Procyon 100 Grow Log Step By Step By Need ALL INPUT!1st L.E.D Grow!

[N8palm420]

Hi I just Bought a Procyon 100 using it in a 2x2x4'7 Secret Jardin Enclosdure With the Procyon 100. oct 25th seeds sprouted had the light 12 inches from top of plants.Leaves started to turn up a little moved the light to 13 1/2 inches You think that will help?When should I start mt light cycle Please Help Heres some Pics!

[SnSstealth]

high nate,

congrats on starting a grow.:thumbsup:

I'd suggest: light 16" for two weeks. its a bit intense for seedlings but after that drop back down to 10" or so.

9 days in your light cycle is already started, leave it a 24/0 if thats what it is now.

only other LED specific issue is to add a incandescent or two during flowering. sorry, but that will help alot.

and lots of perilite and drain holes due to less transpiration.

db:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

sorry, are those trash cans?you can start in big pots but youll get better growth and less soil issues if you transplant (smaller to larger as they gow) on a reg schedule. problem is you have alot of soil in that can with no roots in them to pull out moisture, soil needs to dry out so roots can breath and stop bugs and other issues,

db:smokin:

[theforthdrive]

sorry, are those trash cans?you can start in big pots but youll get better growth and less soil issues if you transplant (smaller to larger as they gow) on a reg schedule. problem is you have alot of soil in that can with no roots in them to pull out moisture, soil needs to dry out so roots can breath and stop bugs and other issues,

db:smokin:

Agreed! I go from 1 gals : 2 gals : 5 gals! lots of work but worth it!

How did you post pics w/o 50 posts?

[FreeDaHerb]

Start in red/blue solo cups...then 1-2 gals..then 5 gal to finish with soil ;)

[N8palm420]

high nate,

congrats on starting a grow.:thumbsup:

I'd suggest: light 16" for two weeks. its a bit intense for seedlings but after that drop back down to 10" or so.

9 days in your light cycle is already started, leave it a 24/0 if thats what it is now.

only other LED specific issue is to add a incandescent or two during flowering. sorry, but that will help alot.

and lots of perilite and drain holes due to less transpiration.

db:smokin:
Thanks Sns will move light up a little bit to 16" for another week They have been on 24/0 until yesterday started a 18/6 for my veggie stage.Cool will add a incadesent at flowering just a regular bulb?One day L.e.d. will take over!lol

[N8palm420]

sorry, are those trash cans?you can start in big pots but youll get better growth and less soil issues if you transplant (smaller to larger as they gow) on a reg schedule. problem is you have alot of soil in that can with no roots in them to pull out moisture, soil needs to dry out so roots can breath and stop bugs and other issues,

db:smokin:
Yeah they Trash cans about 6"x9"inch by 10" tall about 1 gallon or less I got them from work there for infeciuos needles (They Were new)I drilled out the bottoms and a couple holes about 5"inches up on the can.I think It should be ok What ya Think?

[N8palm420]

Agreed! I go from 1 gals : 2 gals : 5 gals! lots of work but worth it!

How did you post pics w/o 50 posts?
Cool Will do These are about 1 gallon or so not sure how I posted Pics just started a thread and said add or manage attachments and added Thanks Will keep you posted and freeda Thanks for the input Pics to come

[WhiskeyTango]

Lookin good nate! Snsstealth and I will keep poppin in on ya. Make sure its goin ok....
:joint1:

[Dogznova]

Hit the Go Advanced button below the quote box to post pics w/out 50 post.. Worked for me.

[N8palm420]

How in the hell you get a avatar or pic on your profile uploaded a pic to my album but stuck from there

[N8palm420]

Moved cycle back to 24/0 until day 14 then i will change to 18/6 did this for even numbers easier to determine nov 7th will be 2 weeks.

[N8palm420]

Heres a couple updated pics day 9 of sprout Whatcha think?They lookin good one has purple leaves starting one lime green :-)

[Weezard]

Heres a couple updated pics day 9 of sprout Whatcha think?They lookin good one has purple leaves starting one lime green :-)


Aloha, Nate:)

In a word?

Nifty!

Regards,
Weezard

[N8palm420]

Thanx weezard Appreciated

I am adding a floro to the mix to change it up Let me know what you think its a 6500k

[SnSstealth]

I am adding a floro to the mix to change it up Let me know what you think its a 6500k

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

good idea, is that floro open all the way around? If so you could hang it low between the plants when they get a bit sturdier. that should be plenty of light for now.

if funds are available($20 maybe and a timer), when going to flower add 2 100w or 60w incandescents and 2 60w incandescent "blacklight party bulbs", 2 for 6 bucks at wally world i think. the 2 white bulbs would run all day and the blacklights run for a half hour after dark, a 12/:30/11:30 schedule.

