Chance % Mccain will die during office

[Revanche21]

Doctor estimates McCain's cancer death risk - health - 24 October 2008 - New Scientist (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn15026-doctor-estimates-mccains-cancer-death-risk.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=news9_head_dn15026)

If Palin becomes Prez... omfg don't get me started

Bush 2.0...:stoned:

[BeefsMyFav]

I think this is a ridiculous article, I dont think he will die and im definitely not casting my vote based on that. Anyone can die at any second the mccain age argument is so retarded. u know his mother is still alive?......Im just as scared of Biden becoming prez when Obama is assassinated

[dragonrider]

McCain has a far greater chance of dying in the next 4 years of a melanoma relapse than he does of being elected president. And if he IS elected, I have a 50% chance of dying of a heart attack triggered by shock.

[bobthenuker]

Unlikely that he would die, just my opinion though...we all know what would happen if he did though....
PalinAsPresident.com (http://www.palinaspresident.us/)

[flyingimam]

McCain has a far greater chance of dying in the next 4 years of a melanoma relapse than he does of being elected president. And if he IS elected, I have a 50% chance of dying of a heart attack triggered by shock.

haha

Tina Fey gotta find a way to mars asap if such a thing does take place!!!

[JaySin]

While some may think it's rediculous to worry about whether he may die, it is a REAL thing that we need to think about. Do we really want someone like Palin leading our country? I don't even want McCain leading our country, but if somehow he did get taken out of office... I fear for all of our well being if she takes over.

She has already showed that she doesn't know what she is doing. The only thing we need is people telling her what to do so she gets blamed instead of the people telling her what to do. Which is probably their plan anyways. That way they don't have to hold responsibility for the actions they tell her to take. It's scary to think about.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Watch Jack Cafferty's response to an excerpt of the Katie Couric interview with Palin a few weeks ago. Cafferty has been a news reporter since 1960, has seen a LOT, and could hardly contain himself, saying ".....and if that doesn't scare the hell out of you, IT SHOULD".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCRKl6ZvorE&feature=related

[dragonrider]

While some may think it's rediculous to worry about whether he may die, it is a REAL thing that we need to think about. Do we really want someone like Palin leading our country? I don't even want McCain leading our country, but if somehow he did get taken out of office... I fear for all of our well being if she takes over.

She has already showed that she doesn't know what she is doing. The only thing we need is people telling her what to do so she gets blamed instead of the people telling her what to do. Which is probably their plan anyways. That way they don't have to hold responsibility for the actions they tell her to take. It's scary to think about.

I think this is exactly what happened with George Bush. He is not personally as sinister as some people believe. He is just a guy with a half-baked ideology and not much brains who was in way over his head, and he got led along by the true sinister people who have their own agendas. He is probably actually an OK guy, but he didn't have the brains or balls to really be in charge. He will be blamed for all the mistakes and misdeeds of his presidency while a lot of people who bear the majority of responsibility will never be held to account.

Sarah Palin reminds me of him in that respect. She is like Geroge Bush on steroids, if that is even possible. She is not very smart. She really BELIEVES in her ideology, even though she doesn't even seem to know what it is all the time. And the McCain campaign has already shown that she can be manipulated and controled. She would be a PERFECT puppet.

[apocolips31]

Sense we are going to be betting on peoples life's here. What do you think the chance Obama will be assassinated or he will get into a car cash and die? This is such a stupid argument about McCain. Anyone in the world can die from anything. What if Obama gets his by a meteor when he is sworn in? I mean really it is just one more way someone can die really, but sense everyone is different maybe Obama has a higher chance of some disease then McCain. These are things that really matter and we need to think about LOL! I mean god for bid Joe Biden becomes president....:S2:

[stoned88911]

First, u all hate bush,

Can u name 10 things he did to make u hate him so much.

Dont even say the iraq war, EVERYONE thought it was a good idea after 9/11
and dont say hes stupid, tell me what he did that was stupid

And u all dislike palin?

Can u name 10 things u dislike about her?

All the liberal media bashes her becuase she is the best thing that mcain has, and they try to make everyone thinks shes a bad person.

So tell me what u dont like about them.

[bigtopsfinn]

"If BS were currency, Sarah Palin could bail out wall street by herself." I loved that one, I had to watch all of the Cafferty excerpts on youtube, but that one was the best.

But is Joe Biden any better? Not really. But I think both candidates had to choose running mates that wouldn't out-shine them too much, but they seem to be getting a lot of attention anyways. What a show! Better than reality TV, even from the other side of the pond.

Here in Finland we had a very popular president, who won many elections back to back. He ended up being so old and totally incapable of leading a country, but our government tried to hide that fact from the people. They even had him fishing and put scuba divers in the water to attach fish to his fishing line.

I can't remember which U.S. pres. it was that made the 2-term policy, but if I remember correctly it was because he was also gaining a lot of age, and felt that he could not do the job properly anymore at his old age.

I am not saying that John McCain is incapable at his age to perform the duties of the U.S. presidency, but a lot can happen in 4 years...

[apocolips31]

I am not saying that John McCain is incapable at his age to perform the duties of the U.S. presidency, but a lot can happen in 4 years... Exactly what if Obama has a mental break down or an accident and becomes retarded? I mean really the argument can go both ways. The fact of the matter is that we don't know what the future holds and we can't be talking about crap no one knows for sure. The point is anything can happen to anyone at any time.

[dragonrider]

Sense we are going to be betting on peoples life's here. What do you think the chance Obama will be assassinated or he will get into a car cash and die? This is such a stupid argument about McCain. Anyone in the world can die from anything. What if Obama gets his by a meteor when he is sworn in? I mean really it is just one more way someone can die really, but sense everyone is different maybe Obama has a higher chance of some disease then McCain. These are things that really matter and we need to think about LOL! I mean god for bid Joe Biden becomes president....:S2:

It's true that anyone can die at any time. That's why we have VPs. I think Joe Biden could be president, but Palin is not ready. Also, even though anyone can die at any time, most people do not have as much chance of dying in the next 4 to 8 years as a 72-year-old man who has cancer. That's the point of this article, that McCain has a statistically higher chance of dying in office than the average person would.

Ordinarilly I don't think McCain's high chance of dying in office would be a big factor in how people vote except for the fact that he picked such a bad VP.

Also, his chance of dying is not the only problem with his age --- the main problem is his ideas are of date.

[dragonrider]

First, u all hate bush,

Can u name 10 things he did to make u hate him so much.

Dont even say the iraq war, EVERYONE thought it was a good idea after 9/11
and dont say hes stupid, tell me what he did that was stupid

And u all dislike palin?

Can u name 10 things u dislike about her?

All the liberal media bashes her becuase she is the best thing that mcain has, and they try to make everyone thinks shes a bad person.

So tell me what u dont like about them.

You'll need a whole new thread for this, or we will get way off track here. But if you want to make one, I will give you my lists.

[bigtopsfinn]

Exactly what if Obama has a mental break down or an accident and becomes retarded? I mean really the argument can go both ways. The fact of the matter is that we don't know what the future holds and we can't be talking about crap no one knows for sure. The point is anything can happen to anyone at any time.

You are correct, we don't know what the future holds, and anything is possible. However, I was talking more about how, when people get older, their mental and physical fitness CAN deteriorate at a very quick rate. John McCain, ideologies aside, is fit to be president. BUT when you take statistics and common knowledge into account, he is a riskier choice if we are talking about him living through his first term vs. Obama living through his first term. This shouldn't be a deciding factor, however, on who you vote for. There are much more important issues from which you could/should base your decision on.

[WhiskeyTango]

100%

[dragonrider]

Watch Jack Cafferty's response to an excerpt of the Katie Couric interview with Palin a few weeks ago. Cafferty has been a news reporter since 1960, has seen a LOT, and could hardly contain himself, saying ".....and if that doesn't scare the hell out of you, IT SHOULD".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCRKl6ZvorE&feature=related

Ha ha! Jack Cafferty sure is a crusty old curmudgeonly pissed-off old man, but he has some great points here.

[the image reaper]

I couldn't even guess when McCain will die, Hell, his Mother isn't even dead yet :wtf:

[bigtopsfinn]

Ha ha! Jack Cafferty sure is a crusty old curmudgeonly pissed-off old man, but he has some great points here.

LOL... Couldn't have said it better myself!

[dragonrider]

I couldn't even guess when McCain will die, Hell, his Mother isn't even dead yet :wtf:

True about his Mom, and that is one thing in his favor. But sometimes people get the good genes, and sometimes they don't. What did McCain's father die of and when? Also John has cancer, and I don't think his mother does --- if she had cancer at 72, do you think she would be alive today?

[Its a Plant]

And u all dislike palin?

Can u name 10 things u dislike about her?

All the liberal media bashes her becuase she is the best thing that mcain has, and they try to make everyone thinks shes a bad person.

Well, for starters, she's a religious kook who thinks she has every solution to our problems, which is God, no less. The bible isn't meant to be taken literally lady. ;)

She also relates being the governor of Alaska to being vice-president of the entire country.

Or how she doesn't even answer the questions she's asked. She dances around it and says what's been rehearsed. Nothing graceful about this fumbling idiot.

07kO9TtHYzQ

Sorry to threadjack, too. If Johnny boy does make it into office by some stroke of luck, I'd give him a 60-40 chance. :jointsmile:

[stoned88911]

Well, for starters, she's a religious kook who thinks she has every solution to our problems, which is God, no less. The bible isn't meant to be taken literally lady. ;)

She also relates being the governor of Alaska to being vice-president of the entire country.

