White Widow and Hindu Kush grow with Amazon system

[Puffzter]

Hello.
With the White Widow coco grow finished and drying it is now time to start my next project.
This time I will grow using an aeroponics system called Nutriculture Amazon.
It will be a 16 plant SoG in my Darkroom 1*1m tent.
Hesi nutes
600W HPS in cooltube
280 kubic metre/hour exhaust fan sucking charcoal scrubbed air out.
2 fans moving the air around in the tent
Passive intake.

I have put 8 WW clones and 8 Hindu Kush clones in the system. The clones are not super strong and I know a few might not make it, I tried a new way to clone and it haven't gone perfect but we'll see how it goes.

The 16 plants are as of now in the system and under the HPS after having stood 2 weeks under a 125W LE.
They are getting low dose veg nutes and full dose rootcomplex for now until I see healthy roots.

Schematic pic of the Amazon system:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/WW%20HK%20autumn%202008/ff8e00c5.jpg

Picture from my tent:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/WW%20HK%20autumn%202008/DSCI0663.jpg

So here we are, new start.
I will use this grow as a learning experience and don't expect too much yet. The clones are not very strong and I am new to aeroponics but I have read up a lot and am in contact with some european growers using the same system so I hope the clones that develop healthy roots will make it through well.

Also another thing. I only had 2 Hindu Kush seeds and one of them showed sex a long time ago and was male. The one that is left I did a mother from but still 4 weeks later I am not 100% it is female so I am playing the odds here. It should be female but it is not confirmed yet.

I grow for the fun of it so I don't mind that much if I run into problem and just try to learn from it and hope I come out a better grower in the other end.

Welcome to my new log guys.

Puffzter

[hydrocannabis]

looks great so far. cant wate to see how this turns out.

[Puffzter]

This is gonna be a fun one for sure.
One of the biggest problems with handwatering as I did last grow was the extreme workload, sure only 5 plants but to haul water every 12-14 hours for 10 weeks (without a missed day ever) in a wheelchair was a bit tough.

There are other problems with this natrually like keeping pH on an even level it jumps around all the time and the biggest problem will be to keep the reservoar temperature low enough for healthy roots.
The Amazon system is very nice but it is made of black plastic which sucks a bit. I should buy some more mylar to cover it in.
I know many growers had problems with that and solved it with mylar or mounted cooling fans in the reservoar (or both).
Still, I can leave my home for a few days this time around. :D

Puffzter

[InspectahEX]

Hey Puff nice to see you using aeroponics, if you have any questions Ill try to help you out, I actually throw ice in my reservoir now and then to keep the temperatures cool, that seems to work without the jerking the ph around too bad, also make sure no light is getting to your reservoir AT ALL, the smallest light leaks can lead to algae. Also as your roots get bigger you may want to lower reservoir level a little bit to give roots more room in the air, you dont want all the roots submerged all the time, u want them in air getting sprayed. Humidity may also be a problem because of your reservoir and the sprays going so watch for that. You system is black, that will block light really good from getting into your reservoir but it will probably get hot. Also make sure your water pump is secure so it doesnt slip away and cause your sprinklers to go dry, that happened to me before. Other then that, they say to flush your reservoir often, i flush mine every 2 weeks about, and I'll add fresh water and nutes. If the inside of your reservoir gets feels slippery anywhere then you might be developing algae, you may want to scrub out your reservoir every time you flush it.

[InspectahEX]

I think youre going to love aeroponics, most important is keep an eye on your water, you want to monitor your res water frequently. Other then that get ready for rapid growth and super thriving plants.

[Puffzter]

Thanks man, appreciate it. :)

The roots can never reach the water by the way. The root chambre and the water reservoir are devided by a wall. The floor in the rootchambre drains into the reservoir at it's lowest point.
I've seen people using ice also and I will as well but that will be a way to get temps down if they are way too high as it is such a temporary fix. I'll modify my growroom or my system until I have a stable solution concerning that.
The waterpump is anchored to the floor of the reservoir chambre so it can never move. It is pressed down by the solid pipes.

I read quite a lot of Amazon logs and most of the guys have only actually changed the water once, when they shift to 12/12 or one time in the middle of bloom. I was thinking every 2-3 weeks or if I get into trouble.

No light leaks by the way, I held up the lid with the plants in it to the HPS and cant see a beam of light get through anywhere. :D

So far so good.

[daihashi]

I'll be watching this log. There are a few benefits of doing hydro/aeroponics that I would like to take advantage of; but I'm worried about some things that a medium will take care of for you. Such as the temperature of the root area; natural buffering, and PH control.

I'm wary of hydro mostly because of the level of detail you have to pay attention to your resevoir. Granted probably checking the res once a day would be enough; but I'd be worried I'd screw something up.