I know it sounds a bit much, but ive seen or done testing with both methods directly involving the procyon and the results were better with each method separately. its got to do with far red energy the plants need to ...ummm....be ready for the next day's light( really technical debate in another forum with symbols and formulas, trust me, its not worth the looooong explanation). and switch the floro to 2700k if you keep it. that would be ideal for your two plants. IMO

db:smokin:

[N8palm420]

Cool SNS U the MAN Thanks for the info the floro is only open 1/2 way around and just got my Jamaican Bat Guano today will be adding it on my next watering

[N8palm420]

Babys are doing good added another floro to the mix 2 Total 1 for the underneath and one vertical.Now a 6500k and a 4200k I believe.one is 2" one is 1.5" let me know what ya Think heres a couple pics:)

[ryan3009]

thank you for making the sacrafice to buy the proycon. i was looking into it heavy but was discuraged by all the negetive blogs, thanks

[WhiskeyTango]

thank you for making the sacrafice to buy the proycon. i was looking into it heavy but was discuraged by all the negetive blogs, thanks

LOL...negative procyon blogs? take a look in my or Snsstealths (heh) signature. Those are all procyon logs. I have not seen a single negative procyon log. Show them to me. I wanna see.
Keep at it N8...shits lookin good. Careful on feeding, low heat/low transpiration means plants uptake slower. Be gentle at first. Skim through our logs if ya got time, you can see the errors we made, so you dont have to!
happy growing
:joint1:

[N8palm420]

LOL...negative procyon blogs? take a look in my or Snsstealths (heh) signature. Those are all procyon logs. I have not seen a single negative procyon log. Show them to me. I wanna see.
Keep at it N8...shits lookin good. Careful on feeding, low heat/low transpiration means plants uptake slower. Be gentle at first. Skim through our logs if ya got time, you can see the errors we made, so you dont have to!
happy growing
:joint1:
Cool Just Feed yesterday for first time will chill for awhile then see what happens yeah i been looking at ALL the threads dam been reading for days.I appreciate all the advice Keep checkin in on me ill keep ya posted:jointsmile:

[N8palm420]

Heres a update on my babys Looking ok I believe one has little droopy leaves but I thunk thats ok Whatcha Think my friends?

[N8palm420]

Heres a couple pics of my dads grow in seattle let me Know what you think!

[Revanche21]

high nate,

congrats on starting a grow.:thumbsup:

I'd suggest: light 16" for two weeks. its a bit intense for seedlings but after that drop back down to 10" or so.

9 days in your light cycle is already started, leave it a 24/0 if thats what it is now.

only other LED specific issue is to add a incandescent or two during flowering. sorry, but that will help alot.

and lots of perilite and drain holes due to less transpiration.

db:smokin:

Why an incandescent bulb?

[N8palm420]

Why an incandescent bulb?
Helps with the right wavelengths for flowering im sure.

[N8palm420]

Im about to buy a 16" by 16" by 4 feet tall for seedlings and going to buy a glowpanel45 whatcha guys think?

[N8palm420]

forgot thinkin of lowryder 2 supposed to do a full cycle in 9 weeks

[Revanche21]

Helps with the right wavelengths for flowering im sure.

how about a 'warm' CFL, the kind that has more red/orange

[N8palm420]

how about a 'warm' CFL, the kind that has more red/orange
I just got a 2700 k 18" grow light from home depot with a 4200k same thing 18" floro

[SnSstealth]

Why an incandescent bulb?

Hey rev,

short answer: incandescents have alot of energy in the 700-800nm range. MJ needs 730nm light to convert parts of the plant(phytochromes) back to a 660nm acceptable state. its a cycle. a better plan would be to use the incan's all day, then run incandescent black light party bulbs for 20-30 min after lights out. these bulbs have only 700nm and up and a small bump at 400nm w/ the rest blocked out. we did some testing on this and saw some better results.

long answer: theres a raging debate going on in the perfect LED thread with talks of all red "martian" nights and all sorts of other ideas. many have great merit and require much testing.

lol guess the long and short are backwards....:upsidedow

db:smokin:

[Revanche21]

Hey rev,

short answer: incandescents have alot of energy in the 700-800nm range. MJ needs 730nm light to convert parts of the plant(phytochromes) back to a 660nm acceptable state. its a cycle. a better plan would be to use the incan's all day, then run incandescent black light party bulbs for 20-30 min after lights out. these bulbs have only 700nm and up and a small bump at 400nm w/ the rest blocked out. we did some testing on this and saw some better results.

long answer: theres a raging debate going on in the perfect LED thread with talks of all red "martian" nights and all sorts of other ideas. many have great merit and require much testing.

lol guess the long and short are backwards....:upsidedow
db:smokin:

so would a fluoro work? adding the incandescent seems like it would offset the Watt benefits of a Procyon

