For those of you who dont appreciate Lil' Wayne...

[Blaze097]

Listen to these songs when you are ripped you'll grow to like him or love him


Playing with fire
Let the beat build
Shoot me down
Lalala
I'm me
3 peat


I could go on and on, but those are the ones just off the carter III.

some one with an open mind let me know what you think.

[WhiskeyTango]

What about


I feel like Dying. SUPER trippy weezy song

[jimmy8778]

Listen to these songs when you are ripped you'll grow to like him or love him


Playing with fire
Let the beat build
Shoot me down
Lalala
I'm me
3 peat


I could go on and on, but those are the ones just off the carter III.

some one with an open mind let me know what you think.

good choices, I'm me is a great song.


What about


I feel like Dying. SUPER trippy weezy song

this is a great song, my friends and i overplayed it, but still a great one.
"On the marijuana fields you are so beneath my cleats."
"So high that i feel like...frying."
great song, so many sick lines.

[bobthenuker]

...I don't know, I don't like rap or hip hop, frankly I think it requires nil talent, I mean I don't see it as being music, and once you've taken a year long music history class and grew up on music you'll see what I mean, I mean speaking fast into a microphone with some beats...eh....but I guess you can say that I wouldn't Appreciate lil wayne or whatever the fuck his name is because he honestly is an imbecile, the way he acts among other things, I wouldn't call him talented or a musician, just a celebrity, so most of his songs are about what, clubbing, cars, guns?...videos with scanty dressed women I assume?

[overgrowthegovt]

...I don't know, I don't like rap or hip hop, frankly I think it requires nil talent, I mean I don't see it as being music, and once you've taken a year long music history class and grew up on music you'll see what I mean, I mean speaking fast into a microphone with some beats...eh....but I guess you can say that I wouldn't Appreciate lil wayne or whatever the fuck his name is because he honestly is an imbecile, the way he acts among other things, I wouldn't call him talented or a musician, just a celebrity, so most of his songs are about what, clubbing, cars, guns?...videos with scanty dressed women I assume?

Yeah, it takes talent to write the lyrics (if they're thought-provoking, which few of them are), and to improvize, but as for actual musicianship, it's empty. Not my thing either, man.

And yeah, even though rap's not my thing, I can tell the difference between the guys with feeling and the guys who want to make a buck....Lil' Wayne falls into the latter category.

[jimmy8778]

Yeah, it takes talent to write the lyrics (if they're thought-provoking, which few of them are), and to improvize, but as for actual musicianship, it's empty. Not my thing either, man.

And yeah, even though rap's not my thing, I can tell the difference between the guys with feeling and the guys who want to make a buck....Lil' Wayne falls into the latter category.

really, hes in it to just make money? i mean, lil wayne does rap himself, hes not much of a producer so someone else usually does that, but he has loads of talent. and its true, they arent really thought provoking, rarely are they deep, but i didnt really know that all music has to be an introspective masterpiece to be considered good. The point of rap/hip hop is to create some sick rhymes that flow with the beat and make sense in the song. Its about having something new, a beat, crazy lyrics that the other rappers dont have. It is a contest, you have to create new stuff to prove your the best, and lil wayne does that. Most of his rhymes are the freshest, and he has a knack for just pulling some of the craziest lines that really make you pull a double take on what he just said.

not to mention that lil wayne is a guitarist. i havent heard too much of his playing, but its not all that bad, listen to the new kevin rudolf song he is on that. that is a sick song, especially lil waynes part, he is crossing the barrier of rap/rock i would almost say. There were bands like linkin park that did so, but never a full rapper rapping over a broken rock beat in the middle of a song like that.

lil wayne like to take what is new to him, and apply it to his career/trade, and does so effectively, and if that isnt what talent is then i dont know what it would be.

[Stemis516]

just listened to all of those and the dude is still terrible

[CaptainDank]

Lil Wayne is ok, but his rapping pales in comparison to the legends. Listen to BIG's Ready to Die, or Nas's first album, illmatic, and Lil Wayne will seem like some schwagg :jointsmile:

[WhiskeyTango]

No one is saying, well, at least Im not that lil wayne is a LYRICIST. He is a dope ass rapper, got some good lines, but a lyricist he isnt. He is no Tupac, Biggie, Eminem, Taleb Quali to name a few. But weezys shit does ride out.

