Marijuana safer than aspirin?

[LuciferN]

Here is a good article (http://www.onmarijuana.com/2007/03/24/marijuana-is-safer-than-aspirin/), best choice between aspirin and marijuana.

[LuciferN]

I Just don't really agree with the part saying it make you stupid for a little time...

[iamapatient]

It is safer than aspirin, in some ways, but marijuana does induce an altered state of consciousness and aspirin doesn't. That's why people shouldn't drive while under the influence.

[RamblerGambler]

Ironic, considering that aspirin and opiate based pain relievers were responsible for pushing cannabis to the periphery of medical science back at the turn of the 20th century.

[LuciferN]

It is safer than aspirin, in some ways, but marijuana does induce an altered state of consciousness and aspirin doesn't. That's why people shouldn't drive while under the influence.

That's for sure, people should never driver under the influence.
I like the picture (http://images.google.ca/images?hl=fr&q=don%27t%20drink%20and%20drive%20smoke%20and%20fl y&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi) saying don't drink and drive, smoke and fly! (but don't fly a plane! :P)

[VapedG13]

I'm on a asprin a day regiment 325 mg coated.....along with plavix. (blood thinners) because of angioplasy with stents

I dont think that MJ will have the same effect on my blood as asprin does ....thinning it out


....as far as MJ being a treatment for pain :thumbsup: Vape on!!!


I will let all you smokers who say smoking weed isn't as bad for you as Ciggs

Well I smoked pot since I was 13.... heavily since 25....smoking weed or ciggs causes plaque to build up in your arteries...which eventually cloggs the artery causing heart attack or angina.

I never smoked ciggs only weed

[leadmagnet]

Well I smoked pot since I was 13.... heavily since 25....smoking weed or ciggs causes plaque to build up in your arteries...which eventually cloggs the artery causing heart attack or angina.

I never smoked ciggs only weed

The more likely candidate for your problem was your diet.

[VapedG13]

The more likely candidate for your problem was your diet.

I doubt that ......I ate salads fruits meats and I was a landscaper...walked many miles every day behind a mower:D

5'10" 180lbs had a heart attack at 39:wtf:.......heart problems dont run in my family......I was probably smoking about 5-6 gs a day from a glass bong

I was told by my doctor and nurse not to smoke during the first 6 months after the stent placement because the artery has to grow over the stent

smoking will cause a plaque build up directly to the stent causing it to fail....thats why I only Vape and eat my herb

[killerweed420]

Kind of sounds like more junk science to me. Smoking causing plaque in the arteries? I doubt it.

[VapedG13]

I'm not here to debate right or wrong ....just regergetating what I was told

I know for a fact that my lungs feel alot better now...I'm not hackin up chunks (lung butter) anymore:thumbsup:

[BeefsMyFav]

I Just don't really agree with the part saying it make you stupid for a little time...

yeah i dont like that part either but i dont like some of the links to other articles below the article either On Marijuana | An inconvenient truth about smoking marijuana (http://www.onmarijuana.com/2007/04/23/an-inconvenient-truth-about-smoking-marijuana/)

[Revanche21]

I think this is complex question that needs to be considered in many different situations and aspects

overall I would say Marijuana might be more harmful than aspirin

but I don't want to get into the details just this second maybe later when I have time

[KingKronic420]

I think this is complex question that needs to be considered in many different situations and aspects

overall I would say Marijuana might be more harmful than aspirin

but I don't want to get into the details just this second maybe later when I have time

i will be checking back for these details. intrigued as to why you say that.

[420_24/7]

I'm on a asprin a day regiment 325 mg coated.....along with plavix. (blood thinners) because of angioplasy with stents

I dont think that MJ will have the same effect on my blood as asprin does ....thinning it out


....as far as MJ being a treatment for pain :thumbsup: Vape on!!!


I will let all you smokers who say smoking weed isn't as bad for you as Ciggs

Well I smoked pot since I was 13.... heavily since 25....smoking weed or ciggs causes plaque to build up in your arteries...which eventually cloggs the artery causing heart attack or angina.

I never smoked ciggs only weed

Plaque? Like the stuff that forms on your teeth when you don't brush them?
Since when is there plaque in smoke? There's tar in smoke, idk about plaque though. Also, how exactly would plaque be able to travel from you lungs to your arteries? This doesn't sound very true.

[MPLSweedman]

i'd like to quote the great Katt Williams to answer this

"people say weed is bad, but you can take 13 of them aspirin and itl be the last headache your ass will ever have!!"

[VapedG13]

Plaque? Like the stuff that forms on your teeth when you don't brush them?
Since when is there plaque in smoke? There's tar in smoke, idk about plaque though. Also, how exactly would plaque be able to travel from you lungs to your arteries? This doesn't sound very true.


theres alot of info on the net:thumbsup:

Clogged Arteries (Arterial Plaque) (http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/clogged-arteries-arterial-plaque)

I know cigg smoke and weed smoke are different.....main difference is nicotine

Nicotine May Be Bad for Arteries (http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20070914/nicotine-may-be-bad-arteries)

[RamblerGambler]

One of the main problems medical science has with cannabis is the smoking aspect. Go figure.

[LegalGanjaNow]

I do not know why we can not choose our way of taking medicine, or what medicine we wish to take. I do think MMJ is better then asprin if you do not have much to do, that is. On the driving thing many people actually drive better while high, like my father he usually drives fast and rides other peoples rear end, but when he is high he does exactly the speed limit and is a much safer driver.

[420_24/7]

theres alot of info on the net:thumbsup:

Clogged Arteries (Arterial Plaque) (http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/clogged-arteries-arterial-plaque)

I know cigg smoke and weed smoke are different.....main difference is nicotine

Nicotine May Be Bad for Arteries (http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20070914/nicotine-may-be-bad-arteries)

Basically what I got from those articles is, cigarette smoking may increase the rate of atherosclerosis, and nicotine can cause plaque buildup. Now this for one, has nothing to do with weed smoke, being that it does not contain nicotine. There's nothing in there about smoke in general causing plaque buildup.

[VapedG13]

Chemically, marijuana and tobacco smoke are quite similar, aside from their psychoactive ingredients: both arise from the combustion of leafy material, which produces a host of noxious gases and solid particulates, or tars, that are known to be hazardous to respiratory health.


Dating back to the British Indian Hemp Drugs Commission a century ago, observers have noted a high rate of bronchitis and other respiratory diseases among chronic ganja smokers in India, Jamaica and elsewhere;3 however, interpretation of the data has been clouded by the subjects' high rate of tobacco use, making it impossible to determine whether cannabis itself was responsible. This issue has been resolved thanks to modern clinical research by Dr. Donald Tashkin at UCLA, who has followed separate cohorts of marijuana-only, tobacco-only, marijuana-and-tobacco, and non-smoking subjects. Dr. Tashkin's work indicates that heavy daily marijuana smokers are more susceptible than non-marijuana smokers to respiratory disorders such as coughing, bronchitis, impaired lung immune function, and potentially precancerous cell changes.4

Vaping/oral injestion is the way to go...if your going to get high or take medicine daily..... might as well do it as healthy as possible.

The argument being legalization for medical reasons...why absorb weed/ medicine in a unhealthy manner........Vape ON!!!:vap_rasta:

[420_24/7]

Chemically, marijuana and tobacco smoke are quite similar, aside from their psychoactive ingredients: both arise from the combustion of leafy material, which produces a host of noxious gases and solid particulates, or tars, that are known to be hazardous to respiratory health.



Vaping/oral injestion is the way to go...if your going to get high or take medicine daily..... might as well do it as healthy as possible.

The argument being legalization for medical reasons...why absorb weed/ medicine in a unhealthy manner........Vape ON!!!:vap_rasta:

This is all kind of irrelevant to the discussion of cannabis smoke causing plaque buildup in the arteries.

[VapedG13]

This is all kind of irrelevant to the discussion of cannabis smoke causing plaque buildup in the arteries.


OK agreeing that cigg smoke and weed smoke are very similar....



Although experts donâ??t know for sure what starts atherosclerosis, the process seems to stem from damage to the arterial wall. This damage, which enables the deposition of plaque, may result from Cigarette smoke. Cigarette smoke seems to increase the rate of atherosclerosis in the arteries of the heart, legs, and the aorta -- the largest artery in the body

I realize that they arent 100% but why risk your health both forms of smoke contain similair toxins, producing similar health risks

[VapedG13]

I feel that since I aleady have plaque in my arteries... smoking for myself would only speed up the process.

[420_24/7]

I realize that they arent 100% but why risk your health both forms of smoke contain similair toxins, producing similar health risks

The other study you provided seemed to lean towards nicotine as the reason behind atherosclerosis caused by cigarette smoke.

[DdC222]

It is safer than aspirin, in some ways, but marijuana does induce an altered state of consciousness and aspirin doesn't. That's why people shouldn't drive while under the influence.

That altered state buzzword is poppycock. Cannabis and driving is safer than some straight nervous, elderly, licitly medicated or inexperienced drivers. Those prone to road rage might benefit and it's many times safer than booze. Driving while eating or texting or gabbing on cell phones are distractions causing problems. Prohibition is the risk in driving after toking. Plus the waste of money spending good buzz on traffic instead of relaxing at home. Inexperienced anything can be dangerous, but it isn't the Ganja, it's the user.

Binge Beer ad makes a point By Linda Frederick
NBC5 04/15/02

Liquid Drugs and Driving is the #1 cause of death for 18-24 year olds (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/432)

U.S. Department of Transportation,
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
(DOT HS 808 078), Final Report, November 1993
"THC's adverse effects on driving performance appear relatively small"

Cannabis use and Driving (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/623) 03/22/00

"THC's effects after doses up to 300 g/kg never exceeded alcohol's at BACs of 0.08 g% and were in no way unusual compared to many medicinal drugs (Robbe 1994). Yet THC's effects differ qualitatively from many other drugs, especially alcohol. Evidence from the present and previous studies strongly suggests that alcohol encourages risky driving whereas THC encourage greater caution, at least in experiments. Another way THC seems to differ qualitatively from many other drugs is that the former's users seem better able to compensate for its adverse effects while driving under the influence."
Hindrik W.J. Robbe
Institute for Human Psychopharmacology,
University of Limburg,
P.O. Box 616, 6200 MD Maastricht, The Netherlands

Cannabis and Driving (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109)

"Recent allegations by the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) that cannabis is a significant causal factor in on-road accidents and may adversely impact psychomotor skills up to 24 hours after past use are not supported by scientific evidence.
-- Allen St. Pierre."
NORML Executive Director

Paranoid Pot Smokers Drive More Carefully (http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread16445.shtml)

Alcohol Impairs Driving More Than Marijuana (http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread12299.shtml)

Cannabis May Make You a Safer Driver (http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread6717.shtml)

Cannabisnews Search Cannabis & Driving (http://www.cannabisnews.com/thcgi/search.pl?K=driving&H=40&T=t)

Cannabis & Driving by Erowid (http://ganja.com/v4/modules/zmagazine/article.php?articleid=21)

Positive Marijuana Result Not Associated With Auto Crash Culpability
September 29, 2005 - Baltimore, MD, USA
Marijuana use, as indicated by the presence of cannabis metabolites, is not associated with crash culpability among injured drivers, according to data presented at the annual conference of the Association for the Advancement of Automotive Medicine.
Read More... (http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread21152.shtml)

Executive Summary of Driving Impairment Effects of Alcohol & Cannabis (1994)

The influence of cannabis on driving (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_research1.shtmlUK)
TRL, Britain (PDF - 1.5MB)

Lords Report On Cannabis & Driving (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/uk_lords_report/ToxicEffects.shtml#4.6)

Pot Less Harmful Than Alcohol or Tobacco (http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/20/thread20448.shtml)

Cannabisnews Search alcohol (http://www.cannabisnews.com/thcgi/search.pl?K=alcohol&H=40&T=t)

Alcohol impairs driving more than marijuana (http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2063)

