life stays private and this include camera phone photos from "friends" especially if your employer has providen it. And in talking about private that means not caught for DUI eitherl.......) keep it PRIVATE..........
So, sorry I find myself doing a complete 180 and just learning something (rather unpleasant) about myself. Bummer. But there it is.

That's kinda harsh on yourself, Weedy...You are not in the same boat as Michael. He was being paid for his image, and he chose to let his guard down, and get caught.
You don't spend your workday going around to jr. high and high schools pimping good study habits, drive and determination, hard work and team ethics. (and Frosted Flakes) He does.

In signing a legal and binding contract he knew the game was to best represent his bosses, and to stay apart from any illegal or image-tarnishing activities.
He wasn't at home, kicking-back, and lighting a few bonghits when he was photographed. He was out in public, at a college party, and subject to all the scrutiny TMZ types can muster. Some athlete's contracts even restrict players from hazardous activities on their off-time. Like sky-diving, riding motorcycles, sleeping with Paris Hilton or debating politics with Rusty Trichome...

He knew his paycheck would be based on his performance. He knew exactly what was expected of him, as it's all laid-out in the contract. Damn near all of the pro sports have a morality clause, to protect the institutions integrity and image. If you can't represent...fuck it. You're fired, sold, traded...

He screwed-up, (broke the law and his contracts) and no ammount of petty justification makes it Kellogs fault that he is now labeled as an out-of-the-closet pothead. If you can't follow the moral guidelines in the contract you signed, don't sign the contract. I mean really...what else was he hired for? His acting skills? His handsomely-chiseled face? His well-proportioned body...? His perfect smile?
No...he's a gawky, goofy looking swimmer that can't act. He was hired for his image, which now, does not represent the morals of at least one company signing his paycheck. (as is their right)

[Weedhound]

Well if he was at a public party and was toking away happily then that's just DUMB! :wtf:

Like you say, Rusty, in the privacy of your own home....or with people you trust.....is the way to go here.......not where you can be photographed or caught doing things you told your employer you wouldn't do.

And somebody tell this guy to vape or something with those lungs. Talk about jealous!!! :D

[Rusty Trichome]

I'm just glad he understands that personal freedoms are a responsibility, not a blanket "right" that allows one to hide behind the claims of the corporate world trampling the rights of a contracted employee, after that contractee broke the contract. (he has no grounds for a civil case)

All in all he's more mature than I gave him credit for. My god, I think he's becoming a man. :jointsmile:

[DdC222]

tons of boycott kelloggs (http://tinyurl.com/c6juwh) groups on facebook: jhelion â?¢ 2/6/09

Boycott Kellogg's for Dumping Michael Phelps (http://tinyurl.com/Dump-Kelloggs)
764 members

Support Decriminalization/Legalization; Boycott Kellogg's (http://tinyurl.com/Potarts-Not-Kelloggs)

I've been not buying Kloggog for years because its cardboard. Doing a full list later, but if I was Michael Phelps I'd drop Kellogg for the reputation they have. From over growing cereal they removed the tall grass to plow the fields, then the Dust Bowl resulted. Quackery sticking electrodes on women and daily enemas and abstinence for wellness. Anthony Hopkins did the movie The road to Wellville â?? The Kellogg story. They're worried about their image?

Have some cold cereal (http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/2009/02/07.html#a3284)
Saturday, February 7, 2009

Are you familiar with Malt-O-Meal cold cereals? They come in bags, usually at the end of the cereal aisle, they're easy to reseal, have less packaging (good for the environment), usually win in nutritional comparisons, and are less expensive than the name brands they mimic (and they mimic them quite well).

So if you like:

* Kellogg's Apple Jacks, try some Apple Zings
* Kellogg's Rice Krispies, try some Crispy Rice
* Kellogg's Frosted Flakes, try some Frosted Flakes
* Kellogg's Raisin Bran, try some Raisin Bran
* Kellogg's Frosted Mini-Wheats, try some Frosted Mini-Spooners
* Kellogg's Froot Loops, try some Tootie Fruities (That's right, Cliff, you don't really have to give up your beloved Froot Loops.)

That is, just in case you have some reason to no longer buy Kellogg's products.

BOYCOTT! Products by Brand (http://www2.kelloggs.com/Product/ProductByBrand.aspx?id=943)

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February 6th, 2009
Kellogg drops Phelps after photos (http://blogs.reuters.com/archive/tag/advertising)
Posted by: Paul Thomasch

The world's largest cereal maker said on Thursday it would not extend a contract with Phelps, who charmed audiences in Beijing last year with a record-breaking, eight-gold medal haul, saying the photo of the swimmer was inconsistent with its public image.

'Masturbation results in general debility,
unnatural pale eyes and forehead acne'
John Harvey Kellogg (1852â??1943)

The road to Wellville â?? The Kellogg story
Phrenology and palmistry, electrotherapy, mechanotherapy, hydrotherapy, and a host of other therapies.

The Dust Bowl was an ecological and human disaster caused by misuse of land and years of sustained drought.
(sponsored by K-E double L Oh double good)

Kellogg realized the huge profit potential of serving the public nutritionally empty food on a mass scale. The birth of the process food industry.

The Kellogg brand in America and the Sanitarium brand in Australia,
are wholly owned by the Seventh Day Adventist Church, which affords them tax benefits as the companies direct their profits back into the church.

Would Michael Phelps's compromising picture mean less sponsorships? (http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2009/02/03/would-michael-phelpss-compromising-picture-mean-less-sponsorshi/)

http://www.speakwell.com/well/2004spring/textMedia/sp-kellogg.jpg

Kellogg's's Friends (http://tinyurl.com/Kelloggs-Friendsters)
No surprise to find that a big user of aspertame is a Bonesman business. They don't mind dying for profits.

Bayer CropScience (http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=4270&name=Bayer-CropScience)
Following worldwide bans and recalls for toxic LL601 rice, concerns have been especially high among US rice growers, who sell big portions of their harvests to Kellogg.

Connection between Kellogg's and Salmonella (http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showConnection.php?id1=3548&id2=7532)
January 17, 2009 - WASHINGTON â?? First it was bulk peanut butter shipped to nursing homes and institutional cafeterias. Now the salmonella case has touched the Kellogg Co., which has recalled 16 products as federal officials confirm contamination at a Georgia facility that sent peanut products to 85 food companies.

ALERT: OCA LAUNCHES KELLOGG'S BOYCOTT (http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=%2FN8kUWOoEXfgsnrwXLiQXASPWjfKQWuW)GENETICALLY ENGINEERED SUGAR TO HIT SUPERMARKET SHELVES THIS YEAR

http://www.organicconsumers.org/images/boxobull.jpg

Revised Optional Test Bank for United States History (http://tinyurl.com/noble-experiment)
Goal 9: Prosperity and Depression (1919-1939) 9.03 33

Q.What was the result of the â??noble experimentâ?� of prohibition?

A. It encouraged organized crime and gang warfare.

Phelps has other deals worth millions of dollars with brands including Speedo swimwear, Omega watches, Visa Inc, Subway sandwiches and Hilton Hotels. Phelps's agency, Octagon, said earlier this week that it had been in touch with his sponsors and that none had indicated any intention of backing out of their deals.

