Ron Paul and NORML

[etherealsift]

If anyone believes that marijuana should be legal - with as many people that smoke weed, and now more people who don't smoke weed for their own reasons are even starting to want freedom for those who do.. I believe with strength in numbers, we could get this to happen in 2012, at the very least for medical reasons, the federal government should not step in and arrest state qualified medical marijuana users. With the activist organization NORML, and VOTES in 2012 for Ron Paul, who has a record of stating that drugs are a personal freedom and that marijuana can help sick people.. (its on YouTube I'm sure, its an ABC news interview) we can take part in a new kind of revolution.. a democratic upheaval of the old, outdated, conservative ways, and create a new america - which could once again be a place not of disdain, and terrorism(government stronger than its people) to its own people and the rest of the world, but a thriving, evolving society where marijuana isn't the minority anymore! We have 4 years to spread the word, and one chance to VOTE!!

Ron Paul: check out Campaign For Liberty — Home (http://www.campaignforliberty.com)
NORML Organization: check out Marijuana Law Reform - NORML (http://www.norml.org)
A very cool article in a Popular Political E-Zine: The Hill Blog» Blog Archive » We’ve Cut Cigarette Smoking By Half and We Didnt Have To Arrest 20 Million Americans To Do It (http://blog.thehill.com/2008/11/17/weve-cut-cigarette-smoking-by-half-and-we-didnt-have-to-arrest-20-million-americans-to-do-it/)

[theforthdrive]

damn, can you give me a month or two? Im still cooling down after this election.

[bubbleboy]

Ron Paul is my hero.

[jonquest]

I wouldn't pay attention to politics if it wasn't for Ron Paul. He was the best candidate for President in the last election. Please check him out. You might find yourself agreeing with everything he says.:jointsmile:

[Stigma420247]

i voted for Ron Paul :) he was by far the best candidate if u ask me... the republican party needs more people like him....

[RobPA]

I wouldn't pay attention to politics if it wasn't for Ron Paul. He was the best candidate for President in the last election. Please check him out. You might find yourself agreeing with everything he says.:jointsmile:

I am a diehard Ron Paul Supporter. Do you really think he will run in 2012? Wow wont he be getting up there in age by then?? I really hope someone younger steps up and joins him and becomes and Icon like he is, we need them for the next generation.

[beachguy in thongs]

Federal law no longer trumps state law!

[RobPA]

Federal law no longer trumps state law!



Is this a joke?

[beachguy in thongs]

Is this a joke?

No joke! :jointsmile:
ASA:U.S. Supreme Court: State Medical Marijuana Laws Not Preempted by Federal Law (http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=5614)


For Immediate Release: December 1st, 2008

U.S. Supreme Court: State Medical Marijuana Laws Not Preempted by Federal Law
Medical marijuana case appealed by the City of Garden Grove was denied review today

Washington, DC -- The U.S. Supreme Court refused to review a landmark decision today in which California state courts found that its medical marijuana law was not preempted by federal law. The state appellate court decision from November 28, 2007, ruled that "it is not the job of the local police to enforce the federal drug laws." The case, involving Felix Kha, a medical marijuana patient from Garden Grove, was the result of a wrongful seizure of medical marijuana by local police in June 2005. Medical marijuana advocates hailed today's decision as a huge victory in clarifying law enforcement's obligation to uphold state law. Advocates assert that better adherence to state medical marijuana laws by local police will result in fewer needless arrests and seizures. In turn, this will allow for better implementation of medical marijuana laws not only in California, but in all states that have adopted such laws.

"It's now settled that state law enforcement officers cannot arrest medical marijuana patients or seize their medicine simply because they prefer the contrary federal law," said Joe Elford, Chief Counsel with Americans for Safe Access (ASA), the medical marijuana advocacy organization that represented the defendant Felix Kha in a case that the City of Garden Grove appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court. "Perhaps, in the future local government will think twice about expending significant time and resources to defy a law that is overwhelmingly supported by the people of our state."

California medical marijuana patient Felix Kha was pulled over by the Garden Grove Police Department and cited for possession of marijuana, despite Kha showing the officers proper documentation. The charge against Kha was subsequently dismissed, with the Superior Court of Orange County issuing an order to return Kha's wrongfully seized 8 grams of medical marijuana. The police, backed by the City of Garden Grove, refused to return Kha's medicine and the city appealed. Before the 41-page decision was issued a year ago by California's Fourth District Court of Appeal, the California Attorney General filed a "friend of the court" brief on behalf of Kha's right to possess his medicine. The California Supreme Court then denied review in March.

"The source of local law enforcement's resistance to upholding state law is an outdated, harmful federal policy with regard to medical marijuana," said ASA spokesperson Kris Hermes. "This should send a message to the federal government that it's time to establish a compassionate policy more consistent with the 13 states that have adopted medical marijuana laws."

[RobPA]

That is friggen awesome, but I just see in that article that LOCAL LE cannot bust I dont see anything about the DEA or Feds not doing it anymore?? If this is true this is great.

[beachguy in thongs]

Maybe, this is the next step towards the D.E.A. leaving people alone, in certain states.

[Cederfern]

anyone who believes in the power of america essentially believes in the power of a bully.

This land is not america, it does not belong to the united states, this land is sacred and belongs to the inhabitants who have lived here for over 5000 years.

Stop playing USA, and start giving back to the people who once protected these lands.


Stop playing with politics of a land they have no rightful authority.


Voting in american politics is like going to someone else's house and telling them what the rules are, completely disregarding the fact that it isnt your house or your rules.



give me one good reason why i shouldnt lecture every american out there for being a bully, weather knowingly or not.

[RobPA]

anyone who believes in the power of america essentially believes in the power of a bully.

This land is not america, it does not belong to the united states, this land is sacred and belongs to the inhabitants who have lived here for over 5000 years.

Stop playing USA, and start giving back to the people who once protected these lands.


Stop playing with politics of a land they have no rightful authority.


Voting in american politics is like going to someone else's house and telling them what the rules are, completely disregarding the fact that it isnt your house or your rules.



give me one good reason why i shouldnt lecture every american out there for being a bully, weather knowingly or not.



:S4: Frankly you shouldent lecture me cause I dont give a shit.

[TurboALLWD]

I'm with the guy using the smiley face. And this is great news! Now what about the growers? do they fall under medical mj patients?

[Cederfern]

:S4: Frankly you shouldent lecture me cause I dont give a shit.

then GTFO.

[Cederfern]

I'm with the guy using the smiley face. And this is great news! Now what about the growers? do they fall under medical mj patients?


If you dont give a shit, then leave. go to russia, china, germany, india, pakistan, zimbabwe, australia, anywhere else but here.


if you didnt give a shit, you wouldnt even acknowledge what i had to say, so obviously you give enough shit to fight back, so why not give me some logic.

why do you think you deserve to live on this continent when our ancestors resorted to murder to take it.

[Markass]

anyone who believes in the power of america essentially believes in the power of a bully.

This land is not america, it does not belong to the united states, this land is sacred and belongs to the inhabitants who have lived here for over 5000 years.

Stop playing USA, and start giving back to the people who once protected these lands.


Stop playing with politics of a land they have no rightful authority.


Voting in american politics is like going to someone else's house and telling them what the rules are, completely disregarding the fact that it isnt your house or your rules.



give me one good reason why i shouldnt lecture every american out there for being a bully, weather knowingly or not.


you can't hold me accountable for anything that others have done, or the government has done, they did it, not me. If you think you can tell me that what the government has done is my fault you can eat shit. Thanks, have a good day:thumbsup:

[Markass]

If you dont give a shit, then leave. go to russia, china, germany, india, pakistan, zimbabwe, australia, anywhere else but here.


if you didnt give a shit, you wouldnt even acknowledge what i had to say, so obviously you give enough shit to fight back, so why not give me some logic.

why do you think you deserve to live on this continent when our ancestors resorted to murder to take it.

because I was born here and am established here, and a plane ticket to australia is $2,000

[GoldenBoy812]

Cederfern, by attempting to put blame on Americans for the actions of the past, within the context of criticizing future actions, you are actually making the claim that it is their fault for things which they have zero control over.

You might be thinking to yourself, so what???

But that particular line of thinking will gravitate you into a tight squeeze. You are also essentially saying that it is a retarded persons fault for being born retarded etc...

If we are to take this as a true statement then what we can synthesize from your other post is this: It is the current native American generations fault for losing control of this country because their decedents did not win the war...

Believing this above statement to be false gives recognition to the fact that your statement about Americans being bullies is also false...

[daihashi]

If you think you can tell me that what the government has done is my fault you can eat shit. Thanks, have a good day:thumbsup:

Took the words right out of my mouth :thumbsup:

[TurboALLWD]

If you dont give a shit, then leave. go to russia, china, germany, india, pakistan, zimbabwe, australia, anywhere else but here.


if you didnt give a shit, you wouldnt even acknowledge what i had to say, so obviously you give enough shit to fight back, so why not give me some logic.

why do you think you deserve to live on this continent when our ancestors resorted to murder to take it.

Is that a question? So if i obviously do give a shit why are you telling me to leave? go smoke and calm yourself down, young grass hopper.

[thcbongman]

If you dont give a shit, then leave. go to russia, china, germany, india, pakistan, zimbabwe, australia, anywhere else but here.


if you didnt give a shit, you wouldnt even acknowledge what i had to say, so obviously you give enough shit to fight back, so why not give me some logic.

why do you think you deserve to live on this continent when our ancestors resorted to murder to take it.

So what do you think should be done?

[Cederfern]

Cederfern, by attempting to put blame on Americans for the actions of the past, within the context of criticizing future actions, you are actually making the claim that it is their fault for things which they have zero control over.

You might be thinking to yourself, so what???

But that particular line of thinking will gravitate you into a tight squeeze. You are also essentially saying that it is a retarded persons fault for being born retarded etc...

If we are to take this as a true statement then what we can synthesize from your other post is this: It is the current native American generations fault for losing control of this country because their decedents did not win the war...

Believing this above statement to be false gives recognition to the fact that your statement about Americans being bullies is also false...

Right now, as the situation stands, those of us who are not actively trying to set a positive example are effectively assisting the negative example.


Those of us who "have no choice" but to work for a living just to "get by" are causing a lot of damage to this world, weather knowingly or not.

To continue to rely on the established system that governs America, we all are guilty of destroying the environment, and attacking Iraq.

Every penny you pay in taxes, YOU are accountable for giving to the hands of corrupt politicians who will use it for ill gains.

The solution is not to continue to attempt to fix a dead and inefficient system of civilization, but to adhere to a more effective one, to get back to basics.

I am simply saying that weather or not you are trying to or not, simply by spending cash, you are destroying the economy, as well as living conditions, god knows where.


we cannot follow each and every penny and where it goes after it's taxed, but we do know enough to realize that most of that cash is being used for things none of the people want.


You say there is nothing you can do? HA! Do as i do, and abandon this mess, in favor of living a life by example, and a good example for that!


I've been invited to join some new found friends on the Republic of Lakotah forum to move out to South Dakota and establish a self sufficient community of some several families or more.

We will be working hte land, and largely self sufficient even at the start. yes, we will still have to rely on money for some thing, but not all. the working goal is to spread empowerment to the little people and give us all a chance to live in comfort, for free. or for as free as we can afford while this corrupt system of politics and economics remains in action.



I simply ask, nay beg of you all to open your eyes and look around then ask yourself:

"is a menial day-to-day job really all there is to life?"



Join me and others in attempt to spread a good example for the people of the world to see that human beings are not inherently horrible people, that it is not our instinctive nature to fuck each other over and get ahead, that this is, in fact, an artificial mentality perpetrated by the public schooling system, college, and, of course, our government power holders.


I do not mean to attack anyone/everyone, but the time is long since past that a great awakening is needed!


Please, before we wind up destroying the last bit of sustainable habitat on earth, please, dont let our nations become any more powerful than they already are.



The majority of the human world is composed of suffering individuals.

That is the representation of the life quality for the whole planet.

Let's work toward changing that. let's bring the majority of the human population into contentment.


We cant do that by buying happiness or anything else. money is not the solution, it's the problem.

[Cederfern]

if you think you're sick and tired of me ranting on about this issue, what makes you think im not sick and tired of having to rant?


so many issues are wrong with the world, many people are complaining. im trying to offer solutions.


but it seems to me like a lot of you all want SOMEONE ELSE to take care of YOUR problems FOR YOU.


Doesnt work that way, for one, and for two, is part of the problems you're frequently complaining about!



you dont like the economy going in the direction it's headed? well TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for making a change!



That is all i ask, really, is that we start working together to make the world a better place, instead of placing blame, pointing fingers, and starting wars.

Yes, i know i blame everyone who isnt actively working toward making a better example, and that makes me a hypocrite for saying all that, but if i sit by and do nothing, i would be a hypocrite for even thinking there's a problem!

[RobPA]

then GTFO.



Cry your tears bleeding heart liberal, cry your tears and enjoy living on your commune!! I thought this Joker got banned already, now hes here under another name crying his heart out lol.

[Cederfern]

gotta reach the people somehow. if crying out my "bleeding liberal heart" is what it takes to pick up awareness, then so be it.



if you dont like it, petition to ban my I.P. address. but for those who actually have the courage to act to make a difference, yo ucan find me in myspace, and the RoL forums still.


if this is not the proper forum to promote and suggest freedom and the rights to free will, then take the proper action to deal with the "issue".

[RobPA]

gotta reach the people somehow. if crying out my "bleeding liberal heart" is what it takes to pick up awareness, then so be it.



if you dont like it, petition to ban my I.P. address. but for those who actually have the courage to act to make a difference, yo ucan find me in myspace, and the RoL forums still.


if this is not the proper forum to promote and suggest freedom and the rights to free will, then take the proper action to deal with the "issue".


LOL one minute you are going to profess freedom and liberty then the next tell me to GTFO of MY country? :wtf:

[daihashi]

gotta reach the people somehow. if crying out my "bleeding liberal heart" is what it takes to pick up awareness, then so be it.



if you dont like it, petition to ban my I.P. address. but for those who actually have the courage to act to make a difference, yo ucan find me in myspace, and the RoL forums still.


if this is not the proper forum to promote and suggest freedom and the rights to free will, then take the proper action to deal with the "issue".

It's not that it's the wrong forum.. it's that you come across as arrogant and condescending. Both people who are somewhat liberal and conservative have already replied and told you so in words less direct than what I just used.

The problem is with you and your approach to it.. not the ideal.

[RobPA]

It's not that it's the wrong forum.. it's that you come across as arrogant and condescending. Both people who are somewhat liberal and conservative have already replied and told you so in words less direct than what I just used.

The problem is with you and your approach to it.. not the ideal.

Agree 100%, as always, great post Daihashi.