right wing re-acts

[flyingimam]

so, this is the day

Obama was elected and the people have spoken, all the bullshit aside.

By no means I intend to offend "right wingers" NO, but I'm copying some really interesting remarks here, perhaps posted by the crowd who are extremist people far far to the right, a minority in the right; whom even a good portion of average republicans recognize need to calm down, I'm happy to hear talks of Republican party rebounding to its core values, its good ol' days

Republicans Must Respond to Barack Obama « FOX Forum « FOXNews.com (http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/11/04/cthomas_1104/)

Check the comments

some read:

Comment by Smitty Smith
November 5th, 2008 at 11:55 am
The States need to declare their independence from the union and become republics. OBAMA cannot be allowed to rule this country.


Comment by Sense of history
November 5th, 2008 at 11:52 am

I have enjoyed beautiful operas and ballets. I have visited lovely and ancient sites. I have read the worldâ??s best literature. I have stood at the tomb of the Unkown Confederate Soldier. I have seen the flag that flew over Atlanta before the Yankees invaded. It is stunning and beautiful. Of course I honor my flag.



Comment by Monte
November 5th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Hey Kate, sorry to spoil your party but Obama and the Democrats created the divisions in this country. Do you think they are going to stop now since it won them vicotry???
do these people listen to anything but Rush or foxnews? u know, there are a ton of information sources out there, some certainly less biased than these two and some leaning to the other side, its up to u to be informed in an unbiased way

while others go...

Comment by Melzee
November 5th, 2008 at 11:56 am

McCain did respond and he responded with dignity and very well. Maybe the republican supporters should listen to it again or read his transcript and follow suit.



Comment by Roger Fleming
November 5th, 2008 at 11:55 am

I agree the Repubican Party needs to return to the Party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, and Reagan and re-adopt those core values. First you need to clean house and move away from a radical form of conservatism that only separates this great nation of ours. I am referring to people like Rush Limbaugh and others whoâ??s whole career is based on partisan politics. The other thing you need to do is start accepting responsiblity for their mistakes. Stop blaming the other guy for your failures. If you do so you will improve - grow - and move forward as a viable party that this country needs. Continue the way you have and you will fall by the sidelines becoming little more than â??McCarthismâ?? and other radical â??better than thouâ?? movements. The people gave you a mandate and eight years ago and you failed.



Comment by Josef - ATL
November 5th, 2008 at 11:51 am

Itâ??s an absolute shame that people could not make up their own minds by doing their own research and analysis of each candidate, rather, they (Obama supporters) simply swayed back and forth listening to the chant of â??changeâ?� and â??yes we canâ?�. Almost as though they were in a stuper or trance, bobbing their heads up and down and feeling tingly all over. Americans have an extremely short memory. We forget about past abuses and incompetence by the likes of former Presidents Carter and Clinton. 911 seems so long ago! Many of the first time voters were too young to vote or remeber the events of 911. They are a product of todayâ??s generation, nothing like the generation of WW2. There will probably not be another generation like there was during WW2. We are going to just have to adjust. The trend seems to be more European, liberal, â??open-mindedâ?�. It will take many, many years before this trend is reversed, if at all. Yes, Cal is correct in saying that Obama could not have won without the Republicans. It was not only because of what he said but also because of so many disgruntled Republicans who ended up voting for Obama, for whatever reasons. You get what you deserve, but unfortunately many of us, almost half the county, didnâ??t ask for this
Right, last i checked Bush lost the popular vote in 2000, how is that for half the country who didnt want him in the first place and had to put up for 8 years and a lot of BS, how is that for a short memory, guess history is written only in times of disaster and democratic rule... thats the only history some would like to remember, like the 8 years of bush, the patriot act, the lies, the killings, the failures of him were just a bad dream of last night's drunkness, they dont belong to reality... i pity the people who view the world in such a one colored way


Comment by Johnny
November 5th, 2008 at 11:49 am

As a Republican (who voted for Obama!), I hope the party has learned a lesson. Hopefully they can get their act together and challenge the Dems in 4 years.


now that u read all of this, decide for yourself which one are u?
dont answer this here, answer this to yourself and judge yourself, objectively.
Are u the one who prefers the divisive comments, are u the one who sees the world in one color? or are you ready to let go, are u ready to accept the facts, and to give Obama a chance... are you the one who prefers a divided america for sake of your partisanship?

[Dream of the iris]

Ok.....Obama may have sound idea's and in theory they work but its important to continuously remind yourself that power corrupts. Yesterday, America voted for Obama and basically said "You know what? America is fucked up, we have lost our ways, and the whole World is going to shit. Obama, you sound like the man with the plan so we will vote for you. What you want place more governmental control on us? Well thats fine as long as the control is used for all the right reasons like spreading the Wealth and improving our economy. We're so shell shocked by Iraq and 9/11 and the bush regime, that we're willing to take that risk because at this point we're all desperate".