"A single glass of wine will impair your driving more than smoking a joint. And under certain test conditions, the complex way alcohol and cannabis combine to affect driving behaviour suggests that someone who has taken both may drive less recklessly than a person who is simply drunk."
- New Scientist March 2002

Marijuana Myth: "Marijuana Is A Major Cause Of Highway Accidents" (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth12.shtml)

MARIJUANA DOES NOT CAUSE RECKLESS DRIVING (http://tinyurl.com/bb5pq)
The White House Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) and certain Wisconsin legislators have launched a new crusade against "drugged driving," with a heavy emphasis on marijuana. This crusade is largely based on scientific misinformation, and it could lead to the enactment of bad laws.

US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Reports

Marijuana And Actual Driving Performance (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_driving4.shtml)
- by Robbe, NHTSA, 1993

Marijuana Use And Driving (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_driving3.shtml) by Robbe 1994

Marijuana And Actual Driving Performance (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_driving5.shtml)
- by Robbe, NHTSA, 1999

Marijuana & Alcohol Combined Increase Impairment (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_driving2.shtml) - NHTSA 1999


Chemically, marijuana and tobacco smoke are quite similar, aside from their psychoactive ingredients: both arise from the combustion of leafy material, which produces a host of noxious gases and solid particulates, or tars, that are known to be hazardous to respiratory health.

Vaping/oral injestion is the way to go...if your going to get high or take medicine daily..... might as well do it as healthy as possible.

The argument being legalization for medical reasons...why absorb weed/ medicine in a unhealthy manner........Vape ON!!!:vap_rasta:

You're obviously selling vaporizers. More bunk that chemical cigarettes are equal to Ganja. Organic tobacco maybe. But then it doesn't have the expectorant properties. Vapes suck for me but I have one for patients. But not because of hype concerning tars that have no carcinogens or the other drug czar Nahas hogwash. Not since the chemical adulterations starting in the early 20th century has there been a problem. Growing poisons and then added for your smoking pleasure. Thousands of years of real live people not being harmed don't need to BS. Governments and Sales do. Don't!

Weâ??ve Cut Cigarette Smoking (http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread24314.shtml) by Half By Paul Armentano
CN Source: AlterNet November 17, 2008 USA

Imagine that. In the past 40 years, tens of millions of Americans have voluntarily quit smoking a legal, yet highly addictive intoxicant. Many others have refused to initiate the habit.""
-- Paul Armentano (http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/107323/)

Thanks Paul, but seriously, I hope you realize the Ganjawar is on purpose, for profits and control. Trying to disprove nonsense is as tricky as trying to predict what will confuse the public and therefore needs censorship. Nothing, but thats another story.

Let's not become reefer mad republicans over tobacco! Cigarettes are the problem, not tobacco. Native Americans, Egyptians and Turks, etc., have all used organic tobacco for hundreds and even thousands of years. No problem mon. Just since the 20's and American adulterations causing the cancers, nerve and organ damage. From the very same Tom Delay chemical corporations spreading poisons over the farmlands of America. Subsidiaries of the Pharmaceuticals, seem they get ya coming and going. Major Drug War Brokers and Lobbyists.

Same chemicals used on many Ganja and Hemp synthetic alternatives forced upon the market as they forced prohibition on the people. 90 million pounds on US cotton, not my hemp blue jeans. Tons on the 12# of grain for each pound of exported meat. Not on hempseed. Rx Ganja and Booze Inc. need no mention as most know their rabid reefer madness fear of competition. Add the Casino's afraid stoners would just stay home and not throw their paychecks into one armed bandits. The fossil fools knowing any of their poison hydrocarbons can be replaced by carbohydrates and Hemp has the most versatility to do the job.

From textiles to plastic to lubrication, paints and without much if any chemicals to grow it. Pesticides based in crude oil can be based in veggie oil too. Farmers vs Bush Laden's OPECers. Paper and wood instead of clear cutting old growth forests. But I know Wallstreet has it's Enron ethics and scruples to prevent scandle, and that Free Speech media we have would never cover up their owners creative book keeping or why we've killed 4000+ kids fighting for Haliburdon and Dyncorps... Mission Accomplished. So why would they lie about Ganja and Hemp?