[seattlesmoke247]

I am more of a Mac Dre kinda guy, I am not feeling Lil Wayne and whenever I think of him I think of hundreds of little girls screaming... lol.

[elskeetro]

There are a lot of VERY talented hip hop artists. Most obviously, The Roots. Black Thought and ?uestlove are a dynamic duo that you can't deny.

Talib Kwali, Mos Def, KRS One. just a few obvious hard hitters with plenty of provocative lyrics.

As far as you taking a music history class and thinking it takes no talent...you are WAY OFF. Sure the computer age has made it easy for talentless posers to spread their filth. And money hungry record companies (who don't even listen to the music they produce) dump loads of money into promoting shit and repackaging the same product to stupid consumers. But there is a very large collection of very talented, very original hip hop/rap artists. And surely you know that without black music (Rock&Roll, jazz, Blues, Soul, Motown, R&B, etc...) well...all that would be left is classical and country western. Music today would be nothing at all without it's black history.

As far as rap is concerned, there are a handful of decent artists and songs...but i don't agree with the bragging, materialistic, and shallow content of the lyrics.

Music is subjective. So...to each, his own. But open minds are a must.

Skeet.

PS - shit i like and recommend:

Clipse - Lord Willin' (a little braggy, but they flow like water)
Pharrell & the Yessirs - Out of my mind (in my mind sucks balls)
The Roots - Any album...start with "things fall apart"
De La Soul - any album...
Tribe Called Quest - Any Album...
Dilated Peoples - Expansion Team is my fav.
Mos Def - Black on Both Sides and The New Danger
Saul Williams - Self Titled album. More poetry than hip-hop, but very provocative.
Gil Scott-Heron - All of it. He's brilliant and influenced every def poet/rapper/hip-hopper

sorry...that's all for now. flame away.

[bobthenuker]

This is why I don't like typing posts on the internet, meanings get misinterpreted...that's not your fault as much as mine because I don't really go in depth. I've been a musician since birth, my whole family for a few generations were musicians, I get a little critical about music b/c it means so much to me and has always been a large part of me. Now it's true you can listen to whatever you want, I'm not stopping you, but as for the class here's my point. In historical retrospect you seem to see an interesting trend, music nowadays (mind you not all) has been dumbed down to a laughable point. Mainstream music is more about image, putting out a clothes line, acting like a celebrity, and notice that hip hop has been the main fixture in that trend. You cannot deny that most (not all) of hip-hop and rap contain references to guns, being gangsters, bitches and hos, and more of that garbage. I mean I don't get it, you can see lil wayne or nelly or whoever the fuck else as being talented if you want, but really in retrospect personally I do not see them as being even a tiny bit talented as MUSICIANS, (musicians write music), especially compared to a shit load of past musicians, not just classical and in the past but many minds of today...let me just say this, no, I think it takes the simplest of minds to write hip hop and rap, yes a play on words and lyrics are a large part of all styles of music, but do not be so quickly fooled, even not so creative people and the simplest of minds can right fairly decent lyrics, that isn't the hard part. My friend if you were to look at all the brilliant musicians that this world has ever seen, musicians who transmitted their souls into their instruments, you would see, or at least I do, that the likes of any hip hop and rapper does not stand up one bit. Run Dmc is pretty cool, I heard immortal technique hes got some cool stuff but it isn't music, at least not in my eyes; just some beats here, some words there, some synchs there, done. I can't describe it over a post, but I whole-heartily believe it isn't. Yes I obviously am not picking out black people, I love the blues and jazz, and their contributions have been very important to music. As far rap and hip-hop, not so much.

[elskeetro]

...

I whole heartedly agree with 99% of that post. So we are on the same page. I meant no harm in the previous post, just throwin' in my 5 or 6 cents.