So given the fact that History has proven that power corrupts almost all of the time, don't you feel a little worried that the government could use a socialist country to their advantage? Maybe Obama will do a lot of good for this country. Perhaps he isn't part of the Corporatocracy. Maybe he will produce good change. But the one thing that could never be disputed is, now that Obama is placing so much governmental control on America, there's a good chance future leaders could use this at our disadvantage.

There was a reason why our founding fathers wanted a democracy....to give the power to the people. Obviously absolute democracy with a free capitalistic society doesn't fully work as the 1800's proved, but with limited government intervention and a relatively free capitalistic society, I think we could find a happy medium. Too much government intervention lends itself too much power to take advantage of the people. Too little government intervention allows the people to become vulnerable to other powerful entities that were not predicted back in 1776, like massive corporations. We need the government in place for our protection but it is imperitive to have a limit on that protection. Think of limited government intervention to be a system of checks and balances between the people and the government. If the government has full control, then who could stop them if they ever decided to do something that we didn't want? Sure they can insure every kid a good education and they can provide tax breaks for us. Shoot they can even tell its citizens how bad Pot is by sending us to rehab. But whats going to happen if Obama decides he wants to go to Iran? What if he wants to re-enact the draft? His policies could easily backfire on us and move south very fast.

[dragonrider]

This is the best quote, and it sums up how I feel about the Republican party:


Comment by Roger Fleming
November 5th, 2008 at 11:55 am

I agree the Repubican Party needs to return to the Party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, and Reagan and re-adopt those core values. First you need to clean house and move away from a radical form of conservatism that only separates this great nation of ours. I am referring to people like Rush Limbaugh and others whoâ??s whole career is based on partisan politics. The other thing you need to do is start accepting responsiblity for their mistakes. Stop blaming the other guy for your failures. If you do so you will improve - grow - and move forward as a viable party that this country needs. Continue the way you have and you will fall by the sidelines becoming little more than â??McCarthismâ?? and other radical â??better than thouâ?? movements. The people gave you a mandate and eight years ago and you failed.

I think the Republcans needed a good slap to wake them up, and now they have had it. Now they can compose themselves and think about what is next. They'll have a few years in the wilderness to think about it. The Republican party has historically had a lot of good things to offer and many things that I believe in, but they had moved away from all that and embraced the outdated culture warrior bullshit. They embraced the religious right and instead of getting government off of people's backs, they started getting into the personal details of our lives and shoving their beliefs on us. They need to shed all that and go back to some core principles. I've heard that same argument from conservatives on this site many times, especially those who identify as Libertarians and the Ron Paul supporters.

This is why I think Sarah Palin's future in the party is not as bright as some people think. She represents the wing that the party needs to move AWAY from. Her divisive talk about the REAL America is a part of what killed the McCain campaign. You look at the people at an Obama event and that is where you saw the REAL America, the people who you see every day at work and at school --- culturally, ethnically, racially, and religiously diverse people of all ages, not just a bunch of older white guys, like what you saw at McCain and Palin rallies. If the Republican party is going to survive, it needs to figure out how to relate to the people who make up the country, not just some small sliver of it that live in white, rural, small towns. I know my perspective is a bit skewed because I live in California, which is more diverse than some other parts of the country. But no matter where you live, you can't ignore the fact that this country is becoming more diverse. The Republiacans need to think about whether their message of the past few years is going to work with the diverse future population of this country. I think the core values of the Republican party could appeal to anyone of any culture, but not the culture war crap that is rooted in white, Evangelical cultural values and divisive partisan politics.

[maladroit]

angry and fearful white evangelical christians are real americans too, but religion should not play a role in politics...nobody is forcing christians not to believe in god, or forcing them to get abortions, or forcing them to read the koran, or forcing them to get married to homosexuals, or forcing them to have gay sex, or forcing them to use birth control, or forcing them to eat stem cells...render unto ceasar what is ceasars!

[IAmKowalski]

angry and fearful white evangelical christians are real americans too, but religion should not play a role in politics...nobody is forcing christians not to believe in god, or forcing them to get abortions, or forcing them to read the koran, or forcing them to get married to homosexuals, or forcing them to have gay sex, or forcing them to use birth control, or forcing them to eat stem cells...render unto ceasar what is ceasars!

