People like this dictate the future of the planet.

[B.Basher]

BBC NEWS | World | Americas | US Elections 2008 | McCain defends rival Obama (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/us_elections_2008/7665238.stm)

Watch 'til the end. This is the first time I actually feel sorry for politicians. I mean, these are the people they're trying to get through to.

PS: Sorry if its old news.

[The Colonel]

I don't feel any reason to feel bad for Mr. McCain when he is put in this kind of situation. You can see how his negative campaigning has rubbed off on his supporting roots. McCain has the support of the biggot'ed racist America that I personally thought was gone. I dont feel bad for a politician when he/she is put in a position to hear supporters yell "kill him" or other racially motivated things, I feel bad for our whole country. I hope to god that McCain doesnt win, because I could not stand to live in a country that still has a large population that is simply afraid of a president who happens to share 50% of his blood with a Kenyan father. These next 4 years sure will be exciting.

[daihashi]

I don't feel any reason to feel bad for Mr. McCain when he is put in this kind of situation. You can see how his negative campaigning has rubbed off on his supporting roots. McCain has the support of the biggot'ed racist America that I personally thought was gone. I dont feel bad for a politician when he/she is put in a position to hear supporters yell "kill him" or other racially motivated things, I feel bad for our whole country. I hope to god that McCain doesnt win, because I could not stand to live in a country that still has a large population that is simply afraid of a president who happens to share 50% of his blood with a Kenyan father. These next 4 years sure will be exciting.

Please show me where McCain has been a racist.. furthermore show me where in his campaign where he's attacked Obama as the color of his skin for the premise.

McCain is no more responsible for his supporters than Obama is responsible for his supporters rioting.

As a matter of fact the only one to make an issue of Obama's background, color of his skin or his Middle name has been Obama. If you can find me a clip of McCain doing this then I will eat my words but you'll find that you're sorely mistaken.

Did you even watch the rest of the clip where McCain defended Obama preceeding that ignorant woman?

Ignorance doesn't know party affiliation. :hippy:

[The Colonel]

I never said anything about McCain spewing racist propaganda. As you can see from this clip he is defending Obama when this woman says she can't trust him because he is an Arab. Im just pointing out how misleading his negative campainging has been. I don't think Obama is the reborn christ, I just think that he has much better aproach to fixing the problems that surround us in America today. And he seems much more professional in my mind. Also I look at the VP pick's as a judge of character. Joe Biden, who I have known for a majority of my life (I'm from Wilmington, DE) is a much more experienced and, again I stress, professional politician. The Sarah Palin pick seemed like a hail mary pass from the McCain camp, and I think its back firing. But, I guess we'll see in less than a month.

[daihashi]

I never said anything about McCain spewing racist propaganda. As you can see from this clip he is defending Obama when this woman says she can't trust him because he is an Arab. Im just pointing out how misleading his negative campainging has been. I don't think Obama is the reborn christ, I just think that he has much better aproach to fixing the problems that surround us in America today. And he seems much more professional in my mind. Also I look at the VP pick's as a judge of character. Joe Biden, who I have known for a majority of my life (I'm from Wilmington, DE) is a much more experienced and, again I stress, professional politician. The Sarah Palin pick seemed like a hail mary pass from the McCain camp, and I think its back firing. But, I guess we'll see in less than a month.

You're going to believe what you're going to believe. Up until recent months McCain had not attacked Obama and was often found praising him, as seen in this video. McCain even caught alot of backlash from his own party for not going on the attack on Obama; something McCain did not want to do.

You generalize what you think you know about McCain which is not very much apparently since you think that his campaign led to the ignorance we see in some voters.

Again; did Obama tell protesters to riot outside the RNC? No he didn't. Did McCain spread propaganda that Obama was an Arab... No he didn't.

And Joe Biden.. the same condescending arrogant guy who ran for the presidency in 1988? You mean this guy here who is being a complete ass:

YouTube - 1988 Road to the White House with Sen. Biden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1j0FS0Z6ho)

You mean the same Joe Biden who chose the politically safe route between defending a woman against sexual harassment or sticking up for a black guy (Clarence Thomas).

You mean the same Joe Biden who is a gaffe machine. Spewing out offensive crap after offensive crap?