I also am a musician since birth. Most of my family are musicians and i am very aware when music lacks soul. I consider Rap and Hip-hop 2 different forms. Hip-hop...REAL hip-hop...in it's essence...is a revolution, no braggin, no bling, just an outcry birthed by a lot of injustice and need for change. Rap, which i consider hip-hop's "Commercial Cousin" is nothing more than advertising and killing. But then again...who the fuck am i? just some kid.

i don't really like a lot of rap. I can see where you think it takes no talent to create the music. Often times it is just loops of old tunes...but when it's right...it's right. I have discovered many amazing old R&B and Soul artists by searching out a loop's origin.

Then there are groups like The Roots who, for the majority, write and perform their music live. And they are all phenomenal players. If you haven't heard about it, check out the Philadelphia High School for the Creative and Performing Arts. A lot of those cats came from there, along with other artists like Boyz II Men (not my favs, but dripping with talent), Christian McBride, Joey DeFrancesco, and others.

I listen to all types of music, so i don't want to seem like some hip-hop enthusiast, it's probably makes up 10% of my collection. Lately i've been focusing on late 60's and early 70's Funk, R&B, and Soul. It moves me in a way i haven't felt in a very long time.

i'm babbling and totally off the OP topic. I agree with most of what you just said. But i like hip-hop and I don't think any/everyone can do it. In fact...most who are doing it, should stop IMO.

thanks. Sorry for any rustled feathers. Let's talk music again sometime.
Skeet.

[420_24/7]

No one is saying, well, at least Im not that lil wayne is a LYRICIST. He is a dope ass rapper, got some good lines, but a lyricist he isnt. He is no Tupac, Biggie, Eminem, Taleb Quali to name a few. But weezys shit does ride out.

I think a better term than lyricist is, rhyme artist. I love Lil Wayne because he has good beats and his lyrics rhyme well. It just makes for an aesthetically pleasing sound. Whether or not his lyrics make sense, or have meaning, they sound good and that's what really matters in music.

[420_24/7]

not to mention that lil wayne is a guitarist. i havent heard too much of his playing, but its not all that bad, listen to the new kevin rudolf song he is on that. that is a sick song, especially lil waynes part, he is crossing the barrier of rap/rock i would almost say. There were bands like linkin park that did so, but never a full rapper rapping over a broken rock beat in the middle of a song like that.

lil wayne like to take what is new to him, and apply it to his career/trade, and does so effectively, and if that isnt what talent is then i dont know what it would be.

Wayne is an amateur guitar player, if you can ever actually hear what he plays over the beats and everything, its not very good. He sounds like he has maybe a year of experience playing. He can't lay down a riff like he can a rhyme.

[overgrowthegovt]

I'm ridiculously high right now so bear with me...I'm not in any way saying that rap is inherently lousy or anything, I'm just saying the vast majority of the mainstream is, whether it be rap or modern rock or whatever. Most of us will agree that nowadays if you want to find quality stuff you have to dig a little deeper for it, get past the manufactured trash...and most people aren't at all willing to do that, as all they give enough of a shit to hear are the latest hits. So you have most people liking empty and amateurish (musicianship-wise) stuff, with a minority digging deeply for actual great stuff. What the people listen to really determines the musical spirit of an age, and since the rap everybody knows and listens to is horrible, as a genre that reaches the people it's basically a flop. Obviously in the early '90s it was a different story.

And of course there's skill involved, but really, it can't be compared to melodic singing or instrumentation...kudos to those rappers who incoprate those elements.

[headshake]

really, hes in it to just make money? i mean, lil wayne does rap himself, hes not much of a producer so someone else usually does that, but he has loads of talent. and its true, they arent really thought provoking, rarely are they deep, but i didnt really know that all music has to be an introspective masterpiece to be considered good. The point of rap/hip hop is to create some sick rhymes that flow with the beat and make sense in the song. Its about having something new, a beat, crazy lyrics that the other rappers dont have. It is a contest, you have to create new stuff to prove your the best, and lil wayne does that. Most of his rhymes are the freshest, and he has a knack for just pulling some of the craziest lines that really make you pull a double take on what he just said.

not to mention that lil wayne is a guitarist. i havent heard too much of his playing, but its not all that bad, listen to the new kevin rudolf song he is on that. that is a sick song, especially lil waynes part, he is crossing the barrier of rap/rock i would almost say. There were bands like linkin park that did so, but never a full rapper rapping over a broken rock beat in the middle of a song like that.

lil wayne like to take what is new to him, and apply it to his career/trade, and does so effectively, and if that isnt what talent is then i dont know what it would be.

the point of rap/hip-hop is to speak out against the injustices and wrongs going on. to increase peoples mental capacity, to open your eyes or perhaps provoke a different train of thought. sick rhymes aren't some shit someone made up or talking about "i have cars, money, drugs, guns, alcohol and hoes. it is our job, as consumers and listeners of music to decide what's good and what's bad. to find the truth if you will.

how many rappers talk about selling drugs and whatnot. makes no sense. why is it only drug dealers can rap? it's funny because when you hustle you don't want anyone knowing you or your business but once you rap about it that's all you talk about. come on. they are praying on consumers because they keep buying that crap. why do people pay to hear someone say "i have this or have that"? they are basically saying your money helped pay for my bently. you pay for someone to tell you that. whoa! music is way deeper than that. you pay to get motivated, uplifted or to gain some knowledge. and i'm not saying i don't like this type of rap. my scope is broad and wide.

most of these cats that are making this club music crap are being pimped by the biz. they don't care as long as they are getting paid. you probably like soulja boy too! i don't know about you but i call anyone that sings and dances a pop star.

hip-hop and music in general is way bigger than your narrow-minded view. you can just listen to it to be entertained, but there is a whole other level there. listen, just don't hear. that's any good, real music.

mos def has a rock band and is one of the sickest hip-hop artist there is. and people were doing it well before him. run dmc did "walk this way" way back in the day.

for people that don't dig hip-hop/rap, that's fine. but don't knock it for being talking over beats. it's called RAP music. to converse or talk. to rap. and don't let the crap you hear on the radio make up your mind. that's commerical crap. hip-hop is todays rock and roll! it's everywhere.

lil wayne has an okay song every know and then, but most of it sucks. he doesn't even show up for some of his shows because he's too gone off of that purple drank.

sorry for the rant but i take music real serious. if you want to be entertained go watch a 2 hour movie. good music is timeless! it always plucks at your soul when heard.

-shake

[420_24/7]

how many rappers talk about selling drugs and whatnot. makes no sense. why is it only drug dealers can rap? it's funny because when you hustle you don't want anyone knowing you or your business but once you rap about it that's all you talk about.

I think most rappers talk about selling drugs or doing whatever because they used to do it. Nobody that is as famous as these guys could get away with selling drugs.

[headshake]

I think most rappers talk about selling drugs or doing whatever because they used to do it. Nobody that is as famous as these guys could get away with selling drugs.

i'm aware of that. but some of them do get busted still hustling. my point was if you hustled as a means to an end and then start rapping to make a better life, then why talk about the old stuff you used to do. that's not what hip-hop is about. why would you not try to help people get out of bad siturations and give them motivation not rub thier nose in the fact that you have all this stuff and they don't.

and they wonder why people pirate music and movies. because they put out a crap product and people are tired of getting ripped off.

-shake

[bobthenuker]

Sorry for any rustled feathers. Let's talk music again sometime.
Skeet.

Just a friendly discussion man, no harm in that. I'm sorry if my views offend you, I'm very quick to the argument as you can tell. It's just that I see the garbage that is circulating the music scene today, and it makes me rather sick; obviously in music there are very few absolutes, and not all hip-hop is about drug-dealing and hos...but I'm fed up with it, all of it. (Don't even get me started on emo, a few chords and suddenly everyone's a multi-millionaire rockstar). You'd understand as a musician, when you have such an intense love for music, intense hate is the other side of the coin. The universe of music is a tricky thing to discuss, filled with many many opinions, since obviously not only musicians listen to music. My views may seem naive and hotheaded to many, and believe me I'm not someone that just listens to one genre, but someday I'm going to have to put into words just what I'm trying to say. For one thing though, I scorn those that do not put their lives into learning an instrument, putting their soul into it, even if the instrument is your beautiful moving singing, and go out and make millions of dollars to a public that just eats it up.

