not your ordinary first grow

[headshake]

what's good everybody. i've recently started a grow with some bag seed. it's just some average 'corn...not sure about the strain etc. i'm doing this on no budget and basically just for fun.

i say again, i'm trying to spend the least money possible!

there is several reasons for this...

1. i don't have a bunch of money to blow on this, again this is just for fun.

2. let's just say someone i share a residence with someone who wouldn't like a visit from the field officer

3. i live in a small one bedroom apt.

4. i just want to do it with a minimalist approach. when the time and place are right so will my set-up be.

i would appreciate any help. i've read a bunch of tutorials and watched a lot of videos.

i started a few batches just by germinating them and putting them in plastic cups (around 12 oz. which i cut holes in for drainage) with some cannibalized, what i'm assuming was potting soil. i've lost a batch of five and 4 out of 5 on my second batch. the stems went limp just above the soil. the plant preceded to wilt. the same thing has happened to all of them.

i made a trip to wal-mart last night and picked up a lights of america 24" fluorescent "grow light". it operates at 17W, 2700k red spectrum putting out 1093 lumens. from what i've read the red or warm spectrum was better suited for flowering as opposed to vegetative growth.

grow light $9.96
potting soild $2.50
pots $4.80
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total $17.26


i've noticed that a lot of the videos tell you what not to do but don't show you how to troubleshoot the symptoms of problems that one might encounter during this little hobby of ours.

i'm germinating a new batch of seeds for use with the new pots and soil and such.

how far do i want the seeds to germinate? i mean i have a rough idea but i'm a novice at best in all of this. when they are ready to be planted should i just use a finger to push a hole in the soil put the seed in and cover? and just plop it in there root side down?

i'm also gonna be adding a fan here once things get started.

once again i'm doing this for fun. i understand that a proper set-up is required for desired/best results. i also understand that my "set-up", if you want to call it that is not and will never be capable of producing the best results. i'm just trying to see what i can do with less than $20.

i'll keep this updated to the best of my ability. i appreciate any and all help. i welcome all new knowledge. thanks in advance.

-shake

** i'll edit with some pics when i get back from work **

[Firemansam606]

IMO you'll need to invest in at least 3-5 more lights of similar power. Or purchase one of the 150w envirolites (£20-30). I just ordered one myself, that plus my 70w hps should give me a decent yeild from a couple of Lowryder 2s...well I certainly hope it will.

Oscar Mike

[headshake]

i have found some cheap MH and HPS lights online and a really cheap MH/HPS combo light. i just don't have the space for that right now. i will have to look into something similar to what you recommended. i don't really have a "grow room". i'm just kinda winging this. it's not that i don't take the cultivation of miss mary seriously, i just kinda decided to do this on the spur of the moment just for the hell of it. when i move in the next 6 months i'll have a dedicated proper area/setup. i appreciate the advice and will look into it.

my buddy is about to do a computer case grow with some lowryder hybrids. i'll probably help him out. that should be fun!

-shake

edit: i also just found an LED setup that will cover 15 sq ft. for $140 US. it says it uses 45 watts and puts out the equivalent of a 250 HPS.

[headshake]

ok. i've got the germinated seeds in the pots. 3 of them have broken the top of the soil. i've got some backup seeds germinating just incase. i guess you have to have 50 posts or whatnot to post pics so as soon as i have reached that number i guess i'll post some pics to get some feedback on etc. until then...

-shake

[lunarose]

Shake, Don't bother with the LEDs they just aren't there yet. You really don't have enough light to get them much pass breaking the soil. You can get some CLF's pretty cheap these days, Ralph's has them buy one get one free and I believe they are about $1 a piece they have both 6500K 23 watts and 2700K Walmart also has them for a little more. If you are only going to use a single spectrum the 6500K will do better then the 2700k. I'd say you could probably get a decent little micro grow for around $100-$200 not including cost of seeds but with only what you have got already going I don't think you'll be getting much in the way of results.

[headshake]

i appreciate it lunarose. i'll look into some of those CFL's. i've got a big box that my surround sound came in that i think i'm gonna setup. i'm gonna measure it and put up the info so maybe i can get some input as to how may lights i need. thanks again.

-shake

edit: the box is 27 1/4" x 20" x 17 1/2" (HxWxL). i can cover the inside with mylar or something else to help with the light. how much light/how many CFL's would one recommend?

[lunarose]

Shake, You may need to get a fan even though you are using CFLs my grow space is 24"L x20"w x63"h with a single shelf I am using 6 of 6500K and two 2700K CFLs and without the fan it will get as high as 100 in there even with CFLs.

[headshake]

the box has two holes (handles) but they are both about a quarter way down. i was gonna mount two fans there, but i don't know how much good that would do for the bottom. i'll have to expierment i guess. i was thinking of going with 4 CFL's. i'm gonna start doing some damage tomorrow so i'll get some pics up.

-shake

[headshake]

okay. i've completed (to what extent i can) the grow box i decided to make. the measurements are 27 1/4" x 20" x 17 1/2" (HxWxL).

i currently have the 24" "grow light" running across the top of the box where the hand holes are. i was thinking about putting fans in the hand holes. i don't know how exactly that would work. maybe i should run a duct to the bottom. i guess i'll have to play with it. any ideas?

i've used some of the styrofoam that came with my surround sound to get the pots close to the light. i can hold my hand on top of the plants with no problem. should i get the plants a little closer?

i don't have a thermometer/hydrometer at the moment. that and the fans will be the next step. along with some new lights. i was thinking of going with 4 CFL's maybe? sound like enough?

i'll also be adding a couple of latches and seals of some kind to keep the light in. i was also gonna add another small fan inside to help simulate wind and strengthen the stalks.

that's about all for now. i'm sure there's more i'm forgetting.

i welcome all suggestions. should i consider LST?

well time to forget some more! i have some pics but am not quite sure how to put them up. also do i or do i not have to have 50 posts first? i read that in one of the forums. thanks agian.

-shake

[headshake]

ok. so this morning i got as far as i could with what materials i had on hand. i'm gonna try to get some pics up on here for some feedback/advice. here goes nothing.

pic 1 - miracle grow. any good? it's 24-8-16. i just picked it up from walmart.

pic 2 - only light i have so far. The correct model # is 7020GL and the color temperature of this lamp is 7800K .Lumen output is 680 lumens. (info given to me by the company's rep. although it doesn't match what was on the package. or other websites. so i don't know quite about this.)

like i said i'm seeking some advice about using CFL's. how many?

pic 3 - potting soil. .10-.08-.06.

pic 4- little 4" pots. x5

pic 5 - box in original state

more pics to follow.

-shake

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pic 1 - side. the other side has the exact handle in the exact place opposite side.

pic 2 - front after being altered.

pic 3 - front with "door" swung open.

pic 4 - foiled out!!! i got my hands on a box of foil sheets from a local restaurant and used that because it was free. i hand taped the back of all those sheets.

pic 5 - the handle, inside out. and the corners that i put strips in to try to get rid of right angles.

more pics coming...

-shake

[headshake]

pic 1 - light across the top. i plan on getting those CFL's so i just have this stuck in there now.

pic 2 - 5 (hopefully) little girls. this is just some bag popcorn.

pic 3 - one of the little ones. all are around this size.

pic 4 - a top view with flash.

pic 5 - in the box.

last set of pics up next.

-shake

[headshake]

pic 1 - i used the styrofoam that the surround sound came in to make shelving.

pic 2 - another look inside box.

pic 3 - not to inconspicuous yet. it's still a work in progress.

pic 4 - another angle. she's still got some work to go.

like i said i'm looking for some lighting help. and help with the fans would be cool too. i still need to add the therm/hyd. as well. and a timer. not too bad with about $17.00 invested so far.

let me know what you think.

-shake

[lunarose]

Shake, You'll definitely will need to list. Be careful with the miracle grow use only 1/4-1/2 strength only and you should not even need any nutes at least until after you transplant them. The lights should be fine for now. You could probably get away with an inexpensive table top fan and direct it towards the handle openning it just all depends on how warm it gets. Also becareful with those pots its easy to overwater with those bottom pans. Oh and you want a piece of plastic or something under the box so you don't screw up the carpet.

[keeko]

EEEEKKKK.......headshake, this box is a fire hazard.

also, any enclosed growspace needs fresh air. cool fresh air in, hot stale air out.
Please find something other than a box to grow in......i would hate see on the news how a small apartment fire led to a 'grow op' as the news would probably call it. It also looks horrible for the rest of the growers that are growing the safe way.

[headshake]

luna, good lookin out. how often should i water? just keep the soil damp? i put a trashbag on the bottom of the box. but i will definitely will put something down.

keeko, this was more just a spur of the moment, see what i can do with what i have on hand/spend $20 at walmart, whim. a mock up if you will. i'm at the apt. 24/7. i truly appreciate the concern. i plan on putting together something better. i'm about to be going out of town for about a month so the plants will be relocating to a good home.

-shake

[justanotherbozo]

hi headshake, thought i'd stop by and see if i could offer anything
useful.

here's a link i think you should read
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/145025-zebs-pure-cfl-grow-log.html

and stop by my garden for tips on CFL's, not that i'm an authority or anything,
just that i use CFL's and have done so exclusively for almost a year now so,
i'm not a noob either.

anyway, you're in the right place if you want to learn to grow weed, now
it's up to you to decide how badly you want to learn to be self-sufficient.

personally, i haven't had to buy weed in almost a year, and what i'm growing
is far better than what i used to buy, thanks in large part to the help i've gotten
from experienced growers here (and i'm still just growing bagbeans)

[headshake]

thanks bozo. ultimately being 100% self-sufficient would be the goal. when i get back from out of town i plan on working on a proper setup. (i've got some ideas and will be working on the design while gone.) i'll definately check out the log. and i've checked out your grow log as well. good info there. i just wanted a little real world experience under my belt before investing as well. a lot has to do with me moving when my current lease is up. 4 more months on that. so in the mean time i'll be reading my ass off (probably asking a lot of questions) and working on my applicable skills on this end.

i appreciate all the help, advice and answers from the forums. it's good to exchange ideas with like minded people. and knowledge is always golden.

thanks again!

-shake

[justanotherbozo]

thanks bozo. ultimately being 100% self-sufficient would be the goal. when i get back from out of town i plan on working on a proper setup. (i've got some ideas and will be working on the design while gone.) i'll definately check out the log. and i've checked out your grow log as well. good info there. i just wanted a little real world experience under my belt before investing as well. a lot has to do with me moving when my current lease is up. 4 more months on that. so in the mean time i'll be reading my ass off (probably asking a lot of questions) and working on my applicable skills on this end.

i appreciate all the help, advice and answers from the forums. it's good to exchange ideas with like minded people. and knowledge is always golden.

thanks again!

-shake

it's my pleasure man, a lot of folks took time to help me not that long ago, lol

if you find the time to go through my imaginary garden you will follow my
struggle to learn how to, reliably, grow the weed i could no longer afford.

watch as i attempt to apply barely understood principles of hydroponics,
all on a non-existent budget.

lol, anyway, i haven't run out of head candy for some time now

(thank you all that came here before me)

[headshake]

bozo, what branch of the service were you in? if you don't mind me asking. i was in the marine corps for five years. were you disabled during a time of war? sorry for the questions. i just respect those that came before me.

-shake

i think i just hijacked my own thread...lol!

[justanotherbozo]

bozo, what branch of the service were you in? if you don't mind me asking. i was in the marine corps for five years. were you disabled during a time of war? sorry for the questions. i just respect those that came before me.

-shake

i think i just hijacked my own thread...lol!

UASF, and no, i went in in '73 so i missed Viet Nam thank God.

disability is non-service connected

Semper Fi man, my uncle served on Iwo Jima in the corp

[headshake]

UASF, and no, i went in in '73 so i missed Viet Nam thank God.

no doubt! UASF? i'm not sure what the abbreviation stands for? i see the Irish flag so it could be something i'm not familiar with or a typo. no disrespect!


Semper Fi man, my uncle served on Iwo Jima in the corp

Semper Fi! luckily i missed combat too. got called up on 72 hour notice a couple of times and i was in okinawa japan Sept 11th happened and most of my unit got called to guam to be closer incase sh*t popped off. i stayed back in oki though and lucikly our rotation landed us back home before it hit the fan.

-shake

[justanotherbozo]

no doubt! UASF? i'm not sure what the abbreviation stands for? i see the Irish flag so it could be something i'm not familiar with or a typo. no disrespect!

you're gonna kick yourself, lol, United States Air Force (lol, shit, i'm kicking
myself, i just realized you didn't get it because of my typo, it's USAF)



Semper Fi! luckily i missed combat too. got called up on 72 hour notice a couple of times and i was in okinawa japan Sept 11th happened and most of my unit got called to guam to be closer incase sh*t popped off. i stayed back in oki though and lucikly our rotation landed us back home before it hit the fan.

-shake

i'm glad you didn't see combat, my local hydro shop is run by 2 brothers,
the younger of which lost both his right arm and his right leg in Iraq to
an IED

thank God and John McCain we're winning over there now and we can
start bringing our troops home!

[headshake]

you're gonna kick yourself, lol, United States Air Force (lol, shit, i'm kicking
myself, i just realized you didn't get it because of my typo, it's USAF)




i'm glad you didn't see combat, my local hydro shop is run by 2 brothers,
the younger of which lost both his right arm and his right leg in Iraq to
an IED

thank God and John McCain we're winning over there now and we can
start bringing our troops home!

i'm glad i didn't see combat as well. but i would have went willingly. you know how it goes better than most around here. lmao @ the typo. i was running through all kinds of acronyms.

sorry to hear about the younger brother. i lost several friends over there.

on a higher note. i've got some new pics. i'm yet to buy some CFL's. i probably will this weekend. along with some fans. i've got ~4 sq ft. you think 6 lights would be enough? and should i go with all 6500k or should i mix it up? 4/2 or something?

i forgot i had some more seeds germinating so i've added 3 more to the cab for a total of 8. the first set of 5 has started getting the second set of serrated leaves!

pic 1 - shows some yellowing at the tips of the first set of serrated leaves. any ideas? it is close to the light, but the light doesn't get hot. i can keep my hand on the bulb. i did water 2 days ago and mist a little diluted miracle grow on them.

pic 2 - the garden.

pic 3 - one of the plants. looks like an indica, but it's still early right?

-shake

[justanotherbozo]

i'm glad i didn't see combat as well. but i would have went willingly. you know how it goes better than most around here. lmao @ the typo. i was running through all kinds of acronyms.

sorry to hear about the younger brother. i lost several friends over there.

on a higher note. i've got some new pics. i'm yet to buy some CFL's. i probably will this weekend. along with some fans. i've got ~4 sq ft. you think 6 lights would be enough? and should i go with all 6500k or should i mix it up? 4/2 or something?

i forgot i had some more seeds germinating so i've added 3 more to the cab for a total of 8. the first set of 5 has started getting the second set of serrated leaves!

pic 1 - shows some yellowing at the tips of the first set of serrated leaves. any ideas? it is close to the light, but the light doesn't get hot. i can keep my hand on the bulb. i did water 2 days ago and mist a little diluted miracle grow on them.

pic 2 - the garden.

pic 3 - one of the plants. looks like an indica, but it's still early right?

-shake


stop feeding it man, those spots you speak of are probably nute burn.

your plants are very young, too young for nutes, also, you have them too
deep in those pots. you want about an inch between the dirt and the rim.
otherwise, air collects and stagnates at the base of the plants.

personally, i use plastic cups for pots and i use a soldering iron to make
the holes, heres a couple pics to illustrate my meaning. and i use these
cups for dirt also, not just hydro.

[headshake]

stop feeding it man, those spots you speak of are probably nute burn.

your plants are very young, too young for nutes, also, you have them too
deep in those pots. you want about an inch between the dirt and the rim.
otherwise, air collects and stagnates at the base of the plants.

personally, i use plastic cups for pots and i use a soldering iron to make
the holes, heres a couple pics to illustrate my meaning. and i use these
cups for dirt also, not just hydro.

thanks bozo! so should i add more soil? that's funny about the soldering iron. i used mine to put holes in some cups too. on that hydro setup, i know you made it. it looks pretty basic (not an insult). is it ebb and flow? i want to build a little hydro setup myself. do you leave the nutes in the basin always or flood and then drain? got any schematics?

does it not matter about the lights? the more the better? mix the spectrum?

i've watched a ton of videos and am gaining tons from the forums. i'm just a hands on guy, ya know? thanks again.

-shake

[justanotherbozo]

thanks bozo! so should i add more soil? that's funny about the soldering iron. i used mine to put holes in some cups too. on that hydro setup, i know you made it. it looks pretty basic (not an insult). is it ebb and flow? i want to build a little hydro setup myself. do you leave the nutes in the basin always or flood and then drain? got any schematics?

does it not matter about the lights? the more the better? mix the spectrum?

i've watched a ton of videos and am gaining tons from the forums. i'm just a hands on guy, ya know? thanks again.

-shake

lol, look at my sig for links to my garden and my cloner for answers to
most of your questions.

and you're right, those pics were early in my evolution, proto type #2
to be exact so still pretty crude, everything i have is make-shift DIY
due to a very tight budget.

check it out and tell me what you think, we talk about lights too

[headshake]

i'll check it out bozo. i have been through it but i guess my brain is mush at the moment. i'll give it a good thorough read through. like i said, i like the DIY approach. i don't believe in paying for over-priced crap. it's much more rewarding to DIY. any a**hole can buy a setup and call himself an expert. but it's ingenuity that pays off!

-shake

[headshake]

plus i added soil to the tops of the 5 regular pots. i'll do the same once the others sprout and have grown enough. that's about all so far. maybe i'll make an excursion to a home improvement store today. if not, this weekend.

the cab is getting pretty full. and i still have some seeds germinating. damn. i need some lights. asap! yikes.


pic 1 - all of the little ones.

pic 2- a top view, and you can see the second set of serrated leaves.


-shake

edit: was trying to add a pic. didn't know you couldn't. please see below.

[headshake]

you can see the plants a little better without the flash.

pic 1 - -flash

-shake

edit: added a pic. damn i need some green! it's messin with my brain.

[headshake]

update: one of the four new germinated seeds that have been planted, the second of the first three. man i gotta get those lights!

-shake

[headshake]

what's up everybody? i've been busy for the past week or so and haven't had time to post. i've added a digital thermometer/hydrometer, two new light fixtures, new bulbs (3 6500K daylight and 1 2700K soft white), 2 120MM fans, and one 80MM fan. the 2 120MM fans are pc case fans and are rated at 72CFM. i'm not sure about the 80MM fan, it is for your car.

i currently have them arranged with the two 120MM fans on the sides (where the handles are) and the 80MM on top (blow-hole style). i have the two 120MM fans blowing out and the top one blowing in. i've tried them in the reverse as well.

i can't seem to keep the box cool. it stays in the high 80's. some of the plants look saggy, some don't. maybe it's just me. it's obviously my first grow. i've also tried adding a cup of ice to lower the temp. could it be the styrofoam in the bottom that the plants are sitting on? i'll post some pics after while. just trying to get some advice cooling this damn thing. any help would be greatly appreciated.

-shake

[headshake]

okay guys, here are some pics.

pic 1 - digital therm/hydrom.

pic 2 - timer

pic 3 - first fans used, still used one for a blow-hole

pic 4 - 12V AC to DC converter for fans

pic 5 - side fans, 120MM pc fans

-shake

[headshake]

pic 1 - bulbs x3. 6500K.

pic 2 - bulb x1. 2700K.

pic 3 - original side fans w/o blow-hole.

pic 4 - box as of right now.

pic 5 - top of box.

a few more to come.


-shake

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pic 1 - inside box as of right now.

pic 2 - same.

pic 3 - with occupants.

pic 4 - occupants.

pic 5 - my forrest!


a few more to come.


-shake

[headshake]

pic 1 - welcome to the jungle baby!

pic 2 - another shot, see the droopy plants? too much heat?

pic 3 - it's a funny angle! any snatch fans?

pic 4 - and yet another one.

pic 5 - one more group pic.

ok, i lied. i've got a few more pics to follow. sorry, i've been busy and have been wanted to get this posted and possibly some help. thanks.

-shake

[headshake]

maybe these will help with a diagnosis. thanks again for all the help!

all pics will be individual plant pics.

-shake

sorry about some blurriness. my camera sucks.

[daihashi]

EEEEKKKK.......headshake, this box is a fire hazard.

also, any enclosed growspace needs fresh air. cool fresh air in, hot stale air out.
Please find something other than a box to grow in......i would hate see on the news how a small apartment fire led to a 'grow op' as the news would probably call it. It also looks horrible for the rest of the growers that are growing the safe way.

While I'll agree it is not good 'practice' to grow in a cardboard box.. it is hardly a fire hazard when involving flourescents in actual use. I had 300 actual watts in CFL's setup in an array in a 2'x2'x3.5' box.

As long as you have adequate cooing I don't see a problem. While it's true that the ballast in a CFL bulb does get warm.. typically it does not get hot enough to start a fire and often times the the two filaments will burn out before the ballast get's hot enough to cause a fire. When this happens the ballast stops operating; ending heat production for that 1 bulb.

What is more likely to happen and something that should be carefully monitored is CFL glass breakage. Mercury is contained with CFL' and mercury will evaporate into the air. It is not good for either the plants nor is it good for you.

In regards to CFL's, cardboard boxes and fires... well you're just as likely to start a fire in one of these things below than you would in a cardboard box:

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Now that's not to say that I don't agree that it would be better for you to grow in a non flamable environment for your plants it is actually the contrary, I do believe and recommend this; but it is to say it's not nearly as hazardous as people claim it is.

[SwishaSweetz4Me]

Just looking over your grow. Nice! I say when i first started my plants looked droppy Just like that. They where in 90+ degree hot stale air. And they looked just like yours. I say open that box as much as you can to keep circulation going. I have adequately put fans in my grow room seems to be helping alot. I would wait till the soil is bonedry to water. Also i laughed when i seen your CAR Fan. Because i bought the same one from Wal-greens for 10$ . Hope u wired it to a 12vDC charger and not a 120 Regular wall plug. Anyways good luck and keep it up. I have been growing CFL . You can check out my log. Its on my Signature
-Swisha

k i just seen your 12v dc chargers =D
gL

[daihashi]

what's up everybody? i've been busy for the past week or so and haven't had time to post. i've added a digital thermometer/hydrometer, two new light fixtures, new bulbs (3 6500K daylight and 1 2700K soft white), 2 120MM fans, and one 80MM fan. the 2 120MM fans are pc case fans and are rated at 72CFM. i'm not sure about the 80MM fan, it is for your car.

To determine how much cooling you need.. take the cubic footage of your area and divide by 5 minutes.

so if you're growing in a 3x3x3 area that would be 27cu.ft.. to evacuate that in 5 minutes you would need a fan the blew about 5.5CFM. However I've never been a fan of the 5 minute rule. I like to use 1 minute for reference or faster if I can help it.

So in this case you would need 27CFM of unrestricted air flow. Computer fans do not have high velocity such as inline fans or squirrel cage fans, therefore I would recommend more powerful fans which it appears you have covered.

Unless you're running CO2, you cannot have too much exhaust.



i currently have them arranged with the two 120MM fans on the sides (where the handles are) and the 80MM on top (blow-hole style). i have the two 120MM fans blowing out and the top one blowing in. i've tried them in the reverse as well.

You want them all set to exhaust. You want to create several passive intakes very low in the box. Your passive intakes must be, at minimum, equal in size and number to the number of exhausts/exhaust holes you have. Furthermore you want to try, TRY, to have all your exhausts setup to the top of the grow area in a blow hole fashion.

This will draw cool air in from the bottom of your grow box.. allow it to travel upward with the rising hot air and back out the box.

The reason you want passive intake is that because unless the intake and exhaust are running equal amount of pressure (flowing the same rate of CFM) then all you're doing by putting an active system in is creating a restriction and turbulent air flow.. basically hot air that just swirls around, inside your grow environment.

So in summary set all your fans to exhaust, put them at the top of your grow box, create as many passive intakes low in the box as you have exhausts...

I have more advice I can give, but give that a go first.

[daihashi]

In addition it is worth mentioning that your realistic goal should be about 5 degrees above ambient.

Meaning that if it is 78 degree's in your house.. you should be trying to get it down to, at minimum, 83 degrees. If you're able to drop it any lower then that is just icing on the cake.

It is impossible to run cooler than the ambient temperature outside your grow room. Meaning that if it's 78 degree's outside the box.. unless you get some other means of refridgeration type cooling going, the absolute best you can hope for is 78 degrees.

So when you look at your temperatures ask yourself 'am I within 5 degrees ambient or close'.

[SwishaSweetz4Me]

Nice Info. Also benefited me.

[headshake]

To determine how much cooling you need.. take the cubic footage of your area and divide by 5 minutes.

so if you're growing in a 3x3x3 area that would be 27cu.ft.. to evacuate that in 5 minutes you would need a fan the blew about 5.5CFM. However I've never been a fan of the 5 minute rule. I like to use 1 minute for reference or faster if I can help it.

So in this case you would need 27CFM of unrestricted air flow. Computer fans do not have high velocity such as inline fans or squirrel cage fans, therefore I would recommend more powerful fans which it appears you have covered.

Unless you're running CO2, you cannot have too much exhaust.




You want them all set to exhaust. You want to create several passive intakes very low in the box. Your passive intakes must be, at minimum, equal in size and number to the number of exhausts/exhaust holes you have. Furthermore you want to try, TRY, to have all your exhausts setup to the top of the grow area in a blow hole fashion.

This will draw cool air in from the bottom of your grow box.. allow it to travel upward with the rising hot air and back out the box.

The reason you want passive intake is that because unless the intake and exhaust are running equal amount of pressure (flowing the same rate of CFM) then all you're doing by putting an active system in is creating a restriction and turbulent air flow.. basically hot air that just swirls around, inside your grow environment.

So in summary set all your fans to exhaust, put them at the top of your grow box, create as many passive intakes low in the box as you have exhausts...

I have more advice I can give, but give that a go first.

thanks a lot daihashi! i was thinking of flipping the box upside down and using the handles (where the side fans are) as intakes. maybe i'll do that and add all the fans to the top. does the arrangement matter? i'm gonna start messing with it now. i'm not gonna make any more cuts until i hear back. thanks again.

-shake

[Baka123]

Nice box grow man, I have thought about using a similar setup to veg in, but have had the concerns of fire on my mind. I have been pricing and to build a similar sizes box out of 1 bys and 1/4 inch ply should only run $10-$15. Seems like a much safe alternative. Good luck I'll be keeping up on this grow. :)

[headshake]

i just went to check it out. i set all the fans to exhaust. would they be fine where they are at all set to exhaust with the passive intakes at the bottom? or should i put them all on the very top and use those holes for intakes? i can do either. just not trying to mangle the box too much.

also, one plant has little brown marks on a few of the leaves. i tried to get a pic but it was hard to tell what exactly was going on. are they too close to the lights? what would be optimum distance? the 5 second hand rule?

-shake

[Baka123]

I'm unsure about the airflow, but as far as the little brown spots, I had the tips on the lower set of leaves turn brown on 2 of my plants. From what I gathered it was a sign of root rot. Caused by too much water and not enough drainage. Let the dirt get bone dry before watering. Since I started doing that I have had no further problems. The brown has not progressed any further.

[headshake]

I'm unsure about the airflow, but as far as the little brown spots, I had the tips on the lower set of leaves turn brown on 2 of my plants. From what I gathered it was a sign of root rot. Caused by too much water and not enough drainage. Let the dirt get bone dry before watering. Since I started doing that I have had no further problems. The brown has not progressed any further.


thanks baka! i'll try that. they seem to dry out about every 2-3 days. i did use miracle grow at 1/4 the recommended amount.

-shake

[daihashi]

thanks a lot daihashi! i was thinking of flipping the box upside down and using the handles (where the side fans are) as intakes. maybe i'll do that and add all the fans to the top. does the arrangement matter? i'm gonna start messing with it now. i'm not gonna make any more cuts until i hear back. thanks again.

-shake

Well.. It's best to have all the fans located in one area. For example if you want to use a blowhole, then put all the fans in that area to act as a blow hole.

If you want it to be in the upper right, then put all fans there.

However if you currently have fans acting as a blow hole and one fan in the upper left hand/right hand side of the box then that's fine also. It's not optimal but it will work almost as well as if you had them all clustered.

I can understand you not wanting to mangle your box. The worst that can happen is that you might find that you do want to cluster them together.
Change them all to exhaust, make your passive intakes (same amount and total size as all your exhausts combined.), and let us know what happens.

I suspect you'll see a 2-3 degree drop minimum.

[daihashi]

i just went to check it out. i set all the fans to exhaust. would they be fine where they are at all set to exhaust with the passive intakes at the bottom? or should i put them all on the very top and use those holes for intakes? i can do either. just not trying to mangle the box too much.

also, one plant has little brown marks on a few of the leaves. i tried to get a pic but it was hard to tell what exactly was going on. are they too close to the lights? what would be optimum distance? the 5 second hand rule?

-shake

The brown marks could be from your nutrient solution splashing on the leaves, then the light hits it and cooks/burns the leaf that had solution splashed on it.

General rule of thumb when working with CFL's is to keep it about 2-3" from the canopy and no closer than 1-2" away.

[headshake]

good looking daihashi! what about the fan situation. would they be fine exhausting at their current location and just adding the passive intake low on the box? or should i put all the fans on the top? i'll do whatever is best. and i've left the door cracked where to where i can feel the best exhaust from the fans. it keps the temp at about 83.9 (ambient ~81. and the humidity is about 39%. i appreciate the quick responses and plan on making the changes accordingly, asap!

-shake

[headshake]

i didn't see the post above the second one. sorry!

-shake

[daihashi]

good looking daihashi! what about the fan situation. would they be fine exhausting at their current location and just adding the passive intake low on the box? or should i put all the fans on the top? i'll do whatever is best. and i've left the door cracked where to where i can feel the best exhaust from the fans. it keps the temp at about 83.9 (ambient ~81. and the humidity is about 39%. i appreciate the quick responses and plan on making the changes accordingly, asap!

-shake

well to be fair I'm not sure you're going to get any lower than 83.9 with your current cooling.

To answer your question. Yes it's fine to leave your fans where they are. it should work ok, but moving them up top all to a central location would probably be best.

The passive intakes are what's most important at the moment (and changing all your fans to exhaust). If your ambient (your room/house temperature) is 81, and your cardboard grow room says 83.9 then I'm not sure you're really going to drop much lower.

ie: I keep my house at 75 degrees in order to keep my grow room running at 78 degrees. And I have a lot of ventilation, 2 inline 6" 424 CFM inline fans.. 1 fan dedicated to a cool tube which houses a 600 watt hps and another 6" fan just for the room itself, for a 4'x4'x7' room.

Cooling will generally be equal to the cost you spent on lighting or very close. Photosynthesis is optimum at around 78 degrees (about 72-78) for every degree over 78 degrees photosynthesis drops dramatically until it comes to crawl/stop at around 85-86 degrees. 78 is optimal, but if you can't hit 78 then as long as you're below 85 degrees then you're that will have to do.

[headshake]

okay, about to do surgery to frankenstein. i'll be back with the details. thanks again!

-shake

[headshake]

ok. i put all of the fans in the top blow-hole style, after flipping the box upside down and using the previous fan holes as intakes and covered what was the top hole and cut the new intake in the back of the box. if it sounds confusing i will post pics.

i've seen it get back up to 88 i think. right now ambient is ~79/80 and the box is running at 83.9. i've also set up a floor fan blowing in one of the intakes at the bottom.

i think part of the problem is the styrofoam that i'm using as a shelf. i did this to keep the plants close enough to the lights. it's blocking airflow i know, but it does have holes in it. i'm trying to find a better shelf that won't block as much airflow or lower the lights. i think i got it down to 82 and some change last night without anything in the box. i know it's not but about 5 degrees above ambient, but i'd still like to get it to cool off more if possible.

pic 1 - the top part of the shelf. the long hole face towards the back of the box.

pic 2 - inside of box, you can see the styrofoam shelf and intake on the right side. there is a 6500K bulb hiding behind that 2700K bulb.

pic 3 - top of the box, exhaust.

pic 4 - top view of shelf as looking into box.

pic 5 - what the shelf looks like inside the box a little closer to eye level.

should i make some reflectors for the lights? just trying to make it as optimum as can be with what i'm working with, ya know? thanks for the advice. keep it coming.


-shake

edit: to upload pics. doh! and the pics got scrambled. dammit!

[headshake]

i was running my ac to help with the heat issue. luckily a cold front came in. the current temp outside is 68. the indoor temp is 79.5. i have the grow box by an open window. things are going pretty good, once i figure out why a few plants are still saggy. i guess it was the heat with over-watering.

i've read 200ml is good per plant and that i want the soil just damp, not wet. is this really enough water? the plants have 3-fingered leaves. is it okay to go with a half/three-quarter dose of miracle grow? they are pretty parched. i misted them this morning. i will water tonight.

-shake

[daihashi]

i was running my ac to help with the heat issue. luckily a cold front came in. the current temp outside is 68. the indoor temp is 79.5. i have the grow box by an open window. things are going pretty good, once i figure out why a few plants are still saggy. i guess it was the heat with over-watering.

i've read 200ml is good per plant and that i want the soil just damp, not wet. is this really enough water? the plants have 3-fingered leaves. is it okay to go with a half/three-quarter dose of miracle grow? they are pretty parched. i misted them this morning. i will water tonight.

-shake

for regular watering there is no SET number for how much you should water. This is one of the hardest things for new growers to comprehend and was a problem for me as well.

Here's what you want to do:

1. Water your plant until you get some runoff coming out the bottom. You don't want just a few drops but at the same time you don't want it to be a 30 minute stream of water coming out. You want a decent trickle that lasts for about 2-5 minutes. After it's set for 2-5 minutes let it sit for another 5-10 minutes. This ensures that all the water makes it's way down and you get no dry pockets.

2. pick up the pot around the rim of the pot and memorize with your hands how heavy it felt.

3. Pick up your plants daily to check how much they weigh. Once they weigh approximately half of what they weighed when you watered them you will want to water them again.

4. Repeat step 1

This is how you water a plant.

[headshake]

on thursday night i watered and added 1/4 strength miracle grow. 4 out of the 6 plants have taken off in growth. the two that haven't really done much do look a little better but still are droopy. the plant in the clay pot was planted a week to 10 days after the 5 in the plastic pots. i know the clay pot is big but it was the last one that i had on hand.

i was thinking of stepping up the dose of miracle grow. should i just go about half or 3/4 strength or can i go to full? all of the plants have 3 fingered leaves. and as far as feeding with nutes, i've read many different thoughts on when to feed. i've heard each time, every other time, the third thursday on a full moon on a leap year.....ok so i made the last one up but you get my point!

and what about humidity? i've read that you don't want more than 50% and then i've read that you want to keep it at 80-90% and everything in between. my humidity pretty much hovers around 40%. any suggestions?

as for the temp, well it's running pretty nice at around 78 give or take a degree or two. it get's down to about 68 at night.

here are some pics for all of you visual type, and aren't we all when it comes to this subject matter?! sorry that they aren't that great, my camera sucks. i'm in the market for a new one. thanks for the help again everyone.

i'm off to research LST.

pic 1 - one of the droopy twins.

pic 2 - twin two.

pic 3 - seems to be doing okay.

pic 4 - also seems to be doing fine.

pic 5 - and the last of the original bunch.

-shake

[headshake]

pic 1 - this is the newest planted of the 6.

-shake

[headshake]

for anyone interested or that may be follwing along. wednesday i watered the plants and hit them with 3/4 strength mg and diluted 3% h2o2 and finished it off with a little extra nitrogen.

i will be looking into getting some flat white paint for the inside of the box. also i found some super thrive at lowes. i was thinking of picking some of that up. i also wanted to possibly pick up something to replace the mg. something that i can pick up locally that is inexpensive. any suggestions?

i'll post some pics sometime this evening, my camera is not here at the moment. they are looking pretty good. them seem to like the dry then water cycle and the nutes seem to be working as well. still looking to improve my methods.

-shake

[headshake]

preferrebly something organic for the nutes!

-shake

[daihashi]

why are you using h2o2? You don't need to use that unless you suspect your plant has some root issues going on. Like root rot or fungus or something.

[headshake]

i read that is beneficial to aerobic bacteria and kills anaerobic bacteria as well as introduced radical oxygen atoms which oxydize elements, making them more available for the roots to assimilate. just what i read. i figured what the hell.

i will have my camera back today and post pics tonight. they are looking pretty good. the tallest one is about 7" or so.

as far as LST goes, when is a good time to start? should i wait until the plants are mature first?

-shake

[daihashi]

i read that is beneficial to aerobic bacteria and kills anaerobic bacteria as well as introduced radical oxygen atoms which oxydize elements, making them more available for the roots to assimilate. just what i read. i figured what the hell.

i will have my camera back today and post pics tonight. they are looking pretty good. the tallest one is about 7" or so.

as far as LST goes, when is a good time to start? should i wait until the plants are mature first?

-shake

Generally I do it sometime around/into week 3 if I have 4 nodes or more.

[5016169]

This is a great thread and even cheaper than the Rubbermaid Tub Growbox (http://boards.cannabis.com/growroom-setup/80747-how-rubbermaid-tub-growbox.html)

[headshake]

Generally I do it sometime around/into week 3 if I have 4 nodes or more.

i will get pics up today/tonight. i know i keep saying that but it's been hectic around here lately.

the plants are between 3" and 7 inches tall. they are very bushy. i'm not sure if the nodes are alternating yet, but it should be close.

should i not LST until i transplant to new pots? or is it okay/possible to transplant while LST'd?


