Shov's Grow Log 1/2009

[Shovelhandle]

Four plants. Three plants sold as Neville's Haze (??) and one of my Z10 indicas.

They each started 12-12 on 1/1/2009

Here they are at 30 days.
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[texas grass]

lookin great as always
stay safe and green

[socialistpete]

In the first pick the buds look awesome.:thumbsup:

[animalman]

the first pic is the best looking haze, but i like your indica to. great job

[painretreat]

Shov: Is there a place I can learn what Z10 what all those #'s mean. Or is it your record keeping? will be a noobie 4ever! Thanks for being a good prof.!

Those look pretty good, gonna have them ready for Valentine's? lol!!!

Will follow! P/R :thumbsup:

[detroitfish]

very nice :thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

Z10...it's a made up name from afghani bagseed I grew out phenos were X,Y,Z. Later grow I had a bunch of Z growing, this Z10 would have been a certain one of 'em.

[Shovelhandle]

Crappy photo, the plants look terrific, actually! They are wet down right now. Light feeding of B1 vitamins.


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[Lit Up]

Looks sweeeeeet!!

[8182KSKUSH]

Were any of those reveged? Or just topped or whaaaa?
Looks tip top! Wish I had that kind of variety!:thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

they're not topped, stunted intentionally during veg, lst just before flowering. the indica same thing except it's in lst right now and is flowering a few weeks behind the haze.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Good Lord:D what is the one up front with the massive main stalk. That looks as big as the one on my tree.

Never heard of adding B1 or is this an acronym for a nute, What does it do?

JG

[DTRave420]

Cool SH...Nice to see ya and good to see this grows still goin'...:)

[lunarose]

Shov, So is this your Valentine Day's sweetheart grow cause they do look sweet.

[detroitfish]

no i dont know the nuge shovel! your grow is looking good though :jointsmile:

[Shovelhandle]

shit, jerry. you should have seen the two SweetBud plants. They had stalks over one inch diameter when I cut them (both males) They were 40" tall and still zooming!

thanks Luna, it's not a sweetheart grow, my sweetheart (wife) isn't crazy about the grow actually. <G> So I better get her a nice valentine.

That's ok, Detroitfish, I think the Nuge is a tool. He should play his tunes and stfu. lol

[Shovelhandle]

Let's celebrate. Peace, love and herb. Thanks and praises to Jah.

Shov

[detroitfish]

ill burn to that bro :thumbsup:

[detroitfish]

when you gonna send me a clone shovel??????

[Shovelhandle]

http://www.kiddieantics.com/images/Pail-Shovel%20on%20black.jpg

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

looking good as usual shov...ill keep my eye on this one :thumbsup:

mgm

[painretreat]

Nice read Shov--you're too funny!
Jerry, I use B1 when I transplant a tree! I think that is the one--keeps them from transplant shock! Like all else, too much will kill um.

The Nuge-even I got that! Am I just getting too old. I like his songs and his hunting ventures!

You could send me a bucket and a list--have a shovel! rofl!!!

What a smart wife. She knows how to get a great Valentine's gift and hubby! Cudos to you both! Life is a team effort!

I sure love your grows! You make it look easy, even when they mess up, you still pull it off! Thank you for the explanation, I thought I was too dumb to do this while reading all those #'s and stuff! P/R :D

[Shovelhandle]

Hi. I've been away for a week. Plants are doing pretty well. They are 45 days 12-12. The one indica looks to be a couple of weeks back still. Sorry my photo sucks.

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[DTRave420]

Lookin' good "SH"!!!

[Puffzter]

Hello Shov.

First since two of my favourite CanCom'ers posted after eachother:
Really glad to see you guys back, all of you ofc but a little special for Pain and Shovel. <3
If I ever get over to the US I'll drop by both of you if I can. :D
Pain because I can't imagine there is anyone that had anything bad to say about this straight through really kind person and Shov because I am so sure we have a lot in common both in the way we see our little hobby but also personally. But hey, we're on the net what do I know? Have met quite a few growers from net-contacts and I am usually right on the money though I have to say.


Anyway...
Glad to see plants are looking fine man and I am sure another Shovel-spring-grow log will start soon and I'll be right here reading it as well. I just hope we wont be interrupted by server problems again.