In either case I'm going to stay tuned to see how well it turns out. If it looks like it's going well then I may bite the bullet. It would be nice to get rid of the cost of a substrate. In addition to being able to accurately tell how much your plants are eating (PPM in res) and the accelerated growth involved in hydro.

Subscribed. :thumbsup:

[InspectahEX]

I added ice to my resrvoir almost a week ago and the water has been cool ever since. I think ill throw a bunch of ice in whenever it gets warm. And when it comes to hydro/aero, checking your water is really simple. If you think your gonna have problems all you have to do is add regular water. When you know what your doing and begin trusting yourself you can add nutes and all that.

[Puffzter]

Oh.
Well I'll try here as well later on then.
Now I first have the problem of a few plants not rooting properly while most grow roots at an insane rate.
I knew a few clones were weak but put them into the system anyway to see what happened.
If I don't see change very soon I'll make a few more clones to fill up the system with. I won't switch 12/12 until I have 16 solid plants to grow.

Puffzter

[Puffzter]

Ok, I made some clones the good old way to cover for the ones that don't seem to root. I went a bit experemential on the last clone and lost a few it seems.

7 White Widow clones, 4 Hindu Kush Clones and 2 Bonzai mothers:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/WW%20HK%20autumn%202008/DSCI0671.jpg

Amazon 8 WWs and 8 HKs:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/WW%20HK%20autumn%202008/DSCI0672.jpg

Inside Amazon:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/WW%20HK%20autumn%202008/DSCI0674.jpg

As soon as I have 16 good clones in the system rooted, healthy and about 8-10 inches tall I am switching to 12/12.

Puffzter

[Shovelhandle]

Great genetics and looks like a fine set up too. :thumbsup:

[krazyKat]

I have been looking at the closet like yours. New to growing inside. Thinking of buying a supercloset made in San Fracisco, CA. I love to grow organic, but I have been ripped off so I am thinking of purchasing a grow closet. Does anyone have any suggestions?

[daihashi]

That looks so easy!!

So easy even a caveman couuld do it!!! LOL.. I am pretty much hooked on this thread. Keeping a close eye on it.

Question: Can you move the plants around from spot to spot.. IE: rotate them around so they all get their fair share of the most intense light? It looks like once their in their spot and rooted.. that is pretty much it. No moving around after that.

[daihashi]

Also do you anticipate having problems as far as root space is concerned? The system looks a little small for 16 plants... I've never flowered from clone and definitely never done aeroponics so I'm not sure but to me the root space looks minimal.

I guess I'll find out if I stay tuned all the way through to your harvest date. I'd like to run a 16 plant setup also if it works well for you.

[Puffzter]

krayKat:
A growtent is a really easy way to get a grow room in which you can direct airflow as you please etc so it's money well spent. Out of the ones I have used nothing matches the Secret Jardin Darkroom tents by the way. Mylar coated, sturdy and easy accessible.
Air can be directed in numerous ways as well.

Daihashi:
Hehe, ye seems like an easy ride but I am sure I will run into a few bumps.
The space for roots is no problems, and 16 clone plants easilly fits in this system. There is a 32 plant version even and I have seen people fill them.
The worst mess I ever saw however was an english grower who grew 16 plants in an Amazon 16 from seeds. He vegged to 14 inches lol. It was a damn mess all of it but he made it to harvest.
Plants can be turned and changed between positions with no problems. With a lot of rootmass a lot of care natrually has to be taken but I read that it is done.

If you are interested to check out the results some growers have gotten with this system there are quite a few logs on forms like UK420.com .
I haven't seen any american logs using the Amazon so maybe they are not sold on that side of the pond yet.

Puffzter

[daihashi]

Daihashi:
Hehe, ye seems like an easy ride but I am sure I will run into a few bumps.
The space for roots is no problems, and 16 clone plants easilly fits in this system. There is a 32 plant version even and I have seen people fill them.
The worst mess I ever saw however was an english grower who grew 16 plants in an Amazon 16 from seeds. He vegged to 14 inches lol. It was a damn mess all of it but he made it to harvest.
Plants can be turned and changed between positions with no problems. With a lot of rootmass a lot of care natrually has to be taken but I read that it is done.

If you are interested to check out the results some growers have gotten with this system there are quite a few logs on forms like UK420.com .
I haven't seen any american logs using the Amazon so maybe they are not sold on that side of the pond yet.

Puffzter

Yeah; all the sites I saw that are selling it are from the UK; which is a shame because it looks like a killer system but I'd hate to have to deal with over seas shipping. Maybe our neighbors to the north (canada) has the Amazon.

Or if I'm lucky by the time you finish your log it will be available in America! :hippy:

[hatecable]

That looks like a nice neat little system. I bet you could reproduce it if your a bit of a jack of all trades and diy'er. Its something I definately wouldnt mind trying to make if I could get some more details of function or even a good cut away photo. Lookin forward to this one Puff. You and me are kinda in the same boat as far as growing. Im going to have plenty from this first grow for a long time, but its addictingly fun to try different ways so I'll be growing again as soon as I can. I just wish I could go ahead and get another strain to try. Im still pretty nervous about ordering seeds online.

[Puffzter]

Just order those seeds man. The risk is minimal. Just don't order them to the adress where you have your grow op running. ;)
I order my seeds straight to my home adress but in sweden seeds are perfectly legal, only the above ground parts of the cannabis plants are illegal here. :)

About the system it is a 14-17 gallon tank on which the root/sprinkler chambre is standing. There are 4 sprinklers in that chambre. The lid come in 8-16-32 plant versions. That's pretty much it. The first post in this thread has a cut away picture.
It sells for about US$320 in europe.

Puffzter

[danish]

Looks good puff.

About ordering seeds. Seeds is legit in almost every country on the globe, its the germination and cultivation of the seeds which is illegal.

If nothing else just buy a baggie from the most devious drugdealer you can find and its almost certain to contain seeds.????

Anyways... Puff glad to see you got space... i have mine going till its done and then im waiting for a new appartment before i can get setup again :( so im enjoying the show you put up for me ...

[Puffzter]

Looks like I am fucked.
My Hindu Kush is no Hindu Kush, that I am damn sure of. I think it is industrial grade hemp to be honest.
These seeds were ordered in bulk by a guy to try out a really cheap seedbank and we knew it might be a bbit too good to be true but the seeds were visibly very different from eachother, we ordered Jack Herer and Hindu Kush, so we calmed down a bit after that.
I've had my suspicions for a while but now I am sure it is not HK, what it is I don't know though but I would be surprised if its any good and in the end I don't wanna grow even the best weed in the world if I don't know what it is.
Fuck! I put months into making a bonzai mother and clone and shit. I'll replace as many of the HKs as I can whith WW clones I have going but I wont be able to replace them all.
This is where they are from. MARIJUANA SEEDS, 20 $20, Ã?£10 €12 FEMINIZED $30 Ã?£15 €18 (http://www.cannabisseeds.com/) Still up and running and it does look a bit too good even now. I'll stick with Dutch Passion in the future, them I know I can trust. Money doesn't matter really but all time to find out something like this.

A Hindu Kush has short fat leaves just like the true indica it is but these are just wrong. It sets these multiple VERY long thin leaves and stretches very fast up even in very much light. It's either a scam or they mixed up the order and I am in fact growing Jack Herer. Never the less I will cut back on as many HKs as I can cover with WW clones as soon as they are rooted.

False Hindu Kush say smiile:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/WW%20HK%20autumn%202008/43048752.jpg

Roots. Most are rooting even the ones I was sure wouldn't make it. Still a couple though.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/WW%20HK%20autumn%202008/DSCI0685.jpg

Puffzter

[daihashi]

tough break man. Those definitely look very sativa influenced. Have you tried contacting the seed bank to see if maybe they sent you all 1 strain instead of 2 like you asked?

Or maybe the guy who did the bulk buy got his seeds mixed up?

I wouldn't toss them out. I would investigate a little first to see if maybe somehow you could still determine the strain through some social networking. :hippy:

[Puffzter]

I will save one or two to grow depending on how many WW clones I can get to replace them fast.
I do not wanna grow shit that I am not 100% sure what it is. That gives me nothing.
This truly sucks.

Puffzter

[SnSstealth]

They possibly could be JH, but I would have to see more pics, and they look a lil too light green to be JH. Sorry for your luck with these guys man....sucks
whiskeytango

[PlainJane]

That does suck. Dodgy bastards.

I'm glad you've got a good amount of white widow "back up" under these circumstances.

[wolfgar]

Hey Puff, I have followed your grow logs with interest. I hope your new hydro does even better than the last ,it was an impressive yield. Good luck and i hope the unknown strain isnt hemp! :)

[daihashi]

I know it's only been 4 days but any updates? I've decided I probably will be going hydro or aeroponics next grow. Reason being is I also want to move to a 16 plant setup and currently mixing nutes and feeding 7 plants is a pain even for someone not in a wheelchair.

I think I'm going to follow your path and turn to the darkside for my next grow.

:thumbsup:

[Puffzter]

I replaced all but 3 of the unknown ones with white widow clones now.
It does not feel very fun to grow unknown strains even if the weed turn out just fine. But out of curiosity I will at least find out if it's dope or not.