[suhl]

nothing has to be an introspective masterpiece to be good. fact is most of his songs are the same. simple beat, basic rhymes about one of five things or so, how high he gets, how much money he makes, how much the haters hate him, how much pussy he gets, and how much dope he sells. unless he doesnt rap about one of those things. that covers about every commercially successful rapper. i can't blame him, only his fans, for swallowing the same shitty pill time after time and keeping shit like that big while the good music goes unnoticed.

[Weelittlelasey]

Listen to these songs when you are ripped you'll grow to like him or love him


Playing with fire
Let the beat build
Shoot me down
Lalala
I'm me
3 peat


I could go on and on, but those are the ones just off the carter III.

some one with an open mind let me know what you think.

Im sorry but LIL WAYNE just sucks in every way. Play a beat from an old 80's hit and throw him a verse.

If you want to listen to actual lyrical rap try Aesop Rock or MF Doom

[SunnyD]

Artists I swear by:

A Tribe Called Quest
Us3
The Roots
Mac Dre
Biggie
Busta Rhymes
Andre 3000

Check those guys out for some tracks. All solid

I like lil' Wayne, but merely because his lines make laugh and that his beats do their job in the club. That's all

[StillFree]

Word! were on the same level about this. My people say Turn off the radio! MCs get a little bit of love and think they hot Talkin' 'bout how much money they got all y'all records sound the same I'm sick of that fake thug, R&B-rap scenario, all day on the radio same scenes in the video, monotonous material Y'all don't here me though These record labels slang our tapes like dope You can be next in line and signed and still be writing rhymes and broke You would rather have a Lexus? or justice? a dream? or some substance? A Beamer? a necklace? or freedom?

"Over 95% of people who think they live, love and know Hiphop, do not have the ability to see the difference between the original (Hiphop/soul) and the copy (Rap/pop)..." - A.C. the P.D.

Recognize, peace, and love.


nothing has to be an introspective masterpiece to be good. fact is most of his songs are the same. simple beat, basic rhymes about one of five things or so, how high he gets, how much money he makes, how much the haters hate him, how much pussy he gets, and how much dope he sells. unless he doesnt rap about one of those things. that covers about every commercially successful rapper. i can't blame him, only his fans, for swallowing the same shitty pill time after time and keeping shit like that big while the good music goes unnoticed.

[Junket]

rap DOES take skill.

lil wayne has none.

end thread

[ballsout]

lil wayne- kush
is a good song.
lil wayne- pussy money weed
is another good one because who doesnt want to listen to rap bout those three all
in one fucking awesome song

[Flstudio4512]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr_SZ3fDMKE

^^^^^

Above is 1/4th of Lil Wayne's 10,000 Bars MixTape this is, according to Wayne the last time he ever wrote his lyrics this is even mentioned in the Behind the Music special you can definitely tell the difference in the pace and patterns of this and what he raps nowadays this is the style I prefer, but this isn't the pattern featured in his most popular songs this is more "gangsta rap" in contrast to the "pop" style he uses in songs like Lolipop :pimp:

[mainegrown]

damn thats deep
ya'll gotta think my peeps
why you hate rap
do you think its crap?
or do you hate the fame
you all sound the same
hating on the money
i think thats funny
but they dont got da flows
and yall a bunch of hoes
just kidding, yo
keep it real
and lets make a deal
lil wayne's da man
at doin what he CAN!

~MG

[Italiano715]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5s24DyJoMY

{Weirdo}
Hate is in the building..
Farewell
Farewell
Farewell

Farewell
Farewell
Farewell

{Wayne}
Where my ol lady at?
Where my o-
Where-
(shes gone, shes gone)
Where-Where my ol lady at?
Where my o-
Where-
(shes gone, shes gone)

Where my ol lady IMa kill dat bitch
Where-Where my ol lady IMa kill dat bitch
Mane fuck dat hoe well ima kill dat bitch
WHEN I SEE DAT BITCH IMA KILL DAT BITCH