[SnSstealth]

so would a fluoro work? adding the incandescent seems like it would offset the Watt benefits of a Procyon

no, fluoros dont go that high as a rule, maybe hort. flouros. yeah I know it throws it out the window, but even with just the two 60w party bulbs for :30 min after will help alot and not add much at all to your usage.

weve been finding theres no simple answer but were still looking:thumbsup:

db:smokin:

[N8palm420]

Well Heres a little update I rearranged the setup better ideas coming so now I have the Procyon 17" from top of tallest plant One 4200k 18' floro and one 2700k Floro as vertical Lighting cycle is Procyon and fan 18/6 and the 2 floros 17 3/4on 6 1/4 off leaving the procyon on 15 minutes longer then the rest Just to chill the plants out before bed time Whatcha Think Heres some pics

[SnSstealth]

looks good n8. but since you asked...lol, go get two 6500k bulbs for veg and youll be much happier come harvest time.:thumbsup:

once they get three sets of leaves you can prob. move flouros up to the edge of the pot.

db:smokin:

[N8palm420]

looks good n8. but since you asked...lol, go get two 6500k bulbs for veg and youll be much happier come harvest time.:thumbsup:

once they get three sets of leaves you can prob. move flouros up to the edge of the pot.

db:smokin:
Sns U the man Should I just add or take one light out Thanks for the info!!!

[ryan3009]

im new to forums, so i really dont see anything else led related, sorry. just had a question about yield for LED's, yields per watt, or for 100watts. is the proycon or LEDs truly 4times more efficient HID:jointsmile:

[N8palm420]

im new to forums, so i really dont see anything else led related, sorry. just had a question about yield for LED's, yields per watt, or for 100watts. is the proycon or LEDs truly 4times more efficient HID:jointsmile:
Not sure this is my first grow with procyon buts theres a couple post by sns about his grow hes on my log check it out!

[SnSstealth]

im new to forums, so i really dont see anything else led related, sorry. just had a question about yield for LED's, yields per watt, or for 100watts. is the proycon or LEDs truly 4times more efficient HID:jointsmile:

for 100W, maybe an ounce...:( there are too many factors that could take that up or drastically down, but in general if yield is your goal then you may want to hold off for a year or so. there are many brilliant minds searching and testing right now.

db:smokin:

p.s. type procyon or leds in the search tab at top of page and youll get lots of led threads.

[N8palm420]

for 100W, maybe an ounce...:( there are too many factors that could take that up or drastically down, but in general if yield is your goal then you may want to hold off for a year or so. there are many brilliant minds searching and testing right now.

db:smokin:

p.s. type procyon or leds in the search tab at top of page and youll get lots of led threads.
Hey Sns Im going to move my procyon to 1 seed chamber for my seedlings and get a 250 watt hps and metal halide bulb with a lumatek digital ballast is that enough light? 2x2 so 4 sq feet at 250watts is 62.5 watts a sq ft should be good enough ?

[N8palm420]

Heres a couple updated pics just watered plants today

[SnSstealth]

Hey Sns Im going to move my procyon to 1 seed chamber for my seedlings and get a 250 watt hps and metal halide bulb with a lumatek digital ballast is that enough light? 2x2 so 4 sq feet at 250watts is 62.5 watts a sq ft should be good enough ?

yeah you should be good:thumbsup:

db

[N8palm420]

Heres some pics of the new set-up 250 watt hortilux blue metal halide bulb for veg and hortilux super hps for flower set at 20 inchs above canopy right now.putting procyon in a dr40 16" by 16" by 4'tall for first month of seedlings.

[TheFanLeft]

Good deal on getting a log started, I've been dorking around with the Procyons for awhile now, I got about 2 oz per light, have 2 going over a 2x4 space doing DWC. Thanks SnS for the advice on augmenting the wavelengths. I talked with a plant physiologist and they said that you really only need to make sure both chlorophylls get hit...so like 4 wavelengths, 430,450,640,660. I was thinking of getting some of those 15w grow lights in the wavelengths the Procyon isn't hitting (430, 660) and see if that helps. I figure I should be getting around a half pound in the least. I really want to just run the thing a couple times a year and make sure I have plenty of smoke for me and my friends. Right now it's gotta be going all year. From what I've seen vegging with these lights works REALLY well, just the flowering they don't seem to beef up the last 3 or so weeks like with my HPS.

[WhiskeyTango]

Just adding 2-3 23w 2700k CFLs per procyon will make you the happiest person in the world. The first run PRocyons had 435nm, so if you got that, your good. But you do need the 700nm and above fan. Its been proven man.
You will still get good ass nug without any supplement, proved that too, Im just adding my :twocents:

[N8palm420]

Hey you guys my top of the canopys of the plant are getting about 92 degrees with a nice breeze is that ok? im exhausting with clip fan and 8" little fan will post pics later

[N8palm420]

well heat was a issue The Fan Thanks for the info encouraging my led again so i put it back for awhile till i can get some good ecofans to cool my reflector and and exhaust my tent .