There is a point where we should acknowledge that these people are mentally ill and need treatment. Here's how some good Christians are reacting to Obama winning:




WBC to picket the funeral of Madelyn
Payne Dunham, - pursuant to the
picketing laws of Hawaii or Kansas or,
etc., wherever burial occurs, - in
religious protest and warning to the
living; to wit: "Prepare to meet thy God."
Amos 4:11.
Yes. Dying time is truth time, and reflection time,
and time for meditating on the weighty issues of
life: getting right with God, life, death, Heaven, Hell,
sin, righteousness, judgment to come, etc. Obama
says his grandmother Dunham raised him, and,
her "influence on his manner and the way he
viewed the world was substantial." If so, then she
has much to answer for as she stands before the
Lord. Obama says he will use the White House as
a Bully Pulpit to advance the cause of murdering
more babies and same-sex marriage. "God hath
appointed a day, in the which He will judge the
world in righteousness by Christ." Acts 17:31.
"And shall not God avenge his own
elect, which cry to him day and night?"
Luke 18 :7.
"For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will
recompence, saith the Lord. It is afearful thing to fall into the hands of
the living God.." Reb. 10:30,31.


What kind of society allows idiots like this to walk the streets?

[maladroit]

i was raised christian in a conservative town and went to christian public school and i never saw anyone act like that...that must be the extreme fringe of christianity...extreme fringes of any movement are usually at least 50% nutters, but there aren't enough of them to make a difference so they're mostly harmless

[maladroit]

here's rush limbaugh's reaction to obama's win...FUNNY STUFF!


"The real way to look at this is this: 40% of America (I'm approximating the number here) knowingly last night voted for socialism, whether they know what it is or not. Whether they know the definition of the word "socialism" or not, they understand the concept. There are 47 million Americans who do not pay taxes, who do not pay income taxes, and I will wager -- there's no polling data on this, but I will wager -- that the vast majority of them voted for Obama. Now, they did not. You tell them Bolsheviks and Marxists and Lenin and Stalin, they're not gonna understand that.

They may not even understand socialism, and if they do understand it, they think it's a good thing. They've been taught that it's a good thing in school. So what I am going to say is: 40% of the people in this country who vote want the kind of thing that Obama is going to offer. We're going to have to defeat 40% of the country, and then after they're defeated, they're going to be clamoring and mad and angry, and they're going to be... Things are always going to be unsettled in this realm. There's always going to be a certain percentage of people who want something for nothing. I saw... Mark Steyn had the line at the National Review. "We've got a long way from JFK in 1960 who said, 'Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.'"

That's 1960. In 2008, it's now, "Ask not what your country can do for you; demand what your country can do for you," and that's who voted for Obama. Now, there are a lot of people also that voted for Obama that are not that way per se. Shelby Steele's got a great piece today, that this is white guilt on parade; and he's written extensively of this, numerous books and articles. And that's another thing. Drive-Bys are trying to say, "No, no, no. There wasn't any white guilt here. There wasn't any Raspberry Effect or Blackberry Effect. We've really gotten past it." No, we haven't. We haven't gotten past it at all. Obama made a bargain with them.

These guilty white people, liberals, love the bargain that they were able to make with Obama. Basically Obama says, "Look, I'm not going to do anything to you. I won't threaten you, as long as you don't hold my race against me," and the bargain is, "Okay, we'll support you." It's a little more complicated than that, and I'm paraphrasing from Dr. Steele, and I'll share that with you in the upcoming portions of today's excursion into broadcast excellence. Not everybody... My point is, not everybody voting for Obama is being pulled by the cart, or not paying taxes. There are a lot of smart people who voted for him. Well, "smart." Eh, even I get caught in the trap. We've gotta redefine "smart." That's another thing we have to do damn fast in this country."
- Rush Limbaugh, redefining 'smart' to exclude smart people

[dragonrider]

They are planning to protest at the funeral of Obama's grandmother? These people are digging the grave for their own ideology. Might as well bury it the same day. Why would they think this kind of thing would win them any support for their cause?

[maladroit]

"And furthermore, ladies and gentlemen, as I was saying, I hope you people in Ohio lose your coal industry; and I hope all your Joe the Plumbers are unemployed in six months!"
- Rush Limbaugh, damning all of Ohio for voting 51% in favour of Obama

[maladroit]

the westboro baptist church does that sort of thing a lot...they're not representative of christianity...they recently got barred from entering canada to protest the funeral of a random guy who was beheaded on a bus by a complete stranger:

Westboro Baptist Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church)

[dragonrider]

here's rush limbaugh's reaction to obama's win...FUNNY STUFF!


"The real way to look at this is this: 40% of America (I'm approximating the number here) knowingly last night voted for socialism, whether they know what it is or not. Whether they know the definition of the word "socialism" or not, they understand the concept. There are 47 million Americans who do not pay taxes, who do not pay income taxes, and I will wager -- there's no polling data on this, but I will wager -- that the vast majority of them voted for Obama. Now, they did not. You tell them Bolsheviks and Marxists and Lenin and Stalin, they're not gonna understand that.