This is a great thread and even cheaper than the Rubbermaid Tub Growbox

if you can locate a box you can probably get away with spending like $20 to $50 depending on what you have on hand and what you have around you as far as stores go.

-box = free (well it came with the surround sound!)
-light fixtures/wiring = $14 (you can probably do this cheaper, but the -premade setup was best for me)
-pc fans = $16 (you can find these cheaper, i didn't want to wait)
-flat white spray paint = $2 (i used some free foil, shiny side out (this reflects the most light obviously) and haven't had any trouble with hot spots, although i am gonna get some flat white seeing as it's a little for reflective than the foil
-bulbs = $7 (you may want to use more, just use the fixtures and get the y-splitters for 2 bulbs per socket, i'm probably gonna try to see the difference)
-miracle grow = $4 ( i didn't know better because i didn't read before hand. i haven't had any problems with the mg but some say they have. i am gonna be switching to organic, which you can find pretty cheap)
-thermometer/hydrometer = $7

a lot of people didn't and still don't like it because it's in cardboard, but it works really well considering what it is. frankenstein basically. i'll keep upgrading it as needed for best results.

-shake

[Joyrider]

Damn Shake your at about the same place as me on my grow. The plants are looking good. Keep up the great posts and thanks for the feedback on my log.

Why do you worry about the nodes alternating?

[headshake]

thanks joyrider. i appreciate the feedback. i'm trying to get this moving along. i'm looking into lst but think i need to transplant first. i am still in the learning phase of that. i swear i'm gonna get some pictures if i remember to get my damn camera!

i think when the nodes start to alternate that is considered a mature plant.

[headshake]

what's good everyone? i finally got my camera back and have photos as promised. i watered the plants on the 17th.

the color seems to be okay but the plants themselves seem dry. i can also see growth towards the stem at the nodes.

i was bending them a little trying to get an idea about LST. they bent over fine. i didn't actually tie them down. is it hard to transplant when LSTing? or do you not start until you are in the final size pot? the reason i ask is because if i bend the plants over they pretty much are at the edge of the pot and there isn't much space to circle them around.

them seem to be doing prety well. i think i might put them into flower pretty soon. being a first-timer it's hard to make all these decisions especially when it comes to making decisions that you have no clue about the outcome of. this has been a pretty good learning experience. i can't wait to get a proper setup and learn the ways for the force, like the jedi that came before me.

feedback, comments and criticism are welcome!

-shake

edit: pic 1-5 of little (hopefully) girls 1-5.

[headshake]

i'm trying to make up for lost time so here ya go.

-shake

[headshake]

let's try this on mo gin!

pic 1 - prospective girl number 6

pic 2-5 - garden shots and the toilet paper in the last one is for reference.

-shake

[bigsmoke07]

lookin good brotha keep up the good work man. and hell yea you and yur bro go for the bigger grow room lol i did. peace love and get high

[Joyrider]

Shake! They are lookin' real nice! Are you using any form of fertilizer other than miracle gro?
How big are you thinking of getting them before switching to 12/12?

[headshake]

lookin good brotha keep up the good work man. and hell yea you and yur bro go for the bigger grow room lol i did. peace love and get high

thanks bigsmoke. you inspired me! we are just gonna run a 600w digital ballast HPS right now. but it should be nice. a couple of DWC or or e & f. a couple of different reservoirs (for different strains). either SOG or perpetual SOG. still formulating the master plan. about a month or so.


Shake! They are lookin' real nice! Are you using any form of fertilizer other than miracle gro?
How big are you thinking of getting them before switching to 12/12?

joyrider, only miracle grow right now. i think i need to re-pot (probably tomorrow) and will get some flower nutes and some super thrive maybe. i still can't decide if i want to LST them. don't i need to start at least 10 days before flower? if i don't LST then i'll probably put them in flower tomorrow of the next day. i'll be going out of town for at least 30 days on tuesday, so my brother will be finishing up. i've got to give him a crash course!

-shake

[TurboALLWD]

Good idea on the 600w. Thats what i got and i love it :) even with a used bulb over a year old its still making my plants get thick! You're plants look like they could use more veg time before flowering, i just put 2 clones under my 600w running 12/12 and their just a hair bigger than yours, except their in hydro! I really wanted to wait until they were bigger but I don't even have a clue how big they'll get with the drip/dwc system. Besides, the bubble cloner was only 3 or 4 inches deep and the roots were binding up, had to put them somewhere :) So flowering was my only option hehe

You'll need a good fan to exhaust you're grow room/tent when you go big with the 600w. check out my pics of the hydro setup, their poor quality but it'll give you an idea what i'm up to. peace

[headshake]

good lookin turbo! then i'll transplant tomorow. i'll be going out of town for at least a month or so....so my brother will be taking them over. hopefully all goes well.

-shake

[LolaGal]

Greetings 'Shake! Found your thread and read the whole thing tonite. I can't believe you did all that in a cardboard box. Hope your brother doesn't kill your babies. Hide the fertilizer. :) edit: IMO I'd veg them till you get back and give him bottled water.

(Hijack In Progress) I am a big Bob Ross fan, never occurred to me he was a stoner. Is that a real photo? Did you know Bob? Man I would LOVE to have that picture. Please answer.

good luck

Lola

[bigsmoke07]

sweet dude i wish i could afford more light but im happy with my 400w hopefully it will produce some good buds for me. in the mean time peace love and get high

[headshake]

Greetings 'Shake! Found your thread and read the whole thing tonite. I can't believe you did all that in a cardboard box. Hope your brother doesn't kill your babies. Hide the fertilizer. :) edit: IMO I'd veg them till you get back and give him bottled water.

(Hijack In Progress) I am a big Bob Ross fan, never occurred to me he was a stoner. Is that a real photo? Did you know Bob? Man I would LOVE to have that picture. Please answer.

good luck

Lola

just goolge bob ross!


sweet dude i wish i could afford more light but im happy with my 400w hopefully it will produce some good buds for me. in the mean time peace love and get high

i'm sure you will. i'm interested to see the actual difference you get!

ok. so here is an update. i watered w/nutes yesterday. the plants are already pretty dry so i guess it's time to transplant. i am going to an 8" pot. i'm sure stinky (if she even reads this) will get mad at me, so i'm sorry. i also got some perlite. while out i also picked up some superthrive and some super bloom (no relation i don't think). i'll have pics and details in a bit. thanks to all those who follow along.

-shake

[bigsmoke07]

yea dude so far my biggest prob is keeping the temps below 90 i got my window open all day and the lowest its gotten was right now which its like at 87 but the plants are looking like they love the light

[headshake]

i bet they do. just be careful. i've read that at ~88 photosynthesis shuts off. what kind of reflector do you have running?

-shake

[bigsmoke07]

homemde sheet metal bent into a reflector

[headshake]

you might want to look into a good exhaust fan. if that doesn't work maybe a reflector with air cooling.

-shake

[bigsmoke07]

yea i got to make a cool tube i got the hurricane glass already just need to finish it. im lazy lol. but yea should be posting pics tonight my buddy just got here so im gonna use his iphone lol.

[headshake]

already bigsmoke! lol.

ok. here is an update. i replanted the plants (all but one that was in the biggest pot) two days ago. i was sick as a dog yesterday so i didn't post. sorry. i was throwing up and sleeping all day! anyhow, i used 8" pots, i used miracle grow potting soil and perlite. i made a 3:1 mix, respectively. the roots looked white and healthy. i think they definitely were ready to move on up.

they got waterd/fed with mg and superthirve.

i'll post pics for all this stuff and re-update right after this

pic 1 - superthrive, obviously, small bottle, 2 oz i think?

pic 2- 8" pot with quarter inside.

pic 3 - 8" pot with superthrive outside.

pic 4 - perlite

pic 5 - potting soil

to be continued....

-shake

edit: labeled pics wrong

[bigsmoke07]

sweetness luckily you know since you live in tx its been cool so i keep my windo open and it keeps the temps down around 85 84 which aint bad

[headshake]

so today, i get up feeling immensely better than yesterday. i was thinking about the plants being pretty small (my area is not big mind you) and some advice (lolagal) convinced me to let the plants veg while i'm gone for the next month. so i am.....but i decided to LST them.

i'm not sure if it's how the pros do it, but it's how i'm doing it. i grabbed some landscaping wire from lowes along with pots (wal-mart actually), soil, perlite, superthrive and super bloom (no relation).

so i bent the plants over and used the wire to make them stay and then used a horseshoe-shaped piece to pin the tops down. we'll see what happens i guess. i'll post some pics. i have some of the stuff i bought too, so the LST ones might follow....

pic 1 - landscaping wire

pic 2 - super bloom by green light, 12-55-6, .10% chleated iron

pic 3 - one of the plants in new pot

pic 4 - garden

pic 5 - garden with rogue youngster.

-shake

[headshake]

and as promised, episode II concludes with the LST pics. hope you guys approve. it's always a work in progress!

pic 1 - my attempt at LST.

pic 2- a little closer.

pic 3 - the garden now.

pic 4 - and the garden with the rogue.

-shake

[bigsmoke07]

you bent them bad girls hardcore you need to train them before you get them that far over lol

[LolaGal]

Shake IMO let the girls veg and get a little bigger before LST. They aren't real big yet and strain may be too much for your brother to handle by himself with no experience while you're gone. I think that was a run on sentence!

I never tried LST but I read you sorta bend the tip gradually with a piece of hemp string or something. You want quality right? Patience weedhopper.......:thumbsup:

[headshake]

lola, i agree that they may be a little small. but the space i am working with is not that big. it's like 27 1/2 tall, 20 wide, and 16 deep or something. so i can let them get too big and unruly.

smoke, from everything i've read you can just bend them right over. i've seen people just use their fingernail and kinda cut the stalk and bend it over, practically breaking it. these bent over fine. just make sure you water at least one hour before, preferrably the day before.

if they have problems i'll let them up. i appreciate the concern and heed the advice. and thank you very much for following along, i hope both of you continue to!

-shake

[justanotherbozo]

hey -shake, just wanted to say thanks for takin' up the slack on
my thread while i was away, good vibes comin' your way man!

also, i would strongly suggest you learn to clone now, first, so you
will have a head-start on your next crop, second, because you must
learn to clone if you really want to be self-sufficient. and it's just not
that hard to do.

oh yeah, personally, i'd stay away from the Lowryders and any other
auto-flowering strains. the auto-flowering trait comes from Ruderalis
genetics and no matter how fast they grow, they rob the grower of
the ability to propagate asexually, 1 seed, 1 plant, period.

anyway, thanks again for answering questions for me while i was 'out'.

[headshake]

anytime bozo! just glad that you are back!

i definitely want to clone. i need to put together a little clone/veg box. i'm definitely going with you're cloner. best on the market i hear!

i think i'll work on putting something together tomorrow.

and the plan is/was for me and my bro to do a 600w HPS with seperate floro. tube clone/veg area. either ebb & flow or DWC. can't decide. want to do multiple stains simultaneously. i'm gathering info and pricing stuff out. i'm excited.

the current crop is looking pretty good. i think i'm gonna look into some Y splitters and and paint the inside white. and i obvisouly started LST.

anyhow, glad you're back!

-shake

[justanotherbozo]

anytime bozo! just glad that you are back!

i definitely want to clone. i need to put together a little clone/veg box. i'm definitely going with you're cloner. best on the market i hear!

i think i'll work on putting something together tomorrow.

and the plan is/was for me and my bro to do a 600w HPS with seperate floro. tube clone/veg area. either ebb & flow or DWC. can't decide. want to do multiple stains simultaneously. i'm gathering info and pricing stuff out. i'm excited.

the current crop is looking pretty good. i think i'm gonna look into some Y splitters and and paint the inside white. and i obvisouly started LST.

anyhow, glad you're back!

-shake

thanks man.

also, i'm no expert but i'd suggest DWC for your first time with hydro.
there's just a lot less that can go wrong. might be the best way with
a multi-strain grow also as different strains have different requirements
and it's a lot easier to set up seperate resevoirs for DWC than for e&f
systems.

and believe me, you'll be amazed at the growth rate!

btw, if you go back through my garden you'll see my struggle up the hydro
learning curve with DWC. (here's a pic of one of my bins which i got at Lowes
and which are rated to hold 27 qts so they hold 5 gallons with room to spare
and being black, they are light proof from day one)

[sfxer02]

awesome little grow

Semper Fi from a disabled Marine.

USMC/medically retired 1996-2008

[headshake]

thanks man.

also, i'm no expert but i'd suggest DWC for your first time with hydro.
there's just a lot less that can go wrong. might be the best way with
a multi-strain grow also as different strains have different requirements
and it's a lot easier to set up seperate resevoirs for DWC than for e&f
systems.

and believe me, you'll be amazed at the growth rate!

i've definitely decided to go with DWC. i'm now concentrating my efforts on researching that. the grow setup size is the perpetual variable at the moment, so that makes it hard to nail down the specifics (which dries me crazy might i add!).


btw, if you go back through my garden you'll see my struggle up the hydro
learning curve with DWC. (here's a pic of one of my bins which i got at Lowes
and which are rated to hold 27 qts so they hold 5 gallons with room to spare
and being black, they are light proof from day one)

as soon as i get done posting this, doing a little LST and getting some new pics posted i'm heading back to your thread to start taking notes.


awesome little grow

Semper Fi from a disabled Marine.

USMC/medically retired 1996-2008

thank you! it's fun with this little grow. it's obviously my first time so it's a good learning experience. i am looking forward to having a proper setup though.

Semper Fi!

i'm sorry to hear that. i truly am. but thank you for your courage. i appreciate your sacrifice from the bottom of my heart.

i was in 1997-2002. what was your mos? mine was 6324, avionics on hueys and cobras.

good to have a fellow marine on the boards and following the grow. like i said, there will be some pics here in a bit.

stay tuned.

-shake

[sfxer02]

Thanks

I was a 6172 CH46E crewchief and than I lat moved to 6176 Osprey crewchief. Just like you I am sure, I was part of a few MEU's and worked with alot of skid kids....I was on MCAS NEW River with a few units

[headshake]

yes sir! i went on one MEU and was deployed to okinawa the second time. i was attached to a 46 squadron. can't remember the squadron number. the call sign was "lady ace". damn memory.

what are your thoughts on the osprey? i never rode in one. i don't know if you remember when those two osprey's crashed in arizona, by phoenix i think? around 2000-01. i was out at WTI in yuma at the time. they used our hangar to reconstruct the wreckage. it was pretty sad. the osprey is a pretty big bird and there was hardly nothing left. that was still when they were in testing i think, or just barely done with it. when the whole safety controversy was still going on.

i think i remember hearing that they cancelled the program. is that correct? like i said, i think i remember. damn weed. lol.

i was in the west coast. camp pendleton. never made it to the east but would have loved a med float!

okay, not to hijack my own thread. update, with pics, to follow immediately...

-shake

[headshake]

okay, it's been a few days since the last update so i figured it's time to check in. thanks to all the friends following, new and old!

our adventure continues with 6, unknown sex perps, in the grow cab. they seem to be responding fine to the LST. they are growing pretty well considering they are only under 4 CFLs! i'm thinking of getting Y spitters. maybe this weekend.

also, before i forget, i ditched the foil and painted the inside of the cab flat white. i'm gonna add a few more coats though.

i fed them yesterday. the cycle i've been using has been water/food, water/food, water. repeat. this is on an as needed schedule. they are eating full strength mg. maybe i'll get some better veg nutes this weekend too. (it's kinda hard to convience the wife to let me spend more money on frank, short for frankenstein, her pet name for my project (or the mothership! lol) so we'll see i guess. maybe i'll tell her i need nutes for christmas!)

i have kept an eye on how they respond and they seem to be doing okay. i also supplement with superthrive. ~1/2 cap full per gallon. when they get just water i usually give them twice what they get when they are getting fed as well.

i'm open to feedback! it's actually welcome, so please, even if it's negative, just be courteous.

i'll be attaching numerous posts with pics to follow.

will they continue to thrive? will the lack of light hamper them? are they gluttons and eating too much food?

stay tuned next week folks, same weed time, same weed channel...

-shake

pic 1 - first batch, before adjusting today.

pic 2 - first batch, tied down.

pic 3 - close-up of growth. they seem to be doing okay. no?

pic 4- more growth-up.

pic 5 - unruly second batch (before discipline).

[sfxer02]

is there a way to PM?

Yeah I lost friends on both of the recent crash's.
I was also at WTI as a student at that time...wow cool we were there at the same time.....
I love the V22, I have some flight time flying in it and have numerous friends over in Iraq right now with the V22
PM ur email if u dont' have a problem with that....

awesome setup man...I am gonna get a pc stealth going after my shrooms are done and ready for study...

I waiting on the Michigan medical program to get started so I can grow legally. I got 2 conditions listed on the medical qualification. So I should get my MMJ card

[headshake]

here are some more pics. sorry i got a little carried away. i know i like grow logs with lots of pics. anyway.

pic 1 - unrulies ruled! second batch "spread" down.

pic 2 - did i mention i broke off the top of one of the plants? did you notice in the pics before? are you even paying attention?

is there anyway to save the top? i looks pretty good still where the new growth is. the fan leaves are dying though. i have it in a shot glass with water under the lights right now. any ideas?

pic 3 - a little closer of the battle wound.

pic 4 - another growth-up, of the second batch this time. they seem to be getting pretty bushy! not to bad eh?

pic 5 - the current garden.

-shake
(for mike honcho)

[hydrocannabis]

they r looking great.:D cant to see them in full bloom.:thumbsup:

[headshake]

they r looking great.:D cant to see them in full bloom.:thumbsup:

thanks hydrocannabis! i'm doing the best i can with my limited budget and knowledge.

[email protected]

hit me up sfxer02.

-shake

[hydrocannabis]

same here.:thumbsup::jointsmile:

[bigsmoke07]

for real i hear both a yall i got like 8 palnts right now about to go into 12/12 pretty sweet shit. weed never fails to amaze me or mabye just cause im very baked idk. but either way its an honor to call my self a grower as with all of yall.

[bigsmoke07]

are yall dead

[headshake]

not dead. maybe i'll post some more pics later. after i bent the plants over i pinned some of the shade leaves open. they are growing like crazy. i can't wait til i can double my light bulbs. i think the white paint might have helped too. still got another couple of coats to go.

there should be a clone/veg box coming shortly. i am currently having car problems (needs an alternator) so a lot of this might get put on hold. so who knows...

i'll keep you guys posted. like i said, i might put some more pics up later.

-shake

[bigsmoke07]

yea sorry just wonderin been really quiet up in the boards

[headshake]

yeah it has been kind of quite. i haven't decided if i want to take the plants out for a photo session or not. maybe later.....i'm too blazed. it seems like they have grown sizeably though.

-shake

[bigsmoke07]

yea dude smoked like 10 bowls and drank a 12 pack so im pretty f-ed up lol yea you should post pics and then look at mine mine are huge

[llama shack]

Looks like your grow is coming along, not bad for a cardboard box and 4 CFL's ;)

Good luck!

[headshake]

thanks llama! i plan on adding 4 more bulbs i think. and a couple more coats of flat white. and a clone/veg box is in the works. and then the DWC setup.

i'll probably build the bubble cloner first, since i won't be harvesting anytime soon. let some clones veg in there, and then a little later build the DWC and move the clones and start the (hopefully) perpetual cycle.

okay, okay bigsmoke. i'll get some pics up here in a minute. no bs.

-shake

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

hey shake, just thought i'd stop in. log looks great, hope ya have a nice girl/guy ratio when the lights switch. this whole grow makes me wanna do another closet session myself. well nice work so far, ill be sure to check on the progress.

mgm

[headshake]

thanks mr. goodmorning02! i am trying. i started off with like $20 and have invested approximately $150 since. i should have just done it right to begin with. but i do have a lot of factors that kept me from doing so. the next grow will be proper. but it is a good learning experience. i cannot complain. and more than anything it's helping me with my patience!

okay. okay. i'm going to take pics right this second. they will be up in a few.

-shake

[bigsmoke07]

for sure dude ihope everything goes well with your grow so far mine is going fantastic im debating on wheter or not to switch to 12/12 cause im movin intomy apartment inlike a week and i dont want to mess themup movin em so i dont know

[llama shack]

thanks llama! i plan on adding 4 more bulbs i think. and a couple more coats of flat white. and a clone/veg box is in the works. and then the DWC setup.

i'll probably build the bubble cloner first, since i won't be harvesting anytime soon. let some clones veg in there, and then a little later build the DWC and move the clones and start the (hopefully) perpetual cycle.

okay, okay bigsmoke. i'll get some pics up here in a minute. no bs.

-shake

Haha, 4 more bulbs is gonna make it pretty crowded in there. The more the better, but don't compromise the structural integrity of that cardboard box. Think the fans will be able to handle the added heat?

[headshake]

llama, i think so. i can take the risers in the bottom out. i've got close to a foot that's styrofoam so the plants were closer to the lights. it will still be tight.

i've got the pics taken and just have to upload them. i've got company right now. they are coming though.

i think the fans can handle it. the temps have been cold here lately, so the box stays in the high 60's/low 70's for the most part. i can replace one of the fans. i should/need too anyway. one of the cheap car fans quit running a while ago. and the box should be able to handle it too. if not, i'll build a new one. it's only cardboard.

-shake

[headshake]

okay folks. here are some pictures that i promised.

i watered/fed them today. i also pinned them open a little more. and i removed the landscaping wire from the base of the plants....almost too late! yikes! luckily i think i got them in time. LEARN FROM MY MISTAKES DON'T FORGET TO REMOVE THE WIRE!

pic 1-5 5 plants. more to follow...


-shake

[LolaGal]

Wow Shake looking great. My how the children have grown since last I saw them!:)

[GoldenGraham84]

nice. continuing to look spectacular. well done, sir. making me think of getting my hands in the dirt...

[headshake]

thanks for the feedback everyone! i really appreciate it.

sorry. i tried to post these immedietely following the last post, but my internet has been jacked up. sorry. anyhow. some more pics.

pic 1- the sixth amigo.

pic 2 - all the amigos.

pic 3 - the broken top i'm trying to save and a leaf i put in there for fun. just to see if it would stay alive. any help for saving the top would rock! i just have water with a drop of superthrive in a shot glass.

pic 4 - close up of the broken top with the leaf in the foreground.

pic 5 - the box currently.

-shake

[headshake]

i have a couple of more pics. they are just some i got while messing with the settings on my camera. it's an old sony. i got it from a friend and don't have the manual and really never thought about downloading it. yes, some people still read the manuals. and i prefer a hard copy and not that digital crap!

anyway. here they are.

-shake

[bigsmoke07]

nice lookin babies man they are growin up so fast. it brings a tearto my eye. lol good job bro keep on keepin on

[hydrocannabis]

wow they R looking great. U do know that u will need way more light when U switch to 12-12/flower.

:thumbsup:

[headshake]

nice lookin babies man they are growin up so fast. it brings a tearto my eye. lol good job bro keep on keepin on

thanks. lmao!


wow they R looking great. U do know that u will need way more light when U switch to 12-12/flower.

:thumbsup:

thanks!

i wasn't aware that would be a problem specifically, but i do plan on adding like 4 more bulbs. not to mention, i'll probably loose at least 2 plants (just guessing here). but i do appreciate the info, good lookin.

-shake

[bigsmoke07]

you should check out my pics of my babies lol they are huge

[headshake]

smoke, i just checked em out. they are tall. they look a little thin though. just my 2 cents.

about to LST some more. i'm diggin LST. i think i might want to go scrog with my next grow. something else to get my hands dirty.

-shake

[sfxer02]

looking sweet my friend.....

[bigsmoke07]

yea they aregettin bushier now

[bigsmoke07]

yea they did stretch a littlethough but they are fillin out nicely now

[farredeyed]

What's up Shake, any new pics?

[headshake]

not at the moment farred. but i'll take them out in a bit and post some. i've got the broken tip in soil now. hopefully it will take root and live!

-shake

[bigsmoke07]

keep up the good work shake and in no time we will have sweet sweet bud

[headshake]

thanks bigsmoke, i'm working on it!

-shake

[Joyrider]

DAMMMNNN.....Loooking sweet. The LST'ing looks good aside from the broken top. How much longer until you switch the lights and sex em?

[HEADBANDKUSH]

MAKE SURE YOU HAE SOME KIND OF GOOD VENTILATION!!! YOU WILL GET BIGGER BUDS AND YOU WONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE SMELL.

[headshake]

joyrider, i'm not sure. here pretty soon i guess. i'll probably be watching them for the next couple of days.

i'll get some pics up tonight or tomorrow!

good looking, headbandkush!

-shake

[headshake]

okay guys. sorry that i haven't been a good log keeper lately. i've been putting a lot of work in on my website. i do have a few pics though! please forgive?!

sorry about the quality of the pics. i'm not sure what happend to some of them. it was late, i was blowed. who knows? so i'll get some more better ones up soon. this website is kicking my butt!

i appreciate everyone that's following along. i think i'm doing pretty good for what i'm working with. and it's only gonna get better!

pic 1 - one of the plants before LSTing it some more. just for an idea.

pic 2 - 5 -some pics of the post LSTd plants. i think one is missing. i think it was too blurry. i have been having some issues though. you'll see in the next post.

-shake

[headshake]

ok. more pics. sorry again about the quality. these aren't the problem pics. these are from the garden! hold your horses, they are coming!

pic 1/2 - post LSTd pics. these pics are a couple of days old.

pic 3/4 - pics as of just a few minutes ago.

pic 5 - the broken tip is living! LIVIIIIIING I SAY! IT'S ALIVE!

sorry.

-shake

[headshake]

and finally, the problem pics. i know some of it has to do with feeding. i just use a measuring cup and dump it in the pot. i try to pour it slow and not splash it, but when they are bent over it's hard not to touch it. there could be some deficiency too. i did use some full strength mg so that didn't work. i was trying to find the sweet spot. i think i found the not sweet spot! but i know where to go now.

they just got a whole lot of water the other day. don't have the log close sorry.

i'll be better about keeping up with this thing. nothing is more dissapointing than a log that just stops, kinda like a bad movie or something......

all pics of damage.

and as far as LSTing is concerned, i need to stop 10 days prior to flower? or no? if so, do you just let it go wild in flower?

thanks.

-shake
-shake

[LolaGal]

Shake, I know this is my problem, but you see I hear Bob Ross's voice when I read your posts...It's hilarious when I hear Bob Ross go IT's alive!!!!!! NO, I don't actually hear Bob Ross in my head talking, but ya know what I mean?

Super impressed you got this grow doing what it's doing! You are a good farmer (my highest compliment). I only wish I had seen this thread 5 years ago, I would have had those CFLs burning....inspiring.

Thanks for the laughs Bob...er...I mean Shake...:D

[headshake]

thana lola! really. i think you made me blush! i started with a dream and no budget. and pretty much got ridiculed along the way. oh well, i think i showed em, er am, am showing!

and it's one of the most regularly update logs i've seen, not to toot my own horn.

also, real talk, i couldn't do it with out bob's spirit! i mean, he was like a walking bud plant! on the cool.

once again, thank you so very much. i appreciate the help and words of encouragement!

-shake

[hydrocannabis]

wow they R looking great as hell. great as hell I say.

cant to see em in full flower mode.:D:thumbsup:
the pix came out just fine on my pc.:thumbsup:

also that is a super duper good job on the LSTing ur plants.:thumbsup:
and looks like a super nice grow box.:thumbsup:


happy holidays :rasta: man.

[headshake]

thanks, thanks and thanks hydro! i do my best. it wouldn't be possible without these wonderful forums.

i think i'm about to put them into flower maybe tomorrow? who knows? i think i'm gonna try the 36 hour dark method. to try to get the to show sex quickly. get rid of the males and repot the ladies. i'm hopin for 50/50. 3/5 gal pots? something like that.

i've got about a foot of space that's not even being used yet! i'm excited to see them spill their guts too!

i must say for all of the doubters in the beginning i seem to be doing okay. i am pleasently surprised.

lol @ supernice! it's a cardboard frakenstein. but it works! i think i can get 8 bulbs in there. i need to get some Y splitters. maybe they'll come in my stocking! that would be sweet!

happy holidays to you too hydro! happy holidays to everyone! thanks for tuning in!

-shake

p.s. for some reason i think i remember something about LST and waiting 10 days before entering flower? anyone? i could have made this up. if not, i'm putting them into darkness tomorrow!

[bigsmoke07]

dude shake they are looking amazing bro keep up the good work

[headshake]

what's going on everyone?! i'm back! i got credit for some back time and got time served on my stuff. so i only had to do 8 days as opposed to the 30 i was expecting. good deal there.

i posted a bunch of pics before i went in. i'm not sure what happened to them all. anyway. i'll to get some new ones up. all of the old ones are on my computer (using the wifes) which is going back to gateway for repair.

out of all of the plants, only one died. well one in the green, 3 gallon pot did. but it was a MALE so it worked out. not sure exactly why it died. everything else looks good.

oh, and as far as the seedlings, most of them didn't make it. i think i transplanted too soon. and my cats knocking them over didn't help.

some of the clones appear to be making it too! definitely not the best way to clone though!

i'm off to try to catch up around here!!!

1. male that died.

2. proof that it was a male!

3-5. some of the ladies.

-shake

[headshake]

what's good everyone? is anyone there? are the boards back up for good? who has answers? damnit we need answers! neigh, demand answers!

okay, just kidding. sorry for getting carried away! but for real, what's going on everyone? how is everyone? is everyone still with us?

i am happy to report that all original ladies are still alive!!! they are big and full of buds covered in diamonds! i'll get some pics up soon if the boards stay going!

as i said, on of the original 5 has died, but it was a male! so that worked out great. this happened while i was in jail. i would like to thank my wonderful wife for keeping my girls alive while i was locked up!!! she did a wonderful job, with NO prior knowledge and a half a sheet of written and about 10 minutes of verbal instructions!

there are 2 clones from the original batch taken (the ones in the reddish orange nursery pack thing). there were two more that could have been saved but they were both taken from the male that died so i killed them off.

all of the clones dying was my fault. the housing they are in is a work in progress and just didn't cut it. i have modified said housing yet it remains a work in progress. i added 4 x 23w CFLs (6500K). i think i'll trade one out for a 2700k bulb. when i had the original group in veg they seemed to really like the 2700k. i don't use the tube bulb anymore but i haven't taken it out yet.
the first night with the CFLs the temp got to 104 and cooked a second set of clones i had taken. now i can prop it open and get a solid 85 degrees with about 30% humidity. i have placed a cup of water in there but it hasn't seemed to help.

i know i need some fans both for ventilation and circulation. that's coming next. hopefully with an air pump and some new tupperware tubs. some that will fit in frank, or the next version that may be coming soon!

i want to flip him sideways and start a perpetual SOG. i figured that if i could pull 30g off of each plant, and pull 8 plants every two weeks that i could obviously yield ~ a half pound!

that's obviously a rough draft but a very achievable goal i believe. any input here?

i've got several other plants in various stages. i have two of (what i remember to be seedlings from the ones planted just before i went to jail/same time as the clones were taken), one of which is looking okay after struggling and one that is just taking off!

i also have the aforementioned surviving clones. there are 2 more that i don't think will make it but i am trying to save them just to see. just for the experience.

and finally i have 12 seedlings. they are as follows:

5 x dank (dank bagseed, various known genetics, unknown to me)
1 x beaster (from bag)
4 x Really Good Corn (RGC) (from bag)
2 x Good Corn (GC) (from bag)

they are all in the new clone/veg box. they are looking good so far. they are in dixie cups currently.

i think that is all for now. i will get some pics up like i said, if the boards stay up! and some current bud porn!

*crosses fingers*

-shake

edit: it's been so long that i forgot to sign! lol. and i'm blazed, which didn't help!

[Italiano715]

Good to see ya back shake, good luck with the next grow....Can't wait to see the bud pics!! Take a look at my log too, got some pics of the ladies!!

[GoldenGraham84]

hey shake! poppin in with ideas! to help combat my high temps and low humidity, i bought a cool mist humidifier. basically a reservoir, a filter that soaks up reservoir water, and a 2-speed fan over the filter. fill the res with cold water and add a small ice pack, or a dozen ice cubes. i went from average temps of 82.4 and humidity @ 20% before, to average temps 74 and 40% average RH.

[LolaGal]

good to see ya again Shake, I thought it would be tough doing 30 days with ya gone....haha, seems like we all did more than 30 days with the site back down.

Everybody jumped ship and went over to ICMag, where we huddled together like true survivors of a disaster. It really brought us all closer together. I saw a dude over there with a cardboard box grow, checked it out, but of course it wasn't you!

I've been enduring a severe ice storm, which wiped out most everybody's power for over a week. All my plants survived by some miracle. Only 2 girls left out of 7....No NL5Haze for me..all boys! :( Some people still have no power 'round here. I had no internet for over a week, so you can imagine all the withdrawals I've been going through...haha.

Glad to hear ya only got 8 days...sounded like BS to me, that you even had to serve 8! Catch ya later.

[DTRave420]

Nice to see ya headshake...Glad to hear you weren't down as long as thought you'd be...

[lunarose]

Shake, Glad to your back amd up and growing. I have had some cat problems too one of mine likes to sit on the seedlings. I've been a deal with him he gets an occasional fan leaf if he leaves my grow alone...so far its working

[headshake]

Shake, Glad to your back amd up and growing. I have had some cat problems too one of mine likes to sit on the seedlings. I've been a deal with him he gets an occasional fan leaf if he leaves my grow alone...so far its working

lol. that's awesome! i might have to try that.

thanks italiano, golden, lola, dave and luna! i think i got you all!

golden, i might have to give that a try. i'll have to see. space is very limited at the moment. and so is the budget. although, i want to add some fans to the veg/clone box. and revamp the flower box for smaller plants in a perpetual cycle based on a two week harvest schedule. and then turn it into a hydro rig. and then.......sorry for sounding like the annoying kid that won't shut up. i just want to do a lot dammit!

so here are the pics as promised. i have a bunch so the following few posts won't contain anything but pic info.

thanks for checking in stay tuned. and there will be a new log for the seedlings!

-shake

pic 1- contestant #1. this one doesn't look like the others. tall and lanky. nice big buds!

pic 2- close up.

pic 3- semi-close up. BIG!

pic 4- and contestant #2!

pic 5- close up.

[headshake]

pic 1- 2nd close up of contestant #2. i know it's blurry but can you say ICY?!

pic 2- lady #3. similar to #2.

pic 3- close up.

pic 4- close up.

pic 5- and contestant #4 come on down. also similar to #'s 2 & 3.

-shake

[headshake]

pic 1-close up of lady #4.

pic 2- another of the same.

pic 3- the two seedlings from the original batch of seedlings (i think). one is big obviously. i don't have anything ready for flower so i think i'm gonna throw it in for scientific purposes once the current class graduates.

thanks for checking in. keep the comments comming!

-shake

[Shovelhandle]

nice buds, Bub!

[LolaGal]

Looking good Shake! Hope you get really stoned!

[DTRave420]

Coming along nicely Shake...:)

[KingKronic420]

hell yeah shake! they're lookin bomb man. :thumbsup:

[Italiano715]

Hail yeah, looking really good shake, def. going to LST my next batch !!! Keep up the good work...:thumbsup:

[headshake]

i don't have anything to report really. i just wanted to say thanks to everyone for checking in and for all of the encouraging words!

i'll be starting a new log for the two surving clones, the little big plants or fridge top duo F.T.D.) if you prefer and all of the, i guess now what would be considered plants and not seedlings.

the link will be in the sig as soon as it's up!

-shake

[GoldenGraham84]

looking forward to it shake! lol.... FTD... all i can think is of flower delivery men with big boquets of buds.

[headshake]

looking forward to it shake! lol.... FTD... all i can think is of flower delivery men with big boquets of buds.

we should patent that idea! delivery bouquet of buds! FCD!

-shake

[Lit Up]

Mad props shake, looking very nice, very nice.

[headshake]

Mad props shake, looking very nice, very nice.

thanks lit up! i just got done commenting on your log. that's funny as hell. i've got some pics coming up here in just a few minutes.

-shake

[headshake]

i just got done watering and feeding the ladies and snapped a few pics. i know that the leaves will start to yellow as the plant pulls the nutes from the leaves to focus on bud production. they have been in flower for 47 days.

all i have been able to find so far is this little 15x jewelers eye piece thing. it's not a loupe. think the glasses in national treasure, for those of you who have seen it.

-shake

pic 1-the girls

pic 2-5-just pics of possible problems

[LolaGal]

we should patent that idea! delivery bouquet of buds! FCD!

-shake

Woohoo! I'll be your first delivery customer...gimme 2...lol Wouldn't that be nice....call up the florist and send out big bud bouquet. That'd be a good name...

"For Valentine's Day, send the one you love a Big Bud Bouquet...It comes in it's own bong..." hahahaha


Nice looking buds there 'Shake...

[GoldenGraham84]

so you're obviously worried about the yellowing, i'm guessing? when was your last leaching/flush?

[Italiano715]

looking good shake, look like they are starting to fill in quite nicely there! :greenthumb: Pretty good first grow there! Do you water with nutes every time you water? Looks like ya might want to flush possibly?

[headshake]

so you're obviously worried about the yellowing, i'm guessing? when was your last leaching/flush?

correct gg. on february 5th was the last time i flushed em. i usually go in a water/feed, water/feed, water, repeat regiment. i might have gotten a little overzealous with the nutes.

it's kinda weird. anyhow. i'm trucking along. hopefully they make it. i

i need to find a new magnifying glass/microscope.

other than that, not much has changed.

-shake

[GoldenGraham84]

that could be it i suppose. they look to still be flowering well other than that. perhaps a straight flush with 5x your pot size of water before your next feed and also dialing back your nutes? probably things you're already planning on, but i'm bored at work. if you have radioshacks in your area, they offer a 60x-100x magnifier for less than $15. best way i found to use it is to take a small trimming on a white surface (copy paper works well) and place the magnifier over it. switch on the magnifier's built-in light, and there you go.

[headshake]

good lookin gg! i always appreciate the info, whether i thought of it first or not. i'll definitely do both of those. and i'm checking into radio shack right now.

thanks again!

-shake

[KingKronic420]

if you have radioshacks in your area, they offer a 60x-100x magnifier for less than $15.

x2 on the Shack magnifiers. cheap and efficient.:thumbsup:

[zihowie]

What size pots are those?

[headshake]

What size pots are those?

3 gallon.

-shake

[headshake]

what's good everybody? i have been reading up and harvesting and whatnot and have a few questions for anyone following along.

first off, i just got a 60-100x microscope from radio shack. i haven't had a chance to look at the ladies yet, they are sleeping.

they have been in flower for 48 days. there are definitely red hairs. probably 20-25% on the most advanced one. i'll give a better idea tomorrow. now this are the pistils, right? and they are covered in trichs or no? like i said, i haven't looked yet. sorry for the ignorance!

and if i want the cerebral high i go with clear or slightly milky trichs. and more couchlock stoned i let most of them turn amber? or that's the hairs? dammnit to hell!

gg, when you say cutting, you mean what exactly? are you talking from the bud or a leaf coming from the bud?

i guess what i'm saying is that if anyone has a good link to a tutorial or some information that would be awesome! anything for harvesting and curing!

rock on my good peeps!

-shake

[Italiano715]

what's good everybody? i have been reading up and harvesting and whatnot and have a few questions for anyone following along.

first off, i just got a 60-100x microscope from radio shack. i haven't had a chance to look at the ladies yet, they are sleeping.

they have been in flower for 48 days. there are definitely red hairs. probably 20-25% on the most advanced one. i'll give a better idea tomorrow. now this are the pistils, right? and they are covered in trichs or no? like i said, i haven't looked yet. sorry for the ignorance!

and if i want the cerebral high i go with clear or slightly milky trichs. and more couchlock stoned i let most of them turn amber? or that's the hairs? dammnit to hell!

gg, when you say cutting, you mean what exactly? are you talking from the bud or a leaf coming from the bud?

i guess what i'm saying is that if anyone has a good link to a tutorial or some information that would be awesome! anything for harvesting and curing!

rock on my good peeps!

-shake


Hope this helps a little!!!

How to Harvest, Dry and Cure Your Marijuana Plants | Cutting, Harvesting, Trimming & Drying Cannabis, Pot, & Weed Buds (http://www.weedsthatplease.com/harvest.htm)
When to Harvest Marijuana - A Guide to Harvesting Marijuana by Concept420 (http://www.concept420.com/when-to-harvest-marijuana.htm)

[Italiano715]

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[Italiano715]

YouTube - How to Tell When to Harvest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_r0_2ohTjk)

[headshake]

damn kid, good lookin! i would rep ya but i have to spread some around first. thanks again. time to go do some reading (and watching)!

-shake

[Italiano715]

No prob! Anything to help another fellow grower....That's why we're all here to lend a helping hand! The video should help some, its visual so its def. a good way to know what to look for!

[GoldenGraham84]

i see you've already gotten the help you need. as to your previous question, i clip off one of the single leaves near the top of the bud. that way, i leave the smokeable flower intact, but have a nice trich-y sample. you diggin that magnifier? its weird to focus at first, but when you surrender to placing anything you want to magnify on a flat surface and moving your eye to the magnifier (instead of vice versa), it really is simple.

hope your girls are ready early!

-GG84

[headshake]

i haven't used it for anything yet, except to look at one of those little order forms that come in a magazine! lol. i just got busy and by the time i was able to get to it they were our for the night. i'm gonna hit them up in the am though, fa sho!

that would be sweet if they were ready early! i think one or two of them might be.

i was thinking about getting some molasses. anyone ever use it and/or have any luck with it?

okay, back to learning!

-shake

[Italiano715]

i haven't used it for anything yet, except to look at one of those little order forms that come in a magazine! lol. i just got busy and by the time i was able to get to it they were our for the night. i'm gonna hit them up in the am though, fa sho!

that would be sweet if they were ready early! i think one or two of them might be.

i was thinking about getting some molasses. anyone ever use it and/or have any luck with it?

okay, back to learning!

-shake


I haven't used it personally yet, but from what I know it's supposed to make your buds swell during the last couple of weeks and it brings out the natural flavor of the cannabis....I plan on getting some for my little ladies too! Unsulphured black strap molasses is what I was told to use....Use it for 2 weeks, then flush for 7-10 days before harvest if I'm correct, but like I said personally I haven't used it yet, but def. planning too...

On another note I have the same magnifier that I also purchased from radioshack and what helps me to use the magnifier is to take a piece of the single leaves at the top of the bud and put in onto like a piece of white paper and set your magnifier onto the leaf through the little hole on the clear plastic piece and then focus it from there.....Once you get a good picture a few times you should get the hang of it! Let me know how it turns out!!!

[headshake]

ok. that microscope is something else to use! everything moves backwards, damn mirrors! it looks like most of my trichs are still clear with a few cloudy ones. i'm thinking about a) harvesting two of my plants and then putting them back into veg, or b) harvesting and leaving into flower and then possibly c) harvesting, chopping real small and making a bonsai mom.

can i get some feedback please? and here are a few pics of the two problems girls. the taller (mostly sativa, i think?) still doesn't have any red hairs but i was gonna go ahead and chop her so i didn't loose anything. what are your guys thoughts and feelings on the situation?

the other 2 (who appear to be the same strain) look very nice. they have a funky sour diesel type smell! they are still looking good.

i need to make a decision soon, like today. so come on guys, bail me out again!

italiano, i'm gonna try to go pick some molasses up this evening. i'll let you know.

thanks!

-shake

pic 1-body shot

pic 2-5-various bud shots, this is the lady that looks like a sativa (or at least mostly). i saw a couple of red hairs on her.

what's the verdict?

[headshake]

here are some pics of the other troublemaker.

pic 1-4-various bud shots. this lady has a lot of red hair!

and the verdict on this one please?

thanks again!

-shake

[GoldenGraham84]

you have many options...

trichs usually change (for the most part) all together. my advice is to take a smallish popcorn bud, dry it in the oven @ 200 or lower until its fairly crispy. smoke it (ignore the chloryphyll taste), and see how you like the effects. if you're happy, you know what to do.

you also could harvest the top 1/3 of one and then reveg into a mother, or allow it to flower longer and let the lower colas develop more.

or, you could do your bonsai idea. trimming roots can be fun.

i'd leave the one in the 1st set of pics alone for a while though, but its your call. sample them all!

on a side note, the second set of pics i saw deep dark green leaves. probably due to the nute thing we posted about earlier (full of nitrogen). you'll definitely wanna flush those for a week or so to eliminate that funky chemical smell and taste.

keep on rockin', 'shake!
-GG84

[headshake]

thanks for the info gg! as always, you rock! i wonder where they are getting all of this nitrogen from? the other two girls (the ones looking good) are very dark green. hmm?

okay. i'm gonna go grab a little bud, and dry it and test it out. then i'm gonna flush the piss out of them. i was gonna go get some molasses but now i'm unsure.

what would be "best" for the plants. or the "best" for me really. lol. to re-veg or to chop the tops and allow to flower more? and i think i am gonna bonsai atleast the sativa-esque mom. she has huge buds compared to the other ones!

the people on these forums are amazing. thanks again golden!

-shake

[GoldenGraham84]

best for you would be to smoke it all now. lol just playin. lets see... the best for...

yield - chop the top 1/3 of all plants and bud for another 4-5 weeks to let lower colas develop

potency - let them all go another 2-3 weeks. best piece of advice i've heard in awhile is, "when you think they're ready to chop, wait 5 days." you could also combine this waiting with the "best for yield" technique, above

i've never used molasses before, as i jumped balls in to hydro for my first grow. never hear people stop talking about it though. i don't think it provides anything but sugars that the plant can use immediately. no NPK value to it, just a boost of carbohydrates for the plant. so it couldn't hurt to do maybe a week's watering with molasses, then flush another week before harvest.

i've been early-morning drinking, so apologies if the above made no sense.

-GG84

[kcrah704]

Wow. Im a newbie but your grow log was impressive. How many days total has it been so far?

[headshake]

thanks kc! truly. this is my first go round, and it pretty much started as an experiment. when i started i knew nothing, and still don't know much. but i read all that i can and try to ask semi-intelligent questions.

other than that, it's just getting your hands dirty! have fun with it.

-shake

[headshake]

okay, i just got finished flushing the ladies out! they should have some clean colons, er, capillaries! two of them are so green that they are almost blue! what the hell?! where is all of this N coming from? i have been using superthrive. maybe that's the problem. i know i read somewhere not to use it during flower. any ideas?

the flower nutes i have are 12-55-6. i'm getting some new ones for the next go round!

okay, i'm off house hunting. i'll be checking back later.

-shake

[Shovelhandle]

Is your name from a fishing term? <G>

I likr your grow log, so far. Don't worry about the nute change until you cure the bud. A little life left in the leaves at harvest may not necessarily be a bag thing. Keep up the fine work, Bub.

Shov

[headshake]

Is your name from a fishing term? <G>

I likr your grow log, so far. Don't worry about the nute change until you cure the bud. A little life left in the leaves at harvest may not necessarily be a bag thing. Keep up the fine work, Bub.

Shov

i appreciate the kind words! thank you. i've learned so much including that i like growing things, not just cannabis, patience, and maybe something i would like to dedicate my life to!

and as far as the name, no it's not from a fishing term. i make music. i do hip-hop (don't think the crap you here on the radio, think make the world a better place, real hip-hop) and it's a name i came up with. you might shake your head like "what the hell is he talking about" (some of my lyrics are out there, make ya think type stuff) or you might be like "damn, that boy is a fool with it".....but either way you are gonna be shaking your damn head!

i appreciate the feedback!

-shake

[LolaGal]

Sounds like you got it under control Shake! Looking good....

I've used the Molasses...1 TBSP per gallon is the rate I heard. Be sure to get blackstrap Un Sulfured Molasses..... Don't eat it though...yuck...can't imagine anybody actually eating the stuff.....ick.....

Oh well, ya gotta taste it once...heehee.....

[Shovelhandle]

huh? now I'm shakin' my head. <G>

[headshake]

thanks lola! i'm still a little upset about the ladies, but live and learn.

sorry shovel! let's just put it like this, some of my lyrics are intense as far as the amount of information deliverd so you might not understand, so you shake your head.

but once you understand me (as far as the music is concerned) you would appreciate the music like "man he makes original, good music, what music is supposed to be, but it is still bleeding edge!" and you shake your head.

either way, it could be in combination, but either way, you are gonna shake your head.

shake ya head, aka headshake,

-shake

[MonkeyBone]

Headshake, i had trouble with one of my 2 ladies here. Always fed them equally, but one of them ingested too much! Big Bud chemical was too much for one!

See the damages for yourself on my grow log!

Flushed it real good 2½ week ago and she's fine! Lost a lot of leaves but she's tough!

So don't bother with yours man, They will be OK in a few days! Keep watering them only with water!...and a bit of love!:hippy:

:thumbsup:

[headshake]

best for you would be to smoke it all now. lol just playin. lets see... the best for...

yield - chop the top 1/3 of all plants and bud for another 4-5 weeks to let lower colas develop

potency - let them all go another 2-3 weeks. best piece of advice i've heard in awhile is, "when you think they're ready to chop, wait 5 days." you could also combine this waiting with the "best for yield" technique, above

i've never used molasses before, as i jumped balls in to hydro for my first grow. never hear people stop talking about it though. i don't think it provides anything but sugars that the plant can use immediately. no NPK value to it, just a boost of carbohydrates for the plant. so it couldn't hurt to do maybe a week's watering with molasses, then flush another week before harvest.

i've been early-morning drinking, so apologies if the above made no sense.

-GG84

i totally missed this post! what the hell?

i think i will just let them run another 2 or so weeks. i wanna put the youngsters in flower in a sea of green-esque setup. i just want to see what each type of method will accomplish.

i swear (i'm still figuring out this microscope!) that the heads of the trichs are starting to turn amber.

and i've got a few pics.


-shake

pic 1-3- i hope these are just calyx's that are starting to swell and not anything undesirable!?

[GoldenGraham84]

ha ha! you must've been early morning drinking too!

i wouldn't doubt that the trichs are starting the change from milky to clear. i don't see many sparkly trichs there.

keep up the good work, 'shake!
-GG84

[headshake]

i might have been gg! i for sure was blazed though!

not a whole lot to report. i did get some molasses that i'm about to hit the ladies with. it was a whopping $2.50 at walmart.

i was checking out some nutes online. i think i'm gonna get some for my bday. i've been checking out the fox farm soil trio and the technaflora bcuzz line. they have the b'cuzz sample starter pack for $30. it comes with:

b.c. grow (500mL)
b.c. bloom (500mL)
b.c. boost (500mL)
rootech cloning gel (7g)
thrive alive b-1 red (125mL)
thrive alive b-1 green (125mL)
awesome blossoms (125mL)
magical (125mL)
sugardaddy (250mL)
root 66 (250mL)

the other package i've been looking at are the fox farms soil trio. it was the quart(s)/946.35mL(each) package. it has:

grow big
big bloom
tiger bloom

any thoughts, ideas, or other options for this price range?

thanks guys and gals!


-shake

pic 1- molasses

pics 2-4- the ladies aren't the only things lurking in the tub! this is crush, full name: big crush groove aka gator face. he is a little over 1 year old reticulated python. he's about 8-9'.

[LolaGal]

Aww, That's just regular Molasses, not black strap molasses!

You can actually eat that! It tastes pretty good. Make some Popcorn Balls! ( Heat your molasses with butter on stove till it thickens a little, add popcorn, roll)

That Black strap Molasses tastes rough! It's the most concentrated, end product of the molasses making process. I read on a site with Three Little Birds(Original Poster) that BS Molasses is supposed to be the most nutritious for your plants. Google "Three Little Birds" and Molasses. Interesting article all about it.

Wonder how popcorn balls would be with cannabutter? Yummy. I'm hungry now...

[headshake]

whoops! oh well. it's gonna have to work for the time being!

-shake

[headshake]

damn! i think one of them hermied or the male managed to pop a couple of sacks while it was around. i think that those are seeds starting! damnit! any second opinions?

it looks like i have ~50% cloudy trichs. even on the plants where the pistols haven't turned yet! what the hell. what should i do? i want to chop! and now that i'm gonnna have seeds. i need to smoke a blunt!

-shake

[elskeetro]

Shake!

what's the word brotha? haven't seen you much since the big cdot crash.

Your plants are looking pretty tight man!

The dark green/bluish color may be over fert or it may be strain. The white rhino i run has seriously dark green leaves mid-late flower.

Pete has been using that same molasses in his recent flush. he says he sees a big difference and will probably use it throughout the entire flowering phase from now on.

I only use superthrive for clones, seedlings, and youngins. once they are in serious veg i stop using it. Everyone says it will slow your plants down to a crawl in flower.

I saw a thread about demonoid invites...you still got one floatin around for your ol' buddy skeet?

I'd be interested in hearing some of your music. I'm a musician myself. Currently i play in a blues/rock band which i love, but have been listening to and playing a lot of R&B and Soul lately.

thanks bud! good to be back.

skeet.

[headshake]

okay. here is the pic. maybe that's why the buds on two of the plants are not growing much. and two have massive buds?


-shake


pic 1-beans? or swollen calyxes?

[MonkeyBone]

Looks hermi for me! That is sad, but wait a bit before you cut it down, IMO.

[headshake]

at least the seeds should be female though right? can i just chop the beans off?

-shake

[Ilovecali]

I definetly have those on my gods gift plant that is 6 and a half weeks into flower. Are those gonna pop and seed the whole plant or will i just have a few seeds? Sorry to threadjack.

[headshake]

i think those are the seeds. i'm not sure though. this is my first grow. but seeds make sense because the bud production seems to have slowed down on these two.

-shake

[Ilovecali]

That does make sense because my plants bud production slowed down on the lower shoots (its lst'd). I wouldnt mind 3-4 gods gift seeds though :rastasmoke:

[MonkeyBone]

I'm in the same boat as you are folks! Got a female turned hermi here...she's in a closet with a full top shelf female...I don't want the hermi to pollinate my good and strong female! Log for pîcs!

[headshake]

I'm in the same boat as you are folks! Got a female turned hermi here...she's in a closet with a full top shelf female...I don't want the hermi to pollinate my good and strong female! Log for pîcs!

monkey, i tried to comment on you grow log. it kept going to the advanced screen and then the reply box and the additional options box both disappeared.

anyhow, so is that what i should do is pull off all of the male parts? will that help out? make the bud production pick back up? thanks. and i'm gonna read through your log. the ladies looked awesome!


-shake

[GoldenGraham84]

shake, i'm sorry to hear you're playing the crying game. i don't think bud production will pick back up, but yeah, i'd nick the seeds off. save for emergency, and vigilantly watch for the start of any more pollination. then, before your next run, remove every living plant from the area, and spray down EVERY surface with 1:100 water:bleach solution. let stand for a bit, then wipe dry. the water will neutralize any leftover pollen and the bleach is just cause i like the idea of disinfection. best of luck & i hope they're femmed seeds!

-GG84

[headshake]

thanks golden! i am just trying to figure out what happened. i guess the male must have popped a few sacks before he died. i don't see any nanners. is it easy to tell when the seeds are ripe?

i guess that means that i should go ahead and chop those two.

on a side note, i should be building a bucket today! i need some cat litter so i figured what the hell. why not. and i think some new nutes are in my future. i think i'm gonna go with the fox farm soil trio, and at least the cha-ching. i'm gonna try to convince my wife that i need all three of the solubles too! i found a really good price on the stuff!

i'll update with some pics in a bit. once i take all the ladies out. the other log will be getting an update too.


-shake

[headshake]

and golden, are we still gonna make a new troubleshooting form? i think all that we can do the better, seeing as stinky is gone and whatnot.....


-shake

[GoldenGraham84]

i've heard that 2-3 weeks are necessary for viable seeds to be made. never had to deal with it though, so i'm not sure. i'm sure that once they're close to done, the seed pods will start to open up to drop them.

be wary though, don't wanna lose one in the soil! maybe putting down some white paper with a slot cut for the stem to cover the soil. or maybe thats too cautious... i dunno, i'm baked. :jointsmile:

kudos on the bucket plans! i've got mine up and running, but i sure could improve it. but i really like the ease of them. a container i have to buy anyway, $12-$15 air pump, some pipe insulation i already have for my bubble cloner, and a $4 air stone. cut holes for the air tubing and the pipe insulation, fill with water, add my canna nutes (they auto pH my water), and bingo! i've made two now, and they each took about 10 minutes to throw together.

i need to lightproof the bucket and lid a little better, but i've been lazy as of late.

best of luck with everything, brother!
-GG84

[headshake]

good looking gg! i think i'm gonna chop the two with the seeds because it seems that the molasses has caused undergrowth like crazy. and the one is not looking that great up top. i've got to make room soon because the youngsters are growing like crazy. i might just have to learn from the first go round and move forward soon. decisions, decisions!?

i think i've spotted maybe like 5 beans on each of the two plants. i'm gonna inspect more thoroughly in a bit. i've got company at the moment. i'm gonna clean them up, and continue flushing with the molasses added. it seems to be doing wonders! and i'm gonna get the fox farm soil trio and hopefully add the soluble tri-pack soon.

and i guess i'm gonna have to get a bottle of the hydro grow soon too! and more lights. and some fans. it never stops!


-shake


oh, did you see the post about the troubleshooting form? somebody is gonna have to start doing stuff around here with stinky gone!

[MonkeyBone]

headhake... if you wanna post on my log, try scrolling to the right. The page is bigger than usual, I don't know why. The post box is there but you have to find it! Scroll a bit down and to the right, and you'll find what you're lookin for!

[headshake]

what's good everyone? i have a few major reportings. the two plants with seeds got chopped! ok, the one that became riddled with seeds and 1/3 of the one that had a few.

the other two ladies look fine (minus the burn on the big one). she has a bud on her that i can't fit my hand around!

i put the other 2/3 of the chopped lady back into flower. just to see what happens. it seems that they loved the molasses! there was tons of new pistils all over the girls.

i'm hoping the others are ready soon. the youngsters are getting restless!


-shake


pic 1- the chopped lady (the other is completely chopped)

pic 2- what's left

pic 3- cuttings

pic 4- the bounty

pic 5- the plant that totally got chopped

[headshake]

i forgot to mention that i don't have a scale so i didn't get to weigh it yet. i hope to get one tomorrow.

i have it in brown paper bags under the stove right now. think that will suffice? they weren't really hangible. i'm sure that was because the way i cut them. live and learn.


-shake

pic 1- the 1/3 top of a lady

[MonkeyBone]

How much do you think you got there? And on my log, check the hermi pics I posted...tell me watcha think!

[headshake]

i have no idea. but i'm thinking it might dry out to 3/4 to 1 ounce. just a guess, and that's a non-educated one. this is my first time chopping up a lady so. *crosses fingers*

i'll check out the log and try to comment again.


-shake

[MonkeyBone]

i'll check out the log and try to comment again.
-shake


Try scrolling to the right a bit when you are on the reply page.

[Lit Up]

You know what's funny Head? I really like your spoon rest on your stove, I have one also but it is an ear of corn. I thought that's great since they pair up with our regions. Nice haul by the way.:thumbsup:

[headshake]

lmao at spoon rests! that's funny as hell! there should be a sub-forum about regional spoon rests!

thanks about the haul. there will be more! the other ladies are looking fine and have huge buds!

-shake

[Italiano715]

How are them things looking shake? Have they shrunk quite a bit?

[headshake]

How are them things looking shake? Have they shrunk quite a bit?

they did shrink down pretty good italiano. i'll be updating the logs today sometime. i started a new job and it's kicking my ass!

sorry for the delays my good people.


-shake

[MonkeyBone]

what's your new job? Working in an hydro store? :D

[headshake]

i wish monkey! i am thinking about opening one up though! i do wood and tile floors. install, refinish etc. and i've been putting in 12-15 hour days.....and i just turned 30.....so everything seems to be working against me!

-shake

[MonkeyBone]

30, still young! Plenty of time to open up your own hydrogear store. And some greenhouse furniture!

The HeadShake's HydroGreen store!

[zeitgeist]

Been keeping up with the grow and gotta say its awesome!!!:thumbsup:
I didnt know that corn would turn out that beautiful.

Im using corn for my grow also and this is what it looks like so far.

[farredeyed]

What up shake! good to see you survived your 30 days and the babies survived the baby sitting! I thought this place died... hey I have some pics of my spectragraph program i was going to post the day this site dissapeared, I get them up in my crackpot thread. (it still isnt ready for release but I've got all the api's i need and the framework is complete, go figure :) )

[GoldenGraham84]

BUMP

shake, friend, you're working too hard! come back and let us know you're still alive!

hope all is well and safe
-GG84

[headshake]

Been keeping up with the grow and gotta say its awesome!!!:thumbsup:
I didnt know that corn would turn out that beautiful.

Im using corn for my grow also and this is what it looks like so far.

thank you! glad to see a healthy little plant there. keep up the good work!


What up shake! good to see you survived your 30 days and the babies survived the baby sitting! I thought this place died... hey I have some pics of my spectragraph program i was going to post the day this site dissapeared, I get them up in my crackpot thread. (it still isnt ready for release but I've got all the api's i need and the framework is complete, go figure :) )

thanks farred! i'll be checking out the work. keep it up.


BUMP

shake, friend, you're working too hard! come back and let us know you're still alive!

hope all is well and safe
-GG84

golden, all is well. and i was working way too much. like 70 hours a week and not seeing my wife. i'll update the other log with all of the mis-adventures that have taken place. thanks for the kind words.

i guess this log should be considered closed for all intents and purposes. it brings a tear to my eye saying that. i remember when i started this little "experiment". i had everything going against me...including the wife. now she would rather me be a hotriculture/botany expert full time than work likea mad man! now that is love! so i guess frank will be getting an upgrade soon! i have a very big cardboard box sitting in the corner of my living room! i'm also starting some magical pizza toppings. that should be fun.


-shake

[Shovelhandle]

Keep on planting, shake. :thumbsup:

[MonkeyBone]

Hope you're making some $$$! On my side, I don't make a lot of $$$ but
I got lost of free time! Workin' 40h/week, always 2½ days week-ends. Lost of time to sit in front of my plants, talking to them.

And sometimes, I sit on the floor in the closet, closing the door, and staring at them like, 30 minutes or so. I got my dose of oxygen, and they got their dose of CO2!!

But I'm a crazy Monkey...

Wishing you a lot of big and beautiful plants dude!!!

Healthy plants!!!

:thumbsup:

[Lit Up]

^Funny how time flies when your just staring at them girls, eh?

[MonkeyBone]

They grow right in front of your eyes!!!

[headshake]

i have put 12 in flower (a different log) and plan on starting another batch in about a week. and then i plan on upgrading for a perpetual harvest!

-shake

[MonkeyBone]

Perpetual everything!

[BlewBerry]

This is just the cutest little set up I have seen in a while...we all have to start somewhere. :stoned: