New grow show. Scrog with CFL's. Need input!

[jdsoil]

Hi everyone!
Been trying to get get some good buds going since June. My first attempt withered away 2 weeks into flowering because of a mishap with a home recipe for insect control. I had a favorite plant that I took a clone from and now am back into the swing of things.
After the clone started taking off I let it veg for 6 weeks under a 2x4ft screen. I was concerned about the plant getting pot bound in its 3.5 gal pot so I switched it into flower when the screen was about 50% full. After the stretch it looks like the screen is about 70% full. It is now into week 3 of flowering and it is looking wonderful with about 150 bud sites 1/2in-4in tall. The plant was really quick to get into flowering and is already showing lots of flower production.
Do the buds get taller through flowering or do they stay the same height after the "stretch"???
The setup is a basement storage room grow with 18-23 watt cfls. Heat is an issue, gets to be 85+ sometimes but no apparent change in plant behavior.
Should I make the higher temps an issue or just keep things as they are? What are the drawback of high heat in flowering?
Any input would be wonderful!!!
;)

[stoned88911]

lets see some pics.

85 is hot but it can take it.

[jdsoil]

pics huh? don't I need to get up to fifty posts? if their is another way let me know and I will try to upload some tomorrow.

[jdsoil]

here is a link to a pic on photobucket. Picture took first week into flowering. Enjoy!

http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp65/jdsoil/100_4648.jpg

[keeko]

looks great. If your able to get the temps down your plants would appreciate it more. Ive noticed my plants slow down growth when it gets to be too hot.

[jdsoil]

Yeah I got to do some brainstorming but better ventilation is the next task at hand. I want them to grow as best as possible.

[keeko]

im pulling up a chair, keep us updated

[southerntoker]

nice set up bruddah..btw i have 17 post and i post pics

[GoldenGraham84]

yo man-

posting pics... click Go Advanced under the quick reply text box, then scroll down to Manage Attachments. from there you can upload pics.

flowers getting taller... here's a link for ya... its more about keeping headroom under control but it explains the 40% stretch/60% fattening thing. hope that answers that for ya. LINK--->CannaStats - The 40/60 Phenomena (http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/4060.htm)

[jdsoil]

thanks goldengraham, I think my plant doesn't stretch much, either strain type or maybe lack of light...maybe even my higher temps... I have only noticed maybe a two inch increase over the last two weeks. wa wa waaaaaa!

[GoldenGraham84]

perhaps thats something to do with the training involved with scrog? hopefully some veteran scroggers can help you with that question, cause i can't. just raising more questions, damn me...

[jdsoil]

okay, just installed a 500cfm fan and the temps are 82 as a high with all 18 cfl's burning, will upload some pictures of their progress later.

[serpentine5]

You added a fan in the room, or is it pulling air in from a cooler location?
Cross ventilation would help out with the heat.... pull cooler air in from another location, and allow it out of the grow area opposite of where it comes in.
You have 18 23watt cfl's in there.... all across the top? or on the sides and back as well?
Can you post a pic of how you have your lights set up for me? Looks like you have bathroom vanity light bars in there....?

[jdsoil]

Day 25 into flowering and looking good. I installed a 500cfm exhaust fan and have a 250 cfm intake fan directed towards the canopy to bring down the temperature to around 80 degrees. Now a new problem/concern, the humidity is around 35% will it just dry out quicker or is their any other problems with low humidity? The light is three six socket vanity lights with a hood built from that reflective insulation. I run 12-2700Kelvin 23watt, 5-6500Kelvin 26watt, and 1-3000kelvin 40watt above project X on the right.
Do the math and it is 29,800 lumens @ 446watts total. The tube connected to the hood is for a planned venting system.

[serpentine5]

Bro, I gotta tell ya.... those new pix you posted... she is looking damn fine.... she was my daughter I would be keepin a loaded shot gun by the door....
Hard to believe that the canopy is just one single plant....

From the first pic, of the top view of the lights where you can see the vent hose... I am guessing she is not in a grow box? If she isnt in a self contained box, how are you protecting her from light leakage during the dark 12?

Where are you buying your CFLs? I shop for my household CFLs mainly at wally world, and the highest wattage CFL I can find there is like a 65 equivalent output in the shape you have.... I can get 100 watt equivalent in a floodlight but not in the spiral. Home Depot or Lowes? And how do you know the lumins? I am looking at a package for some household CFLs and it doesnt say anywhere on the packaging.

Anyways.... Great job so far.... hope she smokes as well as she looks!

[jdsoil]

I think larger watt cfl bulbs put out more heat than multiple smaller watt bulbs, they take up less room too. I am dedicated to running the smaller ones. If your going to buy bulbs look for a Kelvin temperature and lumen rating, if they don't list it don't bother. You can find the 6500 kelvin 26watt GE at walmart. The other ones I got at a local hardware store. Those bulbs are Sylvanias. Try looking online for an economy pack for the sylvanias, great price for great lighting. As for the room it is just a 4x6x7 in a dark corner of the basement where no outside light enters. Thanks for the interest. Are you doing or planning a CFL grow serpentine?

[GoldenGraham84]

looking great jd. droppin jaws all over. well done, sir.

[jdsoil]

Thanks goldengraham, hope all the yummy buds just keep getting bigger and bigger. Going off that info you gave me they shounld start plumping up soon.

[LuciferN]

Hard to believe that the canopy is just one single plant....

Really amazing, how did you manage to get this canopy ?

[jdsoil]

LuciferN~
To get the canopy as such I had a long veg time, like 6-8 weeks, can't really remember, with a plant that has really bushy characteristics.
I took the clone and rooted it in a jiffy cube and once it rooted I put it in its pot you see today. The screen is eight inches from the top of the soil so when the plant got about 6 inches I topped the plant to promote side growth. Once the side shoots started growing well I topped them with the FIM technique, seeming I am new to it all I think I only had three successful FIM tops out of 12 attempts. Practice makes perfect.
Then it was time to sit back and let mother nature do its work. I would let it grow for a week and see the branch tips rise up through the canopy. I would then take the branch tips and pull them through the next screen hole making sure they were even and distributed through out the screen. You really need to plan on how the plant is going the grow, where it is going to be dense or sparse, and how many budsites per screen hole(I'd say 3-6 at most or if it is a cola try for only 2 per screen hole). If you can't tame a branch using the screen only, use plastic coated twist ties to hold it to the screen.
One thing that I did that some might shun me for is fan leaf removal. I removed around 10% of the fan leaves which obstructed light from budding sites around 3 weeks before flower. I also removed all vegetative growth from under the screen 4 weeks before flower to put all the plants energy into the growth above the screen. I tried not to prune in flowering as I hear that it will diminish yield and vigorous growth.
If in flowering and you see fan leaves blocking budsites, get those fan leaves out of the way! Try pulling or tucking them under the screen. The best part of a SCROG is that it is so hands on. It is really fun making the plant do what you want it to do.
After you send it into flower you will want to do one more taming session after the plants "stretch". Expose as many bud sites as you can to direct light by pulling fan leafs under the screen and arrange buds evenly. It took me around an hour and a half to do my final tame.
Hope that answers your question Lucifer!

[LuciferN]

Yes indeed, work time pay off, I'm quite sure you'll get a nice result.

[jdsoil]

Here is a picture of my first attempt. They all started from seeds from good knugs. I took cuttings from #6 as this plant had the best SCROG characteristics.

[jdsoil]

Anybody use Jack's Classic bloom fertilizer?

[GoldenGraham84]

3 days, no responses. i'd say thats a no. sorry jd.

[jdsoil]

wa wa waaaaaaa... Well its a new day and the plants are getting a little more bud structure. No other real noticeable changes.
I see that most of my leaves are kinda curling downward. Is this something to deal with nutrient deficiencies?

[jdsoil]

Checked the plants and they are looking wonderful. Tons of new bud structure and project-X is looking like someone had fun with powdered sugar... Amazing! I took some clones for next grow, one to keep as a mother, three others to throw under the screen. My other mother plant, a project-X also, has yet to be cloned.
I germinated the seeds the 5th of September, could I take clones from a 2 1/2 month old plant or should I wait longer?

[GoldenGraham84]

stoppin in to thank you for following my pre-grow.
i have heard that downward curling leaves are nute deficiency, but i'm not fully convinced that detecting it would be that simple as to look at a leaf.
as far as the 2.5 month old plant and it being able to be cloned... has it showed sex yet? once they're sexually mature, you can take clones.

thanks again for lookin in on mine; i know i'll follow this one through till harvest. good luck and stay safe.
-GG84

[jdsoil]

Thanks Golden, the mother plant was from feminized seeds and is showing sex, maybe I will give it a try today and see if anything happens. I will only be out a few branch tips if cloning doesn't work right? :)

[jdsoil]

Thanks for stopping by Golden. The mother plant is from feminized seeds so I am sure it is a female. As for sex, well, its showing pre-flowers and alternate branching, so I guess its ready. I will try a couple cuttings today then. If it doesn't work I am only out a few branch tips right? :jointsmile:

[jdsoil]

Any ideas on when to cut the nutes and start to flush on a bag seed strain whose flowering time is unsure of???

[Lit Up]

Hey jd, hows it goin you fellow Iowan you?

As for your girl, looking at the pics in post 14 she looks root bound IMO.

The reason I say this is the leaves all appear to be in "canoe" form with all the fingers curling downward. Secondly, you said you noticed that she hasn't been growing as fast as usual. This could be because she is through the "stretch" also too.

Don't think a transplant would be possible with the scrog, plus your 30+ days into flower now. But she looks great overall and I hope it turns out for ya.

Not sure on the flush, I try to flush about 2 weeks before harvest or earlier if I think she needs 2.

BTW what part of Iowa are you from? You don't have to be too specific if you don't want to. Right now I'm up in the North central/western part finishing up my last year of school. About 2 hrs. north of Des Moines.

Anyhoo, looks like you got your shit together. If you wanna see some pics of my last grow just let me know, got some beans from Cali. and they were GGGGGrrrreat! as Tony would say. Peace bro.

[jdsoil]

I listened to your advice about the plant being root bound. Didn't want to fuck around with a lower yield so I busted out the wire cutters and trimmed the screen. It was root bound, not severely, but still root bound. I disturbed the roots as little as possible so we will see how i t goes, hopefully well. So now I am doing a LST grow...lol
Still need to do some more training but otherwise all is good.
Lit Up~ I am in the north eastern part of the state, by the Mississippi. Thanks for steering me in the right direction!

[Lit Up]

Good, good, I hope she perks up for ya. I like that bubble wrap insulation, I use the same stuff, got it when I ran the pig farms awhile back. I'm using the white side but prob flip it to shiny side next time around, but it prob won't make too much of a difference.

[Lit Up]

This thread appears to be Iowa dominate hehe. Good to see Graham is flying the flag these days.

JD - hows she doing?

[konvikt419]

thats amazng man when i get a larger room im definatley trying that good luck :jointsmile:

[GoldenGraham84]

yeah, i'm southwest. just outside keokuk. i could probably spit into missouri. or illinois.

[jdsoil]

Well it is day 33 into flowering and all is looking good, well it looks like a big mess of buds without the screen, but I can't bitch too much about a "big mess of buds" can I?

The leaves are looking really light green and a lot of yellow ones are present too. Is this normal with flowering? I know some is. It is just happening to the fan leaves. Any help?

[hydrocannabis]

what about putting a few long floro lights under the plants to give the bottem of the plants more light. I heard that will really fatten up the buds from both top and bottem of the plant.

I can see that u have the room.

well they do look very very nice looken.:thumbsup:

[magiccity445]

bro your grow is freakin amazing. i think i might scrog next grow if it turns out as goods as your is...


M DOT CITY

[jdsoil]

Hydrocannabis~ I tossed it around about adding more lights under the canopy but I was doing it SCROG and didn't need additional lighting. I am more then half way through flowering so I think I am just going to stick with what I have and see how that turns out. Thanks

Magiccity~ Thanks for looking, the SCROG is a lot of fun, give it a try, just don't use a small pot like I did and have to end up LSTing it the second half of flowering. Live and learn.

[SwishaSweetz4Me]

wow i thought my grow was going good....... LOL Blowin mine Out. Wow never even clicked your post. Fuckin Amazin. Nice nice nice nice nice nice nice. Hope u get a good yield. Yah my budz are comin in pink hope they stay like that!
-Swisha

[jdsoil]

well its day 38 and things are not looking that great. Yesterday I noticed a majority of the pistils turned brownish color and the fan leaves are almost all entirely yellow. At first I was concerned about a nutrient problem but am not sure. Having no idea how long this strain flowers for has me taking into consideration that it might be harvest time soon. Looking at the trics I see some milky color to some.

Could it be:
Harvest- brown pistils, changing tricromes

Nitrogen or sulfur deficiency- Yellow fan leaves with purple stems and veins under the leafs, also curling downwards.

Or Transplant shock- Transplanted about 6 days ago, had to disturb some roots but not too badly

Any ideas as to what ails my plant?
Got to go:thumbsup:

[sarah louise]

Did you shut off some of the lights for a day or so after repot? If not, I'd go with after effects of root shock.

If the lighting was left the same as pre-repot, it is likely that the rate of photosynthesis outstripped the nutrients supplied by the root mass.

Thus, the plant resorts to cannabilising stored nutrients and you get left with lots of yellow leaves.

Nice scrog btw, hope she picks up for you.

sara lou :hippy:

[jdsoil]

Thanks for the advice. I didn't know that the plant basically eats itself. And no, I didn't turn out any of the lights. If I did it now would it make a difference? The plant seems to be doing well but no sign of improvement yet.
Any tips for a healthy recovery?

Thank you all!

[Lit Up]

BUMP! JD whats new with your lady friend? Haven't had any updates recently!! I want pics.

[sarah louise]

If it is root-shock --> Nitrogen deficiency, then you can expect the yellowed leaves to wither and die. This would have been more relevant a few days ago, but apart from a little seaweed extract, I'd just wait and see for a few days.

If she's still a problem, takes some pics, fill in a trouble shooting form and get some more opinions.

[jdsoil]

So now I am at day 44 with the plant, the buds are looking good, except they are not moist and supple as they once were, also I am noticing some milky white trics with my 60x scope. What to do now? Is the plant going to get more bud structure if it rebounds now or will it just finish out with the buds it already has? I will try to get some pictures soon.

[afronumeric]

wait till the trics become more brown\golden\yellow.. maybe 2 more weeks or more? =)

[Weedhound]

Hey jd, your grow looks so good it inspired me to try it on some of my stuff. Thanks for the info and pics......very helpful.

[Lit Up]

JD, you prob got like two weeks left or maybe even longer. The buds will get way bigger in the last couple weeks.

[Lit Up]

Bumping JD's bitch ass too. How's your lady looking these days???

[Lit Up]

I think JD forgot about us.

[smello]

to bad-i was getting into it!!!!!