The Amazon log I run has been restarted with a fresh start of 16 plants the other day after having been running what turned out to be a test run. Ever thought about trying out hydro/aero Shov?
I kinda suspect you see that as laboratory-growing rather than real growing though if I have you right. :jointsmile:

Later guys, and nice to see you back.

Puffzter

[Weedhound]

Yes, I would think that a molecule would want to be more up to date than soil. :D

[Shovelhandle]

One thing I'm not is 'up to date'. But I think I would like to set up one hempy bucket next time.

In regards to 'laboratory growing' that may be right on. Everything is a little experimental. I'm not afraid to change things up...a little. But my experience in gardening just causes me to get dirty, I like it. I like mixing my own soils and composting my garden nutes (I don't use any store bought nutes in the garden, usually).

Thanks for stopping by even if my pictures suck. I really hope I can get some bud pics, they are looking very frosty. Last I tried though, my camera would not focus on macro. That stinks.

Shov

[Puffzter]

In regards to 'laboratory growing' that may be right on. Everything is a little experimental. I'm not afraid to change things up...a little. But my experience in gardening just causes me to get dirty, I like it. I like mixing my own soils and composting my garden nutes (I don't use any store bought nutes in the garden, usually).

Thanks for stopping by even if my pictures suck.

Shov

I knew it :pimp:

In general we are as into this and I suspect for the same reasons as well except when it comes to execution. I like the Frankenstein aproach, with test tubes, measuring cups and a drop of this or that and the more choices you get to manipulate and force things to go your way.
However it is the reward in seeing that what you have done is appreciated by the plant itself that keeps me going. I love to see them grow happily.

Don't worry about the pics and if someone complains send them to one of my logs, my camera sucks way more than yours. ;)

[Shovelhandle]

I tried some pics of the Neville's Haze this morning.

Here is one of the three plants. These buds get very dense. A dry oz of buds easily fits in a sandwich bag.
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Here's some buds from each of the plants.
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Shov

[Weedhound]

Looks nice and frosty to me. Have you tried the high on that particular strain you are growing and if so, how do you like it?

[Shovelhandle]

I grew this out last grow log and I may have put a report there.

Anyway, I was informed by a few that what I have bears no resemblance to Neville's Haze from Mr Nice Seeds (original). MNS has been out of this bean forever, it seems.
Anyway, there is a lot of indica in the plant's stature and in the smoke. It hits heavy but an hour later you can function and actually get an energy boost. I like that. Not everyone reacts the same though. My BIL said it was heavier stone than the AK47 and it put him right out. So, both strains were very similar in more ways than they were different.

8/10 High (very nice buzz)
6/10 Aroma (mild)
9/10 Taste (nice and mild smoke)

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

heya shov, that NH looks excellent. thanks for the report, i may encounter this soon so i'm hoping for the same "non crash" experience. keep up the good work as always bud


mgm

[Weedhound]

As long as it does what I want I don't care WHERE it comes from. I'm not as up on quality genetics as I could be.....much more of a "what works for me" type of grower......the hounds and their third generation seeds.......:D

[Shovelhandle]

The Neville's Haze was nothing like I wanted to grow this time. The original takes at least 12 weeks and sometimes over 18 weeks to finish. This stuff is a 9 week finish. It is a lot indica instead of almost pure sativa. I had great indicas already. Anyway, it could be worse. At least it's great pot :jointsmile:

[GoldenGraham84]

hey shov, your plants look very nice. i'm thinking of forming a new social group on here: "People with Shitty Cameras."

i'm not just the president, i'm a member.

lol just playin'. your pics are way better than what i shoot. its too bad you got less than the original NH, but like you said, great pot.

keep up the good work!
-GG84

[detroitfish]

nice shov rock on :rastabanna:

[headshake]

thanks Luna, it's not a sweetheart grow, my sweetheart (wife) isn't crazy about the grow actually. <G> So I better get her a nice valentine.

my wife doesn't like my growing either. but she loves me and tolerates it. she even feigns interest. she did keep them alive while i was in jail too!

they are beautiful ladies! what kind of lighting do you have going?

-shake

[GoldenGraham84]

i must say i'm in the same boat as far as wives not loving that i grow. but she helped me carry the wardrobe upstairs. honestly, i would've refused to let her help, but my back is so shit i needed her. is it just me, or is it SO cute when the misses talks about it even in the smallest respect? probably just me.