Or how she doesn't even answer the questions she's asked. She dances around it and says what's been rehearsed. Nothing graceful about this fumbling idiot.

07kO9TtHYzQ

Sorry to threadjack, too. If Johnny boy does make it into office by some stroke of luck, I'd give him a 60-40 chance. :jointsmile:

Can u tell me how Barrack Hussein Obama(aka the terrorist lover) is more qualified to run a country? his wife said her self "first time in her life she is proud of usa" He is friends with BILL Ayers!!!!!! HELLO!!!! why would anyone vote for him?Even his own running mate Biden doesnt think he can run a country.

[Its a Plant]

Can u tell me how Barrack Hussein Obama(aka the terrorist lover) is more qualified to run a country? his wife said her self "first time in her life she is proud of usa" He is friends with BILL Ayers!!!!!! HELLO!!!! why would anyone vote for him?Even his own running mate Biden doesnt think he can run a country.

Lol, well, childish insults aside, I'll leave it at this: even if Obama wasn't qualified (which he is ;)), he's the lesser of two evils in this election. Which is why he will end up winning.

I love how you didn't even acknowledge what I posted about Palin. :S2: Denial ain't just a river in Egypt...

[the image reaper]

Well, for starters, she's a religious kook who thinks she has every solution to our problems, which is God, no less. The bible isn't meant to be taken literally lady. ;)
:jointsmile:

regardless of whether you like or dislike Palin, your statement there, says it all, to me ... as a faithful Christian, I couldn't agree with her more ... YES, Christ IS the Solution, and, the Bible is meant to be taken literally, it's just that not enough people take the time to learn it ... God said what He means, and means what He says ... and, that's my :twocents: God Bless you, regardless, we're allowed to disagree :)

[WhiskeyTango]

Fuck em both...but what choice do we have? I'd go with its a plant. Obama is a lot less scary as our nations leader than McCain/Palin. I mean shit, she doesnt even know answers to questions we are talking about in here? The ONLY reason she is even there, is to try to take the Hillary supporters that dislike Obama...thats it... And a VERY poor choice if you ask me. I think the republicans picked these two KNOWING they WILL NOT win the election. As much as I hate this gov't, I still have some faith in our countries people. Its just not gonna happen. The people dont want moer of the last 8.

Retort?
:smokebong:

[WhiskeyTango]

And religious beliefs aside...It doesnt have its place in the gov't. I dont give a fuck if you worship albino gerbils. Its your thing. But leave it out of country-wide decisions. Like Bush saying god told him to go to war with Iraq. Really?!?!? If your talking to god, why the hell are we in this economic hell hole?

[Its a Plant]

regardless of whether you like or dislike Palin, your statement there, says it all, to me ... as a faithful Christian, I couldn't agree with her more ... YES, Christ IS the Solution, and, the Bible is meant to be taken literally, it's just that not enough people take the time to learn it ... God said what He means, and means what He says ... and, that's my :twocents: God Bless you, regardless, we're allowed to disagree :)

See, that's my problem. I do not want someone who's judgment is clouded by her religion to be involved in running our country.

Having faith is one thing, but to actually take things so literal that you try and apply them to the real world is just scary. But that's me being logical. Anyways, this is a whole other discussion for another day. I'll leave it at that.

Peace & love. :jointsmile:

[stoned88911]

Lol, well, childish insults aside, I'll leave it at this: even if Obama wasn't qualified (which he is ;)), he's the lesser of two evils in this election. Which is why he will end up winning.

I love how you didn't even acknowledge what I posted about Palin. :S2: Denial ain't just a river in Egypt...

Hey the Denial aint just a river in Egypt IS MY LINE!!!:D

About palin,

i didnt think one interview, and 3 things was enough to dislike anyone, so i didnt comment

But if interviews change ur mind about people

What about obama" Spread the wealth" with joe, last time i checked thats socialism.


Ha, plant we need to stops this, lol im never gona like obama and probly u will never like mcain, lets leave it at that and lets go toke:rastasmoke:

[Revanche21]

Hey the Denial aint just a river in Egypt IS MY LINE!!!:D

About palin,

i didnt think one interview, and 3 things was enough to dislike anyone, so i didnt comment

But if interviews change ur mind about people

What about obama" Spread the wealth" with joe, last time i checked thats socialism.


Ha, plant we need to stops this, lol im never gona like obama and probly u will never like mcain, lets leave it at that and lets go toke:rastasmoke:

Actually if Mccain was healthier and was more lax on social policies I would be all for him

Obama is my 'lesser of two evils'

[stoned88911]

Wow, cant beleive Health is somthing that is bothering u

And not the position on witch they stand (except social policies)

These to guys are complete oposite of each other

Mcain is healthy ask his MOM

[Delta9 UK]

Wow, cant beleive Health is somthing that is bothering u

I don't think health would be such a worry if Palin wasn't down for the VP role. It's as simple as that really, with a different more competent running mate this would not be such a big issue imho.

I'm on the other side of the Atlantic and Palin scares the shit out of me - and I'm not alone. We brits are watching this election very closely indeed.

[Revanche21]

Wow, cant beleive Health is somthing that is bothering u

And not the position on witch they stand (except social policies)

These to guys are complete oposite of each other

Mcain is healthy ask his MOM

well his recurring cancer worries me, I will not tolerate Palin as Prez, Palin is a complete moron who needs to be put in place

Mccain I am ok with

anyways too late, I already voted, besides I'm in Cali, so its a blue state regardless

[Esoteric416]

I already voted, besides I'm in Cali, so its a blue state regardless

The way I see it, that is part of the problem right there. :(

Some states just go to one or the other party every time so if u live there why ever bother voting?

Also it would be SOOOOO nice to have more choices than just two.

[magiccity445]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:OBAMA ALL DAY:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbs up::thumbsup:

[apocolips31]

See, that's my problem. I do not want someone who's judgment is clouded by her religion to be involved in running our country.

Having faith is one thing, but to actually take things so literal that you try and apply them to the real world is just scary. But that's me being logical. Anyways, this is a whole other discussion for another day. I'll leave it at that.

Peace & love. :jointsmile: So you are saying people shouldn't take their religion SERIOUSLY?:wtf:

[stoned88911]

First, u all hate bush,

Can u name 10 things he did to make u hate him so much.

Dont even say the iraq war, EVERYONE thought it was a good idea after 9/11
and dont say hes stupid, tell me what he did that was stupid

And u all dislike palin?

Can u name 10 things u dislike about her?

All the liberal media bashes her becuase she is the best thing that mcain has, and they try to make everyone thinks shes a bad person.

So tell me what u dont like about them.


So can u tell me why u dont like palin


Palin scares u? and not the people obama associates with, bill ayes, rev wright, and the long list of others. Even his own wife said herself she for the first time was proud of her country

Barrack Hussan Obama sounds like a terrorist to me, and sarah palin scares u???

U all say if republicans win palin is a heart beat away from being president

If democrats win Obama IS THE PRESIDENT that scares the shit out of me.

[Breukelen advocaat]

So you are saying people shouldn't take their religion SERIOUSLY?:wtf:
That would be a step in the right direction.

[flyingimam]

Exactly what if Obama has a mental break down or an accident and becomes retarded? I mean really the argument can go both ways. The fact of the matter is that we don't know what the future holds and we can't be talking about crap no one knows for sure. The point is anything can happen to anyone at any time.

u know nothing of statistics, u r shouting it aloud man;)

[flyingimam]

Hey the Denial aint just a river in Egypt IS MY LINE!!!:D

About palin,

i didnt think one interview, and 3 things was enough to dislike anyone, so i didnt comment

But if interviews change ur mind about people

What about obama" Spread the wealth" with joe, last time i checked thats socialism.


Ha, plant we need to stops this, lol im never gona like obama and probly u will never like mcain, lets leave it at that and lets go toke:rastasmoke:

eva since i remember u guys hated obama, and came across the excuses one by one

sort of like how government is against marijuana since 1930s and just tries to come up with all kinds of stuff to back its claim up

u either make a claim on basis of some backup initially
or u cant make a claim on air and then try to find some backup for it

just go back and track the negative things said about obama, they came one by one, but ironically the base that hated him remains that very same base, i don't think polls speak of anyone being persuaded to dislike him on the basis of claims being made one after another

and please review the claims that have been made and actually go and find the truth about them, u cannot for love of god compare Obama's association with J.Wright to that of his relationship with Ayers

and i don't really find this argument of knowing people by their associations, or maybe i should, however i dont find it a reliable measure, certainly not the only scale that i would use to weigh things. example: Rumsfeld shook hand of Saddam Hussein back in the old days and guess who led the war against him?

so u could argue how the hell he could be the defense secretary on a war with saddam, but he was and he indeed kicked his ass, voiding and making an exception of such arguments

[stoned88911]

Dont know where rumsfeld came from.
We are not talking about that, we are talking about the highest postition in the united states.

[theforthdrive]

Exactly what if Obama has a mental break down or an accident and becomes retarded? I mean really the argument can go both ways. The fact of the matter is that we don't know what the future holds and we can't be talking about crap no one knows for sure. The point is anything can happen to anyone at any time.

Am I the only person that understands math.... or had to take statistics? The odds of Obamas mental break down or retardation with no prior instants of such illnesses makes them a long shot. And WTF, the odds of a meteor slamming into Obama is so small only a retard would bring it up. Yet on the other hand, I think it deserves at least a thought about a 72 yo man that was had bouts (4 times ????) with cancer. I mean, there is a real statistical chance that McCain could die in office. is this the end of the world, maybe... maybe not. but it sure as hell makes me worried that he picked Pallin and not someone more qualified to take over the office.

[Revanche21]

So can u tell me why u dont like palin


Palin scares u? and not the people obama associates with, bill ayes, rev wright, and the long list of others. Even his own wife said herself she for the first time was proud of her country

Barrack Hussan Obama sounds like a terrorist to me, and sarah palin scares u???

U all say if republicans win palin is a heart beat away from being president

If democrats win Obama IS THE PRESIDENT that scares the shit out of me.

your proud of our country that is rapidly falling behind in economics, science, education?

I'm not very proud to call myself an american you do realize 80% of the world hates us or at least thinks of us as retards that just got rich off of WWII?

his name sounds like a terrorist does not mean he is one

Sarah palin thinks you can 'pray gayness away' shows her complete lack of understanding of contemporary biology and psychology

Palin and Mccain would ideally like to see more religious crap in our public school systems and this is a HUGE problem for me. Religion has no place in school, it gets in the way of actual learning

I don't want to get too into this... im done :stoned:

[Revanche21]

Am I the only person that understands math.... or had to take statistics? The odds of Obamas mental break down or retardation with no prior instants of such illnesses makes them a long shot. And WTF, the odds of a meteor slamming into Obama is so small only a retard would bring it up. Yet on the other hand, I think it deserves at least a thought about a 72 yo man that was had bouts (4 times ????) with cancer. I mean, there is a real statistical chance that McCain could die in office. is this the end of the world, maybe... maybe not. but it sure as hell makes me worried that he picked Pallin and not someone more qualified to take over the office.

I do! you know, stats should be required in highschool!

with todays world, and statistics being flung back and forth and people not understanding the basics of it really scares me!

[rebgirl420]

Obama has the same if not greater chance of dying in office also.

And I would pick Palin over Biden any day of the week.

[theforthdrive]

Obama has the same if not greater chance of dying in office also.

And I would pick Palin over Biden any day of the week.

care to elaborate?! "the same if not greater".... Im I confused? Fact remains that a 72 yo man that has a history of serious medical conditions has a greater chance of dying than a healthy (whatever younger age Obama is) man. Please dont say something weak like.. he'll get shot. lets all remember that the last whack job that tried to kill a Pres. didnt do it for some great political/ social agenda. it was because he thought Jodie Foster was hot! So again, how, statistically speaking from reality, is Obama more likely to die in office than McCain. Im not asking for you political views... trust me, our voter registration cards say the same thing.

ps... not to hijack the thread but you started school awhile back... not as scary as you thought huh? LOL, wait until you get to statistics!

[rebgirl420]

care to elaborate?! "the same if not greater".... Im I confused? Fact remains that a 72 yo man that has a history of serious medical conditions has a greater chance of dying than a healthy (whatever younger age Obama is) man. Please dont say something weak like.. he'll get shot. lets all remember that the last whack job that tried to kill a Pres. didnt do it for some great political/ social agenda. it was because he thought Jodie Foster was hot! So again, how, statistically speaking from reality, is Obama more likely to die in office than McCain. Im not asking for you political views... trust me, our voter registration cards say the same thing.

ps... not to hijack the thread but you started school awhile back... not as scary as you thought huh? LOL, wait until you get to statistics!

Yes McCain is 72, but that shouldn't matter. In this day and age the life expectancy (And by that I don't mean "alive" as in eating through a straw and not being able to walk) is in the 80's. And him having cancer doesn't make him more liekly to die, at least not his cancer. The man is healthy.

And like it or not even though Obama is healthy (which by the way he has as good as chance as anybody of acquiring cancer or even a heart attack, even if he does appear healthy) there is a good chance that someone is going to try to kill him. I don't want him to die, get cancer or anything but it's true. Some people are just not going to sit and grin when he takes his oath. How that is "weak" I really don't know.

I know that the last time a president got shot is was for a stupid reason but if you give that kind of chance to both McCain and Obama you also have to realize that on top of THAT randomness Obama has a whole other set of reasons to get shot. Him being assasinated it a very real threat, as it is for McCain but you can't tell me Obama doesn't beat McCain on THAT one by a whole lot.

Oh and yeah school has been pretty nifty. I enjoy it haha.

[Revanche21]

the average life expectancy is actually about 77 years

so even if mccain didnt have recurring melanoma, chances of him dying are actually very high

rebgirl why would you want Palin?

-she wants creationism taught alongside evolution (shows us she is scientifically retarded)
-She thinks you can pray away gayness (religious and biologically and psychologically retarded)
-She wants to overturn Roe vs Wade (if someone gets raped, you MUST have the child. not to mention all the back alley closet hanger abortions that will begin)

anyone but Palin is my slogan :thumbsup:

[rebgirl420]

the average life expectancy is actually about 77 years

so even if mccain didnt have recurring melanoma, chances of him dying are actually very high

rebgirl why would you want Palin?

-she wants creationism taught alongside evolution (shows us she is scientifically retarded)
-She thinks you can pray away gayness (religious and biologically and psychologically retarded)
-She wants to overturn Roe vs Wade (if someone gets raped, you MUST have the child. not to mention all the back alley closet hanger abortions that will begin)

anyone but Palin is my slogan :thumbsup:


Well it's not so much that I WANT Palin. It's much rather that I don't want Obama or Biden. I am very pro-choice, pro-gay and very anti-religion. However I really sincerely doubt that McCain will die in office, no matter what anyone says. But even if he does you have to see that the Democratic congress and senate and all that jazz will never let her extreme shit through. Checks and balances are a hell of thing.

However if Biden gets in there I believe he could pass his radical far left views because the Democratic congress and senate, ect. will let his shit pass.

It all comes down to the fact that we all got the very short end of the stick. No one really likes their choices. It's just a matter of who do you hate less and/or who could do the least damage until the next 4 years when we will get a whole new lottery of schmucks and assholes.

[Revanche21]

Well it's not so much that I WANT Palin. It's much rather that I don't want Obama or Biden. I am very pro-choice, pro-gay and very anti-religion. However I really sincerely doubt that McCain will die in office, no matter what anyone says. But even if he does you have to see that the Democratic congress and senate and all that jazz will never let her extreme shit through. Checks and balances are a hell of thing.

However if Biden gets in there I believe he could pass his radical far left views because the Democratic congress and senate, ect. will let his shit pass.

It all comes down to the fact that we all got the very short end of the stick. No one really likes their choices. It's just a matter of who do you hate less and/or who could do the least damage until the next 4 years when we will get a whole new lottery of schmucks and assholes.

I don't think Obama will get assassinated

but if you are all those things you just claim, why Mccain? hes the opposite of all that, do you agree with his economical plan to give tax breaks to the wealthy?

[rebgirl420]

No I agree with his plan not to tax ANYONE, wealhty or not. Because if you haven't realised the people who hire you and sign your paychecks are "wealthy". Why should you be punished for making money and making the economy go round?

This spread the wealth bullshit has got to stop.

Not to mention I may agree on some social aspects of Obama's campaign but I mostly agree with McCain. I am against socialised healthcare for example. I am very pro gun. I am for the war. I am anti-welfare. Shit like that makes it oh so much more bearable to vote in McCain.

[theforthdrive]

wikipedia says that the US male life expectancy is 75.15 years and that only 6 presidents out of 43 have been wounded or worse from an assassination attempt. so from a number point of view its far greater that mccain dies than obama gets clipped. I guess its in your wording. you say there is a "good chance" which I take as more than 50% less than 100% hes assassinated yet it cant register that statistically speaking McCain doesnt have much longer. I am not saying he is going to die. But the thread was about chances of McCain dying not politics for left to right.

[Revanche21]

No I agree with his plan not to tax ANYONE, wealhty or not. Because if you haven't realised the people who hire you and sign your paychecks are "wealthy". Why should you be punished for making money and making the economy go round?

This spread the wealth bullshit has got to stop.

Not to mention I may agree on some social aspects of Obama's campaign but I mostly agree with McCain. I am against socialised healthcare for example. I am very pro gun. I am for the war. I am anti-welfare. Shit like that makes it oh so much more bearable to vote in McCain.

Im against socialised healthcare too but in the grand scheme of things I think mccain has worse ideas and stances(and hes gonna die soon ;) )

yea but when 1% of the population owns roughly 60% of the country's wealth, its disturbing to not tax them more

I don't like mccains idea of health care credits tho, isn't that kind of like welfare?

[rebgirl420]

wikipedia says that the US male life expectancy is 75.15 years and that only 6 presidents out of 43 have been wounded or worse from an assassination attempt. so from a number point of view its far greater that mccain dies than obama gets clipped. I guess its in your wording. you say there is a "good chance" which I take as more than 50% less than 100% hes assassinated yet it cant register that statistically speaking McCain doesnt have much longer. I am not saying he is going to die. But the thread was about chances of McCain dying not politics for left to right.

Yeah well did you factor in that we've NEVER had a black president? Your stats are fitting for the all white presidents that we've had but whites are the predominant race in the U.S. and that racist tone is not fitting for them. Look at all the highly regarded black leaders from the past, and let's see how many of them died by the bullet.

This isn't even about left or right. And I hope it doesn't look that way from my posts as that is not my point.

[theforthdrive]

. I am very pro-choice, pro-gay and very anti-religion.

...and you smoke weed. how exactly do you identify with the republican party! LOL, Im teasing you. Im kinda the same way. From a personal freedom point of view Im kinda liberal, but from a gov't stand point kinda conservative. I suppose our difference is that Im a disgruntled republican and have been since they took Bush over McCain in 2000! Nothings made sense to me since then.

[rebgirl420]

...and you smoke weed. how exactly do you identify with the republican party! LOL, Im teasing you. Im kinda the same way. From a personal freedom point of view Im kinda liberal, but from a gov't stand point kinda conservative. I suppose our difference is that Im a disgruntled republican and have been since they took Bush over McCain in 2000! Nothings made sense to me since then.

I identify with the Republican party because real Republicans are Libertarians. And I my friend (Oh god, McCain is rubbing off on me haha) am a Libertarian. My Republican party has lost it's way but one day we'll get it back.

[theforthdrive]

Yeah well did you factor in that we've NEVER had a black president? Your stats are fitting for the all white presidents that we've had but whites are the predominant race in the U.S. and that racist tone is not fitting for them. Look at all the highly regarded black leaders from the past, and let's see how many of them died by the bullet.

This isn't even about left or right. And I hope it doesn't look that way from my posts as that is not my point.

Jesse Jackson, Louis farrakhan, Al Sharpton, and even Jerimiah Wright all seem to be old "Black" leaders. And have had their platforms for decades. Malcolm X and MLK we killed in the sixies right after the Civil rights act of 1964. Alot has changed... for the better!

[rebgirl420]

I dunno, this shit hasn't changed. You may think it has but I assure you it hasn't. Everythings equal on t.v. but in real life that equality stops short on a lot of people's dorrsteps.

And most of those black leaders you mentioned have been shot at, even if they havn't been hit.

I'm no racist, shit if Obama had my Libertarian views I'd vote for him in a second but I work at the republican headquarters and you would fucking die if you heard the shit I do! Racism is still alive, I assure you. Maybe not like it was in the 60's and before but guess what? All you need is ONE, count em' ONE lunatic with a rifle. Or any other means to kill someone with for that matter.

[Revanche21]

I identify with the Republican party because real Republicans are Libertarians. And I my friend (Oh god, McCain is rubbing off on me haha) am a Libertarian. My Republican party has lost it's way but one day we'll get it back.

Im a libertarian voting for Obama

[rebgirl420]

So your a Libertarian who wants bigger government then?

Good stuff.

[veggii]

the chance of him dying in office is 0% cause he aint getting in the office :cool:

[Revanche21]

So your a Libertarian who wants bigger government then?

Good stuff.

Although my party affiliation would have me vote against any expansion in government, Voting for mccain is just irresponsible to my country sorry I just can't do it besides I live in CA my state will be blue

[theforthdrive]

I dunno, this shit hasn't changed. You may think it has but I assure you it hasn't. Everythings equal on t.v. but in real life that equality stops short on a lot of people's dorrsteps.

And most of those black leaders you mentioned have been shot at, even if they havn't been hit.

I'm no racist, shit if Obama had my Libertarian views I'd vote for him in a second but I work at the republican headquarters and you would fucking die if you heard the shit I do! Racism is still alive, I assure you. Maybe not like it was in the 60's and before but guess what? All you need is ONE, count em' ONE lunatic with a rifle. Or any other means to kill someone with for that matter.

I bow out..... Im not touching this anymore. But I stick to my main point. regardless of political beliefs, there is a real statistical chance of John McCain dying from natural causes while in office if elected to the white house.

[rebgirl420]

Yes, yes there is.

But there is also a good chance that Obama will too.

So it's a good point either way.

[flyingimam]

I dunno, this shit hasn't changed. You may think it has but I assure you it hasn't. Everythings equal on t.v. but in real life that equality stops short on a lot of people's dorrsteps.

And most of those black leaders you mentioned have been shot at, even if they havn't been hit.

I'm no racist, shit if Obama had my Libertarian views I'd vote for him in a second but I work at the republican headquarters and you would fucking die if you heard the shit I do! Racism is still alive, I assure you. Maybe not like it was in the 60's and before but guess what? All you need is ONE, count em' ONE lunatic with a rifle. Or any other means to kill someone with for that matter.

this is true, however i firmly believe secret service is there for a good reason these days and lessons must have been learned from past incidents.

i mean if in 2008/2009 with all the scrutiny and security and intel we got, such a thing actually happens, then i donno what to say.

[JaySin]

I seriously can't imagine why anyone would feel safe with Palin as president. Am I seeing things in some sort of alternate reality? I hope so, cause the Palin I've been seeing is more of a puppet then they could have ever hoped Bush to be.

[Revanche21]

I seriously can't imagine why anyone would feel safe with Palin as president. Am I seeing things in some sort of alternate reality? I hope so, cause the Palin I've been seeing is more of a puppet then they could have ever hoped Bush to be.

Bush 2.0

[Reefer Rogue]

It's pretty obvious to me that Mccain has a far greater chance of dying sooner then Obama. That would leave Palin as the president, what a joke the US would be then, it would be an absolute farce. Obama brings about positive liberty and he's gonna bring the change to rejuvinate the greatness for which the US originally stoof for. He's going to help more people then Mccain will, 95% infact. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Just want to add i can't stand all these borderline racist allegations and falsities that are being spewed. It just shows what foul people there still are in the underbelly.