Again; you're going to want to believe what you want to believe. I try to look at situations for what they are. :thumbsup:

[The Colonel]

You're going to believe what you're going to believe. Up until recent months McCain had not attacked Obama and was often found praising him, as seen in this video. McCain even caught alot of backlash from his own party for not going on the attack on Obama; something McCain did not want to do.

You generalize what you think you know about McCain which is not very much apparently since you think that his campaign led to the ignorance we see in some voters.

Again; did Obama tell protesters to riot outside the RNC? No he didn't. Did McCain spread propaganda that Obama was an Arab... No he didn't.

And Joe Biden.. the same condescending arrogant guy who ran for the presidency in 1988? You mean this guy here who is being a complete ass:

YouTube - 1988 Road to the White House with Sen. Biden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1j0FS0Z6ho)

You mean the same Joe Biden who chose the politically safe route between defending a woman against sexual harassment or sticking up for a black guy (Clarence Thomas).

You mean the same Joe Biden who is a gaffe machine. Spewing out offensive crap after offensive crap?

Again; you're going to want to believe what you want to believe. I try to look at situations for what they are. :thumbsup:

And you'll believe what you want to believe. Aside from our dissagrements on some fundamentals, I'd just like to say that I appreciate that you bring some other points of view to the board, even though I dissagree with just about everything you say. I dont have time right now to type a rebutal, but sure will tonight!

[daihashi]

And you'll believe what you want to believe. Aside from our dissagrements on some fundamentals, I'd just like to say that I appreciate that you bring some other points of view to the board, even though I dissagree with just about everything you say. I dont have time right now to type a rebutal, but sure will tonight!

If you think I'm a hardline McCain supporter then you'd be wrong. I wanted Ron Paul.

I believe what I investigate. Meaning that I see both sides for what they are. I don't have any delusions of McCain being the greatest president that lived; just as I don't believe Obama isn't worth the week old dingleberry's clinging to my dog's rear.

I simply believe that when comparing the two candidates that Obama is the dingleberry and McCain is well... I guess a smaller dingleberry.

[Iguana]

I don't feel any reason to feel bad for Mr. McCain when he is put in this kind of situation. You can see how his negative campaigning has rubbed off on his supporting roots. McCain has the support of the biggot'ed racist America that I personally thought was gone. I dont feel bad for a politician when he/she is put in a position to hear supporters yell "kill him" or other racially motivated things, I feel bad for our whole country. I hope to god that McCain doesnt win, because I could not stand to live in a country that still has a large population that is simply afraid of a president who happens to share 50% of his blood with a Kenyan father. These next 4 years sure will be exciting.

First, nowadays there are just as likely as many people that will make their decision in a racist manner that are black as are white. I hope to God that Obama doesn't win, as it will really bother me to live in a country that will be as far to the left as BO will take us. McCain is the better choice, only because we cannot get someone who is more of a Libertarian or Federalist in position to run for President. At least McCain describes himself as a Federalist. If only he could be persuaded to extend that view to the marijuana issue.

[daihashi]

Just curious if anyone here realizes.. the people that call McCain racist or bigoted; that his adopted daughter that he's had with his wife Cindy have had for quite a while now (since 1993).. not just recently.. Is from Bangladesh.

Doesn't that seem odd to the people that claim that McCain is a racist and a bigot? I believe his wife Cindy pushed for the adoption, but this doesn't seem something a 'racist' or 'bigot' would want or would allow in their life.

Just thought I'd throw it out there; it's not like they just adopted her, she's been in their family for quite a long time, again since 1993.

[dragonrider]

I don't think McCain himself is a bigot or racist, but I think he has allowed racist and xenophobic inuendo in his campaign. And I am not talking about the dumbass supporters like this woman who called Obama an Arab --- I am talking about things McCain definitely can and should control.

The people who introduce McCain and Palin at their rallies have repeatedly referred to Obama using his middle name, Barack Hussein Obama. That really is his full name, so what is the problem, right? Of course these people know exactly what they are doing, and their goal is to play on xenophobic fear and make a mental association between Obama and the only other Hussein most of us have ever heard of. McCain doesn't do it himself, but he allows those he puts on stage at his rallies to continue to do it. He bears responsibility for that.