Puffzter

[Puffzter]

Ye it is easier that's for sure. Now I check the water and adjust now and then. Refill some water like once a week or so and that's about it when it comes to physical labour at least.

As a handwater coco grower you are bound to your home pretty much and now it's nice to be able to leave home for a day or three without having to worry to much.

Puffzter

[wolfgar]

ok puff now im starting to think something bad happened
1 week no update :(

[Puffzter]

Been sick like hell with the flu here and when not I do after all have 10 ounces of weed in my appartment since last harvest so I have indulged a bit as well :rastasmoke:

Amazon grow is going quite well. I am still waiting for a bit better rootsystem on a few plants, when that is cool I will switch 12/12 asap and start updating here as I usually do.
Now I am off to a Halloween party, 3 1g spliffs and 12 beers with me. Should be ok for me + to make some new friends lol.

Later

:D

[Ryder666]

Hey, whats happening?

Long time, no se :(

[Puffzter]

Well I have been having some serious problems getting clones to root in small enough RW cubes to fit the super small pots in the amazon and because of that I haven't switched 12/12 yet.

The ones that did root well early on are getting quite big already so I will have to switch to bloom very soon even if all 16 slots in the system are not occupied by rooted plants. :(

Puffzter

[GraSSy12]

just read all your logs and i have to say nice work lookin forward to seeing how they turn out. never have seen aeroponics at work. good luck

[Ryder666]

Okey, well thats no good news.. Hope you fix it!

I was gonna ask you what pH value you have in the water in your hydro system?

I've read that you had 5.8 i your last Coco grow, why so high?
I always read that 5.2 - 5.5 i recommended...?!

[SimonMakus]

Ryder - Nope, 5.5 - 6.1 is the range with 5.8 being perfect for optimum uptake in hydro mediums. I'm guessing he's using the same pH in his new aero system.

Puff - Great job, man! I just took a read through your coco log... Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

[redaaron]

subscribed! looks good!

[Puffzter]

Yes I keep 5.8 or as close to it as I can because it is pretty much in the middle of the optimal range.
If I have a period when I push really hard on nutes for some reason I might even go up a tad.

Now,
I am having problems with a few things with this grow.

The biggest problem is that it is REALLY hard to clone consistantly into small enough cubes to fit the system. If anyone has any ideas about how to solve this I will keep you red eyed around the clock whenever you get to Stockholm. ;)

I have tried a few ways to clone but I can't seem to get consistant results in small enough cubes.

The other problem being keeping the temperature down in the root chambre but that I can solve quite easilly for next grow and I think that problem is gone as soon as I have an even and dense canopy shading the actual top of the Amazon system.

The plants I have well rooted are very healthy but I am reluctant to switch to 12/12 until I have a decent number rooted.

Puffzter

[GraSSy12]

ok you may have done this already but i always use rockwool in your case a 1inch square would do? in a mini greenhouse im sure you can get theme at most garden stores and cloneX G rooting agent 1\4 strenth flowering nutes
as needed you are skilled so you should figure out how much (not being a smart ass at all) btw i probably wont ever be in sweeden but just hope i can help.

[Puffzter]

Yeah I have done like that. I just don't get more than about 60% to root.
I think it's because the clones can only be stuck about an inch into the cubes as they are so small.
Before when I cloned directly into coco or into big cubes I never had any problems.

Guess the best thing to do would be to buy a good cloning machine tbh.
I clone in trays now.

Puffzter

[Ryder666]

Hi Puff!
I don't know how to PM you here, so I sent one on swecan.org
Just so you know... :)

Cheers

[trinitybound]

I use a cloning techniq where you lightly shave off a strip of outer skin on two sides of the base of the stem, that will make the roots explode in every direction. It doesn't take much. Sometimes I even split the stem a very little bit and then scrape the sides.

I read the techniq in a book, it even works for tomatos.

[trinitybound]

I just noticed your new thread tonight and am looking forward to following along. Subscribed :thumbsup:

[Puffzter]

Ok so here we are.

I had to switch to 12/12 yesterday since some plants ae getting too big.

The main problem I am having is to get clones to root properly. I never had problems with this until I started to use such small RW cubes as I have to use for the amazom system.

So I am switching even though only 8 of 16 slots in the system are occupied by rooted plants.
On top of that 3 slots are Hindu Kush plants that are not hindu kush. I either got scammed or my seeds got mixed up because this is either a heavy sativa or industrial grade hemp. Time will tell.
I am flowering 5 WW clones and 3 don't know what.
This grow will hence not be a huge success that I already know but I will use the time to try to figure out how to clone best way to feed the Amazon system with 16 healthy clones once this grow is ready.

1st day 12/12 was yesterday.
Pics will come.


Puff

[Puffzter]

Hi guys, been a while.

I just ended up running a testrun with the amazon while I perfected a way to effectivelly clone into 5 inch pots.
This was the reason I ended up not going very serious with this run in the end. I ended up just saving one white widow plant and that one will be harvested tomorrow or the day after.

The way to go clone wise, after trying some different ways, is mediumless aeroponics.
I now use an aeroponic 20 plant cloner and it's da shit. It is extremelly effective, has a dome with variable opening and is very compact and quiet.
I tried to use it for cloning in coco, in RW and in dirt plugs but mediumless is best.

One problem I noticed though. Plants are extremelly sensitive for pH during the rooting days. MUCH more so that later on. Also the machine needs everyday setting of pH since water evaporates quite fast in an aeroponic system and saltlevels in the remaining water quickly changes the pH. With pH outside of 5.2-6.2 roots grow fine. Outside of that it seems to stop directly.
That might be good to know for someone, sure was for me when I noticed it. pH meter is a must for this kind of cloning.

Now, I was contacted by another grower not too far away that is about to start up and we ended up changing some clones so now I have K2 as well.
Looks like I'm gonna flower 3 K2's together with 13 White Widow in the run I am setting up for now but final numbers is not set yet.

I will clone all 3 K2's because they all 3 come from different plants. That will make it possible for me to choose which one will mother my K2's in the future a bit later when I know more about the genetics in them and how they grow and put on buds.

I'm gonna use this Log for the upcoming grow as is it really the first serious grow in the amazon system.
I have learned a lot from running this testrun of which a few things are really important.

Cannabis wants it's roots cool. As soon as the temperature goes above 19 deg Celsius they start going brown and shut down from rot. To keep the temperature this low with a black plastic system and a 600W light above is very hard and it took me weeks to solve. I have a fan designated to take cold fresh air from the intake of the tent straight down into the reservoir now and that has solved it, in the summer I'm gonna have to come up with something better though I think. I also bought a big sheet of mylar that will be glued all over the top of the system prior to the start of this grow.

The other lesson I've learned is that pH is much more important and needs constant attention. Basically it needs to be set every other day or so. It's easilly done though so no problems.

So, wish me luck.
I am quite sure I wont disappoint you this time. I have done my homework and real life testing now and this should work out really nicelly.

Pics to come.

Puffzter

[trinitybound]

Sounds like you have things worked out, looking forward to the next log.
Are the widow clones from the same strain that you did before? It's always nice to run a strain that you know what to expect from it, makes the grow much easier. It will be interesting to see how the aero does compared to coco. happy growing

[Puffzter]

Ok here we go with pics.First one is clones in the propagator. Top to the left is a new one since yesterday so obviously not rooted, The other three in plugs on the left are my K2's and all the rest are White Widows. Picture natrually bad as usual but you get the idea.http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0747.jpgThe next one is my Bonzai mother after a rough cloning session.http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0740.jpgThis one is the same mother standing at the exact same angle, recovered and ready to go again. Have some friends waiting for clones :Phttp://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0748.jpg Last is part of my stash. My White Widow is not present on the picture so about an ounce of widow should be added.http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0742.jpgSince I guess some are interested in what they are looking at:The weed is Orange Haze.The big pressed slob is Maroccan Brick hash. That's what about 80% of all cannabis that is smoked in certainly nothern Europe. It's quite hard, relativelly well tasting but not very potent. It's one class above street standard so not super. The smaller piece to the right of the big one is Zero Zero wich is a soft brown Maroccan hash. Quite potent and very nice tasting. Still this is relativelly easy to get with connections. Now to the real rarities.The pieces looking like small eggs are Maroccan Caramello and this is damn damn good. Got a harsh taste to it and is as soft as a rubber pencil erasor (don't know the actuyal name for those) it is quite hard down, about like an 80-90% indica. Very potent. .2 grams is enough for a pretty long session with your ass planted in a sofa even with high tolerance. I love the effect of this one but the taste is as I said a bit harsh.The last one though, this is the price.Kashmir. This shit is certainly around 40% THC. Hold it in your hand for 30 seconds and it is really really soft but still possible to crumble for some reason so it is easy to prepare. Handrubbed hash is normaly very hard to crumble since it is like clay but not this. The effect is staggering. When we tested it the first time we were 3 ppl of which 2 has cracy tolerance for normal brick hash. I mean these guys can down 5g in an evening of standard. We rolled a .3g sliff and those two were blitzed for 1½h and I was gone totally for 2. About 80% sativa high strangelly enough. It is very uplifting but drop dead strong. I bring it out on special occasions or for good friends now and then. Cheers.Now I am going to pick up some stuff at the hydro store, I hope you enjoyed the pictures.Puffzter

[Puffzter]

Ok now I have put in some serious work.

I harvested the clone I flowered and I have to say I am surprised.
The plant was not in good shape with some rot in the roots because I didn't solve the temperature issues I had until half way through.
Still it yeilded very well and extremelly resinous, even the stems were sticky as hell. Over 8 ounces wet. Last time I lost between a fith and a forth of the weight in drying/curing so its pretty respectable for a clone in bad shape and in a 2inch pot!
This time around the system is running full, 16 clones.

After that I took the Amazon apart and cleaned it out, cleaned the growtent and put the system back in with one modification.
I covered the top in mylar. Black plastic 15 inches below a 600W HPS does make it a bit hard to keep the temperature down in the root chambre. It should be a bit easier now when most of that light is reflected instead of transformed into heat.

The clones have been rooted with collars only, totally mediumless in an aeroponic propagator.
I put some leca in all of the 2 inch pots and covered the top with coco and a collar of mylar to stop light reaching the roots. Then they got transfered to the Amazon and will be kept under 18/6 until they reach about 10 inches then I flip to 12/12.

The goals with this run are a few.
1. Keep a steady temperature of 17-19 degrees Celsius in the rootchambre through out.
2. Be on top of the pH day by day. I've been having serious problems with pH in both the propagator and Amazon up until a few weeks ago but that have tought me just where the box is for aeroponic growing. 4.9-6.0. Outside of that it just shuts down.
3. Clone all 3 K2's and save those clones until I know how the 3 plants in flower are doing and then choosing a mother to make a bonzai out of.
4. Harvest at least 400g but the target is 500. About 18 ounces.

I am flowering 13 White Widow and 3 K2.

I'll make a new post with the pictures from tonight, enjoy.

Puffzter

[Puffzter]

So here are the pictures from tonight.

Harvested clone together with a 68 liq. ounce Coke bottle.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0749.jpg

Top of Amazon covered in mylar.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0751.jpg

Grow tent in walk in closet cleaned out.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0752.jpg

Water reservoir for Amazon cleaned and put in place and filled up.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0754.jpg

Root chambre and sprinklers remounted.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0755.jpg

Top back on. Decent pic of my flowering setup. Cooltube 600W. Air moistener. Inline fan for ventillation and 2 additional fans for keeping the air moing as I want inside the room.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0758.jpg

Clones put into the system. The WWs have had a few days with bouncing pH during rooting and that shows but they are all strong as far as I can tell. Clear white roots and a few points to grow from on each of them. Note my cloning/mother area on the roght side.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0759.jpg

My secret garden in my secret closet :D
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0760.jpg

Thats it. All up and running now. Tomorrow I will clone my mother again and fill up the propagator for back up clones and also for a friens who is soon starting a SoG of his own.

Puffzter

[KingKronic420]

great job Puff!

so how was the smoke on the unknown strains?

good luck with the next run bro. im watching.

[Puffzter]

great job Puff!

so how was the smoke on the unknown strains?

good luck with the next run bro. im watching.


Well the unknown was industrial grade hemp so all slaughtered.
Watch out for some seedbanks out there. ;)

The one I harvested was a White Widow clone and that is sweet smoke m8. Still got some left from my last harvest of same WW and in fact a lit joint of it right here as I type. :pimp:

Thanks for the good luck, I am quite sure this grow will be a nice one. Everything I can think of has been checked and tested the last 2 months so if I screw up now it's either force majeur or me loosing it totally.
I mean I just got what's gonna end up with 1½ ounce of a crappy half dead clone with root rot.
With the problems I had with that one taken care of it's gonna be a blast growing 16 in the same system. I just love seeing them grow.

This hobby rocks!

Puffzter
:rastasmoke:

[Puffzter]

Hi again.

It's looking pretty fine here now. All White Widows are develeping roots like mad, white as snow, and have started to veg.

The K2's became a bit of a problem though. Since I got them from a friend and he clones into dirtplugs that's what I got them in and those plugs fitted nicelly in my 2inch pots so I just put them in. However, having drenched dirt around the stems of the plants all the time in the aero system didn't make them very happy so I cut took them out, cut the fabric holding the plugs togethere and rinsed the dirt from the roots loosing some root tips but not too much. Then I put them back planted like the Widows, in leca only. Just use some coco on the top to block some light from reaching the roots.

All in all it looks great though and I am very excited over this grow.
20 clones are in the cloner as well so in 10-15 days I have a new batch and worst case I replace with one of them if the K2 or any other plant wont make it, would be a pity though to get one plant in out of sync with the others. It will have a hard time fighting for light by then.

Puffzter

[Puffzter]

Update with a few pics.

The K2's are in trouble. I did loose some root tips when I took them out of the jiffies (dirt plugs) but there were plenty still. They seem to have been stunned but I hope they will bounce back the coming days or they are toast.

For the rest it's going perfectly like I planned, roots developing fast, plans starting to veg etc.
I am running sprinklers 24/7 after having talked with a really good (and nice) grower who also use Amazon systems.
Humidifier is keeping air about 30-35%.

My motherplant has bounced back from the 36 clones I have been taken from it the last 4 weeks. Not bad for a bonzai I have to say. The clones in the cloner is about to root, a friend is gonna pick them up on thursday but I will keep a few as back up until I know I have 16 healthy plants in the Amazon.

That's it for now.

K2's are the 3 plants on the back left. Not very happy atm.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0770.jpg

Roots, very visible that the K2's are in trouble from under here.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0771.jpg

Mom, clone area
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0768.jpg

Puffzter

[Shovelhandle]

does that Amazon just start clones or does it go the distance, Puffzter? :hippy:

[Puffzter]

does that Amazon just start clones or does it go the distance, Puffzter? :hippy:

Hey Shov :)

No it goes the distance, its a flowering system. Just harvested 238g wet (45g dried) from one pH damaged clone with root rot in the system in a 2" pot. :P It was a testrun checking for the limits in temperatures and pH for the roots in a system like this.

It's quite commonly used in the UK but more and more in rest of Europe, I am from Sweden but ordered the system from UK after having seen a lot of logs poping up using them on European forums. It fits perfectly in my tent also but I did have problems in the first run. Roots need to be cool, pH bounces around a lot also before you learn to keep it steady. Now I know all this and therefor I have big hopes for this.

The 3 clones you see on the pictures that havent rooted were rooted a few days ago but I got them from a friend and in jiffies (soil plugs) and that was no good in an aero system since the stem was constantly in contact with wet soil so I had to try to get them out of the jiffies but that cost some root tips and they still haven't bounced back from that.
If they don't very soon I will replace them with WW clones, I have 20 mor rooting as we speak in my aero cloner.
You can see that on one of the pictures above.

[Puffzter]

So, 4 plants isolated which will have to be changed.
3 K2s and that's a shame. They did not bounce back from being cut out of the jiffys. I thought that wouldn't be a problem at all. One WW also just started growing out of the blue, it started developing a healthy rootsystem and then stopped dead in it's tracks.
But I have clones ready to put in their place any day now so should be ok. Made a bit of an arena though. Put all 4 dieing plants in the middle and that's where the new clones will be, Should make for best light distribution for my situation.

Here you go.
Vegg
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0779.jpg

Roots
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0780.jpg

Puffzter

[Puffzter]

Plants are coming along nicelly and all that made it are vegging except one. It has a healthy white rootsystem but still keep growing seedling leaves rather than real, big vegg leaves like its sisters. All plants are from same motherplant.

Anyway, some rootporn. The plants in the middle are getting replaced as I get rooted clones to put in there. 2 to go.

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0787.jpg

Puffzter

[Puffzter]

Last day vegg today.Got some new clones in at least but now I have to flip.Gonna be interesting to see how barely vegged clones are gonna compare to prevegged plants. Anyway, the biggest ones are closing in on 16 inches and look like beautiful plants. Others are not as vigourus but are gonna make it fine. This time it's all about getting through with stable pH and temperature at the roots. Normally I keep these numbers between 5.4-5.8 and temperature for the roots between 18-21 Celsius. (about normal roomtemperature)I also got in contact with another Swedish grower and got a lovelly Nirvana Papaya with proven genetics from him that is now a few hours under the HPS/day on it's way to become my second Bonzai mom.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0788.jpg
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0789.jpg

So tomorrow is day one 12/12.Puffzter

[liang29032]

Did You receive my information sent to you??????????

[Puffzter]

Yes I saw it and there has to be easier ways for you to buy weed than trying to order it from Sweden man. In whatever case, find another Swede.

About the OP:
Plants are in their 2nd day of 12/12 now and looking fine.
I did fuck up slightly and left the sprinklers off for 90 minutes once a few days back and that did cause some mild root rot but the plants look normal and keep vegging so I'm not too worried about that at this point.
I am keeping a very close eye on all numbers concerning the enviroment this time around and it's keeping quite steady at:

Temperature: 27 deg Celsius (81F)
Root temperature: 19 deg Celsius (66F)
Humidity: 44%
pH: 5.5-5.8
ppm: 1000

Today I will change the water in the Amazon after lights on at 3pm Swedish time. Then I will start nuking them with flowering nutes at around 100% och the Hesi hydro Schedule. That will give me around 1200 ppm.

I will then do what I did in my coco-grow and up the ppm week by week until week 6 reaching about 1600-1800 ppm and after that slow it a bit again during week 7 and 8. I'll flush last 2-3 day, an aero doesn't need a long flush.

Harvest seems consistantly to be day 63 or very close to it for my genetics and enviroment.

Puffzter

[wannabreeder]

I'll flush last 2-3 day, an aero doesn't need a long flush.

Wow, I did not know that! It seems right, though. But is 2-3 days enough for the plant to dispose (or use might be a better word) all the nutrients it's been fed?

[Shovelhandle]

that's a darn handy grow basin, Bub! Very space efficient then.

[Puffzter]

Wow, I did not know that! It seems right, though. But is 2-3 days enough for the plant to dispose (or use might be a better word) all the nutrients it's been fed?
Yes they are fine after 3 days. In an aero 100% of the nute uptake stops the very second the water is changed and plants don't store nutes. In their normal enviroment the storage is the medium in which nute levels are relative constant so they don't need nor have capacity to store up on stuff like that for much more than a short period of time.
You can see leaves starting to loose its color in 12 hours in an aero if you stave them. Coco and even more so soil needs to be flushed pure of nutes or as clear as possible before you actualy start starving the plants but you will bever be able to get them as "clean" as in a mediumless hudro/aero grow.


that's a darn handy grow basin, Bub! Very space efficient then.

Yes the Amazon is an amazing system but needs a few tweaks mainly to keep the roots cool enough.
Its about 30*30 inches and takes 4, 8, 16 or 32 plants depending on what lid you buy it with. I grow with a 16 plant lid.
Price is about US$250 so very cheap as well.
There is a double lid version measuring about 60*30 inches also.

Puffzter

[wannabreeder]

Yes they are fine after 3 days. In an aero 100% of the nute uptake stops the very second the water is changed and plants don't store nutes. In their normal enviroment the storage is the medium in which nute levels are relative constant so they don't need nor have capacity to store up on stuff like that for much more than a short period of time.
You can see leaves starting to loose its color in 12 hours in an aero if you stave them. Coco and even more so soil needs to be flushed pure of nutes or as clear as possible before you actualy start starving the plants but you will bever be able to get them as "clean" as in a mediumless hudro/aero grow.


Well, that makes alot of sense! Now I regret I bought an NFT and not a aero, hehe. But I think I would have temperature issues in the water so I think I'll have to wait until I have another flowering chamber...

[Puffzter]

Well, that makes alot of sense! Now I regret I bought an NFT and not a aero, hehe. But I think I would have temperature issues in the water so I think I'll have to wait until I have another flowering chamber...

Well it's not all better. ;)
Temperature as you say is a biggie. I have ordered material to solve that once and for all now. At the moment it's ok but it's winter in Sweden now so cool air is easy to get hehe.
What I will do is hook up 2 big bubblers and one small bubbler to an airpump and run the small one in the cloner and the 2 large ones in the Amazon system. This will make it possible for me to feed the reservoirs cool air from floorlevel outside the growtent and that should take care of any problems with that except a month in the middle of the summer but I plan to run lights on during nighttime then so I think I'm in the clear now.

The other problem with an aero is that they are nervous. Whatever you do will hit the plants fast and hard so you better do it right.

The benefits are obvious. Plants vegg fast like mad and are easy to max out in bloom if you keep roots healthy and pay close attention to the meters and chemistry of the nutemix. :)

I am Frankenstein!
A drop here, some bubbles there. A bat wing and the head of a dead cat and they make sweet dope.

[Puffzter]

Some pictures.Everything is going as planned. Didn't manage to replace two slots in the system before I had to flip to 12/12 so I am running 14 plants. 2 of those 14 were replaced close to the flip so they have not vegged more than a tiny bit. Gonna be interesting to see what they will produce compared to same genetics properly vegged.I also got a beautiful clone of Papaya from a fellow grower together with a test smoke of it. Papaya is a sweet smelling and tasting indica that has great benefits for me as I also use MJ against a constant pain. This one numbed that out almost completelly. :)
pH 5.4-5.7
temp 27 (celsius)
humidity 35-45%
root temp 17.5-19.5 (celsius)
ppm : 1100

Pics:

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/090307001.jpg
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/090307004.jpg
Clones in the aero-cloner.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/090307002.jpgMy
new Papaya, gonna be trained into a Bonzai mother.

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/090307009.jpg

Puffzter

[Puffzter]

New small update.

Amazon with the widows.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/090311003.jpg

Bad pic of some flowers:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/090311004.jpg

Cloning area with WW mom closest, Papaya getting the Bonzai treatment to become a mother, propagator and some jiffies with clones in. All under a 125W CFL in a 2*2 area.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/090311005.jpg

Puffzter

[Ryder666]

An update please? :)