Vaporizers- negative respiratory effects [Archive] - Green Grass Forums

melodious fellow

12-02-2008, 02:40 AM

Revanche21

12-02-2008, 02:58 AM

edibles are cheaper if you make them yourself!

but yea I quit smoking cigarettes and cut down drastically on combustive smoking and I am currently waiting to see my ear and nose specialist.

vapefiend

12-02-2008, 05:05 PM

I had bad bronchitis when I was a kid. They said it was asthmatic. It quit when I hit puberty, but I think it made my respiratory system weak. Seemed like colds always went to my chest and took about 3 weeks to completely leave me. I'm a lot more health conscious these days and can kick a cold much faster and without it going into my chest.

I also smoked for many years. Gave up the cigs about 12 years ago, but continued to smoke cannabis. A few years ago that started bothering me to the point where I was gonna quit. But it was just tight lungs and the chronic smoker's cough, not bronchitis. Then I discovered vapes. While too much heavy duty vaping can give me a case of tight lungs the next day, it's been much, much kinder than smoking, and I haven't had any chronic coughing or major lung issues since switching to vapor.

So for me, improving my health/immune system was more important for keeping my respiratory system up to par than whether I smoked/vaporized. Vapor is definitely much kinder to the lungs than smoke, and I've not heard of anyone having bronchitis with vaping unless, like you, they already had the problem.

As for vitamin absorption, tobacco use is a factor, but I've never heard anything about cannabis use causing problems. Sounds like your doc is the typical anti-cannabis type.

VapedG13

12-03-2008, 04:19 AM

my wife is a asmatic.... we have a nebulizer here in our home.....She gets colds 2-3times a years.... they always turn into bronchitius...and it takes her 3-4 weeks to get rid of the dang thing.

We vape but I think you really need to have a vaporizer that has digitally controlled temp settings

We have found that if the vapor comes from the heat source set above 340* for her lugs the vapor seems harsh.

Vapor from temp setting of 335-340* are alot smoother... we have vaped at 325* with our volcano.

floorida239

12-05-2008, 02:29 PM

I switched to a vape and was using the whip (VAPIR1), when I got a horrible case of bronchitis. after quitting for a while and blaming the vape, I tried the VOLCANO. This uses the bag system and is a much preferred method for me, no bronchitis again yet, however when its chronic (haha) bronchitis, its going to come back eventually anyway.

MaryJaneMonkey

12-05-2008, 08:22 PM

I think edibles are better and easier to conceal especially on a road trip Duncan Hines brownies are the best!) But then again, we just purchased a purple days and its awesome like drinking from a small coconut with a fat white straw. Sometimes I feel my throat burning though because of the hot vapors.:vap_smiley::vap_smiley:

tokingfool

12-06-2008, 12:12 AM

Sometimes I feel my throat burning though because of the hot vapors.:vap_smiley::vap_smiley:

Lower the temperature:thumbsup: Like Vaped stated

melodious fellow

12-06-2008, 05:19 AM

I switched to a vape and was using the whip (VAPIR1), when I got a horrible case of bronchitis. after quitting for a while and blaming the vape, I tried the VOLCANO.

however when its chronic (haha) bronchitis, its going to come back eventually anyway.

I think I am going to lower the temp on my vape, stop with the mids, and cover the end of the whip tube with a thin piece of cotton cloth to filter particles; a coffee strainer was too thin for air to move through.

so yea, I went 6 days. Green Dragon does not do hardly anything at all for me and is sooooo expensive, rather for nothing.

It is chronic bronchitis, so it will be back again in the spring and probably once next fall and next winter too haha.

I guess as Huxley said, "Who lives longer: the man who takes..." cannabis "...for two years and dies, or the man who lives on roast beef, water and potatoes till ninety-five? One passes his twenty-four months in eternity. All the years of the beef-eater are lived only in time."

dubkakes

02-24-2010, 09:13 PM

kz1000r

03-01-2010, 02:09 AM

Iv used a volcano for going on 3 years now and if I have anything bad to say is I find my lungs get kinda chocked up after a session and I can cough pretty good for 1/2 hour or so. I have tried different temps, different amounts and cant seem to get a comfortable session. Iv sometime wondered if vapouring is "without harm"?

melodious fellow

09-18-2010, 08:08 PM

While vaping is healthier than smoking, one must wonder about the possibility of inhaling bacteria and fungi into the lungs, which could cause infection. There is bacteria and fungi in herbs, bacteria in the vaporizer whip, etc.

Hopefully birdgirl or someone else knowledgeable about this will comment.

Does anyone else ever get negative respiratory effects from vaping?

Could vaping increase one's likelihood of getting chest colds?