Arno's Corporatism (http://i38.tinypic.com/3585v2p.jpg)
Ganja/Hemp "The Other White Meat" (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1092)
Wall street's Spontaneous Abortionists (http://tinyurl.com/pesticideabortionists)

Tobacco "Products" sold with hundreds of chemicals, not in tobacco, the nontaxable vegetable. Only by "changing it" into a man made fabrication can the politikans get taxes. Flame retardants and burn enhancers added... ya think lighting them and sucking up the smoke might be detrimental to health? Wonder why it's never mentioned? Another ends justifying means? Get prohibition at any cost or rather at any profits and taxes. Nothing ever mentioned. Just go along with the false comparisons the same as Education Ax Souder or Waldo Pee propaganda. What is the point, too outlaw tobacco? Still just lies.

Nicotine in tobacco is a small amount and not a problem to health.
It may be addictive but that's about it. Used for Leaves are being tested for Parkinson treatment. The papers and filters and flavors and colors for Ronnie Rayguns smoking pleasure. All chemical additions, not in tobacco and certainly not added to Ganja. Now or forever I hope. No comparison.

The Liberal prohibitionists are only hurting the poor. Raising the prices of "cigarettes" so they can only afford the generic brands. Cheaper floor sweepings with even more chemicals and even more damage down the road and even more expense for tax payers. Who gripe about a $100 of food stamps going to someone but nothing about the $35,000.00 to incarcerate them for stealing food. We're still our own worse enemy. Politikops just take advantage of it.

Prohibition is the addiction and the disease (http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/107323/?cID=1060227#c1060227), that is our fight, not imitating Fascists substituting products. I've smoked camel straights since 67, Ganja since 69. As an expectorant and lung cleaner I would advise any use of tobacco "products" be in conjunction with Ganja.

The Ganja has kept me healthy from the cigarettes, and the cigarettes keep me from coughing on the chronic. Unfortunately a hazard of prohibition and nosey neighbors. Excessive coughing as probable cause? Hey it's the Ganjawar. Last year the X-rays showed no damage. Probably smaller lung capacity for long distance running, but I'm not a Buffalo. I have machines for that.
Go figure...
Peace, Love and Liberty or the Merchants of DEAth!
DdC

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Cancer risk in relation to radioactivity in tobacco (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/443/t/Cancer-risk-in-relation-to-radioactivity-in-tobacco.html) 01/11/02

Organic Cannabis/Tobacco vs Chemical Cigarettes (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/444/t/Organic-Cannabis-Tobacco-vs-Chemical-Cigarettes.html) 01/11/02

Tobacco Radioactive, Pot Safer! (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/529/t/Tobacco-Radioactive-Pot-Safer.html) 12/07/00

CANNABIS AND TOBACCO (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/583/t/CANNABIS-AND-TOBACCO.html) 06/14/00

Costa Cannabis Test Tobacco vs Cannabis (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/forums/12) 07/02/00

"Users in our matched-pair sample smoked marijuana in addition to as many tobacco cigarettes as did their matched non-using pairs. Yet their small airways were, if anything, a bit healthier than their matches. We must tentatively conclude either that marijuana has no harmful effect on such passages or that it actually offers some slight protection against harmful effects of tobacco smoke"
Cannabis in Costa Rica:
A Study of Chronic Marijuana Use; Institute of Human Issues.

Happy seniors... (http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/blogs/static/dowbrigade/spliff.jpg)

Aspirin kills 2000 people a year. Ganja = zero.
Ganja is safer than potatoes...

According to testimony before the US Congress by Dr. Andrew Weil, "a smoker would have to theoretically consume nearly 1500 Pounds of marijuana within about 15 minutes to induce a lethal response." By comparison, he adds that "eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a toxic response," and that aspirin "causes hundreds if not thousands of deaths each year."