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The road to Wellville â?? The Kellogg story (http://tinyurl.com/Kellogg-s-Wellville)
By Dennis B Worthen, PhD,
Lloyd Library and Museum Cincinnati, Ohio, USA

Suggestions on the mode of preserving health and attaining old age:
Perfect nutrition is essential. The process of digestion must be completely and perfectly accomplished. Great attention must be paid to the habitual condition of the organs of excretion â?? particularly the bowels and the skin.

Kellogg, also, managed to achieved notoriety for his views on sex, autointoxication which he believe was the source of most illness, his use of a daily enema regimine at the Sans, and for his interests in eugenics.

The Kellogg brand in America and the Sanitarium brand in Australia,
are wholly owned by the Seventh Day Adventist Church, which affords them tax benefits as the companies direct their profits back into the church.

http://www2.kelloggs.com/uploadedImages/Kellogg/Brand/PTblowout_animation.jpg

Healthful habits and remedies from a century ago

In the late 1800s, there was great interest in the general subjects of health and wellness, which were then known as â??hygiene.â?? Health fads of the time included phrenology and palmistry. Practitioners of those pseudo-sciences claimed that they could understand a patientâ??s disease and personality by studying the shape of his or her head or the length of the heart line. It was the period during which cures and restorative powers were attributed to electrotherapy, mechanotherapy, hydrotherapy, and a host of other therapies. Food was seen as both the cause and the cure for the ills of the day

Re: Cold Breakfast Cereal (http://tinyurl.com/cold-empty-kellogg)
Will Kellogg and Post, and probably was responsible for the birth of the process food industry. Capitalists were starting to realize the huge profit potential of serving the public nutritionally empty food on a mass scale.

Watch: Old Commercial for Wheaties Cereal (http://www.encyclomedia.com/video-wheaties_cereal.html)

http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/filmnotes/images3/roadtowellville2.jpg

Small Farms, Externalities, and the Dust Bowl of the 1930s (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=460622)
Small farmers cultivated more of their land and were less likely to invest in erosion control than were larger farmers. Soil Conservation Districts, established by government after 1937, helped coordinate erosion control.

The Dust Bowl was an ecological and human disaster caused by misuse of land and years of sustained drought.

The Great Plains Dust Bowl (http://www.usd.edu/anth/epa/dust.html)

Surviving the Dust Bowl (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/amex/dustbowl)

Scientists Discover Why 1930s Dust Bowl Was So Bad (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354271,00.html)
FOXNEWS.COM: "What is new and what had not been done before is to work out whether the dust storms from the drought and land use had any impact on the drought," said Richard Seager of Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory (LDEO) at Columbia University in New York. And they did.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/368579/0_61_dust_bowl.jpg
Farmer Arthur Coble and his sons run from a dust storm in Cimmaron County, Okla., in a famous photo from April 1936.

[Rusty Trichome]

Actually, I appreciate the product list...there's two or three of 'em I've added to my shopping list. Shit, I might buy a few extras to cover a few of y'all's bullshit boycott. (I love cereals) I'll double-check the expiration dates, and see how many I can afford. :thumbsup:

Corporate america is not the problem. Ones lack of personal responsibility, and current federal law is the problem...yet I hear no mention of y'alls plan to boycot Obama, the feds, state offices, or your idiot neighbors for selling cannabis to kids...

This has been my problem with NORML for many years now...they talk a big talk, misrepresent what it is we need to fight for, and have wasted thirty or fourty-something years (and shitloads of stoners' donations) attacking corporate america, when it's the fucking laws that need to change.

A few years ago, when I lived in Vegas, the idiots associated with our local NORMAL office went to turn-in the decriminalization petition (signed with thousands of signatures, qualifying it to be listed on state ballots) Judge turned them away. (they had miscounted the signatures, and were short by a few hundred) Later, after the signatures were acquired, they "forgot" to get the petition back to court on time, to be on the ballot. It had to wait till the next year, with fresh petitions, another canvassing crew, new signatures, additional filing fees... Par for the NORML course.

Never once have I seen them (NORMAL) try to organize responsible adults or even med patients...to help cary the torch of acceptability in our national culture...it's always someone like the Cheech and Chong representation of cannabis users that are dragged-out and propped on a pedestal to carry the message, and usually it's on a sit-com, at that.

Phelps has admitted he was caught red-handed, said he was wrong for breaking his contract, and has been appologetic to family, friends, his employer, and his fans, for breaking their trust. Yet NORML, in it's usual approach, blames Kellogs. Yeah...this tactic has worked very well for the past few decades, hasn't it. Attack a company for following legal and insurance guidelines, for the safety and health of all of it's employees. That argument has never worked in the past, and doubtful it will in the future...but hey...we'll keep beating that dead horse, you keep sending your donations.

Altho I felt it "cool" to support NORMAL 20 or 30 years ago, they've been ineffective, and in my honest opinion...a waste of cannabis resources.

I respect Phelps more for his humility and maturity with how he has handled this, than I do with NORML trying to exploit him and his situation.

His attitude, in my eyes, does more good for cannabis' image, than anything NORML has come up with the past 30 years. WHAT...? A cannabis user with morals and a sense of what personal responsibility is? Is this even possible?

MMMMM...Frosted Flakes...


re: the dust bowl...
All that other bullshit has nothing to do with cannabis, and is therefore irrelevant. But, parroting someone elses garbage will get us nowhere, now will it? Where was this attitude, a month before the Phelps story broke, or has this been gathered as a result of the Phelps story, and throwing everything against the wall works for y'all, huh? <sigh> This folks, is what NORML does with your cash.

[DdC222]

Will Kellogg and Post, and probably was responsible for the birth of the process food industry. Capitalists were starting to realize the huge profit potential of serving the public nutritionally empty food on a mass scale.

Eat your heart out, literally. Can't wait. Hurry!

[DdC222]

I'm Boycotting cause they're such perverts.

Ever since I learned of the truly weird and sickening ideas of the original Kellogg (carbolic acid on a woman's clitoris? In what way does that differ from female circumcision performed in some Muslim countries? My Gawd!) , I ceased purchasing any Kellogg products. That was years ago. I just buy the generic store-brand stuff now, and have found I don't miss anything Kellogg makes.
kaptinemo â?¢ 2/8/09 (http://rcs.salon.com/rcsComments/comments?u=2762&p=3284&link=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.salon.com%2F0002762%2F2009 %2F02%2F07.html%23a3284#a323824)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_h18ihfyOBX4/Rj6dzitPJyI/AAAAAAAAACk/KZECTyaNe7w/s320/Blame-Canada.jpg

[Rusty Trichome]

Will Kellogg and Post, and probably was responsible for the birth of the process food industry. Capitalists were starting to realize the huge profit potential of serving the public nutritionally empty food on a mass scale.

Eat your heart out, literally. Can't wait. Hurry!
Gee...sounds like you could use some fiber... :jointsmile:
You failed to mention it (corn flakes) was developed and first offered to folks vontarily trying to lose weight, on a fat farm. Every fat farm had the latest fad in diet and exercize. They (the visitors) liked the cereal enough to drive Kellog (I forget which brother) to market it. Back then, the science wasn't nearly as advanced as today, and regardless...they believed what they came up with would help folks lose weight, not sustain nutrition.

I love the cereals, and eat them daily.

Well done, Michael. :thumbsup:

[DdC222]

8 arrested in Michael Phelps case
Tuesday, February 10, 2009

Holy crap. Sheriff Lott is certifiable. (http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9814127)

Lott says the picture indicated a law was being broken in his jurisdiction. He said he couldn't ignore the violation just because Phelps is rich and famous.

We've now learned that since investigators began trying to build a case, they've made eight arrests: seven for drug possession and one for distribution. These are arrests that resulted as the sheriff's department served search warrants.

We've also learned that the department has located and confiscated that bong.

COPsAgainstGanjawar (http://tinyurl.com/COPsAgainstGanjawar)

"No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the sources of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power."
- P.J. O'Rourke: Writer

http://www.reason.com/UserFiles/Image/rbalko/serveandprotect.jpg

Phelps Swimming Suspension (http://hometownhollywood.com/2009/02/phelps-swimming-suspension)

Michael Phelps has been suspended by USA Swimming for three months over that picture of him smoking pot from a bong.

â??This is not a situation where any anti-doping rule was violated, but we decided to send a strong message to Michael because he disappointed so may people, particularly the hundreds of thousands of USA Swimming member kids who look up to him as a role model and a hero,â?� USA Swimming said in a statement Thursday.

The organization has also cut off financial support to 23-year-old for the duration of his suspension.

Word is Phelps will not fight the suspension, which he says is â??Fair.â??

Kelloggâ??s Breaks Endorsement Deal With Olympian Michael Phelps (http://hometownhollywood.com/2009/02/kelloggs-breaks-endorsement-deal-with-olympian-michael-phelps/)

Beijing to bongs (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0204parkerfeb04,0,595857.column)

http://hometownhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/phelps-hands-on.jpg

Michael Phelps Talks Possible Early Retirement In Wake Of The Marijuana Photos (http://hometownhollywood.com/2009/02/michael-phelps-talks-possible-early-retirement-in-wake-of-the-marijuana-photos/)
In his first interview since a photo surfaced showing him smoking marijuana from a pipe at a college party last November, 14-time Olympic medal-winning swimmer Michael Phelps says he is contemplating whether or not he will compete in the 2012 Games due to his shame over the public scandal.

Here is some of Phelps Interview with the Baltimore Sun:

â??This is a decision of mine that Iâ??m not going to make today and Iâ??m not going to make tomorrow,â?� Phelps said. â??Itâ??s going to require a lot of time and energy and a lot of thinking for myself - but also talking to Bob and talking to my family and just deciding what I want to do.

â??Yeah, there are still goals that I have in the pool, 100 percent. But Iâ??m not going to let anything stand in my way. If I decide to walk away, Iâ??ll decide to walk away on my own terms. If itâ??s now, if itâ??s four years, who knows. But it is something I need to think about and decide what I want to do.â?�

Read the rest of Phelpâ??s Interview with the Baltimore Sun here. (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/olympics/bal-te.sp.phelps05feb05,0,3171313.story)

Merriam-Webster sham·ing: to force by causing to feel guilty <shamed into confessing>

Releasing Guilt and Shame (http://www.organic-pharmacy.com/CosmicEssences/)
This essence powerfully cleanses the psyche, dissolving all sense of guilt, shame, or remorse.

ReleasingGuiltandShame.htm (http://www.iirp.org/books_n_videos_info/csr.php)
Crime, Shame and Reintegration
Braithwaite explains that the desire to avoid shame aids in the development of conscience and social bonds. He distinguishes between two types of shame: stigmatizing shame which rejects and permanently labels offenders and reintegrative shame which only rejects the offender's deed but not the offender himself.

Conferences encourage positive personal change in offenders because unlike courts, conferences allow offenders to shed their offender label and be reintegrated into the community.

Mothers Against Misuse and Abuse (http://www.mamas.org/)
Formed in 1982 MAMA's approach is based on personal responsibility, informed decision making, and respect for human dignity.

http://home.comcast.net/~mikeyzero/A_PalsocRWbSTICKER2post.jpg

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering, Nazi Air Force (Luftwaffe) commander, the Nuremberg Trials

Nazism or Drug Cops

SCAPEGOATING - (http://www.jackherer.com/chapter05.html)
Blaming social problems on a cultural, racial, or behaviorial group.

PREJUDICE - (http://tinyurl.com/Drug-War-PREJUDICE)
Selling the public on the idea that all members of the targeted group are 'bad' people.

LIES - (http://tinyurl.com/Fry-the-Liars)
'Facts', which cannot be verified, and pseudo scientific studies are used as propaganda against the targeted group. History is rewritten.

NO PUBLIC DEBATE - (http://tinyurl.com/3fb6ba)
"These people have no right to have their viewpoiunt aired." and " Anyone who disagrees or questions us must be one of them!"
Why is Ganja Illegal (http://tinyurl.com/Whys-Ganja-Illegal)

DEHUMANIZATION - (http://www.jackherer.com/chapter13.html)
Characterizing all members of a targeted group as subhuman and typically capable of monstrous deeds and/or crimes.

PROTECT OUR CHILDREN - (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4091#4091)
"They corrupt, seduce and or destroy our children."

CIVIL LIBERTIES SACRIFICED - (http://hr95.org/Geddes,J.html)
"We must give up some of our freedoms, liberties, and rights in order to combat this menace to society."

Leary-v-US (http://tinyurl.com/Leary-v-US)
Marihuana Tax Act violated his privilege against self-incrimination

LEGAL DESCRIMINATION - (http://tinyurl.com/Thankyou-MissRosa)
Laws criminalize members of targeted group and they may be denied jobs, the right to own property and/or be restricted as to where they may live or go.
famm (http://www.famm.org/)

INFORMERS - (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4045#4045)
Citizens are urged to 'turn in' friends, neighbors, co- workers and family members.

SECRET POLICE - (http://tinyurl.com/America-s-Secret-Police)
Non-uniformed police squads set up to wage war on targeted groups utilizing deception, infiltration, espionage and entrapment.

Joseph McNamara Collection (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/debate/mcn/mcntoc.htm)

CONFISCATION OF PROPERTY - (http://www.fear.org/)
Property and assets are seized from people who are members of targeted group. Property may be divided between the informer and the state.

REMOVAL FROM SOCIETY - (http://www.november.org/)
Prisons, rehabilitation camps,'hospitals', executions and genocide...
("kill them all" "Zero Tolerance")

"Arbitrary and capricious" is legal language that was used by DEA Administrative Law Judge Francis Young in 1988 to conclude that DEA was obligated under the Controlled Substances Act to reschedule marijuana as a prescription medicine. DEA Chief Administrator Robert Bonner proceeded to arbitrarily and capriciously disregard Judge Young's well researched and reasoned decision, which the Act allowed him to do.

JPWaldo Smoked Schwag...Fry the Liars! (http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/545/drug_war_history#comment-16477)

Why is Marijuana Illegal? (http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html)

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Pot charge possible after Phelps' pipe photo (http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/sports/MI111788/)

More Michael Phelps articles (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Michael+Phelps+site%3Awsvn.com&btnG=Google+Search)

SC Sheriff Investigating Phelps' Pot Pipe Pic (http://video.ap.org/?t=By%20Section/Sports&g=0203dv_sc_phelps&f=1138934) AP Video

Michael Phelps Could Be Facing Legal Trouble (http://hometownhollywood.com/2009/02/michael-phelps-could-be-facing-legal-trouble/)

"Not only are we here to protect the public
from vicious criminals in the street
but also to protect the public from harmful ideas."
- Robert Ingersoll - Former DEA Director (1972)

â??Ideas are more powerful than guns.
We would not let our enemies have guns,
why should we let them have ideas.â?�
- Joseph Stalin

More On Michael Phelps Infamous Bong Photo & Apology (http://hometownhollywood.com/2009/02/more-on-michael-phelps-infamous-bong-photo-apology/)

Michael Phelps Hits The Bong, Probably Not A Good Ideaâ?¦ (http://hometownhollywood.com/2009/02/michael-phelps-hits-the-bong-probably-not-a-good-idea/)

Police say charges could be filed against Phelps (http://topaztic.com/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=6) SmokeScreen News

Michael Phelps apologizes after marijuana photo surfaces (http://topaztic.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=974)

Hollywood Gossip and Entertainment Blog (http://hometownhollywood.com/tag/michael-phelps/)
More Phelp's stories/pics

http://hometownhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/michael_phelps_bong-500x6662.jpg

Pot Smokers Unite Against Kellogg
Since Cannabis Culture Editor Marc Emery's call for a boycott of Kellogg's a few days ago for dropping Olympian Michael Phelps after he was photographed smoking a bong, pot smokers from across the globe continue to put the heat on the cold cereal company. Surprisingly, the mainstream media seems to be paying attention.
full story (http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/news/pot-smokers-unite-against-kellogg)

Boycott Kellogg Co. for Dumping Michael Phelps
Cannabis Culture Magazine Editor Marc Emery is encouraging all marijuana smokers to boycott Kellogg's cereal company for dropping their sponsorship of Olympian Michael Phelps after he was caught on film smoking from a bong. full story (http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/news/boycott-kellogg-co-for-dumping-michael-phelps)

Pot-Smoking Phelps Isn't Alone Among Athletes (http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/news/pot-smoking-phelps-isn%27t-alone-among-athletes)

Olympic Champion Michael Phelps Caught With Marijuana Pipe (http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/news/olympic-champion-michael-phelps-caught-with-marijuana-pipe)

In Defense of Michael Phelpsâ?? Bong Hits (http://marijuananews.com/blog/general-news/in-defense-of-michael-phelps-bong-hits/)
Posted by The Marijuana News Staff on February 6th, 2009

Michael Phelps Drug Charge Threat (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n148/a06.html?1042)
US: News of the World 09 Feb 2009

Hey, Bong Boy Phelps - It's Not the Pot That (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n147/a06.html?102)
Canada: Column: Southey, Tabatha Globe and Mail 07 Feb 2009

Maturity and Celebrity (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n147/a07.html?102)
US ND: Edu: Editorial: Liden, Stephanie Dakota Student 06 Feb 2009

Michael Phelps Is Not Alone (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n147/a08.html?102)
CN QU: Editorial: Montreal Gazette 07 Feb 2009

Phelps' Legacy Will Not Be Remembered (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n147/a09.html?102)
US IL: Edu: Column: Johnson, Jeremy Daily Vidette 04 Feb 2009

Real Moral to Phelps' Bong Story (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n147/a11.html?102)
US TX: Column: Parker, Kathleen Dallas Morning News 07 Feb 2009

Stop The Reefer Madness! (http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread24465.shtml) By Steve Almond
CN Source: Boston Globe February 06, 2009 Boston, MA

You have no doubt seen by now - several hundred times - the photo of gold medalist swimmer Michael Phelps sucking on a bong.

As might be expected in our age of manufactured sanctimony, the pundits have gone into overdrive on the Olympic icon. "This is a sad day for Phelps," Christine Brennan moaned, in that vaunted organ of conventional wisdom, USA Today, "and a sadder day for the millions of parents and young athletes who planned their lives around his races last August. How disappointed must they be that a glorious hero, a person in whom they placed their trust, has done something illegal for which he must apologize?"

Boycott Killoggs (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4231#4231)
Thats some really weird schtuff as Johnney would say...

A Grass-Roots Situation (http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread24468.shtml)
Shadowed in cycles through recent decades while other legal or illegal or performance-enhancing stimulants took turns getting all the hype, marijuana has just hollered in the case of merely the most-decorated Olympian in history, Michael Phelps. It has tried to yell from the recent past of the Super Bowl most valuable player, who alighted at Disney World only four months after a forgotten arrest.

http://www.grideffect.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/mphelps.jpg

* Michael Phelps and Sheriff Lott : He's gunning for you, Michael. (http://www.xomba.com/sheriff_lot_and_michael_phelps_he_s_gunning_you_mi chael)

* Michael Phelps Apologizes for Bong Shot (http://www.xomba.com/michael_phelps_apologizes_bong_shot_photo_link)

* Michael Phelps Marijuana Bong Discussion On â??The Viewâ?� (02/02/09) (http://www.xomba.com/michael_phelps_marijuana_bong_discussion_%E2%80%9C _view%E2%80%9D_020209)

Michael Phelps comes to terms with 3-month suspension (http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/2009_02_07_Michael_Phelps_comes_to_terms_with_3-month_suspension/) By Associated Press

USA Swimming suspends Michael Phelps for 3 months (http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/other_sports/general/view/2009_02_06_USA_Swimming_suspends_Michael_Phelps__f or_3_months/) By Associated Press

"Laws do not persuade just because they threaten."
- Seneca, A.D. 65

Celebrity Stoners: American High Society (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3406#3406)

Cannabis extract made by Parke, Davis & Co. circa 1910 (http://tinyurl.com/GanjaExtract)

COPs Against Ganjawar (http://tinyurl.com/COPsAgainstGanjawar)

Pesticide Abortionists (http://tinyurl.com/pesticideabortionists)

Many Veterans are the Enemy of the Bush D.E.A.th War (http://www.drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62)

300000 Iraq & Afghan Vets Suffer PTSD & Depression (http://tinyurl.com/47jlc9)

http://www.warrenandderrick.com/images/2008/04/25/michael_phelps.jpg

[mjmomma]

This should prove to the world that one can enjoy some herb and still get their goals accomplished, be it a strong healthy family or 8 Olympic gold medals.

Swimming is a harsh sport; you utilize every muscle system in the body. I mean, this isn't put-put, ya know?

If Phelps is toking and doing as well as he has, and probably will continue to do, then hopefully some uneducated eyes will open up to the fact that just because a person indulges in some ganja doesn't mean that they're a stereotypical slacker. It is perfectly feasible for one to enjoy MJ and still function in society, excel, even.

I used to think Phelps was kind of cute; now I consider him to be the 2nd hottest man on earth. (next to my hottie hubby honey, of course!) :s3:

[Rusty Trichome]

Lott says the picture indicated a law was being broken in his jurisdiction. He said he couldn't ignore the violation just because Phelps is rich and famous.

We've now learned that since investigators began trying to build a case, they've made eight arrests: seven for drug possession and one for distribution. These are arrests that resulted as the sheriff's department served search warrants.

We've also learned that the department has located and confiscated that bong.
The owner if the bong wasn't even at the party, but it showed-up on eBay for a starting price of $100,000.00. I guess the sheriff was the winning bidder, lol. It likely pissed-off the sheriff seeing evidence being disposed-of, which I'll bet triggered the arrests.
Doubtful the sheriff has done anything but his job, and likely there's a reason those involved were busted. If the sheriff has overstepped his authority, the court will remedy the error.

If you play the game, better be ready to pay the price. End of story. Don't like the rules, or those that enforce 'em...? Then, get to work and change those rules. You keep deflecting the responsibility of this on every fucking person and corporation under the sun, except for those that are responsible for their own actions.

[VapedG13]

Just another case of the govenment attacking a person based on their being a celebrity........just like they jumped on tommy chong for making bongs.

If this was you or me (average joe) there would be no story.... anyone can own the same bong he used for $650 shipped
Roor Custom Fairmaster 5.0 - Red Vengeance - Online Shop (http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online_headshop/Ice_FairmasterYellow3_Part.cfm?iProductID=4007)

[Rusty Trichome]

No...it's just the sheriff busting those stupid enough to be caught breaking the law. The fact remains...cannabis use and distribution is against federal law, and some state laws. The sheriff didn't photoshop the pictures. He has not tried to frame Phelps and friends. But you expect a law enforcement official to turn a blind eye under such close national press scrutiny? Likely that was the guiding force behind the arrests. Plus, video and photographic evidence is permissible and will likely be used at the hearings, if they even go that far.

What part of personal responsibility do y'all not understand? Is this where society is headed...? "it's just not fair"... "it's not my fault"..."everyone else is doing it"..."poor me"..."but it's only a little illegal..." ..."it's a bad law, so I won't respect it" are not valid reasons for any argument on this subject, and doubtful it would cary much weight with the judge. They are nothing but excuses for ones own ineptitude. Whining may get you what you want from parents or teachers, but in real life, you just look like a whiner. :jointsmile:

[VapedG13]

No...it's just the sheriff busting those stupid enough to be caught breaking the law. The fact remains...cannabis use and distribution is against federal law, and some state laws. The sheriff didn't photoshop the pictures. He has not tried to frame Phelps and friends. But you expect a law enforcement official to turn a blind eye under such close national press scrutiny? Likely that was the guiding force behind the arrests. Plus, video and photographic evidence is permissible and will likely be used at the hearings, if they even go that far.

What part of personal responsibility do y'all not understand? Is this where society is headed...? "it's just not fair"... "it's not my fault"..."everyone else is doing it"..."poor me"..."but it's only a little illegal..." ..."it's a bad law, so I won't respect it" are not valid reasons for any argument on this subject, and doubtful it would cary much weight with the judge. They are nothing but excuses for ones own ineptitude. Whining may get you what you want from parents or teachers, but in real life, you just look like a whiner. :jointsmile:

You really think if it was a picture of you or me taking a bong hit and it was mailed to that sherrif he would seek us out and bust us??? It wouldnt be worth his time we are nobodies...were not famous...... We could be on America Most Wanted.... have you seen these bong bandits:D

Cops have the power to do as they will...if they Want to get you they will...even if they have to fabricate charges/evidence....they can also use their personal discretion and let a person off the hook.

Friend of mine got busted with a pringles potatoe chip can can full of weed in his car...cops took the weed (45 gs)....he got a ticket 2 weeks later for 3 gs

[Rusty Trichome]

Of course it's his celebrity that got this going. Were it you or me, the media wouldn't have made such a big friggin deal about it for days/weeks. You never would have seen us on the cover pages of magazines and papers, or be the opening stories on the network news programs disecting our infamous bonghit. But we don't have an olympic athlete's image on the line, either.

What's the sheriff going to do, avoid doing his job? Show the watchful nation that in his state, his officers occationally look the other way if they don't agree with the law? I know it's not like Phelps was photographed slapping a hooker. Regardless...the cops don't make the law, but they have been sworn to uphold it. (especially when the cameras are rolling) In the face of the media frenzy, I'd have been surprised if they didn't send the message that this is inappropriate public behavior. If you do something stupid in public, it's only fair you get a "I'm a stupid-person" penalty. Likely they'll get a suspended sentence or a small fine, same as everyone else.

With regards to your friend...who the fuck smokes Pringles flavored pot...? (kidding)
Lets see...45 grams is almost two ounces. He got a ticket for 3 grams, and you think he got screwed? Sounds to me like he was done a favor, big time.

[overgrowthegovt]

Thoreau, King and Gandhi all said it and so will I....the fact that it's a bad law IS ENTIRELY VALID as a justification for breaking it. Shitting all over an oppressive and harmful law, and then proclaiming your righteousness in doing so, is the noblest act a citizen can undertake.

Thank god Schindler didn't have the same attitude as you, Rusty, or a lot more Jews would have died.

I see peoples' points about the responsibility he had under contract, and I concede that he probably should have exercised more discretion, but the fact remains that, oppressive terms or not, he did nothing wrong. What's a celebrity to do, refuse to sign a contract offering him fame and wealth because an activity he enjoys in his spare time is prohibited in the fine print? No, any of us, pretentions of integrity or not, would sign the thing and then secretly light up.

If it weren't for the fact that he apologized like a bitch, I would have seen him as a transgressional hero standing up for the idea that one can be a great athlete and a great role model and still hit the bong. Were I him, my statement would have been something along the lines of "Occasional pot-smoking is not amoral, and I saw it as a much cleaner message to send to children than had I been photographed drinking a beer." I would lose all contracts after that, of course, but I'd be true to my ideals and I'd have enough fucking money. I mean, really, so he loses all his contracts and can never compete again....he has enough money to fund half of NORML.

[Rusty Trichome]

Give me a break. Trivializing Ghandi for the sake of cannabis...? Takes about 7 minutes to read, but if you wish to learn more on civil disobedience: Dictionary of the History of Ideas (http://etext.virginia.edu/cgi-local/DHI/dhi.cgi?id=dv1-53)


If it weren't for the fact that he apologized like a bitch, I would have seen him as a transgressional hero standing up for the idea that one can be a great athlete and a great role model and still hit the bong. Were I him, my statement would have been something along the lines of "Occasional pot-smoking is not amoral, and I saw it as a much cleaner message to send to children than had I been photographed drinking a beer."

Too bad it wasn't your decision. You could have screwed-up the rest of his career for him.
He wasn't there taking bonghits to draw attention to the social injustice of a bad law. He wasn't there to send a message to kids. He was there cutting lose at a college campus, and got caught in the media frenzy that followed.

Since you are so quick to judge him, how are we to judge you? Lets see: Are you whining about someone you've never met, not meeting your expectations? Are you whining because he had an opportunity to flip-off the establishment, but REFUSED to do so? Are you whining because he didn't pick-up the banner and run with it?

Like most of us, he lives in the real world. If you are counting on a well-payed athlete to drop everything and come running to the cause to suit your needs, you're nuts. You got to see his 15 minutes of bonghit fame, and now your desire is to hijack his morality with a lose interpretation of yours? He's a talented athlete with a lot to lose, and he's apparently attempting to show some modicum of responsibility. Yet you dis him like a punk.

But I'm guessing I've never seen you parked in front of a network or cable news camera smoking bonghits and spouting how noble a cause you represent, or how kids will find cannabis less addictive and destructive than alcohol. (that would go over well)

Oh...and fuck you about the jew remark. Cannabis laws and war crimes, are in no way related. Comparing apples and oranges to this sickening and uncalled for magnitude often labels one as overly dramatic, nonsensical and quite frankly, irrelevant. (like a drama queen whining about her std's)

[overgrowthegovt]

^^^

A little aggressive, man...there was really no need for that. And I'm familiar with the history of civil disobedience, just in case you felt the patronizing tone was necessary also.

I was merely lamenting peoples' readiness to throw away any ideals just so they'll still be mainstream society's favourite boy. You have a more pragmatic perspective, fine...notice, though, that there won't be any "fuck you"s directed by me, a difference to mark well.

The Schindler analogy was extreme, I'm aware, but I used it to illustrate my point that the drug laws cause nothing but suffering and ruined lives, albeit, of course, on a much smaller scale (in degree of suffering, not so much in numbers). Try telling someone whose life has been ruined by a criminal record for something that is not a crime, that the law is the law and he should accept his fate. I know what you're going to say, that they're whining idiots for getting caught and not taking it in stride, but the same can be said for blacks caught making love to white women in the nineteenth century. But the law was the law, right?

[Rusty Trichome]

Evidentaly I felt it necessary. Effevtive reform isn't all about social unrest or civil disobedience...it's about knowing your limitations, your oppomnents limitations, and finding a common ground. Not sitting around a campfire wishing laws were different, or tossing a couple of police cars while exiting the Super Bowl.

It sounded to me like youe were simply whining about his being a bitch for doing the right thing, for him. If you feel more should be done, fine. you keep the social unrest going, I'll look to see if anything has changed, other than your booking number, lol.

Cannabis reform won't get anywhere without the support of the Surgeon General, most of congress, and the bulk of the medical professionals. Voting to legalize a drug, is not something the public is allowed to decide on, nor will it likely ever be put to a public vote. If legalization or at the very least decrimilnalization happens, it will likely be a congressional bill immediatelly taxing the industry, and setting guidelines for age, driving and workplace restrictions...

Seems to me this social unrest shit is just for the amusement of those that wish to mix shit up, regardless of the cause. Cannabis laws, corporate greed in a capitalist economy, soccer matches, the Duke "rape case"...any reason to show 'civil disobedience' and point fingers at "the bad guys", regardless of the detriment it places on those making strides to advance legalization thru the system.

With regards to the Schindler comment, some jews are a tad touchy, and your comparison was not only rude, but flippantly insulting. Do you often use jews as the butt of your message to others that cannabis is is an effective medical tool?

So at the very least, you're rude and insensitive, and I'm a prick...now there's a revelation...:jointsmile:

[overgrowthegovt]

I have absolutely nothing against Jews (though my hatred of Israel is probably becoming well-known around here)--the comparison could have been made concerning any oppression, such as that of the Christians under early Rome. It was just a famous and recent example, that was all. I don't have a politically correct bone in my body, so I suppose I am rude and insensitive, to a degree.

I've been thinking, and you have a point about how it was unfair of me to condemn his abjectness so strongly--it would be a hard position to be in. I think I'm just frustrated about our social climate in which it's considered an offence, and not so much with him, upon review. He's just a guy who unfortunately lives in a society that condemns what he did. He pretty much did what anyone understandably trying to save their ass would do.

I do, however, disagree about the accusation that civil unrest is created just to stir up trouble. It's a response to injustice, and the long and ardous red tape of the "democratic" process doesn't get very far very fast.

[DdC222]

No...it's just the sheriff busting those stupid enough to be caught breaking the law. The fact remains...cannabis use and distribution is against federal law, and some state laws.

Hypocrites and their Apologists... tsk tsk (http://www.yahooka.com/forum/politics-current-affairs/145786-hypocrites-their-apologists-tsk-tsk.html)

Bullshit, its a lie not a law except by groupies and punks.

I post at several forums and its getting boring.
So instead of rewriting the SOS to different idiots...
Baby killers for Kellogg. Sucking down those pesticides boy, eat your fucking heart out. Bring some facts, your wimpering doesn't cut it. The reality you spout is do to punks like you running from truth and justice unless you can make a buck on it. Worthless.

Rusty Trichome stop spreading gossip. You would have told Michael not to sit in the front seat of the bus. You would continue to enter through back doors. As a woman you would stay happily obedient without voting. As an American you would have sold out the forefathers. You would have sided with the racist and the industrialists.

The only reason we even know about this is because of lies. Lies you feel comfortable with, enough to blame Michael. If cannabis was truthfully examined it would prove safer than what is legal and what no one would be even discussing. Ooooo Michael had a sip of liquor!

Nixon lied to schedule Ganja #1.
Drug WarRant :: View topic - While Nixon Campaigned, FBI Watched John Lennon (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=459)

So stop demonizing natures plants, used for 10,000 years safely by cultures outside of your DEA handbook. Their is no shame in smoking pot. There is immense shame in lies that cage sick people and stigmatize young athletes.

Sorry Michael, but your swimming skills lack a lot for a role model when our economy is so easily burgled by professional crooks. The honest ethical people need to step up and speak out as role models. Not the party groupies and people pleasers. When lies are so profitable and the cost is only the suffering of poor Americans, whats the problem they say? Kids need more than empty words or cardboard cereal.

The same Rusty Trichome s jerk their Iraqi crude oil plastic flags made by kids in sweatshops, at kids going off to die in the sand for political lies forwarding fascist ambitions. These same low life self appointed moralists blaring the terrorists buzz word after every sentence. Fear mongers protecting the interests of Americans they claim. These same hypocrites are terrorizing millions of Americans voting for safe access to Ganja. Not knowing from one day to the next if some zealot politicians will try to stop them or if cops will obey the laws when confiscations are so easy.

The same prohibitionist abortionists spraying poison on the farmlands, same liars clear cutting forests when Hemp has greater tensile strength and cellulose. Cotton's 90 million pounds of poison, when Hemp grows wild and another lie keeps it lumped into a mix with crack and pcp. Comprising 98% of the so called eradications saving the kids from burlap and canvas. But Rusty Trichomes don't DARE question. They blame and shame as the obstructionists trying to stifle more for the Banksters and shame the workers for wanting a living wage.

Kids need role models who teach truth and that won't cut it on Wall Street or in D.C. How many more research studies on cannabis have been shelved Brain tumors or cancer or the known benefits of using RxGanja. Hidden and information censored from the TVillusions. Thanks to shills like Rusty Trichome and the other lemmings marching off to the orders of the talking head idiots.

Stop Persecuting Americans Rusty Trichome!

The Elkhorn Manifesto Why Hemp is Illegal (http://gatewood.com/shadv2.html)

Why is Marijuana Illegal? (http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html)

The Drug Czar is required by law to lie (http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2007/10/09/theDrugCzarIsRequiredByLaw.html)

CrazyCalvinaFay (http://tinyurl.com/CrazyCalvinaFay)

High on Hemp (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=859)

Granny Storm Crow's MMJ List (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=95659)

Wallstreet's Spontaneous Abortionists (http://tinyurl.com/pesticideabortionists)

Cops Against the Drug War (http://tinyurl.com/COPsAgainstGanjawar)

The 'Virtues' of Ganja (http://tinyurl.com/4deh6e)

Groups Endorsing RxGanja (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1195)

Politics of Pot (http://tinyurl.com/4epw2n)

Drug War Distortions (http://www.drugwardistortions.org)

Drugwar Lies Linked to Schizophrenia (http://tinyurl.com/2y7hay)

How Pot Became Demonized (http://tinyurl.com/3fb6ba)

[DdC222]

"In a republic like ours, people often think that the proper response to an unjust law is to try to use the political process to change the law, but to obey and respect the law until it is changed. But if the law is itself clearly unjust, and the lawmaking process is not designed to quickly obliterate such unjust laws, then the law deserves no respect â?? break the law."
- Henry David Thoreau

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and MMJ Prohibition (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=174)

"One may well ask: How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others? The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.

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"In any civilized society, it is every citizen's responsibility to obey just laws. But at the same time, it is every citizen's responsibility to disobey unjust laws."
-- Martin Luther King Jr.

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"There is nothing more dangerous than to build a society with a large segment of people in that society who feel that they have nothing to lose. People who have a stake in their society, protect that society, but when they don't have it, they unconsciously want to destroy it."
-- Martin Luther King Jr.

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"By far the most numerous and most flagrant violations of personal liberty and individual rights are performed by governments ... The major crimes throughout history, the ones executed on the largest scale, have been committed not by individuals or bands of individuals but by governments, as a deliberate policy of those governments ...that is, by the official representatives of governments, acting in their official capacity."
--John Hospers

Nazism or Drug Cops

SCAPEGOATING - Blaming social problems on a cultural, racial, or behaviorial group. PREJUDICE - Selling the public on the idea that all members of the targeted group are 'bad' people. LIES - 'Facts', which cannot be verified, and pseudo scientific studies are used as propaganda against the targeted group. History is rewritten. NO PUBLIC DEBATE - "These people have no right to have their viewpoiunt aired." and " Anyone who disagrees or questions us must be one of them!" DEHUMANIZATION - Characterizing all members of a targeted group as subhuman and typically capable of monstrous deeds and/or crimes. PROTECT OUR CHILDREN - "They corrupt, seduce and or destroy our children." CIVIL LIBERTIES SACRIFICED - "We must give up some of our freedoms, liberties, and rights in order to combat this menace to society." LEGAL DESCRIMINATION - Laws criminalize members of targeted group and they may be denied jobs, the right to own property and/or be restricted as to where they may live or go. INFORMERS - Citizens are urged to 'turn in' friends, neighbors, co- workers and family members. SECRET POLICE - Non-uniformed police squads set up to wage war on targeted groups utilizing deception, infiltration, espionage and entrapment.
CONFISCATION OF PROPERTY - Property and assets are seized from people who are members of targeted group. Property may be divided between the informer and the state. REMOVAL FROM SOCIETY - Prisons, rehabilitation camps,'hospitals', executions and genocide...
("Kill Them All" "Zero Tolerance")

[overgrowthegovt]

DdC, I greatly commend your idealism and social awareness. If everyone thought like you, tyranny would be impossible. The last thing we need to do is obey whatever bullshit the legislaters dream up.

[DTRave420]

I would not compare Mike getting caught smoking pot with any kind of civil disobedience...He's a young man with the world by the balls who made a mistake...Thank goodness they only caught him smokin' pot instead of snorting coke or his career could've been damaged permanently...He made a dumb mistake which I compare to a college student getting caught tokin' on campass when the rules clearly state not to do this...Grounds for expulsion???In many cases yes...Mike still has his career...Hope he's learned a lesson...

I'm a med user who has had 5 knee surgeries and has lots of other aches and pains...I live in a cannabis prohibition state...No matter how bad I'm hurting no doctor will give me a card that allows me to grow or go to a place where it's dispensed...Is this fair??,fuck no,but the law is what it is for now...Every grow I do I take the risk of getting locked up...If I did get locked up for growing would I consider it a bold political statement of civil disobedience???No,I'd just be another person who either got careless in this game or was just the victim of bad luck...I believe Mike was careless and unlucky...

On to more serious biz...I would lay off the cereals for the most part...They're loaded with chemicals...Many are encrusted with refined sugar...Not so hot for a person looking to loose weight either as they're loaded with carbs...I prefer egg whites and fresh fruit in the morning...;)

[Rusty Trichome]

All this bullshit about the need for civil disobedience and the civil unrest is caca. I'm here, because my state has deemed it possible for me to grow and smoke my own meds. Where's the need for civil disobedience? I play the game, I play it well, and I don't need someone coming into my office (where my computer is) telling me I need more rage.
Are you saying you are just a recreational user, invading our medical cannabis site to spread anarchist propoganda in order that your anger will be heard, understood and acted-upon?

I'm soooo amused by your hipocracy, when we are having this discussion on an established medical cannabis site, and openly discuss the growing and use of our meds. Tell me again why I, as a conservative, need to be outraged. If you are bummed you have to sneak a joint into a concert, or talk your way out of a possesion charge...then I have no sympathy. I've been smoking the herb for approaching 35 years, and have played the game well enough, to this point...that playing this game is second-nature. And frankly, I'm ok with that. When was the last time you refused to 'light-up'. because cannabis is illegal? Yeah...the law is sooo intrusive.

I had been a supporter of NORML for DECADES, and their bumbling attempts to raise awareness has worked, for the most part, to lower expectations, and to help get cannabis legal enough within the states, for medical use. However, they've dropped the ball on the national level. Doesn't really matter to me tho. I'm not here to party with my friends. I'm here to openly discuss medical-grade marijuana, and the gardens it's grown in.

And quite honestly, I'm a conservative that isn't swayed by the question authority mindset. It's for appologists and those that wish to shirk personal responsibility in a blame the system game of "flip the cop car".

[Rusty Trichome]

Bullshit, its a lie not a law except by groupies and punks.
Rusty Trichome stop spreading gossip. You would have told Michael not to sit in the front seat of the bus. You would continue to enter through back doors. As a woman you would stay happily obedient without voting. As an American you would have sold out the forefathers. You would have sided with the racist and the industrialists.
See...right off the bat, you get your facts wrong. Go smoke a joint in the police station...see if it's a lie. Regardless of the reasoning behind the law...it's the law.
If you'd like to make this a personal assault, I'm game. What gossip are you refering to, oh enlightened sophmore? Since you don't know me and have never met me, I think it's funny that although you have me figured-out, you sit here all day cutting and pasting other peoples thoughts. Doubtful you have an original thought, as a growing number of children talk and act exactly like you. Do read the drivel you so consistently post, let alone understand the social conbsequences of the anarchists philosophy you so often link us to? Tisn't my downfall I'm worried about. But perhaps you'll see this when and if you ever grow up.


The same Rusty Trichome s jerk their Iraqi crude oil plastic flags made by kids in sweatshops, at kids going off to die in the sand for political lies forwarding fascist ambitions. These same low life self appointed moralists blaring the terrorists buzz word after every sentence. Fear mongers protecting the interests of Americans they claim. These same hypocrites are terrorizing millions of Americans voting for safe access to Ganja. Not knowing from one day to the next if some zealot politicians will try to stop them or if cops will obey the laws when confiscations are so easy.
Where do you come up with this bullshit? Quite a few of us here have safe access to cannabis. Bummer if you don't.
And without morals, you're just another pile of dog shit, on the sidewalk of life.


The same prohibitionist abortionists spraying poison on the farmlands, same liars clear cutting forests when Hemp has greater tensile strength and cellulose. Cotton's 90 million pounds of poison, when Hemp grows wild and another lie keeps it lumped into a mix with crack and pcp.
WTF is a "prohibitionist abortionists "? This is the second post where you include subjects banned by this site, and I for one am all for stiffer drug laws sans the cannabis. How's that for oppressive?

Comprising 98% of the so called eradications saving the kids from burlap and canvas. But Rusty Trichomes don't DARE question. They blame and shame as the obstructionists trying to stifle more for the Banksters and shame the workers for wanting a living wage.
No, I blame simple-minded punks like you thinking they have it all figured-out...when they don't even know the game. Every step forward we make with decriminalization, there's folks like you taking us three steps back. You think you are the first generation to combat the system? I was around during the VietNam protests. I was there willing to be arrested for the marijuana demonstrations, way before decriminalization was a buzz-word. I was a liberal democrat, until I grew-up.

You appear neither educated enough, nor committed enough to make a difference. Unless posting links from one website to another, or throwing out irrelevant links, and tangental points in history, is considered to be 'making a difference'. I know...it's so much easier to parrot others, and pass the thoughts off as your own. This way you really have no need to think for yourself, just like they tought you in school. Such a confusingly monotonous and difficult process, that you seem unfamiliar with.


Kids need role models who teach truth
Which is why I'm here. Not because you are such a great conversationalist...but because I care enough to speak from decades of experience, without being encumbered with misguided anger.

Tell me...which government, country or state is more to your liking? I gurantee I can present you with bullshit they've done in the past, errors they've made, citizens that gamed the system, peoples they've oppressed. No country has ever been perfect, yet you chose to detract from the fact, that the world still looks to the USA for more important issues than getting cannabis legalized.

[DdC222]

Gossip boy, all ya got is gossip. Punks

Here is you racism boy. Now bring some more gossip.
Your not even a good liar boy. Practice.
Here is your law narkoslut. And I don't read morons gossip,
So if you got something to say, bring a link. Your word is shit.

"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."
- Harry J. Anslinger - America's 1st Drug Czar (FDR - JFK)

"A gang of boys tear the clothes from two school girls and rape [them].... A sixteen-year-old kills his entire family of five in Florida, a man in Minnesota puts a bullet through the head of a stranger... in Colorado husband tries to shoot his wife... and then kills himself. Every one of these crimes had been proceeded [sic] by the smoking of one or more marijuana 'reefers.'"
Harry J. Anslinger - America's 1st Drug Czar (FDR - JFK)

"How many murders, suicides, robberies, criminal assaults, holdups, burglaries and deeds of maniacal insanity it causes each year, especially among the young, can only be conjectured... No one knows, when he places a marijuana cigarette to his lips, whether he will become a joyous reveller in a musical heaven, a mad insensate, a calm philosopher, or a murderer..."
Harry J. Anslinger - America's 1st Drug Czar (FDR - JFK)

"I wish I could show you what a small marihuana cigarette can do to one of our degenerate Spanish-speaking residents. That's why our problem is so great; the greatest percentage of our population is composed of Spanish-speaking persons, most of who are low mentally, because of social and racial conditions." - quoting Floyd K. Baskette.
Harry J. Anslinger - America's 1st Drug Czar (FDR - JFK)

"If the hideous monster Frankenstein came face to face with the monster of marijuana he would drop dead of fright."
Harry J. Anslinger - America's 1st Drug Czar (FDR - JFK)

"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"
Harry J. Anslinger - America's 1st Drug Czar (FDR - JFK)

"Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death."
Harry J. Anslinger - America's 1st Drug Czar (FDR - JFK)

"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."
Harry J. Anslinger - America's 1st Drug Czar (FDR - JFK)

"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."
Harry J. Anslinger - America's 1st Drug Czar (FDR - JFK)

"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."
Harry J. Anslinger - America's 1st Drug Czar (FDR - JFK)

"You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother."
Harry J. Anslinger - America's 1st Drug Czar (FDR - JFK)

"[Marijuana is taken by] musicians. And I'm not speaking about good musicians, but the jazz type..."
Harry J. Anslinger - America's 1st Drug Czar (FDR - JFK)

"Today's marijuana is also twice as strong as it was in the mid 80's."
John Walters - Current US Drug Czar (Bush II)

"[Marijuana] is highly intoxicating and constitutes an ever recurring problem where there are Mexicans or Spanish-Americans of the lower classes."
New York Times - Newspaper (1933)

"A California man decapitated his best friend while under the spell of the smoke."
Newsweek - Magazine (1937)

"I want a Goddamn strong statement on marijuana, I mean one that just tears the ass out of them. You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish."
Richard M. Nixon - Former President

"You have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to devise a system that recognizes this all while not appearing to." (about the War on Drugs to Chief of Staff, H. R. Haldeman, according to Halderman's diaries)
Richard M. Nixon - Former President

"[S]oft-headed psychiatrists who work in places like NIMH (National Institute for Mental Health) favor marijuana because they're probably all on the stuff themselves."
Richard M. Nixon - Former President

"Not only are we here to protect the public from vicious criminals in the street but also to protect the public from harmful ideas."
Robert Ingersoll - Former DEA Director (1972)

"I now have absolute proof that smoking even one marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being on Bikini Island during an H-bomb blast."
Ronald Reagan - Former President

"Marihuana produces a wide variety of symptoms in the user, including hilarity, swooning, and sexual excitement ... it often makes the smoker vicious, with a desire to fight and kill."
Scientific American - Magazine (1936)

[painretreat]

I ain't 24 no mo'.. and I ain't eat'n no Fruit loops either! P/$ :jointsmile:

[Rusty Trichome]

Funny you should mention gossip. You bore me with your cut-n-paste propoganda. No original thoughts, just by-gone era bullshit all dressed-up as if in a silent movie, yet lacking modern-day relevance. You trying to tell me the image of cannabis is the same as in the 1930's? Get a grip.

Not all of us are "question authority" automotons, feeding on propoganda, insults, maniacal distortions of morality, anti-patriotism... However, I find it amusing you feel everyone should feel as you do. That's what I love about this site. We can agree to disagree, and nobody gets hurt.

Are you less of a human because you feel society owes you something...? No, I guess not.
Am I less of a human because I believe people are responsible for their own happiness...? No.

So what now...? How are you going to enrage me enough to even consider changing my mind, and becoming an irresponsible drain on society, lol?