{T Streets}
Mane I aint neva need no bitch
tell her take everything dont leave yo shit
den i sent her by her momma told her i'll holla
time to get it poppin now im single like a dolla
im killin deez hoes da swag is a murder weapon
im wanted fuck around n get arrested
im martin tell a bitch get to steppin
good mornin brand new bitch fa breakfast
t streets wat dey call me
i neva met desperate dont know lonely
gone bout ya buisness let them otha hoes want me


Where my ol lady at?
Where my o-
Where-
(shes gone, shes gone)
Where-Where my ol lady at?
Where my o-
Where-
(shes gone, shes gone)

Where my ol lady IMa kill dat bitch
Where-Where my ol lady IMa kill dat bitch
Mane fuck dat hoe well ima kill dat bitch
WHEN I SEE DAT BITCH IMA KILL DAT BITCH (BITCH)

{Jae Millz}
My old bitch gone, my new bitch wit me
n she in the club lookin for a new bitch wit me
n truthly tonight i might have ya bitch wit me
she aint gone dive in that benz but she gone dip wit me
ol girl must thought millz was the next man
who knows where she at she prolly wit her ex man
no second guessin wats the next plan
new season back to the green like a jets fan
im bout money n dat attracts divas
you put a ring on her must a thought she was a keeper
but now dat girl gone like a fast balla cheetah

Farewell
Farewell
Farewell

Where my ol lady at?
Where my o-
Where-
(shes gone, shes gone)
Where-Where my ol lady at?
Where my o-
Where-
(shes gone, shes gone)

Where my ol lady IMa kill dat bitch
Where-Where my ol lady IMa kill dat bitch
Mane fuck dat hoe well ima kill dat bitch
WHEN I SEE DAT BITCH IMA KILL DAT (who you is?)

{Gudda}
East side gudda, add a nudda gudda
my bitch was actin up so i had to get anotha
pockets on full chips stack like pringles
cancel dat bitch buy anotha like nino
i lost one got ten moe callin
man women like flees cant shake them bitches off me
i have a new one ever mornin wit my coffee
im on dat sip n she love it when im off speed
so you not wanted like an offing
you nothing to me jus anotha dog bitch barking
no need to come back bitch you can keep walkinG

Farewell
Farewell
Farewell

Where my ol lady at?
Where my o-
Where-
(shes gone, shes gone)
Where-Where my ol lady at?
Where my o-
Where-
(shes gone, shes gone)

Where my ol lady IMa kill dat bitch
Where-Where my ol lady IMa kill dat bitch
Mane fuck dat hoe well ima kill dat bitch
WHEN I SEE DAT BITCH IMA KILL DAT BITCH

Where my ol lady IMa kill dat bitch
Where-Where my ol lady IMa kill dat bitch
Mane fuck dat hoe well ima kill dat bitch

Farewell
Farewell
Farewell...

[ForgetClassC]

What about


I feel like Dying. SUPER trippy weezy song



That song is intense, but always makes you feel like shit afterward.

-C

[Trip06]

maybe instead of "playing the game, trapped in the struggle" should have started an organization to rebuild his community. Maybe he should have started protests to demand state help. Instead of adding to a culture that glorifies ruining millions of peoples lives by getting people hooked on crack to pluff there pockets and walk around like the devils jestors. And then have the nerve to "sit back" on it all and try and write some deep meaning shit about how "we made it in the struggle". All hog wash. Its a cosmetic fake culture built on hate and destroys our moral. This will eventully bring the end of our society as generation after generation are hooked on materialism and boss hog control power trips. FAKE.

[Greenport]

"Im feeling like a black republican
tote the mac in the public and
act so souther-en
die for my brother and money
money money like money mac and publishin
one life to live never ask for a mulligan
streets cold but the heat make you feel covinent
been had cake day late like ed sullivan
fly like an eagle but no im not donovan
boy you betta go eat some soup witcha mom and them
and my mind is on another continent
I am real cash money no counterfit
I dont parking lot pimp I just politic
But I get all in her mouth like polident
New orleans representa to the enda
come to the city where the glitter dont glimma
The sun dont shine and the guns dont sleep
wake a ***** ass up like he got somewhere to be!

[MDFinest]

if I need to be ripped to like some1's shit thats even more of a testament to how much they suck