Cannabis less harmful than aspirin (http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/552)

"Tetrahydrocannabinol is a very safe drug," he said. "Despite the
widespread illicit use of cannabis here are very few if any instances of people dying from an overdose. Even such apparently innocuous medicines as aspirin and related steroidal anti-inflammatory compounds are not safe.

"Thousands of people die every year because of the tendency of these drugs to cause catastrophic gastric bleeding."

[Bongboy89]

Yes weed is a god compared to aspirin... and even to vicadin! I got my wisdom teeth pulled and it hurt like hell afterwards, than i took about two Vicadin ES's and the pain was about the same... I know your not supposed to smoke after getting teeth pulled but I smoked a fat bowl out of my bong anyways... THE PAIN WENT COMPLETLY AWAY and i did not have a single problem with my teeth...

Simply put pot is the best none-addictive medicine... FOR ANYTHING!

"You dont smoke weed... Not even in the mornings? its the best Medicine... for anything"
-Seth Rogan, Knocked up

[silkyblue]

the phatter you are the higher your cholestero,l facto mungo

high cholesterol that my friends comes from eating

too many twinkies and soda chips' they will kill ya ass dead


if its from the Earth eat it'

its reccomended for long healthy lives

our daily diet


should always be from the Earth

roasted veggies, evoo, 'The Floyd ' [dvd's], on the Sunday afternoons, clean veggies

yumm

ahh the life

[tokingfool]

I love smoking weed. I have a nice 4 ft glass bong call her Deb:rastabong:

A friend of mine came over the other day and we tried something to see if water will filter smoke from the weed. If you put a piece of a paper towel or a napkin inbetween your lips and your bong, pipe or joint, whever you do to get high and draw your hit through the napkin, after a couple of hits look at the yellow and brown residue that the napkin filters out:wtf:NASTY

I'm not going to quit smoking:stoned: but WOW we are inhaleing all that crap into our lungs

[leadmagnet]

Hell, only around 2000 people die per year from heroin overdoses. And that is in an environment where people are often buying a drug of unknown purity and dosage in a black market environment and a substance with serious overdose potential.

[Weedhound]

One of the main problems medical science has with cannabis is the smoking aspect. Go figure.

Picking up on what lead said......the main reason......according to my cancer doctor....is that mj MUST be standardized before it will even be considered safe to use for immune compromised patients. That's number one and it goes back to what lead said about the "poorness" of the product. As a lung cancer patient I can guarantee you that mj smoke irritates the lungs. I've tried it myself so won't be bothered to answer q's or argue with folks who really in no way have ever been involved with mmj and/or a serious illness. For the record I am recovering alcoholic who almost died during rehab 14 years ago and now face (I'm told) a very shortened life due to lung cancer. Everyone else who's been through more raise your hand and I will honestly listen to what you have to say. The rest is just chatter.

Don't get me wrong....I'm not saying mj CAUSED my cancer....cigerettes did and that's been firmly established. But don't tell me that dragging shit into your lungs.......especially those who BUY rather than grow their own......is somehow healthy or even JUST OK in ANY situation.

I read an article about a cancer patient who died from a fungus in the weed they ingested....mostly due to being immmune-compromised. And when you buy it......do you know who grew it? What they used? Are there bugs or molds in it? How do you know its even safe to smoke or use at all?? What about pesticides and when were they last put on your weed?

All these things would have to be solved before it would REALLY be accepted medically and much of the baloney that surrounds cannabis comes from us users ourselves. The silliness of statements like 'it's completely harmlesss" and "it cures EVERYTHING" do NOT help our cause, believe me.

[DdC222]

MUST be standardized before it will even be considered safe

WAMM has been cloning plants to get consistent results through trial and error and patient feedback to establish what strains work best. Your doctor works for the AMA, what else would they say?

WAMM (http://www.wamm.org)

Chapter 7 - THERAPEUTIC USE OF CANNABIS (http://www.jackherer.com/chapter07.html)

There are more than 60 therapeutic compounds in cannabis that are healing agents in medical and herbal treatments. The primary one is THC, and the effectiveness of therapy is directly proportionate to the herbâ??s potency or concentration of THC.

Lung Cleaner & Expectorant (http://www.electricemperor.com/eecdrom/HTML/EMP/07/ECH07_08.HTM#expectorant)
Cannabis is the best natural expectorant to clear the human lungs of smog, dust and the phlegm associated with tobacco use.

Therapeutic Emphysema Potential (http://www.electricemperor.com/eecdrom/HTML/EMP/07/ECH07_10.HTM#emphysema)
Medical research indicates that light cannabis smoking might be useful for a majority of mild emphysema victims. It would improve the quality of life for millions of sufferers and extend their life spans.

Why You Should Smoke More Pot Aug '08 (http://www.topix.net/forum/source/ukiah-daily-journal/T9H80L9RO01V0GUE5)

Killing bacteria with cannabis Aug 29 (http://www.topix.net/forum/source/ukiah-daily-journal/TNNJ1QS256JOBFMIU)


That's number one and it goes back to what lead said about the "poorness" of the product.

More bunk. Ignorance can be cured. Poorness depends on using the proper medications. First, leaves are not smokable with only 30% THC. Or sticks and stems. So much for government grown schwagg. Buyers clubs use only buds. No problem with quality assurance. More hype because there just has to be something wrong with it, it's illegal! Nixon lied.

Nixon lied to schedule Ganja #1 (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=459)


irritates the lungs

It is supposed too in order to expectorate the toxins. Only the large airways, not the small. But having lung cancer getting irritation is a tad bias that everyone would suffer. Ganja is a preventive. Maybe a cure.

The Tree of Life (http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=wwwdrugwar&Number=1165859)


I am recovering alcoholic

You know what they say about converts...


Don't get me wrong....I'm not saying mj CAUSED my cancer....cigerettes did and that's been firmly established. But don't tell me that dragging shit into your lungs.......especially those who BUY rather than grow their own......is somehow healthy or even JUST OK in ANY situation.

Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew In '74 (http://www.mapinc.org/newscc/v01/n572/a11.html)
The Madrid study marks only the second time that THC has been administered to tumor-bearing animals. In 1974, researchers at the Medical College of Virginia, who had been funded by the National Institutes of Health to find evidence that marijuana damages the immune system, found instead that THC slowed the growth of three kinds of cancer in mice -- lung and breast cancer, and a virus-induced leukemia. The DEA quickly shut down the Virginia study.

You are wrong. Blaming Ganja for ignorance of buyers not growing, what? Dude, Ganja is or it is not, period. No victims then either they used schwagg or leaves or male plants but it is not Ganja buds. So after ten thousand years of use you might think the Biz Czar could come up with one or two actual victims. With real names and addresses. You have it in your head its bad smoke or all smoke is bad and all the science in the world won't change that, or would anyone want to. You have to decide and you should be fair to yourself and decide after an informed decision. Satevex is atomizing a plant extract and former ass x DEA Barthwell is selling it. The same quotes were given by her before she got the job. Still pushing the bad smoke to Canada, leaving her product as the only answer. Thats why they call it Fascism, Government business leaving out the individual entrepreneurs. Unkle Scam patented some cannabinoids. For preaching no medical value 40 years that seems rather odd.

Con Flicts of Interest Bush Barthwell & Drugs (http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=142)


Health regulators have sent an uncompromising message that smoked cannabis will not be approved for use by MS sufferers, leaving the way open for GW's under-the-tongue spray version of the drug.

Former Deputy Drug Czar Andrea Barthwell (http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2005/04/20/andreaBarthwellSnakeOilSal.html) is the new spokesperson for getting GW Pharmaceuticals' Sativex approved for use in the United States. Bayer and GW Pharmaceuticals announce marketing agreement on pioneering new cannabis-based treatment.

"The people who are advancing marijuana as a medicine are perpetuating a cruel hoax that exploits our compassion for the sick. They are using patients' pain and suffering in an attempt to change America's drug control policy. Marijuana is a crude plant product that most definitely is not a medicine."
Andrea Barthwell - Former Deputy Drug Czar (Bush II)

Government patents cannabinoids? No Medical Value? (http://www.topix.net/forum/source/ukiah-daily-journal/TK2GGQ9DU4SFDDC87)


I read an article about a cancer patient who died from a fungus in the weed they ingested

Come on, that old shit. I thought this might be a challenge. Dude contaminants were cured decades ago with simple heat treatments before toking. If you can't swallow pills smoke is an effective way to get medicine into the system. And again, no one was harmed by tobacco before chemicals were added to cigarettes. Not added to Ganja. To disregard this nuisance to drug worriers is false and shows desperation trying to find something to justify you not smoking. Don't. It ain't like it's addictive or something. But why anyone would try to stop me is beyond reason.

Microbiological contaminants of marijuana (http://www.hempfood.com/IHA/iha01205.html) by J. M. McPartland
Vermont Alternative Medicine, 53 Washington Street, Middlebury, VT 05753, USA.

Levitz and Diamond (1991) suggested baking marijuana in home ovens at 150o C, for five minutes before smoking. Oven treatment killed conidia of A. fumigatus, A. flavus and A. niger, and did not degrade the active component of marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC).


All these things would have to be solved

They were, and they are good points for potential users with problems. Besides drinking Bang you can eat it and I've heard of suppositories. But it is a long way from reefer madness theories. Now go ask your doctor why he wasn't taught about the Cannabinoid system and the THC receptors and transmitters in everyone. Or the various cannabinoids with only Delta 9 getting you high. The only one used in fake Merdeinol. Atomizers release the lower temp cannabinoids. But that doesn't mean getting high is harmful or eliminate the properties of opening smaller bronchial airways for Asthma patients. Or as stated the expectorant preventing cigarettes from landing on delicate tissue causing the acid environment to breed cancer. Get your body alkaline dude.

Lingering THC Metabolites (http://www.electricemperor.com/eecdrom/HTML/EMP/15/ECH15_04.HTM#lingering)
Government's Own Experts Say That Metabolites Are
Non-Toxic, Harmless Residue

Lung Damage Studies (http://www.electricemperor.com/eecdrom/HTML/EMP/15/ECH15_05.HTM#lung)
Not One Documented Case of Cancer
However, unlike tobacco smoke, cannabis smoke does not cause any changes in the small airways, the area where tobacco smoke causes long term and permanent damage. Additionally, a tobacco smoker will smoke 20 to 60 cigarettes a day, while a heavy marijuana smoker may smoke five to seven joints a day, even less when potent high-quality flower tops are available.

Studies the Feds Donâ??t Talk About (http://www.electricemperor.com/eecdrom/HTML/EMP/15/ECH15_11.HTM#studies)

The Coptic Study (1981) (http://www.electricemperor.com/eecdrom/HTML/EMP/15/ECH15_11.HTM#Coptic)
Some Studies the Feds Don't Talk About
No Harm to Human Brain or Intelligence


The silliness of statements like 'it's completely harmlesss" and "it cures EVERYTHING" do NOT help our cause, believe me

No one said it cured everything. Ignorance is alive and well as we can see. Denying or speculating reefer madness "theory" is what hurts the cause. Whatever "the cause" is. I bring research. take it or leave it. You bring antidotes, once upon a time news stories you read and AMA hypothesis. Hey why not ask Waldo Pee? I choose to leave it.

The Official Story
Debunking "Gutter Science" (http://www.jackherer.com/chapter15.html)

The Emperor Wears No Clothes (http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html)
Book Chapters

[Weedhound]

I'm sorry....I missed where any of this is your personal experience....you know....the part where the doctor is looking at YOU and talking about YOUR death and not just some unknown anybody... ....could you please tell me again about YOUR personal experience with any of the things I've listed?

Clinical depression
Lung Cancer
Alcoholism

Otherwise...... simply noise........sorry to so rude about it (and I know I am) but I'm too short on time to waste it on those who haven't been there themselves.

Have a good one.

[silkyblue]

weedhound,


Im sorry you had cancer (


Otherwise...... simply noise........sorry to so rude about it (and I know I am) but I'm too short on time to waste it on those who haven't been there themselves.




I think we undertsand more than you think man

never give up )