They may not even understand socialism, and if they do understand it, they think it's a good thing. They've been taught that it's a good thing in school. So what I am going to say is: 40% of the people in this country who vote want the kind of thing that Obama is going to offer. We're going to have to defeat 40% of the country, and then after they're defeated, they're going to be clamoring and mad and angry, and they're going to be... Things are always going to be unsettled in this realm. There's always going to be a certain percentage of people who want something for nothing. I saw... Mark Steyn had the line at the National Review. "We've got a long way from JFK in 1960 who said, 'Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.'"

That's 1960. In 2008, it's now, "Ask not what your country can do for you; demand what your country can do for you," and that's who voted for Obama. Now, there are a lot of people also that voted for Obama that are not that way per se. Shelby Steele's got a great piece today, that this is white guilt on parade; and he's written extensively of this, numerous books and articles. And that's another thing. Drive-Bys are trying to say, "No, no, no. There wasn't any white guilt here. There wasn't any Raspberry Effect or Blackberry Effect. We've really gotten past it." No, we haven't. We haven't gotten past it at all. Obama made a bargain with them.

These guilty white people, liberals, love the bargain that they were able to make with Obama. Basically Obama says, "Look, I'm not going to do anything to you. I won't threaten you, as long as you don't hold my race against me," and the bargain is, "Okay, we'll support you." It's a little more complicated than that, and I'm paraphrasing from Dr. Steele, and I'll share that with you in the upcoming portions of today's excursion into broadcast excellence. Not everybody... My point is, not everybody voting for Obama is being pulled by the cart, or not paying taxes. There are a lot of smart people who voted for him. Well, "smart." Eh, even I get caught in the trap. We've gotta redefine "smart." That's another thing we have to do damn fast in this country."
- Rush Limbaugh, redefining 'smart' to exclude smart people

Ha ha! Some things never change! Rush is a perrenial idiot and will always resprout no matter how much herbicide you spray on him.

This part is great:


We're going to have to defeat 40% of the country, and then after they're defeated, they're going to be clamoring and mad and angry, and they're going to be... Things are always going to be unsettled in this realm.

Isn't that what we are seeing right now in reverse on his OWN SHOW? His side is defeated and they are clamoring and mad and angry. Does he have no sense of irony?

What is he going to babble about when socialism does not come? The best way to shut this windbag up will be for Obama and his policies and priorities to succeed.

[IAmKowalski]

They are planning to protest at the funeral of Obama's grandmother? These people are digging the grave for their own ideology. Might as well bury it the same day. Why would they think this kind of thing would win them any support for their cause?

These people are nuts. They feel that they can be sociopathic, dishonest, destructive, downright evil by any measure, and never need to feel an ounce of guilt because they have an invisible immortal deity that is real in their twisted minds and which justifies and forgives anything they do. Of course they don't care what sane people think of their actions - they have been taught that they have a higher power to answer to which precludes them from the concerns of their fellow mortal beings.

[overgrowthegovt]

Well, of course the right-wing nutjobs aren't going to take this lying down. The U.S. is a socially problematic nation because it is not nearly as socialist as places like Scandinavia and Canada, and, this being the 21st century, a guy comes along who plans to lead them into the light and probably prove to be the best president since Roosevelt. But of course, socialism is a dirty word to the free market-worshippers, even if it would potentially narrow the apalling wealth gap in America.

[dragonrider]

The conservative voices on THIS forum are noticably quiet right now. It's a weed forum, so you might expect it to lean a little bit toward the progressive. But when I first started posting in here about a year ago, this was called The Lion's Den, and the most aggressive and confident voices were the conservative ones. Sometime in the mid summer, that started to throttle back a bit, and by the conventions it had quieted down a lot. The last two weeks it was almost silent, and now it is just plain gone.

C'mon guys, where are you? You can't have a politics forum without both sides. I already promised not to gloat too much!

[overgrowthegovt]

The conservative voices on THIS forum are noticably quiet right now. It's a weed forum, so you might expect it to lean a little bit toward the progressive. But when I first started posting in here about a year ago, this was called The Lion's Den, and the most aggressive and confident voices were the conservative ones. Sometime in the mid summer, that started to throttle back a bit, and by the conventions it had quieted down a lot. The last two weeks it was almost silent, and now it is just plain gone.

C'mon guys, where are you? You can't have a politics forum without both sides. I already promised not to gloat too much!

Haha yeah, I bet they're a little shamefaced after the crushing defeat they just suffered. I mean, this isn't just a Democrat who got elected, but probably the most leftist one in sixty years.

[maladroit]

maybe the conservative voices are being gracious in defeat...i remember a lot of acrimony from the liberal voices when george bush won, and won again (THE BASTARD!)

we need a mix of conservative and liberal voices here and in government to counterbalance eachother's excesses

[overgrowthegovt]

maybe the conservative voices are being gracious in defeat...i remember a lot of acrimony from the liberal voices when george bush won, and won again (THE BASTARD!)

we need a mix of conservative and liberal voices here and in government to counterbalance eachother's excesses

You're right...there's a good part of me that would like to see all things and attitudes conservative systematically eradicated, or treated like any other mental illness....but the other part of me realizes that they do indeed have their place. Plus, every state needs a gadfly, as Socrates asserted.

[Fugitive]

The conservative voices on THIS forum are noticably quiet right now. It's a weed forum, so you might expect it to lean a little bit toward the progressive. But when I first started posting in here about a year ago, this was called The Lion's Den, and the most aggressive and confident voices were the conservative ones. Sometime in the mid summer, that started to throttle back a bit, and by the conventions it had quieted down a lot. The last two weeks it was almost silent, and now it is just plain gone.

C'mon guys, where are you? You can't have a politics forum without both sides. I already promised not to gloat too much!

From now on we will only respond in Pastor Manning videos :p

khuu-RhOBDU

[Psycho4Bud]

The conservative voices on THIS forum are noticably quiet right now. It's a weed forum, so you might expect it to lean a little bit toward the progressive. But when I first started posting in here about a year ago, this was called The Lion's Den, and the most aggressive and confident voices were the conservative ones. Sometime in the mid summer, that started to throttle back a bit, and by the conventions it had quieted down a lot. The last two weeks it was almost silent, and now it is just plain gone.

C'mon guys, where are you? You can't have a politics forum without both sides. I already promised not to gloat too much!

As for myself, I've been a bit busy since September. This old fart decided to go back to school for a second degree. Between the homework and labs, time has been a very valuable thing. Got the BIG test coming up in the first week of December; the EPA 608 Certification test. This degree kind of falls hand in hand with my last one so it should work out cool. Guess you could say that I'M Joe the Plumber. LOL

NOW, I hope SOMEBODY picks up the slack for me in here dealing with these left wingers. LMAO!

Have a good one!:s4:

[maladroit]

a second university degree? i guess that makes you an elitist...welcome to the liberal egghead club!

yeah, somebody needs to keep these liberal moonbats in line before they start helping the poor and organizing communities...THOSE SOCIALISTS MAKE ME SICK!

good luck with your studies

[Psycho4Bud]

No, a Technical College. I have a degree in Fluid Power Technology and am going for a vocational in R-HVAC. I did the "elitist" crap with 11 years of outside industrial sales and didn't really care for the attitudes of the snobs I had to deal with. Guess I'm more of a hands on type, they can take their gulf courses and stick them where the sun don't shine!:S4:

Nice thing about this program, I get to learn how to control an inside environment; Heating, air conditioning, holding humidity levels, air exchanges......wonder what I can use this new found knowledge for?:D

Have a good one!:s4:

[dragonrider]

As for myself, I've been a bit busy since September. This old fart decided to go back to school for a second degree. Between the homework and labs, time has been a very valuable thing. Got the BIG test coming up in the first week of December; the EPA 608 Certification test. This degree kind of falls hand in hand with my last one so it should work out cool. Guess you could say that I'M Joe the Plumber. LOL

NOW, I hope SOMEBODY picks up the slack for me in here dealing with these left wingers. LMAO!

Have a good one!:s4:

Ha ha! I'm sure someone will pick up the slack! Of course, now that the election is over, my interests will probably move on from politics. Oh well, fun while it lasted...

Good luck with the studies and the tests! I'm sure you will put your new knowlege to good use. Maybe you can bump yourself up into a new exhorbitant marginal tax rate!

Seriously though, good luck with it. Knowlege is power....

[Dutch Pimp]

It's been reported that ..."George Wallace...has turned over in his grave!...once to the right, twice to the left"..:thumbsup:

[maladroit]

hey psycho: you can thank al gore for inventing global warming...your skills are going to be in high demand!

ever hear of geothermal heating and cooling? it uses a fraction of the energy of conventional heating/cooling...it's expensive to start up, but it's cheap to run:
Welcome to NextEnergy - How It Works (http://www.nextenergy.ca/how-it-works.html)

[Psycho4Bud]

hey psycho: you can thank al gore for inventing global warming...your skills are going to be in high demand!

ever hear of geothermal heating and cooling? it uses a fraction of the energy of conventional heating/cooling...it's expensive to start up, but it's cheap to run:
Welcome to NextEnergy - How It Works (http://www.nextenergy.ca/how-it-works.html)

The "high demand" issue is one of the major reasons I took this program. Supply and demand; this could be a very profitable field of work.

Geothermal heating and cooling SHOULD be looked into much more than it is now. We went through this energy crap back in the late "70"s and our leaders sat on their collective thumbs!:mad: That's about the only thing that concerns me with the drop in oil prices; once again they'll look the other direction instead of tackling a future problem.

Have a good one!:s4:

[JakeMartinez]

Ok.....Obama may have sound idea's and in theory they work but its important to continuously remind yourself that power corrupts. Yesterday, America voted for Obama and basically said "You know what? America is fucked up, we have lost our ways, and the whole World is going to shit. Obama, you sound like the man with the plan so we will vote for you. What you want place more governmental control on us? Well thats fine as long as the control is used for all the right reasons like spreading the Wealth and improving our economy. We're so shell shocked by Iraq and 9/11 and the bush regime, that we're willing to take that risk because at this point we're all desperate".

So given the fact that History has proven that power corrupts almost all of the time, don't you feel a little worried that the government could use a socialist country to their advantage? Maybe Obama will do a lot of good for this country. Perhaps he isn't part of the Corporatocracy. Maybe he will produce good change. But the one thing that could never be disputed is, now that Obama is placing so much governmental control on America, there's a good chance future leaders could use this at our disadvantage.

There was a reason why our founding fathers wanted a democracy....to give the power to the people. Obviously absolute democracy with a free capitalistic society doesn't fully work as the 1800's proved, but with limited government intervention and a relatively free capitalistic society, I think we could find a happy medium. Too much government intervention lends itself too much power to take advantage of the people. Too little government intervention allows the people to become vulnerable to other powerful entities that were not predicted back in 1776, like massive corporations. We need the government in place for our protection but it is imperitive to have a limit on that protection. Think of limited government intervention to be a system of checks and balances between the people and the government. If the government has full control, then who could stop them if they ever decided to do something that we didn't want? Sure they can insure every kid a good education and they can provide tax breaks for us. Shoot they can even tell its citizens how bad Pot is by sending us to rehab. But whats going to happen if Obama decides he wants to go to Iran? What if he wants to re-enact the draft? His policies could easily backfire on us and move south very fast.

The founding fathers didn't believe in anywhere near as much democracy as we have in the u.s. now. Originally, congressmen were selected by state legislatures. Presidents were elected by the Electoral College, who were also appointed by state legislatures. And, if I remember right, state legislatures didn't have to be selected by a democratic election. I might be wrong on the latter but everything before that, I'm sure of.

Democracy is slow and wildly inefficient. However, it keeps tyrants in check.
Republics are very fast and extremely effective at reaching their goals, but it's often the goals of the representatives, not the goals of the people.

The founding fathers hoped to balance that out, and the system worked for a long time. However, I think it's greatly outdated and the amendments outside the bill of rights have really compromised the balance between the democracy and the republic.

However, that imbalance pales in comparison to the way corporations, capitalism, and banking have siphoned a lot of power away from the government...Personally, I think the constitution is moot if it doesn't protect us from the people who give us the money to feed, clothe, and house ourselves...

Sorry, I kind of rambled on there lol

[rebgirl420]

The conservative voices on THIS forum are noticably quiet right now. It's a weed forum, so you might expect it to lean a little bit toward the progressive. But when I first started posting in here about a year ago, this was called The Lion's Den, and the most aggressive and confident voices were the conservative ones. Sometime in the mid summer, that started to throttle back a bit, and by the conventions it had quieted down a lot. The last two weeks it was almost silent, and now it is just plain gone.

C'mon guys, where are you? You can't have a politics forum without both sides. I already promised not to gloat too much!

Sorry I've been gone, school has kept me busy.

I voted on election day (Republican and Libertarian) and it was my first time doing so. I just wish they would have gaven me an "I voted" sticker.

I watched the state vote be counted and I watched Obama win. It was exciting. I wish McCain would have won but I also look at the bright side of things.

I have social views that do not match with the current Republican values (Like pro choice, pro gay marriage, pro drug, anti-religion) so at least these things can progress under a Democratic majority (though I don't like the idea of any party having that much control, Republican or Democrat).

I think it's pretty nifty that we have an African American in office, even if most of his views aren't on the same page as mine. I'll be a gracious loser. Maybe this will get the Republican party back to their Libertarian roots.

Congrats Dems, Liberals, and anyone else who voted for Obama.

[GoldenBoy812]

Maybe this will get the Republican party back to their Libertarian roots.


BULLSEYE

:jointsmile:

[dragonrider]

I'll be a gracious loser. Maybe this will get the Republican party back to their Libertarian roots.



BULLSEYE

:jointsmile:


This is what I would hope too. I hope the Republican party can reshape itself into something I can respect again.

[zeitgeist]

I just wanna know why Sarah Palin keeps showing up on my television!!!

[maladroit]

hey rebgirl,

if you are pro choice, pro gay marriage, pro drug, anti-religion, what are the republican/mccain policies that you voted to support? tax cuts for the rich? increased debt? i thought most people who voted repubican did so primarily because they are anti-choice/gay/drug and pro-fundamentalist christian

[Psycho4Bud]

if you are pro choice, pro gay marriage, pro drug, anti-religion, what are the republican/mccain policies that you voted to support? tax cuts for the rich? increased debt? i thought most people who voted repubican did so primarily because they are anti-choice/gay/drug and pro-fundamentalist christian

How about pro-military, anti-welfare state, and keep government as small as possible? IF the finer aspects of both parties were combined we'd have a winner!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

[GoldenBoy812]

How about pro-military, anti-welfare state, and keep government as small as possible? IF the finer aspects of both parties were combined we'd have a winner!:thumbsup:

He goes by the name of Ron Paul. But is known to many as simply..... Tha Docta:rastasmoke:

[delusionsofNORMALity]

How about pro-military, anti-welfare state, and keep government as small as possible? IF the finer aspects of both parties were combined we'd have a winner!that obviously isn't what the people want. the people have spoken and what they want is to be told what to believe by an agenda driven media, to be told what to do by an intrusive federal government, and to have the wealth of all citizens limited by an economy under the control of a massive bureaucracy. this is the mandate that has been handed to the leeches in washington and don't for one minute think that your representatives haven't gotten that message loud and clear. the people have demanded the rigid controls of a totalitarian system because they are too apathetic to take responsibility and attempt to control their own lives.

the recent election has proven once again that it is less a matter of who is elected than why they are elected. the people have been asked the great question, "do you want to control your own destiny?", and they have answered with a resounding NO.

[theforthdrive]

I have social views that do not match with the current Republican values (Like pro choice, pro gay marriage, pro drug, anti-religion)

LOL, I tried telling you this a couple of weeks ago!

[8182KSKUSH]

This is what I would hope too. I hope the Republican party can reshape itself into something I can respect again.


Listen to you! You are such a closet conservative it's not even funny! You want so bad to be a republican!
(just joking!!):D(kinda, not really):D

[rebgirl420]

How about pro-military, anti-welfare state, and keep government as small as possible? IF the finer aspects of both parties were combined we'd have a winner!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

Thank you :thumbsup:

I vote Republican because of their original Libertarian values. These goobers who say their Republicans now are nothing but Rhinos (AKA False Republicans).

[PicsorShens]

Thank you :thumbsup:

I vote Republican because of their original Libertarian values. These goobers who say their Republicans now are nothing but Rhinos (AKA False Republicans).

So you voted for Republicans that aren't real? I'm not sure your vote went anywhere useful.

[rebgirl420]

Pretty sure Ron Paul and other Ron Paul-like Republicans exist. Maybe not on the huge level that they should but they are there, in your local government for example.

[iamapatient]

Ron Paul and his supporters are a joke, that's why he was rejected...

[rebgirl420]

Best damn joke I ever heard.

He was rejected because he couldn't compete financially.

And thats pretty fucking offensive to call his supporters a joke.

[iamapatient]

Best damn joke I ever heard.

He was rejected because he couldn't compete financially.

And thats pretty fucking offensive to call his supporters a joke.

Yes, he was a joke...

He was rejected because he's not a real republican (he lost EVERY primary state) and he's a racist anti-Semite.

Truth hurts?

[rebgirl420]

Yes, he was a joke...

He was rejected because he's not a real republican (he lost EVERY primary state) and he's a racist anti-Semite.

Truth hurts?

WTF?

How is he racist and an anti-semite? Please, enlighten me and every other Ron Paul supporter on these very boards. We'd love to hear the conspiracy theory bullshit about Mr.Paul yet again. And every time it's brought up it's slapped down with a little something called facts.

He is a real Republican. Because REAL Republicans are Libertarians.

[iamapatient]

WTF?

How is he racist and an anti-semite? Please, enlighten me and every other Ron Paul supporter on these very boards. We'd love to hear the conspiracy theory bullshit about Mr.Paul yet again. And every time it's brought up it's slapped down with a little something called facts.

He is a real Republican. Because REAL Republicans are Libertarians.

Thanks for proving me right about RP supporters...

[rebgirl420]

Thanks for proving me right about RP supporters...

Yes, yes. You and your backhanded insults.

Fantastic. Seems like were all grown ups here. Hopefully the mods can realize that all of your posts, not just this one, are insulting.

What? You don't agree? Well then let me insult you and your intelligence. Good show.

[iamapatient]

Yes, yes. You and your backhanded insults.

Fantastic. Seems like were all grown ups here. Hopefully the mods can realize that all of your posts, not just this one, are insulting.

What? You don't agree? Well then let me insult you and your intelligence. Good show.

Like I said, thanks for demonstrating that RP supporters are a joke, now people might see why he was rejected...

[iamapatient]

Furthermore, Republicans are NOT libertardians. Libertarians are far too socially liberal to be Republicans. RP ran for president as a libertarian and he lost then too. He's been rejected twice and thank God that America will never have to endure a RP administration...

[overgrowthegovt]

There's a lot of comparisons being made here between Libertarianism and classical conservatism, and that's basically so in America, but really, Libertarianism is closest to the original classical liberalism that emerged in Britain in the early 1800s...

They were against regional economic protectionism, for civil rights, for the separation of church and state (something modern conservatives can't boast), and against censorship and all forms of oppression. Sound like Libertarianism to you?

Oh, and psycho4bud, how can any human being with love in their heart be PRO-military? Militarism is a disease.

[maladroit]

hey oh-gee didn't you feel some love in your heart for canada's military when it was the world's largest contributer to UN peacekeeping missions?

[overgrowthegovt]

hey oh-gee didn't you feel some love in your heart for canada's military when it was the world's largest contributer to UN peacekeeping missions?

Yes, but my allegiance started to waver when they made the switch from peace-keeping to blowing up Afghani children in the streets.

[maladroit]

yeah me too, but that wasn't their decision

the first time i heard about canadian soldiers killing afghan children was this summer...canada doesn't have any airpower over there so the soldiers pretty much have to look in someone's face when they kill them

[GoldenBoy812]

Ron Paul and his supporters are a joke, that's why he was rejected...

What a classless thing to say. What is it a Ron Paul supporter has ever done to you to warrent such dislike except for...... challenging you to think?

There must be some sort of agenda behind this attitude: i am curiious as to what it is.

[PicsorShens]

What a classless thing to say. What is it a Ron Paul supporter has ever done to you to warrent such dislike except for...... challenging you to think?

There must be some sort of agenda behind this attitude: i am curiious as to what it is.

Don't bother bro, he's been going around all day basically calling everyone who isn't him an idiot. You can't argue with the dumb, blind and deaf. It's kinda like trying to get Helen Keller to cross the street; no matter how many times you push em in the right direction, they're still gonna get hit by a bus.

[JakeMartinez]

Don't bother bro, he's been going around all day basically calling everyone who isn't him an idiot. You can't argue with the dumb, blind and deaf. It's kinda like trying to get Helen Keller to cross the street; no matter how many times you push em in the right direction, they're still gonna get hit by a bus.

lmao That's so horrible...yet so hilarious...hah

[iamapatient]

What a classless thing to say. What is it a Ron Paul supporter has ever done to you to warrent such dislike except for...... challenging you to think?

There must be some sort of agenda behind this attitude: i am curiious as to what it is.

I posted my opinion of RP and anyone stupid enough to support him, you don't have to like it.

I have no agenda, he was rejected as he should have been, being the joke he is. He's done, he'll never be President, thank God.

Hope that helps but it wont...

[iamapatient]

lmao That's so horrible...yet so hilarious...hah

Now you see why the fucktard got put on my ignore list. He whines about name calling...while calling me names. Like most two-faced liberal hypocrites, it's OK for him but bad if I do it. I told you he was a joke, I'm glad he proved it again. :D

[stinkyattic]

Okay there iamapatient. We have been receiving complaints about your attitude from SEVERAL members.

You have just crossed over the line.

[iamapatient]

Okay there iamapatient. We have been receiving complaints about your attitude from SEVERAL members.

You have just crossed over the line.

I'll ask you the same thing I pointed out about the others, why is it OK for them but bad for me? Hypocrisy is why...

[stinkyattic]

Because no one has called you a fucktard yet. I'm sorry, I should think that would be obvious to someone as intelligent as yourself... :rolleyes:

You want to to argue about this, I have absolutely NO compulsions about making my afternoon easier in terms of how much time I have to spend cleaning up threads and dealing with complaints.

[iamapatient]

Because no one has called you a fucktard yet.

So it's just a matter of semantics?

Fucktard = bad
dumb = OK?

Is there a list of acceptable names vs non-acceptable names someplace or is it all arbitrary?

[stinkyattic]

I told you I am not the one.
Goodbye.

[Dutch Pimp]

how many red squares you got?....iamapatient. you haven't changed a bit, since 1 FEB 06...:buzz_saw:

EDIT: I'm disappointed, only one? I WAS gonna add to that...:thumbsup: