Bull Fighting

[mr chinnery]

What's everyone's opinions on bull fighting? Antiquated gladiatorial crualty with no place in modern society? A sign of a rich culture not prepared to forfeit tradition for political correctness?

Intelligent comments only...

[deadboy]

Fucking barbaric if you ask me. Basically torture of an innocent animal. I am totally cheering for the bull to kill the fruity looking little matador. Cockfighting, dog fighting, bullfights all should be illegal.

[sawleaf]

Yeah I root for the bull also, it's more exciting seeing the guy with the swords get mauled.

[az666]

Fucking barbaric if you ask me. Basically torture of an innocent animal. I am totally cheering for the bull to kill the fruity looking little matador. Cockfighting, dog fighting, bullfights all should be illegal.

i completly agree
its not the nicest thing to ever do!
or the sport with the most point behind it....but then its cultural i guess....still should be made illegal

[GHoSToKeR]

all sports such as bull fighting, cock fighting, dog fighting, bear baiting, hunting etc are all barbaric and disgusting

[juggalo420]

i think its ok, i mean if i was a bull i would rather die that way than be killed for a steak, at least prior to the fights those bulls are given great medical treatment and allowed to run and exercise in open fields so there in tip top shape for the fight, id rather that way than the other option which is being crowded in cages and eventually getting killed for some meat.


also since im a meat eater i would find it hipocritical of me to condem other cultures treatment of animals.

[Euphoric]

it's evil and wrong.

At best, the term â??bullfightingâ?� is a misnomer, as there is usually little competition between a nimble sword-wielding matador (Spanish for â??killerâ?�) and a confused, maimed, psychologically tormented, and physically debilitated bull.http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=64

[StarcommanderX]

i enjoy killing a bull once in a while.

[Euphoric]

i enjoy killing a bull once in a while.
you would :rolleyes:

[maryjanemama]

There's no sport in killing an animal.

[juggalo420]

There's no sport in killing an animal.
its some kinda sport cause the matador has a good chance of getting killed himself.

[dylan]

i think its ok, i mean if i was a bull i would rather die that way than be killed for a steak, at least prior to the fights those bulls are given great medical treatment and allowed to run and exercise in open fields so there in tip top shape for the fight, id rather that way than the other option which is being crowded in cages and eventually getting killed for some meat.


i feel the same way!!! you took the words right out of my mouth!!

[GHoSToKeR]

thats ridiculous. Just because an animal may get killed for meat (which is also barbaric), then it means its okay to kill it for sport??? surely that means its okay for me to murder another human for sport, because they may or may not die by getting hit by a bus?

[dylan]

what i mean is that a animal killed for sport has a chance and gets to die with honor like a hero, rather than live it's entire life in a box to be routinely killed on an assembelly line. would you rather be killed for sport or in a factory?

[koshea]

i think it is past culture and everyones modernized PETA-ish views on past culture make it look barbaric when in reality it is a sport, a dangerous sport, and an entertaining sport...the human obsession with the sensations of pain and suffering, be it human or animal, will plauge the minds of humans and the acts of cultures till the end of time

its natrual to be intreauged by it, i believe it is NOT immoral, and that it is a respectible traditional practice

[F L E S H]

I think bullfighting is a lot more humane than industrial slaughter houses. I'm also the complete opposite of a vegetarian, I would inhale meat if I could.

I think that like it or ot, we are nothing more than animals with a bigger brain. We have natural instincts, and killing other species for food is one of them. Of course, since 'civilization' occurred, killing for food has slowly and gradually been phased out. When was that last time anyone on this board HAD to hunt to eat, or eat nothing at all? No one, yet the urge is still in us. A ritualized confrontation like bullfighting is cathartic for lots of people. I personally don't like it, because I can't stand to see animals hurt. On the other hand, I still think it's better than put cows on a conveyor belt and having a machine do all the dirty work.

[Lulu]

I hate it too, but the bulls do get the best of treatment prior to that point. I'd love to watch the Bull run in Pamplona tho', notice I said "Watch" - running up those cobbled streets with galloping, frenzied bulls hot on your arse is not my idea of a good time.

:D RUN FOREST RUN :D LMAO

[deadboy]

You would like the end of the running of the bulls, when they massacre them all in the stadium. They banned camcorders from that part too, i guess they are ashamed.

Slaughterhouse cows get a quick shot to the head. Bullfighting is a long and drawn out process.
I still dont understand the comparison of hunting with bull fighting. One provides you with food, the other is torturing animals for sport. Maybe if hunters shot the deer in the leg, let it hobble for a while, shot it in the other leg, taunted it and then killed it, it would be the same.
Anyway i support seal hunt, how many people get hysterical about that just because they are cute?

[Lulu]

You would like the end of the running of the bulls, when they massacre them all in the stadium. They banned camcorders from that part too, i guess they are ashamed.

Slaughterhouse cows get a quick shot to the head. Bullfighting is a long and drawn out process.
I still dont understand the comparison of hunting with bull fighting. One provides you with food, the other is torturing animals for sport. Maybe if hunters shot the deer in the leg, let it hobble for a while, shot it in the other leg, taunted it and then killed it, it would be the same.
Anyway i support seal hunt, how many people get hysterical about that just because they are cute?
Ok ok, wrecked buzz imminent.......i can feel it :(

[NowhereMan]

all sports such as bull fighting, cock fighting, dog fighting, bear baiting, hunting etc are all barbaric and disgusting


hunting is a needed thing,
no not the dude mounting his wall with big ass horns and heads
but for food,and to keep that knowlegde of how to do it

is it abused
yes
but what aint.?

as far as putting a animal in a closed in area and stabbing it
thats right back to ROMAN Gladiator days thinking
it dont take nerve
takes stupidity
but MILLIONS pay to see it so it will go on and on
least they get a day to run down the street stomping dumasses in the running of the bulls,.
and yes id root for the bull sadly
peace

[bushsmoker]

i think the important thing about bull fighting is that it's a man with a sword and a cape against a great big snorting bull. Therein lies the sport, both have a chance, but only one will win. I wouldn't root for either but it's amazing to watch. Great showmanship combined with the thrill of seeing something, be it man or beast, fight to the death in an arena...Maybe I have watched Gladiator too many times...

[mr chinnery]

I'll second that. Because I said it. On someone else's account. Oops.

[deadboy]

Ok ok, wrecked buzz imminent.......i can feel it :(


Sorry lu

[SmoKa]

I dont agree with it.

[anycraic]

its bloody stupid, there was lots going on in spain when i was there, refused to go on principle, they should have child-rapist fighting instead, i would pay to see that.....

[Encatuse]

You would like the end of the running of the bulls, when they massacre them all in the stadium. They banned camcorders from that part too, i guess they are ashamed.

Slaughterhouse cows get a quick shot to the head. Bullfighting is a long and drawn out process.

Here's a tissue. -hands you a tissue-

Anyway. Do we really care? And if we do, we clearly are really fucking stupid. Because there is so much worse shit going on then some random spaniard poking a bull to death. Is it an unfair fight? Yes. Is shooting a deer in the face with an arrow fairer? No, it's less fair. Animals are being poked at with swords all over the world. People are beating their weiner dogs. Cats are getting tossed in lakes. Your fellow man are getting murdered randomly.

Are we supposed to shed a tear every time something barbaric happens on this planet? Are we supposed to try and stop every barbaric time honored tradition out there?

And everyone who's saying "I ROOT 4 TEH BOOL BECAUSE THE MAN SHOULD DIE BECAUSE IT'S BARBARIC"

Think about it, isn't it 10 times more barbaric to cheer for the death of some spanish guy you've never met in your life then a BULL? "Don't kill that bull! It's inHUMANe... instead kill that guy over there."

-eats a pandaburger-

[Encatuse]

they should have child-rapist fighting instead, i would pay to see that.....

Agreed.

[Button Basher]

i think its ok, i mean if i was a bull i would rather die that way than be killed for a steak, at least prior to the fights those bulls are given great medical treatment and allowed to run and exercise in open fields so there in tip top shape for the fight.

Actually the bull is usually wounded and/or sedated prior to the fight so the matador is all safe and cosy. It's all just senseless bullshit in the long run!

[Button Basher]

Anyway. Do we really care? And if we do, we clearly are really fucking stupid. Because there is so much worse shit going on then some random spaniard poking a bull to death.

Sure there is, but the topic of discussion is bullfighting. Had this been the 'Whats the most barbaric sport on earth' thread and everyone mentioned bullfighting then you may have a point.

You want cheese with your pandaburger :D ?

[Reefer Rogue]

Here's a tissue. -hands you a tissue-

Anyway. Do we really care? And if we do, we clearly are really fucking stupid. Because there is so much worse shit going on then some random spaniard poking a bull to death. Is it an unfair fight? Yes. Is shooting a deer in the face with an arrow fairer? No, it's less fair. Animals are being poked at with swords all over the world. People are beating their weiner dogs. Cats are getting tossed in lakes. Your fellow man are getting murdered randomly.

Are we supposed to shed a tear every time something barbaric happens on this planet? Are we supposed to try and stop every barbaric time honored tradition out there?

And everyone who's saying "I ROOT 4 TEH BOOL BECAUSE THE MAN SHOULD DIE BECAUSE IT'S BARBARIC"

Think about it, isn't it 10 times more barbaric to cheer for the death of some spanish guy you've never met in your life then a BULL? "Don't kill that bull! It's inHUMANe... instead kill that guy over there."

-eats a pandaburger-

Funny shit. :cool:

[deadboy]

Here's a tissue. -hands you a tissue-

Anyway. Do we really care? And if we do, we clearly are really fucking stupid. Because there is so much worse shit going on then some random spaniard poking a bull to death.


So because there is "worse shit" happening it doesnt matter? I fail to see how the fact there is someone killing someone else makes torturing animals ok. There is always going to be murder, so by your logic anything not as bad as that is ok? Murder is worse than rape, is rape okay? Not worth crying over because "worse shit" is happening somewhere?


"Cats are getting tossed in lakes"

By people like you!


"Are we supposed to shed a tear every time something barbaric happens on this planet? Are we supposed to try and stop every barbaric time honored tradition out there?"


No we should cherish mankinds time honored traditions. In fact i am going to slap my gf because its a tradition. Lots of time honored traditions has been killed off, like human sacrifice or chasity belts, because now we see they are wrong. I dont agree with doing evil shit because its tradition. I am not crying dumbass, i just dont approve of torturing animals.



"And everyone who's saying "I ROOT 4 TEH BOOL BECAUSE THE MAN SHOULD DIE BECAUSE IT'S BARBARIC

Think about it, isn't it 10 times more barbaric to cheer for the death of some spanish guy you've never met in your life then a BULL? "Don't kill that bull! It's inHUMANe... instead kill that guy over there."



The spanish poof chose to be in a ring with a bull. One them had a choice, and it wasnt the bull.


"eats a pandaburger"


Good job endangered animals make tasty treats

[Dick Justice]

www.jlodown.com

Go on and tell me you're up at night over bullfights. It is barbaric. It's archaic and it's an ugly thing to do. There's so much worse shit out there it's just unimaginable. You gotta prioritize your distress! :p

That fur-skinning shit really did keep me up at night, by the way. Check out the videos and tell me that's not gonna give you some fucking nightmares.

[maryjanemama]

I can't believe I agree with deadboy on something, but he is absolutely right about this topic. Bullfighting is wrong and no one will change my mind about it. As far as the mantador, any idiot who gets in an arena with a bull, and misses with his sword, deserves to be shish-kabobed. Sport, yeah right.

[GHoSToKeR]

Look, I can't believe people are saying bullfighting is good because then the animal doesn't have to die in a slaughter house. COME ON!! That's ridiculous! Animals shouldn't be dying in bull fights OR slaughter houses.. One does not justify the other.

"And everyone who's saying "I ROOT 4 TEH BOOL BECAUSE THE MAN SHOULD DIE BECAUSE IT'S BARBARIC"

Think about it, isn't it 10 times more barbaric to cheer for the death of some spanish guy you've never met in your life then a BULL? "Don't kill that bull! It's inHUMANe... instead kill that guy over there.""

Encatause, dude.. Just because you disagree, you don't have to make us (people against hunting, etc) look like illiterate fools.

Nowhereman, hunting is not neccesary.

F L E S H, you have just inadvertantly proven my point. BECAUSE we are the animal with the biggest brain capacity, we should be able to see that killing and eating another living creature is wrong. BUT, because we can 'think for ourselves', we have tricked ourselves into believing that its neccesary to eat meat to survive.

If somebody was to perform an autopsy on you after you die, they'lll find a load of partially digested meat in your stomach or intestines (can't rememeber which). Do you know why this is? It's because meat does not digest properly, ergo, humans are not designed to eat meat... Maybe we like it, but it doesn't mean it's essential to survival.

In my opinion, murdering a cow, dog, pig, fish, cat, human, or any living creature is equally disgusting. Just because most people believe that we are superior, and that its okay to kill other life to sustain ours, it doesnt mean im gonna. Im glad I became vegetarian when I did. I feel healthier, stronger, and a huge weight has been lifted off my consciousness.

P.S. If anyone feels the need to reply to me by offending me, telling me to fuck off, or calling me a 'hippy', 'commie' or 'liberal' then don't bother. Also, if you feel like trying to persuade me that eating meat is right, then don't bother. Just because the bible says its okay, doesn't mean it is, and you're not gonna change my mind. Keep your blood-thirsty, murderous opinions to yourselves. End of rant.

[sawleaf]

www.jlodown.comThat fur-skinning shit really did keep me up at night, by the way. Check out the videos and tell me that's not gonna give you some fucking nightmares.

That is about the most disturbing video I've seen! Very, very sad. Watch this people! :(

[Encatuse]

Encatause, dude.. Just because you disagree, you don't have to make us (people against hunting, etc) look like illiterate fools.

Naw, this wasn't my intention. Everyone who's commented on the subject has done so in a way that I can read just fine. ^.^ That's just the way I write when I'm expressing other people's opinions. It just makes me look cooler. -laughs- And I don't think there's anything wrong with being against hunting... just don't go cheering for some guy to get stabbed through his stomach with a Bull's horn, gored, and tossed around like a rag-doll as his internal organs get ripped about.

But seriously, how can someone say killing a bull with a sword is barbaric and then cheer for the goring and odds are bleeding to death of your fellow man? Doesn't this seem the least big hypocratic to you guys? I mean, so what the fellow man is a douche-bag who kills bulls in an 'inhumane' manner. He's still human, and thus, at least in my opinion, has alot more to live for then that bull ever did.

Anyway, I'm rooting for both of them to die. And some spectators.

[F L E S H]

The only thing I'm willing to admit is that we in the developped world eat meat way more often than we really should, yours truly included. But I would never say that eating meat is unnatural. We are omnivorous, just like a lot ape species. Animals in the wild instinctively know what they need to supplement their diet, and I'm positive that that instinct is still alive and well in humans.

Now, just because we don't need meat to survive doesn't mean we shouldn't be eating it at all. There are proteins and fatty acids that are extremely beneficial to your body that you get only from eating fish and chicken. I'd much rather get those nutrients the natural way rather than popping pills with synthetic versions. It's great that you feel better about yourself for being vegetarian, but that implies that you had a certain guilt beforehand. I feel no guilt or shame when I eat meat.

P.S.: Encatuse, you rock :D

[Dick Justice]

Ghostoker, if you haven't already, you'd enjoy reading Dominion.

edit: "Enjoy" may be the wrong word. But it would be a good read for you anyway.

[poorman3]

I feel no guilt or shame when I eat meat, and I never will! i just can`t eat rabbit food and survive! i`d ratrher eat a rabbit than starve! IMFOO.

[GHoSToKeR]

try eating 'rabbit' food, poorman3. I guarentee you'll survive. Actually, I dont care.

Encatuase, I know what you mean... Most people would root for the human over the animal, because most people think humans are superior to animals. Personally, I disagree. If a bull is put in to a situation where some dude is trying to kill it, then it's gonna fight back. If the matador dies, then it shouldn't have been there in the first place. The difference is that the bull is defending itself, and the matador is doing it for sport.

[sawleaf]

Bullfighting in Okinawa is much better. Two bulls, no horns, and a circle ring. It's like sumo wrestling with bulls. First bull to push the other one out wins. I'd much rather watch that. :)

[Torog]

hunting is a needed thing,
no not the dude mounting his wall with big ass horns and heads
but for food,and to keep that knowlegde of how to do it

is it abused
yes
but what aint.?

as far as putting a animal in a closed in area and stabbing it
thats right back to ROMAN Gladiator days thinking
it dont take nerve
takes stupidity
but MILLIONS pay to see it so it will go on and on
least they get a day to run down the street stomping dumasses in the running of the bulls,.
and yes id root for the bull sadly
peace
Howdy NWM,

That's a big 10-4 ! Say..I wonder..do they have a big barbque after they kill the bull ? Otherwise..it's a waste of a valuable animal.

Have a good one...:D

[GHoSToKeR]

**sigh**

[SmoKa]

That video was fucking sad... what kind of person are you who could do that to an innocent animal? If you are that person you deserve exacally what that animal got... to have your leg grabbed and smashed into the fucking cement untill your dead. That is utter bullshit... Its one thing to kill an animal for survival its another to kill it because you want to be bling... fucking celeberties... totally wrong.. if i saw it in person id lay the fucking smack down on that bitch hurting the racoons...

[sawleaf]

That video was fucking sad... what kind of person are you who could do that to an innocent animal? If you are that person you deserve exacally what that animal got... to have your leg grabbed and smashed into the fucking cement untill your dead. That is utter bullshit... Its one thing to kill an animal for survival its another to kill it because you want to be bling... fucking celeberties... totally wrong.. if i saw it in person id lay the fucking smack down on that bitch hurting the racoons...

Yeah it is really sad! And most of those animals weren't dead when they were being skinned!!!! Smacking them on the ground just stuns them. Those people are terrible for doing that! I mean the least you can do is kill the animal quicky so it doesn't suffer, but what those people are doing is beyond inhumane!!!! :mad:

[az666]

www.jlodown.com

Go on and tell me you're up at night over bullfights. It is barbaric. It's archaic and it's an ugly thing to do. There's so much worse shit out there it's just unimaginable. You gotta prioritize your distress! :p

That fur-skinning shit really did keep me up at night, by the way. Check out the videos and tell me that's not gonna give you some fucking nightmares.

dude!!!! i was just readin ghosts post when that vid loaded.....i watched about 10 seconds and turned it off.....that is the shit that would haunt me....

i can watch then vids of people gettin beheaded on ogrish.com but that shit is VERY unpleasant!! :( it truly sickens me....i have a very soft spot for animals....for some reason....

lol....even though if we were cave men this would be the type of thing we would be doin to keep ourselves warm! (or what i can tell from what i watched)....although this is not an excuse cause weve found other ways of keepin warm now........

anyway...i still think bull fighting is wrong.....entertainment shouldnt cost an innocent animal its life.

[Dick Justice]

I'm cool with hunting for food, by the way. Everything is alive, whether it's a cute little deer or nasty wheat grass. You have to eat something that's living in order to sustain your own life. I don't see anything wrong with eating meat as long as it's not wasteful.

[jacquelyne]

I dont know much about bull fighting but they do fight dogs here.Its fucking sick i hate watching dog fights.They train the dogs just to kill all for there own profit.Yep anycraic i would pay to see that too.Or to put them with the fighting dogs and let them get ripped apart like they deserve.

[Euphoric]

I'm cool with hunting for food, by the way. Everything is alive, whether it's a cute little deer or nasty wheat grass. You have to eat something that's living in order to sustain your own life. I don't see anything wrong with eating meat as long as it's not wasteful.

Plants dont have complex nervous systems and cannot feel pain. They (probably) cannot feel fear either.
My point is merely that there is a difference. .


Bullfighting is not about â??culture.â?� It is a cruel bloodsport in which the bulls donâ??t stand a chance. According to the Associated Press, a recent study found that 20 percent of bulls are fed laxatives and drugged before they step into the ring. Of 200 bulls, â??one in five had been given anti-inflammatory drugs, which mask injuries that could sap the animalâ??s strength.â?� The bullâ??s horns are shaved and petroleum jelly may be smeared in his eyes to cloud his vision. Before the matador even enters the ring, a picador stabs and cuts the muscles in his neck.




:( http://www.runningofthenudes.com/facts.html

[jacquelyne]

Hunting animals for food is also different than killing them for fun or entertainment
we must hunt its all part of the circle of life i myself couldnt kill an animal but have been hunting a few times for different animals like pigs or rabbits or whatever but they ate them.If its hunting or killing animals that you dont like then you should be a vegan.So eat nothing from an animal including a prawn or fish or never wear leather, wool etc then u can say what u like.If u are against it but wear leather shoes then u would be a hipocrite.

[GHoSToKeR]

I was just about to say "i dont eat leather" lol

[Looker]

Y'know they have a tomato fight in Spain every year?? YEAH... A TOMATO FIGHT!!

It appears they have this glut of too many tomatoes from the growing season so they take all the tomatoes and put em in big trucks and oxcarts n shit and bring em to the city and go apeshit throwing tomatoes at each other..I think alot of them get naked when they throw the tomatoes but Im not sure....

I THINK SPAIN IS ON OF THE STUPIDEST COUNTRIES IN EUROPE WITH THE BULL RUN IN PAMPLONA AND THAT STUPID ASS TOMATO FIGHT..I mEAN JUST SOUTH OF THEM IN AFRICA NOT THAT FAR AWAY THERE ARE MILLIONS OF STARVING PEOPLE

COULDN'T THOSE TOMATOES BE SENT TO THEM????

STUPID FUCKIN PEOPLE....

[Ammie]

Keep your blood-thirsty, murderous opinions to yourselves.


how do u really feel ??:p

[sawleaf]

Y'know they have a tomato fight in Spain every year?? YEAH... A TOMATO FIGHT!!

It appears they have this glut of too many tomatoes from the growing season so they take all the tomatoes and put em in big trucks and oxcarts n shit and bring em to the city and go apeshit throwing tomatoes at each other..I think alot of them get naked when they throw the tomatoes but Im not sure....

I THINK SPAIN IS ON OF THE STUPIDEST COUNTRIES IN EUROPE WITH THE BULL RUN IN PAMPLONA AND THAT STUPID ASS TOMATO FIGHT..I mEAN JUST SOUTH OF THEM IN AFRICA NOT THAT FAR AWAY THERE ARE MILLIONS OF STARVING PEOPLE

COULDN'T THOSE TOMATOES BE SENT TO THEM????

STUPID FUCKIN PEOPLE....

Forget tomatos, go to Ivrea, Piemonte, in Italy and have an orange war with chariots. Oranges don't splat, they thud!!! :p

[Looker]

YEAH I KNOW IVE BEEN UP THAT WAY IN MILANO/PIEMONTE...THEY GOT STRANGE CUSTOMS UP THERE TOO...


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