[apocolips31]

u know nothing of statistics, u r shouting it aloud man;) No obviously you don't just because something is more probable doesn't make it a fact that it will happen. There is always a chance for something. The chance the world won't end tomorrow are high, but what about the day it really does end? It is always possible and debating on chance is foolish. Better to debate about things that are a little more concrete.

[Revanche21]

No obviously you don't just because something is more probable doesn't make it a fact that it will happen. There is always a chance for something. The chance the world won't end tomorrow are high, but what about the day it really does end? It is always possible and debating on chance is foolish. Better to debate about things that are a little more concrete.

thats the whole point of statistics, it gives you a better idea

if I said you have a 75% of dying tomorrow

you can say anything can happen and its chance bla bla bla
but fact would be that 3 times out of 4 you would die

to deny any claims that aren't concrete is like saying lets drop everything we can possibly talk about a lot of politics is abstract anyway

statistics are very useful in helping us make decisions about abstract ideas and concepts

[apocolips31]

thats the whole point of statistics, it gives you a better idea

if I said you have a 75% of dying tomorrow

you can say anything can happen and its chance bla bla bla
but fact would be that 3 times out of 4 you would die

to deny any claims that aren't concrete is like saying lets drop everything we can possibly talk about a lot of politics is abstract anyway

statistics are very useful in helping us make decisions about abstract ideas and concepts
I am not denying anything. I agree there is a chance McCain can die in presidency just like there is for Obama, but for that to a major factor in my vote is ridiculous. I am not a person for chance. I believe that everything that happens was meant to happen and that no matter the chance it will happen.

[flyingimam]

No obviously you don't just because something is more probable doesn't make it a fact that it will happen. There is always a chance for something. The chance the world won't end tomorrow are high, but what about the day it really does end? It is always possible and debating on chance is foolish. Better to debate about things that are a little more concrete.


thats the whole point of statistics, it gives you a better idea

if I said you have a 75% of dying tomorrow

you can say anything can happen and its chance bla bla bla
but fact would be that 3 times out of 4 you would die

to deny any claims that aren't concrete is like saying lets drop everything we can possibly talk about a lot of politics is abstract anyway

statistics are very useful in helping us make decisions about abstract ideas and concepts


I am not denying anything. I agree there is a chance McCain can die in presidency just like there is for Obama, but for that to a major factor in my vote is ridiculous. I am not a person for chance. I believe that everything that happens was meant to happen and that no matter the chance it will happen.

I rest my case :thumbsup:

[Revanche21]

I am not denying anything. I agree there is a chance McCain can die in presidency just like there is for Obama, but for that to a major factor in my vote is ridiculous. I am not a person for chance. I believe that everything that happens was meant to happen and that no matter the chance it will happen.

everything that happens was meant to happen is a loaded statement with no real merit and not falsifiable dunno why you would believe in something that can't be disproved if your so meticulous in your facts :)

but the chance of mccain dying is much higher than Obamas and im looking at it from a Obama vs Mccain, Biden vs Palin argument, I would be fine with the 3 but not Palin, she is just Bush 2.0 I can't deal with that

anyways im gonna drop the issue peace love and :stoned:

[apocolips31]

I rest my case :thumbsup:

Right but, that is not what you said at all lol.

[Revanche21]

Right but, that is not what you said at all lol.

exactly

[flyingimam]

Right but, that is not what you said at all lol.


exactly

I saw no point repeating what revanche had already written, i quoted (gave credit) and would have said the same exact thing if i wanted to respond to your initial denial about what i said "u dont know statistics" and counter-claim that i dont know it, u know? didnt wanna get into it in a personal way and still wont, this is just for clarification. i have no other comments regarding this thing :D

didn't wanna hurt no feelings, just merely was trying to rationally criticize a claim that had been made. sometimes my str8forwardness looks rather harsh in text, but i cant help it...

Peace n :stoned: as revanche said :D;)

[apocolips31]

Man..... This is going around in circles. You can't criticize someone for not knowing about statistics when what they are saying is statistically possible... It is not if McCain living is some .0000034% chance.

[maladroit]

Plot to assassinate Obama uncovered
Last Updated: Monday, October 27, 2008 | 5:33 PM ET Comments77Recommend166
The Associated Press

U.S. authorities said Monday they have broken up a plot to assassinate U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in Tennessee.

In court records unsealed Monday, federal agents said they disrupted two neo-Nazi skinheads' plans to rob a gun store and target an unnamed but predominantly African-American high school.

The skinheads, reported to be of 20 and 18 years of age, did not identify the school by name, said federal agents.

The two men planned to kill 88 black people and decapitate an additional 14, said Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the Nashville field office for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The men also sought to go on a national killing spree, with Obama as their final target, Cavanaugh told The Associated Press.

"They said that would be their last, final act â?? that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."