Do you quit vaping when you have a cold or flu?

JOHNNYBLAZE36

09-18-2010, 09:29 PM

Good point you raise, I too own a Vapor Brothers and while I like the fact it feels and seems better on my body - Im also worried about possibly inhaling chunks of particles, dust, weed etc into my lungs which im sure is really bad.

Is there any solution you have found that would work as a screen for the VBs mouth piece?

melodious fellow

09-19-2010, 03:24 AM

Johnny, I definitely agree that VB feels better than smoking, but I will admit that it doesn't always leave me feeling great. I am somewhat of a hypochondriac, so seeing all that dust and gunk and particulate crap that passes through the whip filter and builds up in the hose makes me think about it building up in the lungs....

My friend puts a cotton t-shirt or cotton cloth over the mouthpiece to filter out particulate matter. Water attachments seem to be better at filtering out particulate matter and probably even dust and whatnot. But neither of these options will filter bacteria or fungal spores. Bacteria probably build up in various parts of the vaporizer and its equipment as well, but it is inhaling fungal spores that is particularly worrisome.

Hopefully more people will comment about how vaping affects their lungs and their susceptibility to colds and whatnot and comment about whether it is wise to avoid vaping while sick. Granny (Storm Crow) always has good advice.

Maybe one day we'll all be able to afford edibles :)

Lobo00

09-21-2010, 12:18 PM

You are breathing dust fungus and and all type of things 24/7
It seems to me that what you really need is to get your health up first.
If you are healthy those things cant get to you but if you are weak they will.
Restore the health of your lungs first, do lots of breathing exercises and stretches.
Consult a doctor in Chinese medicine.
And for the moment until you get better don't inhale any type of smoke or vap.
Your body is telling you something listen to it.
My two cents.

iSmoke31307

10-13-2010, 07:09 AM

I recently had the flu for a while, and still smoked once in the very middle of it. Had no problems what so ever(Well, except for having the flu.).

I really don't think that THAT many particles could go through the screen and all the way up the whip, so inhaling anything other than a minute amount of dust isn't that bad. But when you're inside, you are inhaling dust. Outside inhaling dust and pollen and stuff.

steinitz

10-13-2010, 07:01 PM

Hello guys

My first post on here. I've had asthma for over 25 years and I am 53 currently. Always purchasing top-of-the-line celebs cited to get the German-made AroMed 3.0.

After studying different types of models I decided the cleanest way would be going with the German technology of using the heat from a halogen bulb to heat the stash.

If that wasn't pure enough it goes through a small waterpipe. Then finally a 2 foot long tube. No problem with any harshness just a taste that you're looking for. I'm using my vaporizer at 375°. After going to 400° I noticed it was closer to smoking a joint but better in terms of overall taste etc..

I'm hearing from the forum that that is too high. I'm going to investigate further and see if 338° is really ultimate temperatures all around. As far as the leftovers I agree cooking it would be efficient. Since I'm growing legally I will just toss it out in the wind and see where it lands. Sorry a little stoned right now!

Also, I decided against a portable vaporizer because there is not any on the market that is worth purchasing because of many issues such as getting too hot in your hand, the smell of plastic (that's a real bad one) and other factors.

I purchased a DC to AC inverter and make sure the wattage was twice as high as what my unit actually draws. It's just safer that way and runs cooler. Now I can take the best of the best on the road if I decide to.

By the way I have no affiliation with the company and rarely post positive testimonials.......

Look out drivers

Don :hippy:

ColoMtnRunner

10-24-2010, 03:34 AM

I am trail runner and long course tri-athlete. I can run the Pikes Peak Ascent in just over 4 hours and completed IronMan Coeur d'Alene this year in 13 hours. I train twice a day for upwards of 20 hours a week. I am also a MMJ patient in Colorado.

Growing your own and vaporizing is the way to go.

Long Live Amendment 20, a right retained by the Citizens of Colorado.

VapedG13

10-24-2010, 06:02 PM

try 350 -365*F :thumbsup:

Been vaping for 10 yrs..... the Iolite portable works great

SmokeNRun

11-17-2010, 04:47 PM

Im using an "ubie" and my question is am i really even vaporizing, it seems like im not even turning the bud brown untill i roast the fuck out of it? suggestions.... i dont wanna spend anything over 20 bucks and i dont wanna breath in smoke...

lol. really? You don't want to spend more than $20 but yet you don't want smoke? Sounds like you need to get your priorities in order.

topazdog

11-19-2010, 04:51 AM

I'm using the iolite vaporizer 2-4 times a week. I'm having trouble catching my breath and am coughing a lot. It feels like there is something right in the middle of my chest that is itching. My buddy tried the iolite once and said it felt like he had asthma the next day. I do get a plastic smell and taste from the thing.

I want to use a portable vaporizer only. I don't have access to leaves for edibles, only high grade/high cost bud.

Any suggestions to fix this. I'm not going to give it up but want to start running and get back in shape...

MrHazy

11-19-2010, 05:38 AM

Like Steinitz I use the AroMed. I've been vaporizing for about a year but as my chest is sensitive i've found vaporizing still irritated my chest. Since using the AroMed my chest has felt better than it has for years, very happy with it! I think the problem with most is they're vaporizing too hot so toxins are still being inhaled. I never go above 195C/383F so stay below the point such toxins are released into the vapor.

drunknb

11-26-2010, 04:28 PM

I am a Respiratory Therapist, thus I'll try to shed some light on the effects of the respiratory tract during smoking and/or vaping (I do both), including when the respiratory system is "bogged-down" (so-to-speak) with bronchitis.

Bronchitis increases mucus production via goblet cells. This can happen due to an allergic reaction (or foreign body) in the respiratory tract. With the release of mast cells and other white blood cells converging on the area if "infection", this is what causes inflammation. Your mucociliary escalator/tree is what clears the mucus up and out of your respiratory tract, into the larger bronchial areas, where it is [generally] easily coughed up into the oropharynx (back of mouth), into the mouth and expectorated (or spit out). While both individually can cause a retardation (or deficit) of your mucociliary tree, both of them combined lengthens the time that the mucociliary tree is less effective.

When you smoke, you paralyze the cilia of your mucociliary tree - that's why smokers have a "morning cough" and they hack up brown ish. Their mucociliary tree has been paralyzed throughout the day (via smoking), and reactivates when they are asleep, thus they cough up crap from their lungs in the morning. Regardless; vaping takes similar actions on your airways, however there is less irritation because you are cutting out both A) the heat from the flame/lit part or "cherry" and B) the smoke its self, which has more irritants than vapor. The less you paralyze the mucociliary tree, the better (obviously), the less time it will take to heal and allow the infection to be expelled from your body.

Long story short - it's best to try to refrain from doing anything to irritate your tracheobronchial tree while you are ill, whereas you extend the time it takes to get better, subjecting yourself to additional illnesses. If you can not refrain, it's better to vap. As far as negative effects on the respiratory tract - any foreign body admitted to the airways will not be good, but minimizing those irritants as much as possible is ideal. With that said, again, it's better to vap.

Edibles don't affect me, so I don't eat them...but I do make them myself and yes, they can affect the body's ability to intake vitamins... taking an all purpose vitamin can supliment this however.

Doctors are not generally going to support the ideas of people ingesting marijuana (in any form), especially if they are in a "family doctor's office" type of setting...whereas they are [generally] only subjected to "the news" of marijuana for medical purposes and are not privy to the "upcoming advances" on a continual basis (which medicine does). ...so basically, he's not an idiot, he's just misinformed or underinformed (which MD's can tend to be on a lot of occasions)

Hope that kinda helped - if you have any other questions, hit me up and I'll see if I can help. Till then, vap on my friend!

paace,
db

melodious fellow

12-01-2010, 05:17 AM

I much appreciate your post drunknb!

I am actually a bit [pleasantly] shocked to hear that a respiratory therapist smokes occasionally.... makes me feel better.

How often do you smoke/vape?

In terms of respiratory health, do you think vaping with a waterpipe attachment is the safest way to go so as to remove the possibility of inhaling particulates?
Do you worry about particulates when you smoke?

Do you think that inhaling fungal spores is a big deal or not really? I read that waterpipes only reduce fungal spores by about 15%.

WeayLay

12-01-2010, 08:05 AM

Hey drunknb, does the celia in the lining of the mucociliary tree get equally paralyzed when you intake cool temperature smoke (Such as a waterpipe), compared to smoke from a joint? Or does the smoke itself, with all the particulates paralyze it?

drunknb

12-02-2010, 08:30 PM

How often do you smoke/vape?

Everyday. I have [self-diagnosed] A.D.D., as well as [clinically-diagnosed]insomnia, thus I obtained a perscription for canibus, here in Colorado. It helps me focus and concentrate, in addition to assisting me in getting the necessary rest that my body needs to function properly. I smoked before I was an RT...and I am fully fully aware of what smoke does to your lungs...thus I purchased the Silver Surfer Vaporizer. (they're made in Colorado Springs, just south of me...so I got to visit them and put it together and such...cool expierience and they have great employees!) ...I just continue to smoke. ...but the vap is SOOO much funner (not a word, I know). I actually run it thru a water-pipe (bong) with a carb on it. It does assist in cleaning the minimal particulates in the vapor. That takes care of your next question...

In terms of respiratory health, do you think vaping with a waterpipe attachment is the safest way to go so as to remove the possibility of inhaling particulates?
Yeah, definately.

Do you worry about particulates when you smoke?
Certainly...such as should everyone else. It's a personal decision though. I've seen people smoke heavily for 30 years and it doesn't affect the same as it does the person that smoked for 30 days and develops lung cancer (rare, but it's happened).

Do you think that inhaling fungal spores is a big deal or not really? I read that waterpipes only reduce fungal spores by about 15%.
This is huge... dependant on the spore. Spores such as tetnus and botulism are certainly not good for the body. Their gram-negative status can, and has proven to be deadly. Generally, you're not going to get any life-threatening spores from marijuana...just make sure that you're checking it for any mold(s), if you're dealing with some pretty fresh and wetter buds, that aren't allowed to fully dry while curing.

To WeayLay;

"Cooler" smoke can cause a bronchospasm, if you're hypersensitive to erradic changes in your trachea. You breathe through your nose to warm and humidify the air you inspire, so it's matches the bodys' temp, to alleviate 'spasm' in your lungs. On frigid days when you go outside and take a big, deep breath - you cough...that's caused by a minimal bronchospasm. It's the smoke and the partuculates in the smoke that paralyze the cilia. The 'cherry' from the joint is contributing to the heat of the smoke, whereas the flame from the lighter is contributing while smoking out of a pipe. The heat source from the vap is not as hot as the flame/cherry, in addition to generally sucking thru about 1.5' ro 2' worth of tube...it cools as it travels. Taking it then thru water, further cools the vapor, in addition to removing additional particulates (minimal) from the vapor.

Hope that helped... sorry so lengthy...

WeayLay

12-02-2010, 11:39 PM

Sweet, thanks for the informative and thourough answer.

MrHazy

12-05-2010, 07:59 AM

Interesting stuff. Inhaling fungal spores is very dangerous, but if your inhaling spores with your herb, your vaping the wrong herb!!

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melodious fellow

12-16-2010, 05:44 AM

I sure would like to hear more of Drunknb's thoughts on this subject.

I have pretty much decided to just give up vaping altogether and just make edibles from now on. Even though I quit smoking years ago, I still get bronchitis and I am worried vaping might be making me more susceptible. This time when I got bronchitis, it turned into pneumonia and I had it for a month and it was a huge mess that cost me hundreds in bills from the doctor's office. The doctor who saw me for pneumonia said I shouldn't ever smoke again... not even occasionally. I didn't want to try to explain to him what vaping was, but I am guessing that if my lungs are really that sensitive, I shouldn't take chances vaping either? There is history of asthma in my family, but I didn't think I had it. But I can't afford to get bronchitis/pneumonia every year, so would it be in my best interest not to vape anymore?

MrHazy

12-16-2010, 08:42 AM

Its all about weighing up the benefits and harmful effects.

If you have a sensitive chest and feel that vaporizing is still irritating then it would be wise to either stick to edibles, or choose a particular vaporizer that has good filtration and set it at low temps.

You dont want to keep picking up pneumonia as that permenently scars and damages your lungs each time. I have a serious lung disease but find vaporizing actually helps me. It definately helps dilate my lungs and works as a anti inflammatory along with other qualities.

You should know your body better than anyone else so if you're feeling negative effects then you should do something about it.

Out of interest which vaporizer are you using?

Follow the vapor trail....
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melodious fellow

12-17-2010, 05:48 AM

Just a regular VaporBros (ceramic heating element with glass whip) usually filtered through a large waterpipe). But it has been at least a month for me since I've been sick.

MrHazy

12-18-2010, 11:53 AM

Just a regular VaporBros (ceramic heating element with glass whip) usually filtered through a large waterpipe). But it has been at least a month for me since I've been sick.

The set-up sounds perfectly fine to me if its used on low temps.

Stay well :thumbsup:

drunknb

02-05-2011, 02:35 PM

Sorry about the lengthy delay, been slammed lately...anyhow;

I sure would like to hear more of Drunknb's thoughts on this subject.

I have pretty much decided to just give up vaping altogether and just make edibles from now on. Even though I quit smoking years ago, I still get bronchitis and I am worried vaping might be making me more susceptible. This time when I got bronchitis, it turned into pneumonia and I had it for a month and it was a huge mess that cost me hundreds in bills from the doctor's office. The doctor who saw me for pneumonia said I shouldn't ever smoke again... not even occasionally. I didn't want to try to explain to him what vaping was, but I am guessing that if my lungs are really that sensitive, I shouldn't take chances vaping either? There is history of asthma in my family, but I didn't think I had it. But I can't afford to get bronchitis/pneumonia every year, so would it be in my best interest not to vape anymore?
Seriously man... I've seen so many people die from pneumonia, it's rediculous. VAP (Ventilator Acquired Pneumonia)...not to be confused with "vap/vape" (vaporizing) has been an enormous culprit. ...given that is a nosicomial issue (generally hospital induced)...that's even worse. These are patients that are coming into the hospital for pulmonary issues/diseases, ending up on a ventilator due to that pulmonary disease, then acquiring pneumonia, secondary to their initial issue...because the hospital was not diligent in practicing "clean-techniques" (constant hand-washing, acceptable sanitation of equipment, etc.)

While YOU, yourself... may not be going into the doctor for a ventilator assisted disease; it certainly could head that way pretty easily, if you choose to continue to admit foriegn bodies into your airways. Don't get me wrong; I'm not trying to "scare you into not smoking" (that's your doc's job :) ) ...I'm just trying to provide facts.

Like I said previously; I'm not a huge fan of edibles...either cuz they don't affect me, or I just get impatient for them to kick in, so I just vap or blaze one. I'm guessing if I ingested larger amounts...which I don't necesarily see a valid reason to do so...then I might like it. There's been a lot of advances in edibles too, and I know that people SWEAR by them, just check the lable at the dispensary.

As far as you speaking with your doctor regarding vaporizing; I would suggest that you would do it, or even discuss your couriousness of ingesting marijuana. This is the individual that is knowledgable of the medical portion of your life - which seems to be moreso than average - and HAS taken many years of schooling to understand the human body. You have a law-mandated-confident, doctor/patient relationship.

As far as ceasing vaping all together; due to and considering your conditions, yeah man... I'd suggest doing it. ...that's not even my RT side coming out, it's my human side coming out. My RT side says "fuk yeah man...cus that ish can lead to some really fukd up issues down the road!" (perhaps not quite in that diction...but you get the point :) )

Anyhow, hope that helped - once again, my apologies regarding the rant... I'm buzzed ;)

d_b

TASedlak

02-10-2011, 04:24 PM

VapedG13

02-10-2011, 07:27 PM

Okay, I assume everyone has experienced vaporizer pain. The vapor is hot and dry and irritates the respiratory tract. In fact, I believe using my vaporizer has given me several sinus infections in the past two years.
Is there anyway people know of to cool and/or add moisture to the vapor besides inhaling the vapor through a water pipe?

There was a product on the market for a little while called the "vaporicer," which is no longer available.

Also, I purchased a humidifier that I planned to attach a hose to, so that I could inhale humid air simultaneously with the vapor, but the device smelled badly of chemicals because of the plastic it was constructed from. So, I was forced to ditch that idea.

I'm running out of ideas, and fear I may have to abandon cannabis use in the form of smoke or vapor because of the ill effects it has on my repiratory health.

Perhaps drunknb can provide some incite, too. How can I make the vapor healthy for me?

Please don't tell me to lower the temperature on my vaporizer or drink water when vaporizing. These suggestions don't help.

Thanks.

one word............ eatibles......if vaping messes with your respritory system...injestion may not

Feathers

02-10-2011, 10:22 PM

Interesting topic... especially because I vape AND for the first time in my life, I have pneumonia.

I use an iolite and was told early on that I could just put kief with the ground bud in the bowl and vape like that, no additional anything to the vaporizer like a screen just for kief use in a vape. I trusted this person, a budtender btw, and ever since I did, I have been coughing, a lot. My coughing got worse and I saw a dr. and was diagnosed with pneumonia.

Now, I am not saying that is why I am sick, but after reading about foreign bodies in the lungs causing bronchitis (which makes total sense), I wonder if that is how it started?

Even with cleaning, can an iolite carry fungus that could be making me sick?

Obviously, since I am so sick right now, I am not vaping or smoking ( hard enough to breathe as is). I just do not want to get this bad again :( But mmj is a HUGE part of my mobility since I have degenerative disc disease and really bad spinal arthritis along with various anxiety type probs.

Should I stop using my iolite to vape?

DISCLAIMER: I am really sick so if this post does not make sense please realize that is why.

Feathers

bruce48

02-11-2011, 01:00 AM

Maybe some edibles for a while?
This way the pains from your various disabilities are satiated and you can give your lungs a rest, take some antibiotics and get better.

Feathers

02-11-2011, 03:04 AM

@bruce48: Thanks:) I am currently using up my supply of MJ's Glycerin Drops, a tincture. I am on antibiotics, now for three days and am feeling better by a bit.

Perhaps I will buy a Hashy's 10x Brownie or some other good edible :thumbsup:

Still, my questions remain... anyone?

Feathers

Graywolf

02-13-2011, 11:49 AM

This past spring, after getting bronchitis twice in 6 months, I was proud to post here that I had quit smoking and had purchased a vapor-bros vaporizer!

Although I felt much better since (less coughing etc) I still managed to develop bronchitis this past October. I fought it for a few weeks and got well. Now the end of November, I have bronchitis again...

I kinda want to know if anyone has ever heard of negative effects from a vape (hopefully birdgirl is around, she knows much about pulmonary function, and granny too, she is really well-read!)

I never set the temperature dial much past the halfway point on my vape, but perhaps my daily or twice daily use combined with my allergies is still causing me respiratory harm????

The filter separating the herbs from the hose is fairly fine, but it is still likely that there are tiny dust particles and whatnot passing through and into my lungs.

I have also read that the rather warm and very dry air that one inhales when using a vape can often cause respiratory irritation.

I tried connecting my vape to a water pipe, but after finishing, the inside of the vape hose had lots of water droplets way up inside, which I could not reach to dry. Worrying that water left inside a vape hose could be a breeding ground for bacteria etc, I decided against that idea.

Now after seeing my doc, he said I should quit vaporizing and also advised against me using cannabis in edible form (some nonsense about how eating cannabis prevents the body from absorbing vitamins).

My current plan is to just switch to edibles (which is really sad because that means I cannot be a daily user anymore as edibles are much more $$$)

SO yea, if anyone has heard of vapes causing any type of respiratory problems etc PLEASE chime in.... I could find little on the net other than the positive aspects of vapes.

responses are really much apprecited :rastasmoke:

Yes, absolutely without question I and many of my older cannabis associates cannot smoke or vaporize without chronic bronchitis!

I'm thinking that it is because our lungs were not meant to breath smoke or vapors that are an acknowledged expectorant.

Your doctor's observations about oral consumption leave me asking for his resources, because I have never read or experienced anything of the kind.

My daily medication is sub lingual with just enough smoking and vaporizing to keep my bronchial tubes upset with me, but not enough to take me and my errant ways to task.

Except for a deficiency in Vitamin D, caused by our local lack of sunshine, even in my dotage, I have never been diagnosed as lacking any other vitamins.

My best guess is that your doctor doesn't believe in or support medical MJ and is just joining in the chant against it.

I would find a new doctor, because although mine doesn't believe in it, he is open and paying close attention, vis a vis trying to discourage me with unfounded myth that just reflect stupidity and secondary agendas.

drunknb

02-18-2011, 10:17 PM

I was just about to start a new thread when I found this one.

Okay, I assume everyone has experienced vaporizer pain. The vapor is hot and dry and irritates the respiratory tract. In fact, I believe using my vaporizer has given me several sinus infections in the past two years.

Is there anyway people know of to cool and/or add moisture to the vapor besides inhaling the vapor through a water pipe?

There was a product on the market for a little while called the "vaporicer," which is no longer available.

Also, I purchased a humidifier that I planned to attach a hose to, so that I could inhale humid air simultaneously with the vapor, but the device smelled badly of chemicals because of the plastic it was constructed from. So, I was forced to ditch that idea.

I'm running out of ideas, and fear I may have to abandon cannabis use in the form of smoke or vapor because of the ill effects it has on my repiratory health.

Perhaps drunknb can provide some incite, too. How can I make the vapor healthy for me?

Please don't tell me to lower the temperature on my vaporizer or drink water when vaporizing. These suggestions don't help.

Thanks.

Regardless; if you subject your lungs to a foreign body, it can affect them. As far mas making the vape "healthy", you really can't. ...it's just "healthier" than smoking. You can run your vapor through ice and/or ice water to further cool/clean the vapor too.

Edibles, oils or tinctures is probably the way you'll want to go if you have such an adverse reaction to smoking and/or vap'ing.

Feathers: yeah, it's possible. The Iolite is a closed system when in use, anything could be hiding in there. You could use a Cidex based cleaner (medical grade, medical equipment cleaner) throughout it, just make sure you rinse it thoroughly and let it dry completely prior to use again. That would take care of any critters in there. This system doesn't really have a way to cool the smoke through a water or ice reservoir...unless you hook a tube to the mouthpiece, etc.

...and yeah, there are WAAAY many doc's out there that agree with the uses of canibus - find a new doctor that understands your concerns and will be willing to work with you to remedy your situation.

paace,
db

notomorrow

01-25-2012, 01:20 PM

Hello people of cannabis boards.
I'm resurrecting this thread in hope that someone can give some advice / input on my problem. Here I go:

About 18 months ago, after a pretty serious bleeding crisis one night, I was diagnosed with tuberculosis. Been hospitalized for one month, than followed treatment for 6 months. As soon as the treatment stopped, I started to feel sick again and some minor bleedings occurred again. Been hospitalized again for another month. This time they found out that it was chemo resistant TB so I switched to harder drugs, for a one year period of time. After one year and a half, I just finished my treatment this month so I guess I can now say I'm leaving all this behind. I'm all good now, starting to do some light workout everyday to get back in shape.

Until all this had occurred I was a smoker for 9 years (one pack a day). Towards the period when I got sick I was carrying a messy life that involved heavy partying, alcohol, cigarettes, occasional joints (3 a month or so), bad meals and little sleep. Actually, this way of life is what got me this disease.

Needles to say, from the moment I got sick I changed my life completely. I quit smoking immediately. I'm now trying to get 8 hours of sleep every night, eat healthy, avoid alcohol and other bad things out there. The thing that I didn't put out completely though is MJ. In the last year I smoked about 5-6 times, so about 1 time every 2 months or so. Anyway, I never want to do that again as I realize even that frequency of this habit won't do any good to my lungs. I tried edibles which are fine but sometimes it's a complete headache to cook them.

So I have been studying vaporizers for a while now over the internet. Haven't tried out one yet but I'm planning to get one. However, since it involves getting something down in my lungs and giving my recent experience with the disease, I wonder If it's the right way to go. Note that I'll be getting high about twice a week or so. Not a daily habit for me. What I'm looking for is the Magic Flight Launch Box -http://magic-flight.com/ a small portable vaporizer that seems to get the job done fast, easy and efficient.

So I'd like to carry on with this habit and enjoy this wonder plant but I'm wondering If I'm jeopardizing my health by doing so.
Note that I researched the vaporizers thing quite a bit now, so I pretty much know everything about them and their effects on lungs, etc. However, this is a specific situation and maybe someone with a similar problem can give some advice.

On another hand, I researched quite a bit and found out that Cannabis is one of the strongest antibacterial plants. In fact, in the 1930s tuberculosis and a good hand of other diseases were cured using various concoctions of this plant. Moreover, tuberculosis treatment often involves vapor inhalation of specific plants and plant oils. So maybe there could be a positive side of this matter?

I know this is a long story and a lot of information, but this thread is one of the most specific and comprehensive ones that I found on the whole web. We even have a doctor's input here so maybe someone can help me out.

Given my situation, will I be doing any damage to my lungs vaporizing Cannabis about 2 times a week?

many thanks,
peace

nugatronica

01-25-2012, 06:03 PM

I actually had a very similar problem. I was smoking bongs and blunts everyday where it got to he point that I would cough up lougies filled with tar residue as this scared me I decided to opt to purchasing a vaporizer. After 2 months of using only the vaporizer the lougies started to go away and when smoking the vape it would make my throat very dry so it was helping to eliminate mucus that was chilling in my lungs. In your case you could have different issues do you happen to still have your tonsils ?

notomorrow

01-25-2012, 11:08 PM

hey there,

I still have my tonsils, but do they have to do with my lung condition? Speaking of lungs, mine are all good and clean now and I'm feeling good, just that I need to start doing some exercise to get my pulmonary capacity back and my condition good.

thanx

drunknb

01-26-2012, 10:01 PM

Wow... I just happened to google my name, and refound this thread.

@ notomorrow:

TB's nothing to be messing with - I'm glad you have it under control, whereas a lot of times, it will be the death of people. As far as vaporizing; like I said, it's not necessarily "healthy", it's just healthier than smoking, as it cuts out heat, carcinigens, etc.

Keep in mind that marijuana was here looooong before you and will be here loooong after you are deceased. Not to get morbid or anything, but it's the truth. If you want to continue this cannabis journey, then it sounds like the best option for you is to ingest it. YES... it IS a natural antibacteria, however as I previously mentioned - inhaling anyforiegnbody into your lungs can cause some sort of negative reaction. If you ingest it, then you can get the positive effects from cannabis, as well as manage pain...without the respiratory effects.

As far as purchasing a vaporizer, perhaps some more research is necessary if you're going with the little "lunch-box", or whatever it's called. As I can certainly appreciate the ability to conceal and such - if you chose to inhale marijuana - then you shouldn't be doing it hiding in a corner somewhere. It's probably not a hidden fact that you used to party, etc...especially since you've been down the TB path. The only reason you'd want to get something small like the lunch-box (I know it's Launch Box...btw), is if you'd want to conceal it in public or hide it from your parents...basically. If you're at home; there are many better options for vaporizers. I personally use the Silver Surfer, and have for many, many years. The product speaks for its self, so there's no need for me to up-talk it. There are more advances in technology as well, and better vape's than the SS, I chose it for the simplicity...as well as I purchased it when it was one of the better vape's on the market. If you're concerned about your parents, don't be...you were diagnosed with TB for Christ's sake - I'm sure they'll understand if you want to relieve yourself in a manner that is not as detrimental to yourself as say...partying-it-up with an 8-ball of blow and some booze.

Fortunately, I live in a state that allows patients to use cannabis if they obtain a license. In addition, I can grow up to 46 plants (generally it's 6 per patient, I'll explain in a minute) If you live in a state similar, it's an open-and-shut case for you, especially with your medical history. Being that you have documented respiratory issues, you can inform the doctor that you are unable to smoke cannabis, and you will receive a license for four-times the generally allowed grow-amount (I have additional permissions on my license, hence I can grow up to 46...although I only grow 5-6 at a time becuase I grow only for personal use...and with power, comes responsibility.) Once you have access to growing marijuana, then you can utilize it to cook with, thus, you make your own medicine. Recipies run rampid on the net for cannabis cooking, as well as at your local Barnes & Noble or chain-type book store.

Anyhow, that's my 2 pennies on the whole thing...take it for what it's worth - and I'm a Respiratory Therapist...so I'm not just talking out of my ass. Be safe with whatever decision you choose.

peace,
d_b

notomorrow

01-27-2012, 10:40 AM

Hey drunknb! Tnx for your words. To be honest, I was mostly expecting some input from you, as I could see from the previous posts that you are a doctor, so I'm glad you stopped by:)

Ingesting seems a way to go, as I've been doing it a couple of times. As far as a vaporizer goes, I'm thinking at the portable Magic Flight box for the sole reason that it's portable, not at all to conceal this habit. So I'll be able to carry it with me. Besides, it's fast and easy to use. I think I'll buy the thing and give it a try, see how it feels and how I feel afterwards. If I'm not confortable with it, I'll give it a rest for good. Not worth to take any risk.

No legal MJ in my country. WOW... growing up to 46 plants per patient in your country? Believe me, I'm floored to hear this. I can only hope that this kind of regulations will apply in all countries some day.

Many tnx for your input
If anybody can help with some advice regarding my situation here, It'll be gladly welcomed
Peace

williboy

01-28-2012, 10:50 PM

I too love the little 'lunch' box, so portable, discreet. But as vapes go it is a little underpowered, I also worry about how durable it will be in the long run. It has a small small heating element (kinda required, 1 AA battery operated). One of the things about it that is good is that it is nearly impossible to actually light up and burn the herb instead of just vapin it. SS is a good one, some knock offs are very good too, just remember that vaping at lower temps is easier on your throat and lungs. Also the experiance helped me understand that I don't really want to turn any herb into ash, you got the good stuff before it turns black.

notomorrow

01-29-2012, 09:41 PM

hey willie,

my point exactly... vaping is all you need to get the benefits. I know it's hell of a lot more safely than putting smoke in your lungs but is it 100% safe? or are there any hidden side effects to it?

drunknb

01-30-2012, 02:05 PM

I know it's hell of a lot more safely than putting smoke in your lungs but is it 100% safe? or are there any hidden side effects to it?

That depends on what your definition of 100% safe is...whereas nothing is 100% safe. Walking across the street, isn't 100% safe. Driving a car, isn't 100% safe. Taking medicines, is not 100% safe. It's what one does to increase the safety, while performing a task. When walking across the street, you increase your safety by not crossing while there is moving traffic in your vacinity and looking both ways before you cross. While driving a vehicle, you increase safety by wearing a seatbelt, adhering to the posted driving laws and driving defensively. While taking meds, you increase the safety by taking only FDA approved medications, prescribed meds or over-the-counter medications. Everything is going to be (in a sense) dangerous, it's what we do to lessen those dangers. When it comes to cannabis, you can increase the health-safety by minizing the "damage", by using a vaporizer or ingesting it orally.

As far as hidden side-effects...yeah...laziness ;) ...no but really: I think I mentioned this about the iolite somewhere around here too - the downside to those closed systems is that it could harbor bacteria, which could end up in your lungs, however cleaning with a bleach-based cleaner occasionally would do the trick. I'm also going to say however that it probably wouldn't be as much bacteria as would be on say... your cell phone...or even your bong (and people keep water in their bong - a breeding ground for bacteria - then smoke it).

Hope that helps - peace
db