At a recent McCain rally, the pastor who gave the invocation said that millions of non-Christians around the world, Budhists, Hindus and Muslims, were praying to their Gods that Obama would win, and if God wanted to safeguard his reputation, then he should make sure McCain won. Otherwise those non-Christians would believe their God was more powerful than the Christian God. The goal is to suggest that Obama himself is not Christian. McCain didn't say it himself, but he allowed this pastor he put on stage at his rally to suggest Obama is not Christian. He bears responsibility for that.

Sarah Palin has said Obama "pals around with terrorists." She definitely bears responsibility for her own statements, and McCain bears responsibily for it as well.

And McCain says that Obama is not being honest, that he has secrets, and he asks, "Who is the REAL Barack Obama?"

McCain does not say the repugnant things himself, but he has allowed speakers at his events and Sarah Palin to paint the picture that Obama has a middle eastern name, he isn't Christian, he pals around with terrorists, he has dark secrets, and we don't REALLY know who he is.

McCain might not be a bigotted, racist, xenophobe, but he is making a stage for that point of view to be insinuated, and he bears responsibility for that.

This video was showing him trying to stamp out some of the nasty audience reactions that his campaign has incited. He started the fire, and now he is trying to stamp it out.

[justanotherbozo]

Sarah Palin has said Obama "pals around with terrorists." She definitely bears responsibility for her own statements, and McCain bears responsibily for it as well.

he does, Bill Ayers is a terrorist and in any other country he'd be in prison


And McCain says that Obama is not being honest, that he has secrets, and he asks, "Who is the REAL Barack Obama?"


that's a question a lot of us would like an answer to

[Reefer Rogue]

Obama was 8 years old when Ayers was in the weather underground. He's not affiliated with the Obama campaign and he never will be. They served together on an education board in Illinoise, where other republicans also served on. Drop this pathetic point, they're not pals. Ayers is a professer now.

Racism is disgusting, i would never associate with anyone who was racist, those people sicken me. Good on Mccain for defending Obama and telling the people to respect him :thumbsup:

[justanotherbozo]

Obama was 8 years old when Ayers was in the weather underground. He's not affiliated with the Obama campaign and he never will be. They served together on an education board in Illinoise, where other republicans also served on. Drop this pathetic point, they're not pals. Ayers is a professer now.

Racism is disgusting, i would never associate with anyone who was racist, those people sicken me. Good on Mccain for defending Obama and telling the people to respect him :thumbsup:


if Bill Ayers was a pedophile that had avoided prison because of technicalities
it wouldn't matter how long ago he had done what he had done. especially
since he still holds the same views to this day.
and Barry was well past 8 years old when he chose to associate himself with
an unrepentent domestic terrorist.

even in 2001 Ayers was saying he wished he had bombed more.
frankly, i think he should be shot as a traitor to America. with citizens
like him, we don't need enemies.

and McCain has been a total gentleman throughout his campaign, frankly, i
think that's why he's been behind in the polls

[daihashi]

if Bill Ayers was a pedophile that had avoided prison because of technicalities
it wouldn't matter how long ago he had done what he had done. especially
since he still holds the same views to this day.
and Barry was well past 8 years old when he chose to associate himself with
an unrepentent domestic terrorist.

even in 2001 Ayers was saying he wished he had bombed more.
frankly, i think he should be shot as a traitor to America. with citizens
like him, we don't need enemies.

and McCain has been a total gentleman throughout his campaign, frankly, i
think that's why he's been behind in the polls

The only reason people give Bill Ayers a free pass is because of how he is perceived. Because Bill Ayers did not go to jail people perceive that what he did was not that bad.

Fact is that he got off on a technicality.. fact is that his buddies are in Jail and I don't see anyone in here saying that the other members of the weather underground should be set free... fact is that he is unrepentent as shown by the NY times interview as well as an interview done by PBS. Fact is that he/his organization bombed several government sites and put other people into harms way.

If Bill Ayers was in Jail right now no one would be making the claim that Bill Ayers is innocent or that Bill Ayers is Harmless. Fact is that regardless of how old Obama was when he committed those acts is irrelevant. What is relevant is the age at which he conciously knew what Ayers had done; that he was unrepentent and proud of his actions... He knew that Ayers was guilty and only got off on a technicality.

That is the argument.. and that is the problem that a vast number of people have with him.

How can you fight terrorism and yet be friends with a terrorist?

What if Obama had been friends with Timothy McVeigh? Would you still feel the same way?

edit: it should be noted my reply was in response to Reefer Rogue.. I simply used justanotherbozo's post to kind of add on to it.

[justanotherbozo]

The only reason people give Bill Ayers a free pass is because of how he is perceived. Because Bill Ayers did not go to jail people perceive that what he did was not that bad.

Fact is that he got off on a technicality.. fact is that his buddies are in Jail and I don't see anyone in here saying that the other members of the weather underground should be set free... fact is that he is unrepentent as shown by the NY times interview as well as an interview done by PBS. Fact is that he/his organization bombed several government sites and put other people into harms way.

If Bill Ayers was in Jail right now no one would be making the claim that Bill Ayers is innocent or that Bill Ayers is Harmless. Fact is that regardless of how old Obama was when he committed those acts is irrelevant. What is relevant is the age at which he conciously knew what Ayers had done; that he was unrepentent and proud of his actions... He knew that Ayers was guilty and only got off on a technicality.

That is the argument.. and that is the problem that a vast number of people have with him.

How can you fight terrorism and yet be friends with a terrorist?

What if Obama had been friends with Timothy McVeigh? Would you still feel the same way?

edit: it should be noted my reply was in response to Reefer Rogue.. I simply used justanotherbozo's post to kind of add on to it.


thanks for clarifieing that, i didn't go into as much detail as you because most
Obama supporters don't really want to hear the facts, they want to be
innocent, believing that Republicans are evil and the kindly Democrats will
rescue them.

that's the biggest problem i have with the Democrats, they want to absolve
us all of responsibility, so they can save us!

i don't want charity, i want a government that gets the fuck out of the way
kind of like what Thomas Jefferson wanted.

[maladroit]

"Please show me where McCain has been a racist."

- ok

"I hate the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."
- John McCain, February 2000


"I will call right now, my interrogator that tortured me, a gook."
- John McCain, February 2000


remember the propaganda lie about obama's wife using the term 'whitey'? that got a lot of coverage in the media...mccain's *real* racist slurs weren't even raised during this campaign...dem dum dems are just too damn polite

[daihashi]

"Please show me where McCain has been a racist."

- ok

"I hate the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."
- John McCain, February 2000


"I will call right now, my interrogator that tortured me, a gook."
- John McCain, February 2000



Please source your information or else it's just heresay. I'm interested to see where you got this information or whether it's highly publicized.



remember the propaganda lie about obama's wife using the term 'whitey'? that got a lot of coverage in the media...mccain's *real* racist slurs weren't even raised during this campaign...dem dum dems are just too damn polite

And I don't remember a lie about Obama's wife saying whitey. Maybe I was living under a rock, but I highly doubt it or I disregarded it because I'm more intelligent than to fall for crap like that.

[daihashi]

A quick google search shows that no major news publication has him quoted as saying that.. only blogs and a website called "the daily campus".

I used your quotes as a mean of searching.

[maladroit]

hmmm...pehaps your safesearch filter is enabled on your google page...i get lots of hits but i am not surprised that you haven't heard of this...the MSM was very kind to mccain before he recently stuck his head in a noose for them

a few mccain gook sources:

John McCain's racist remark very troubling (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml)

McCain Criticized for Slur / He says he'll keep using term for ex-captors in Vietnam (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/02/18/MN32194.DTL)

The Dishonor Of An American Hero - Commentary: The Post Chronicle (http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/article_212179023.shtml)


if mccain didn't say it, then why did he officially apologize for using the term "gook" for so many years?
AsianWeek: Feature: McCain Apologizes for 'Gook' Comment (http://asianweek.com/2000_02_24/feature_mccainapology.html)


you were offended by the use of the word 'redneck' recently...how do you feel about the word 'gook'? how would you feel if a politician running for president had not only used that word, but defended the use of the word by saying:

"I can't believe that anybody doesn't believe these interrogators and prison guards were cruel and sadistic people who deserve the worst appellations possible. Gook is the kindest appellation I can give."
- John McCain, Feb 2000, two days before flip flopping on the kindest appellation


read those quotes again, and replace 'gook' with the N-word (which is verbotten on this forum)...ya think a simple apology would erase all reports of that from the media? mccain got an easy ride from the MSM, while obama had to endure all sorts of racist propaganda against him

[daihashi]

hmmm...pehaps your safesearch filter is enabled on your google page...i get lots of hits but i am not surprised that you haven't heard of this...the MSM was very kind to mccain before he recently stuck his head in a noose for them

a few mccain gook sources:

John McCain's racist remark very troubling (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml)

McCain Criticized for Slur / He says he'll keep using term for ex-captors in Vietnam (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/02/18/MN32194.DTL)

The Dishonor Of An American Hero - Commentary: The Post Chronicle (http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/article_212179023.shtml)


if mccain didn't say it, then why did he officially apologize for using the term "gook" for so many years?
AsianWeek: Feature: McCain Apologizes for 'Gook' Comment (http://asianweek.com/2000_02_24/feature_mccainapology.html)


you were offended by the use of the word 'redneck' recently...how do you feel about the word 'gook'? how would you feel if a politician running for president had not only used that word, but defended the use of the word by saying:

"I can't believe that anybody doesn't believe these interrogators and prison guards were cruel and sadistic people who deserve the worst appellations possible. Gook is the kindest appellation I can give."
- John McCain, Feb 2000, two days before flip flopping on the kindest appellation


read those quotes again, and replace 'gook' with the N-word (which is verbotten on this forum)...ya think a simple apology would erase all reports of that from the media? mccain got an easy ride from the MSM, while obama had to endure all sorts of racist propaganda against him

I do find it offensive... can you find me more than 1 instance where McCain has used a racist term that does not refer to the Asian race?; something he is obviously very upset about considering his torture and treatment while he was a POW?

While I do find it offensive you're comparing apples to oranges.. again; like usual.. you're reaching to try to prove your agenda. There is strong reason why this was not published by national news coverage.

Again as in the other thread.. continue on your agenda.

[maladroit]

the media wasn't shy about reporting that michelle obama said 'whitey' (even though she didn't)...what good reason could they have for not making an issue of mccain saying "gook" on many occasions, and then defending his use of the word? hwo many different racist slurs does a politician have to use before it becomes a liability?

the media lay down for mccain as surely as the jumped at michelle obama's throat

[daihashi]

Here's a test for you to try at home:

1. Catch a wild house cat outside.
2. Keep it in a cage just big enough for it to stand and turn around in.
3. Beat the cat, breaking it's arms and legs.. let it heal..
4. Refuse to feed or give the cat water until it is on the verge of death. then give it the minimal amount required to survive.
5. Find innovative ways to torture the cat on a daily or hourly basis.

Repeat steps 2-5 for 5-10 years.

Release cat in your house.. see how well that cat likes you or trusts you. The cat will avoid you at all costs, but won't hesitate to lash out at you if given the chance. :hippy:


fyi: I don't condone the abuse of animals and am not advocating it. This was just an example of the psychology involved with McCain's POW status and why he feels that way towards a group. Which is still racism; but nothing like just blindly using a racist term with no history behind you to justify your words.

[daihashi]

the media wasn't shy about reporting that michelle obama said 'whitey' (even though she didn't)...what good reason could they have for not making an issue of mccain saying "gook" on many occasions, and then defending his use of the word? hwo many different racist slurs does a politician have to use before it becomes a liability?

the media lay down for mccain as surely as the jumped at michelle obama's throat

Just as you jump at any politician who's mascot may be an elephant? :hippy:

[dragonrider]

I think the problem with the Ayers thing is that the McCain campaign is trying to make too much out of the connection. There just isn't much there. The notion that Obama "pals around with terrorists" is such an exageration, that you either buy it 100%, like McCain supporters seem to do, or you completely dismiss it out of hand. The truth is there is a little something there, but not much.

No one can excuse what Ayers did 40 years ago, and it would have been better if the prosecution had not blown it's case back then so the trial got thrown out. He should have served time for what he did.

Now it's 40 years in the past. Ayers may not be universally respected, considering his past, but he is certainly given a great deal of credit for the good things he has done in the past 40 years. He has enough credibility that he was asked to serve on the board of the Annenberg Project, funded by a strongly Republican family. He served on the board along with various diverse experts in education, including many prominent Republicans and Barack Obama. So I suppose if you want to say that Obama pals around with Ayers because they both served on this board, you might also have to admit that Obama pals around with the Annenbergs and a large number of prominent Chicago Republicans. And I guess those prominent Chicago Republicans also pal around with terrorists. And it makes sense too to conclude that the Annenbergs actually FUND the activities of terrorists. Perhaps Homeland Security ought to investigate the Annenbergs for their funding of terrorists!

The whole idea is stupid.

Does anyone believe in redemption? The idea that maybe someone could do something very bad, and then redeem themselves with a lifetime of good work? Apparently the Annenberg family does. Very Christian of them, if you ask me.

The idea that Obama is somehow stained by serving on the same board as Ayers is not only stupid, it is totally ineffective as a campaign strategy. No one seems to care except for those who are completely wrapped up in this election. Ordinary voters do not care. During the two weeks McCain spent hammering the topic, his poll numbers continued to drop. And from what I saw on the debate coverage on various news channels, people who watched the debate and were interviewed later felt like the Ayers topic was a waste of time, irrelevant, and confusing. It's a losing topic. With the economy burning to the ground, people look at this kind of BS and they think it is small and petty and irrelevant.

Even if it were relevant as a campaign issue, it is irrelevant to voters.

[DaBudhaStank]

I think the problem with the Ayers thing is that the McCain campaign is trying to make too much out of the connection. There just isn't much there. The notion that Obama "pals around with terrorists" is such an exageration, that you either buy it 100%, like McCain supporters seem to do, or you completely dismiss it out of hand. The truth is there is a little something there, but not much.

No one can excuse what Ayers did 40 years ago, and it would have been better if the prosecution had not blown it's case back then so the trial got thrown out. He should have served time for what he did.

Now it's 40 years in the past. Ayers may not be universally respected, considering his past, but he is certainly given a great deal of credit for the good things he has done in the past 40 years. He has enough credibility that he was asked to serve on the board of the Annenberg Project, funded by a strongly Republican family. He served on the board along with various diverse experts in education, including many prominent Republicans and Barack Obama. So I suppose if you want to say that Obama pals around with Ayers because they both served on this board, you might also have to admit that Obama pals around with the Annenbergs and a large number of prominent Chicago Republicans. And I guess those prominent Chicago Republicans also pal around with terrorists. And it makes sense too to conclude that the Annenbergs actually FUND the activities of terrorists. Perhaps Homeland Security ought to investigate the Annenbergs for their funding of terrorists!

The whole idea is stupid.

Does anyone believe in redemption? The idea that maybe someone could do something very bad, and then redeem themselves with a lifetime of good work? Apparently the Annenberg family does. Very Christian of them, if you ask me.

The idea that Obama is somehow stained by serving on the same board as Ayers is not only stupid, it is totally ineffective as a campaign strategy. No one seems to care except for those who are completely wrapped up in this election. Ordinary voters do not care. During the two weeks McCain spent hammering the topic, his poll numbers continued to drop. And from what I saw on the debate coverage on various news channels, people who watched the debate and were interviewed later felt like the Ayers topic was a waste of time, irrelevant, and confusing. It's a losing topic. With the economy burning to the ground, people look at this kind of BS and they think it is small and petty and irrelevant.

Even if it were relevant as a campaign issue, it is irrelevant to voters.

Truth. Remember when buying weed was supporting terrorism? Man, those were the days.....

[justanotherbozo]

'none are so blind as them that will not see'

[maladroit]

i understand the psychology behind mccain's use of the word GOOK...a similar psychology exists behind some people's use of racial slurs to describe other races (for example: the vietnamese must have a racial slur for the white guys that tortured vietnamese 40 years ago)...that doesn't justify anything...in fact, that's worse than someone blindly throwing out a racist slur with no meaning behind it...mccain was fully aware of what that word meant and he used it repeatedly, and defended his use of that word

maybe black people are psychologically like abused animals with trust issues too, but that wouldn't excuse obama from calling his abusers 'crackers'...that would have knocked him out of the race for president, even if he apologized

[DaBudhaStank]

'none are so blind as them that will not see'

Dude, none are so blind as they who will agree with you just because you tell them to. Please man, get over yourself. You haven't given a lick of sense in any of your posts, and quoting one line of the bible (or wherever the fuck you got it) with nothing else to follow (like information, meaning, or points) doesn't help you're argument. You are not John McCain or Sarah Palin. Just because they know how to duck and dodge the issues like champs does not mean YOU know how to. Please insert 3 coins and try again.

Now, back to reality. I've learned something after reading a series of books. People who live away from cities (usually in rural areas) are not fond of new ideas. New information and ideas of change are not readily accepted in rural areas. I've always figured it's because the influx of information to these types of areas is slow, while in cities and what not information travels immediately. However, I've had a hard time justifying this, because nowadays everyone has a TV and is constantly bombarded by modern perception, whereas back in the day in rural areas, people only got information via people traveling through or something to that effect. Eh, not really related but was a series of thoughts in my noggin.

[apocolips31]

Dude, I don't know where you get off telling people that everything they say that disagrees with you is either retarded or crazy. A lot of yours posts are equally if not more insane than half the posts you comment on. If you're going to say something at least have some merit to back it up.

[DaBudhaStank]

Dude, I don't know where you get off telling people that everything they say that disagrees with you is either retarded or crazy. A lot of yours posts are equally if not more insane than half the posts you comment on. If you're going to say something at least have some merit to back it up.

I sure hope you aren't talking about me.

[justanotherbozo]

Dude, I don't know where you get off telling people that everything they say that disagrees with you is either retarded or crazy. A lot of yours posts are equally if not more insane than half the posts you comment on. If you're going to say something at least have some merit to back it up.

you have to let it go man, some people are so convinced they're right,
they stop listening

[DaBudhaStank]

you have to let it go man, some people are so convinced they're right,
they stop listening

You do not fall in this category.




/sarcasm.

[bobthenuker]

You do not fall in this category.




/sarcasm.

Agreed, in my experience on this section of the board, this applies way more to the republicans than to anyone else. It's pretty funny they think that everyone else that does not agree with them is wrong and just a crazy "liberal." And don't try to deny that, it's been proven time and time again here.

[daihashi]

Agreed, in my experience on this section of the board, this applies way more to the republicans than to anyone else. It's pretty funny they think that everyone else that does not agree with them is wrong and just a crazy "liberal." And don't try to deny that, it's been proven time and time again here.

Both sides will try to insist they're right.. don't try to deny that :hippy:

[bobthenuker]

Both sides will try to insist they're right.. don't try to deny that :hippy:

Indeed, I was simply making a point. :thumbsup:

It's rather funny though how the word "liberal" just often flies around here, meant of course in a derogatory sense toward some Obama supporters.

That's politics for 'ya.

[Reefer Rogue]

I think the problem with the Ayers thing is that the McCain campaign is trying to make too much out of the connection. There just isn't much there. The notion that Obama "pals around with terrorists" is such an exageration, that you either buy it 100%, like McCain supporters seem to do, or you completely dismiss it out of hand. The truth is there is a little something there, but not much.

No one can excuse what Ayers did 40 years ago, and it would have been better if the prosecution had not blown it's case back then so the trial got thrown out. He should have served time for what he did.

Now it's 40 years in the past. Ayers may not be universally respected, considering his past, but he is certainly given a great deal of credit for the good things he has done in the past 40 years. He has enough credibility that he was asked to serve on the board of the Annenberg Project, funded by a strongly Republican family. He served on the board along with various diverse experts in education, including many prominent Republicans and Barack Obama. So I suppose if you want to say that Obama pals around with Ayers because they both served on this board, you might also have to admit that Obama pals around with the Annenbergs and a large number of prominent Chicago Republicans. And I guess those prominent Chicago Republicans also pal around with terrorists. And it makes sense too to conclude that the Annenbergs actually FUND the activities of terrorists. Perhaps Homeland Security ought to investigate the Annenbergs for their funding of terrorists!

The whole idea is stupid.

Does anyone believe in redemption? The idea that maybe someone could do something very bad, and then redeem themselves with a lifetime of good work? Apparently the Annenberg family does. Very Christian of them, if you ask me.

The idea that Obama is somehow stained by serving on the same board as Ayers is not only stupid, it is totally ineffective as a campaign strategy. No one seems to care except for those who are completely wrapped up in this election. Ordinary voters do not care. During the two weeks McCain spent hammering the topic, his poll numbers continued to drop. And from what I saw on the debate coverage on various news channels, people who watched the debate and were interviewed later felt like the Ayers topic was a waste of time, irrelevant, and confusing. It's a losing topic. With the economy burning to the ground, people look at this kind of BS and they think it is small and petty and irrelevant.

Even if it were relevant as a campaign issue, it is irrelevant to voters.

Couldn't have said it better. People want to hear about the real issues affecting their families, not fabricated claims that he 'pals around' with terrorists.

[daihashi]

Indeed, I was simply making a point. :thumbsup:

It's rather funny though how the word "liberal" just often flies around here, meant of course in a derogatory sense toward some Obama supporters.

That's politics for 'ya.

Well Majority of the people on this forum are liberal. That is undeniable also; furthermore the word liberal isn't derogatory.. it refers to people's approach to an issue. It is only offensive if you take it that way.

You don't see anyone getting upset when you call them conservative. Instead they eat it up with pride for the most part.

I am not a republican; well I would be if they actually followed the principles on which they were founded, but I would consider myself a conservative. Something which is important to differentiate.

Just as you can be liberal without being a democrat or an Obama supporter for that matter. Liberal wasn't considered negative in the 70's or early 80's.. It wasn't until people started taking offense to it that it became negative.

I say if you're liberal embrace it and be proud of it. By doing that you take power away from anyone trying to use it in a negative way.

[bobthenuker]

Well Majority of the people on this forum are liberal. That is undeniable also; furthermore the word liberal isn't derogatory.. it refers to people's approach to an issue. It is only offensive if you take it that way.

You don't see anyone getting upset when you call them conservative. Instead they eat it up with pride for the most part.

I am not a republican; well I would be if they actually followed the principles on which they were founded, but I would consider myself a conservative. Something which is important to differentiate.

Just as you can be liberal without being a democrat or an Obama supporter for that matter. Liberal wasn't considered negative in the 70's or early 80's.. It wasn't until people started taking offense to it that it became negative.

I say if you're liberal embrace it and be proud of it. By doing that you take power away from anyone trying to use it in a negative way.

buddy, buddy...we're on the same page, believe me, I just think you're really getting confused by what I'm saying. I Know that the term "liberal" isn't derogatory, just that I often see it being used in a negative connotation. Ex: liberal mumbo-jumbo, liberal jargon, etc... more often than conservative in fact...that's all I'm saying, nothing more.

[daihashi]

buddy, buddy...we're on the same page, believe me, I just think you're really getting confused by what I'm saying. I Know that the term "liberal" isn't derogatory, just that I often see it being used in a negative connotation. Ex: liberal mumbo-jumbo, liberal jargon, etc... more often than conservative in fact...that's all I'm saying, nothing more.

I understand what you were saying.. I was just I guess giving kindly advice at how to take away the negative connotation when someone tries to apply it in a negative way.

I don't particularly like when people try to attach negativity from liberalism even though I don't support that belief.. however I have no problem when someone labels another liberal when they really are.

what's really confusing is when a liberal denies he's liberal.

Screw it.. let's just be American's instead of this liberal/conservative crap. Makes things much simpler, lol.

[maladroit]

liberal is a dirty word in the united states...even democrat politicians scatter when they are accused of being liberal:

FactCheck.org: 'Lying' About Being Liberal? (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/lying_about_being_liberal.html)

[MissDaMeaner]

Please show me where McCain has been a racist.. furthermore show me where in his campaign where he's attacked Obama as the color of his skin for the premise.

McCain is no more responsible for his supporters than Obama is responsible for his supporters rioting.
As a matter of fact the only one to make an issue of Obama's background, color of his skin or his Middle name has been Obama. If you can find me a clip of McCain doing this then I will eat my words but you'll find that you're sorely mistaken.

Did you even watch the rest of the clip where McCain defended Obama proceeding that ignorant woman?
Ignorance doesn't know party affiliation. :hippy:

I'm sorry somehow I missed these riots!!!

I have seen the clip where McCain implies " he is not an Arab he is a decent person"
It probably wasn't intentionally raciest. YouTube - McCain Supporter: "Obama is an Arab" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YIq5Q15L1o&feature=related)

Ignorance has no party affiliation, you are soooo right on this statement!!!
I believe this is exactly what the McCain campaign is trying to exploit. Go after the people that are uninformed.
Hate and fear tactics, I don't think they will work. Have a listen to his last resort!!!
TPM Election Central | Talking Points Memo | Latest McCain Robocall (http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/latest_mccain_robocall_alleges.php)
Ben Smith's Blog: Harsh GOP robo-call hits Ayers - Politico.com (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Harsh_GOP_robocall_hits_Ayers.html?showall)