[N8palm420]

ok heres the updated pics one of my fan on the outside of tented as my intake

[ryan3009]

havent seen any new posts lately, are those plant up to size? they seen small for being this far in?:(

[N8palm420]

will update pics tom Had to off one it was not doing well I shocked with some cold water on accident 1 survived doing good Just got som lowryder 2 seed 9 week full grow cycle germinating as I speak Will keep you updated My friends

[Revanche21]

I think heat is a big issue for my grow also

last grow my buds did not smell nice because I think the heat evaporated all the good smells :(

I also have burn marks probably from heat stress and in my log, the taller plants have weird leaf formation and discoloration (probably due to heat stress)

[N8palm420]

cool yeah should have all my stuff set up this week for the Final rearrangment will put everything up give me a couple days lowryder2 going in soil tomorrow femanized and do a full grow in 9 weeks!!!!

[N8palm420]

ok heres the veg/flower room have the dr40 here in 3 days hopefully mon/tues for the procyon setup will take pics of that asap heres some pics 1 of the original grow and 2 lowryder2 female seedlings !!

[bigsmoke07]

sweet dude you should check my grow log i got like 8 plants growin in veg biggest is like 2 feet tall its fuckin cool and man im baked!!!!!

[WhiskeyTango]

I never had ANY heat issues with procyons. Had 5 of em in a closet, and it only raised the temp 6 deg. Your stuffs lookin good man! Keep it up!
good vibes


Wheelie king huh N8! How many blocks you got!...lol. I just sold my suzuki SV650 stunt bike. 52 tooth sprocket on a v-twin.....ooooh yeah. Wheelies with no clutch first 4 gears!!!!

[N8palm420]

I never had ANY heat issues with procyons. Had 5 of em in a closet, and it only raised the temp 6 deg. Your stuffs lookin good man! Keep it up!
good vibes


Wheelie king huh N8! How many blocks you got!...lol. I just sold my suzuki SV650 stunt bike. 52 tooth sprocket on a v-twin.....ooooh yeah. Wheelies with no clutch first 4 gears!!!!
Nice I do mostly acrobatics on it like skiing and all that but I can wheelie for about football field workin on the freeways need me a LITER bike dam it lol Glad your a rider Whiskey:clap:

[N8palm420]

oh yeah tent will be here wedns pics to follow of procyon!

[WhiskeyTango]

me too! Im not into any highway shit...Only parking lots for me. I ride chill on the road...MAD old people, lol. Was workin on highchairs when the misses got preggie...harder than it looks fo sho.
good vibes

[N8palm420]

Wont believe what happened Noooooo :( went to transplant to 3 gallon container and the soil split roots exposed so Im chopping that one to the game have lowryder seeds started so will put pics up shortly probally be done before those ones anyway but i got my tent today so got the procyon set-up just waiting for seedlings other 2 doing good.

[N8palm420]

sorry u guys for no update dumped my bike this week promise to get pics for you shortly!!!

[N8palm420]

well heres a couple pics of the lowryder 2's in the MH tent waiting on seed for the procyon to root then will update pics

[ryan3009]

you know, ive looked at several forum and most look the same. plants present themselfs fairly stringy with small buds before harvest. what do you think about a proycon w/ a 100 watt hps vs. 400 watt hps/mh grow?

[N8palm420]

Give me a couple weeks and I can tell you the difference between a procyon and a 250mh/hps grow about to do a comparison with the lowryder 2's

[wizzle]

I also bought LEDs but I think they're shitty qualty. However. I read that after turning your LED's off during the "night" you should turn on a low wattage HPS bulb for 30 minutes to simulate sunset because this supposedly needs 730nm which LEDs do not posses.

It could be bs since I'm not entirely satisfied with the LED-quality either and I read it on the sellers ebay site.

Check it out: eBay Winkel - HiddenHydro: Flowering under LED Grow Lights (http://stores.shop.ebay.nl/HiddenHydro/Flowering-under-LED-Grow-Lights.html)
mods, if this is seen as spam, I'm sorry and please delete

[Weezard]

Give me a couple weeks and I can tell you the difference between a procyon and a 250mh/hps grow about to do a comparison with the lowryder 2's

Been a couple weeks, yah?;)
So, what's the verdict?

Weeze

[Weezard]

Quest away then.

It's your thread, yah?:D

Aloha,
Weeze

[Revanche21]

Quest away then.

It's your thread, yah?:D

Aloha,
Weeze

lol a year later. ZOMBIE THREAD

[Weezard]

lol a year later. ZOMBIE THREAD

Too true.
But he asked me to send him an e-mail, elsewhere, just yesterday.
I felt this was more convenient.:cool:

Aloha rev.

Weeze