[headshake]

it's definitely cute gg!

my wife recently asked me what it would take to get my rig looking respectable! then proceeded to tell me that maybe i should start this as a profession! what the hell is going on?!

-shake

[Shovelhandle]

thanks head, gg, detroit and Weedh.

For lighting I'm usin 400 W hps and 216 w T-5 side lighting.

[WhiskeyTango]

Shit shov....lookin sexy!! Got a question and offer for ya, please email me, I lost your addy!!!:wtf:
good vibes

[Shovelhandle]

Thanks, WT. I don't remember your addy, though it's in my book. couldn't find it. Couldn't remember the name either. I'll get it to ya somehow. ttyl!

[WhiskeyTango]

I cant rep ya....maybe rep me your addy? Or someone reading this will give you my email. If someone reading this has my email, please rep it to shov....lol
good vibes

[Shovelhandle]

The front runt is the Z10 (afghani). It didn't start to show it's preflowers until one month ago but it seems like it will finish with the NevHaz. I think another two weeks, or less to harvest. They have not been taking up much water as the leaves are 'leaving'. I should take a look at the trics today or tomorrow. The smell is very strong, neither piney, nor skunky.

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[Shovelhandle]

I checked the trics on all four plants today and they are all have 95%frosted trics (cloudy) and a few orange too. Some nearing 25%. So, any time now I'll move them into dark for a few days and set up the lights for the next contestants. <G> Unless I get an offer I can't refuse in the next week I'll be starting Blueberry, Mazar, and/or SSH. And my collection of fem seeds look on in disgust. lol

That's a pretty decent bloom cycle (53 days) considering cool temps.

[Weedhound]

Get an offer?

[Divestoned]

Just stopped by to say " HIGH" look's good shove.


Dive:stoned:

[Shovelhandle]

Howdy, Divestoned. howubee?

Here's the grow 'kit', w/ refllectors removed.

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Shov

[8182KSKUSH]

Wow lookin' swell. I wish I had my shit as together as you do! I am still stumbling all over cloning ARRGH!
Luckily I have more than even I can kill!
Your on deck hitters sound great, love the variety, can't wait to see how they turn out.
Keep on man!:thumbsup:

[Lit Up]

Looks great Shov, mine lady is only 4 days behind yours. But she will go for 9 weeks.

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

looking beautiful shov, if i had anything to offer i'd let ya kno. nothing spectacular at this point in time :( i'll be sure to check on that bb & maz. another two strains i'm dying to grow. keep up the good work big guy, hope all is well :jointsmile:

mgm

[DTRave420]

Now those are some cosmic lookin' sparklies ya got there Shov!!!Beautiful work as usual man...:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

So I'm flushing the NH plants. I flushed the 5 gallon pails with 5 gallons of water. I feed the one Z10 afghani since it will go to 63 days and it's probably really at day 32 now.
Also I decided to show the three different phenos in these three plants. And, a first for me, I'll give these phenos here (which are really bastard knock off NH) NAMES! <G>

Here's some pics.

RED BONE... Notice the branch coloring.
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MENORAH
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SPEAR-CHUKA
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The Z10
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Shov

[Shovelhandle]

The method used to structure these four plants was one week of LST just before 12-12. I like the result, I hadn't done anything this simple before. <G> I plan to harvest the NH as soon as they totally dry out. I will put them into darkness for the last day or so. The Z10 will stick around and fatten up while I start the next group. Blueberry from DP,SSH from Serious and Mazar from Serious. The yield won't be a record but this strain is surprisingly heavy. The mother of these went three oz, my last grow and didnt look it.

[Weedhound]

I'd be happy to put ANY one of those in a vape or cookie. I think they look great.....and VERY frosty! ;)

[Shovelhandle]

oh ya, Mrs. H, it's really good weed. They aren't really different phenos, of course. But one has a different parent than the other two. So, two phenos really.

sho

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

And, a first for me, I'll give these phenos here (which are really bastard knock off NH) NAMES! <G> Shov

that's great lol...i really like the bulk of chuka and even if they are knock offs I'd say they're all much better than the dirt that comes from jersey. Hopefully that'll change in time ;) we're movin' on up on our indoor game.

stayin tuned to 2/2009 so I'll be seeing ya.

mgm

[Lit Up]

Sweet Mary, mother of........:jawdropper:

[painretreat]

:smokebong:
yum yum! pr

[the image reaper]

nice work, Shov ... gave ya reps :thumbsup:

[bcgrown]

Nice stuff ! :thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

All the NH plants are growing new bud material so I guess I'll keep 'em in the post another week or two. They are at day 58, I went 63 days with the parents and they could have gone a little longer.


Here is 'Redbone'

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and 'Menorah'

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Shov

[Shovelhandle]

I managed to rip off a decent chunk of the main cola on Redbone when I pulled it from under the light (it was clipped to the screen). It is drying on top of the HPS. :D

Here is Z10 at around 30 days. This plant is coming back gangbusters. The mother was really nice smoke. I plan on working it with the Bubblegum I have...sometime. :stoned:

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Sho

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

i think that was a good decision to let them go a little more. but be sure to keep an eye on those trichs, depending on how you want the final smoke. and wow, that z10 looks like it'll produce some great smoke. cross with a bubble? oooo sounds tasty.

keep up the nice work guy, it's beautiful :jointsmile:

mgm


just thought i'd add...those NH have some marvelous coloration, it's very interesting :hippy:

[Shovelhandle]

A NH Bud
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The Z 10 has a while yet to go.
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Shov

[Divestoned]

that NH look's awesome bro.nice work. :S4:

[Shovelhandle]

Hey Dive, put that finger back up your nose, where it belongs. <G>

[headshake]

looking damn good shove! the NH looks out of this world!

-shake

[AllforMe]

Seriously, that NH bud made me hungry.......1 week of Lst before flower? Beautiful...work of art! :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

That really is gorgeous.....those purple tones. Beautiful. :thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

Checking the tricomes on the plants. I discovered that the top buds were looking quite ready on some and the bottom buds were not. So this morning before the lights came on I harvested the tops of the three Neville's Haze.

Redbone's tops
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Menorah's tops
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Spearchuka's tops
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I laid these out to dry while the plants continue to finish up.

Shov

[Shovelhandle]

Redbone
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Menorah
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Spearchuka
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They were watered in with Awesome Blossom, Cal/Mag and Strive Alive Green.

Sho

[Shovelhandle]

I think this plant will not get any heavier but I'd like to let it finish and have the tricomes ripen. The Blueberry, Mazar and Super Silver Haze are anxious for the grow area. When the NH finish up I may clen the grow area, change over to MH and Daylight florescents for 18 hr/day and leave theZ-10 in there with the new crop, watching for any un-goodness that may happen while it finishes.

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Sorry for the poor photos, it's the camera. :hippy:

Shov

[denialisback]

hey shov, still growing i see :) keep up the good work (thumbsup)

Peace,
Denial

[bigtopsfinn]

Nice pull Shov!

Tried the NH in Amsterdam once and loved it:jointsmile:

12 weeks of flowering, though, makes me think twice about trying to grow it myself.

You think this would be good with some LST and Scrog in a small cabinet grow (22.5" x 22.5" x 67.5"), or better to wait for a grow tent/bigger area?

[Weedhound]

drooling.......drooling.......love a beautiful set of nice and FROSTY buds. :thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

Nice pull Shov!

Tried the NH in Amsterdam once and loved it:jointsmile:

12 weeks of flowering, though, makes me think twice about trying to grow it myself.

You think this would be good with some LST and Scrog in a small cabinet grow (22.5" x 22.5" x 67.5"), or better to wait for a grow tent/bigger area?


Finn,
there are more than two different seedbreeders putting out NH. They are all different. Follow the suggestions for which strain you get. The Mr Nice (Shantibaba's) NH is the real deal. I have a different strain, same name.

Shov

[Shovelhandle]

After 12 weeks of bloom I've harvested the Neville's Haze. The Z10 is still in early flower and has a very high leaf to calyx ratio, wtf? I have the new crop under the HPS with it and put the timer back to 18hrs. I had to order a new MH which I'll swap out as soon as it arrives. I'll let the Z10 go as long as it looks like it's still producing bud.

[sarah louise]

Gorgeous looking buds Shov :jointsmile:

[WhiskeyTango]

Lookin sexy as hell Shov! I made a booboo by you, and it will be fixed this week...my bad man, smoked too much NCDG!!!!....lol
good vibes

[Shovelhandle]

The first tops I cut are dry, over 2 oz. Camera does not focus on the close setting as it should so no good pics right now. shucks. :hippy:

[8182KSKUSH]

Hey what's the big idear changing your avatar? Just joking of course, nice stuff shov! Can't wait for a full cure smoke report. :thumbsup::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[Shovelhandle]

this avatar is a photocopy of leaves from my 1970 and 1971 crops.

[Shovelhandle]

Dry buds from the tops of 'RedBone', a nice Neville's Haze cultivar. Nice smoke too

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[Shovelhandle]

All the Neveills' Haze is now in jars and looking fine. The Z10, I didn't know what to do, so I scraped away all it's bark, almost cutting through the stem in spots. I stabbed it through the middle of the stem and twisted the knife adn put multiple cuts on the branches. The crown of whispy buds I broke over and forced them down along the sides of the stem. Bad plant! <G>
The trics are mostly cloudy and I plan on watching the results of my ax-wielding before I harvest next week. 13 weeks of bloom. Long enough. :hippy:

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

NH buds look haaaiirry, very nice. but whats the reason for going ape shit on the Z10? just seems wrong, couldn't have been that naughty. :(

mgm

[Weedhound]

Redbone.......is that the breeders name or ? Sorry I'm pretty clueless when it comes to breeding.

[Shovelhandle]

A little trick I learned from folks here, I name some of the plants so I can rate the quality later on. I named the three Neville's Haze rather than give them letters or numbers. Redbone had all red branches, monorah had spread out branches that looked like a candleabra and spear Chuka had a spear shaped cola. Simple as that, Mrs. Weedhound. :thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

I only did what some Colombia farmers used to do to their columbian gold. Yes, the plant is naughty, it won't finish nice. I've found these afghani types have done this before. I plan on hanging it in a week, I just wanted to see if I could get the plant to react to the attack with more trics or something. The cuts will also prevent so much water intake from the roots. We'll see, right?


NH buds look haaaiirry, very nice. but whats the reason for going ape shit on the Z10? just seems wrong, couldn't have been that naughty. :(

mgm

[the image reaper]

nice gear, Shov :thumbsup: ... I especially liked Menorah :D ... some creative topping, there ... you shoulda been a hair stylist :D:D:D

[Shovelhandle]

At one week before I flipped them I tied them down lst. That was it. Some plants grew back together more than the others but I was very pleased with that experiment.

[Divestoned]

Hey bro ..you havent said Hi at my new log...you did atleast have a look huh?
everything look's great over here at your spot.Nice Work.


Dive:stoned:

[headshake]

damn shove, looking very nice. i love seing all of these wonderful ladies around here. it really keeps me motivated. i think i kicked that work thing to the curb so i should be checking back in regularly!

keep it up brother!

-shake

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

I only did what some Colombia farmers used to do to their columbian gold. Yes, the plant is naughty, it won't finish nice. I've found these afghani types have done this before. I plan on hanging it in a week, I just wanted to see if I could get the plant to react to the attack with more trics or something. The cuts will also prevent so much water intake from the roots. We'll see, right?

Oh. well then I guess it deserves whats coming to it hah. maybe show the final result later when she's dry? Nice job on the grow again, i enjoyed it. take it easy buddy. :jointsmile:

[Shovelhandle]

I sure will show and report on the results. I'm STOKED! <g> I have quite a few other feminized seeds of this strain and the buzz and flavor of the seed mother was right up there.

[Shovelhandle]

BTW, the plant has been dry for quite a few days and still looks pretty green, considering. I put a dark cover over it and will cut and dry on Sunday.

The Neville's Haze are curing nicely and have as good of a buzz than the parent plants already. Very nice smoke. I'll have to weight and photo soon.

Shov

[Shovelhandle]

Nice, sweet smelling buds. Purple too.

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[oSecretGardeno]

love the colors shov, very nice.

congrats on the nice harvest!


-sg

[Weedhound]

The colors are great :thumbsup:

[headshake]

damn fine job shove! can't wait to see what's next!

-shake

[Shovelhandle]

It is super tasty, nice smooth smoke. Great high, no paranoia, "everything's interesting", thoughtful buzz. Munchies. I like it a lot.

Still testing the NH. It is very narcotic, couch lock on the riper plants. Sleepy Time buzz. There are four different products from the three plants. There were early (top) pickings and then the rest of the plant.

[Shovelhandle]

I just received a fresh, 18 pack of Mr. Nice Seeds, "Neville's Haze" (16 week flower). I'm psyched to have them, I'll probably grow (some) them this year sometime. :)