no clue on what Im doing

[urfasha1]

Newbie grower, I have 6 ak-47 under a dual spectrum set up, lights are equiv to 200 watts each (400 tot) res is 8 gal and I started the seeds in rockwool, and hydroton pellets. They took 1 week to sprout and they are doing not to good. It has been 24 days and they had to be trimmed because alot of brown spots popped up , it is still happening , but they also have still continued to grow so the brown spots didnt make me cry yet. The smallest baby is about 4 1/2 inch tallest is 9 1/2 inch , they all started at the same time so I dont know why they grew uneven, I guess that happens. Sounds super foolish but I measured nutes by eye and gave them a 1/4 strength worth. Ph level is around 6.5 from what I heard that is good to go. I want the little ones to catch up but I do not know exactly how to pinch them and where. Basically I would like to know if I am doing good and also what I am doing wrong. I would like to know the best methods to getting a big yield, I have to supply myself with medicine cause the dealers suck ass and swagg is so nasty it makes me want to puke someone help, please. Ohh yeah when should I stop veg and start flowering?

"Freedom of speech is something I fought for so if you don't like what I said don't listen or read it, I can say what I want when I want and right now I am full of shit" - urfasha1

[darealbrain]

looks like we are in the same sinking ship with no help on the way what do we do?well since i had to do something i removed my girl from the res since her roots werent out of the bottom of the pot.i placed the pot still in the lid over an empty but and just started to give her water to see if it was a reaction to nutes i dont know how far along you are.and you want her to dry then slowly water over and over.just dont let her stay dry for too long im checking my baby hourly sometimes more.its my first time and i dont want my baby to die so im going to keep doing this until i see roots or we receive some help.

[urfasha1]

I check them very often I also have let the drip system keep working its magic but I do unplug every once in a while just in case to many nutes. I really dont know if it is root rot because I heard that micro changes the color of the root sometimes but the root did feel alittle slimly. I also heard that root rot spreads very quickly, it has yet to spread. I also thought it might be a lack of airbubbles so I centered the bubble blower, my roots are kinda big they are already in the res.

"Freedom of speech is something I fought for so if you don't like what I said don't listen or read it, I can say what I want when I want and right now I am full of shit" - urfasha1

[Stemis516]

what kind of hydro are u running....dwc or what?


and perhaps lower the ph and bit more to 6...although u need to be more concerned about getting the roots to pop out first

[urfasha1]

I dont know the diff really but i have 8 gal res with 6 hoses each hose drips into the netpots. The roots already hyave touched water and the ph is about 6.5.

[Stemis516]

id still try lowering ur ph closer to 5.8-6.0 range but my first instinct would be that ur rockwool is getting too wet and not allowing the roots to get enough air


and if the roots are sitting in the water u should get an airstone or something

[urfasha1]

I have the airstone but I noticed that it flipped upside down so I fxed it but I have not noticed any change in the roots, as for the rockwool I unplug every oncee in a while so the rockwool dries a bit. Do u know how to pinch and supercrop?

[dejayou30]

If you're going to try to pinch or supercrop, you at least need to figure out the basics. That would be like asking how to do a tail whip before even learning how to ride a bike.

Shoot for an average pH of 5.7, and don't let it go higher than 5.9 or lower than 5.4. As for the rest if you don't even know the basics of even what kind of hydro system you are using, its going to be hard to get any help. You should go to the Plant Problems forum and FILL OUT A FORM and try to get some pictures if you want some real help.

[urfasha1]

sorry it took so long to get back I was busy but I flushed with reg tap water ph is 5.5-5.7 and I do have DWC system with a dual spectrum set up, lights are equiv to 200 watts each (400 tot) res is 8 gal. The babies ar rather large smallest is 10 in and the largest is 1 1/2 ft. should I start flower period ? The smallest has not really started to spread it looks like it is mostly stretching right now. I will add some pics later my camera is not that good so I will do what i can. But from what I can tell I have rode the bike pretty well so maybe its time to tail whip. lol

"Freedom of speech is something I fought for so if you don't like what I said don't listen or read it, I can say what I want when I want and right now I am full of shit" - urfasha1

[urfasha1]

here are the babies:):thumbsup:

"Freedom of speech is something I fought for so if you don't like what I said don't listen or read it, I can say what I want when I want and right now I am full of shit" - urfasha1

[urfasha1]

take look and let me know what u think


"Freedom of speech is something I fought for so if you don't like what I said don't listen or read it, I can say what I want when I want and right now I am full of shit" - urfasha1

[urfasha1]

Man I feel so unloved no one is helping me:(, but anyway they are looking fine I pinched today so will give em a couple to recoupe and see how they heal.:thumbsup:


"Freedom of speech is something I fought for so if you don't like what I said don't listen or read it, I can say what I want when I want and right now I am full of shit" - urfasha1

[darealbrain]

it looks to me that everything is going good for you.mine are barely getting taller its they are just starting to spread.its been over a week and the roots are not in the res yet.i dont know why.i believe i messed up because when i got my seedlings it was 3 in on soil pot and i had to transplant into my hyrdo setup.my roots were all tangled up and i had to cut them apart.and as for the love im on everyday and ive been keeping up with just about everything on these threads as im triing to learn as much as i can from everybody.everything is new to me so as long as your plants are growing then to me it seems that they are not stressed a stressed plant will not grow or will have limited growth like mine until roots catch up.

[urfasha1]

I wish I could give U some advice but i have just been going on a prayer here, this is the first time I grew anything. As of yesterday I noticed that my tops are looking a little shredded like something is eating them or the lights r too close, I really dont know. I seen a couple fruit flys becasue my kids carved pumpkins(noticed them getting a little moldy) but I threw them away , I have been tracking the fruit flys and trying to kill them but they sure ass hell multiply. They have been in veg state for over a month and I decided to pinch thats when I noticed the tops were looking funny so I dont know if that was the reason(pinching). I tried to shift the lights because I dont think they are getting enough light at the bottom leaves. Ill be happy with whatever I get as long as its good, I would like to have enough to last me for a couple of months though. I should have been better prepared to do this but my budget was horrible and still is. I added some nutes today to see what happens, I had them without nutes for a week.

"Freedom of speech is something I fought for so if you don't like what I said don't listen or read it, I can say what I want when I want and right now I am full of shit" - urfasha1



it looks to me that everything is going good for you.mine are barely getting taller its they are just starting to spread.its been over a week and the roots are not in the res yet.i dont know why.i believe i messed up because when i got my seedlings it was 3 in on soil pot and i had to transplant into my hyrdo setup.my roots were all tangled up and i had to cut them apart.and as for the love im on everyday and ive been keeping up with just about everything on these threads as im triing to learn as much as i can from everybody.everything is new to me so as long as your plants are growing then to me it seems that they are not stressed a stressed plant will not grow or will have limited growth like mine until roots catch up.

[herbie the love bud]

Ok, I am going to try and help take this thread on, guess everyone is busy lately and so am I so I haven't been around much.

1st: Your plants are looking terrific. So you can relax.

2nd: Let me explain something about runts. Naturely, when you grow 6 plants (or any #) some will grow faster or stronger than others. Even if they are clones (when they are seeds, each one will be unique in its own way).

You can top the plant (cutting the growth shoot) slowing down its vertical growth from the top. The lower branches will grow and other plants may catch up in height.

When they are even again, they MAY stay even vertically, however the plant that you topped will ALWAYS be stronger and produce more because that was its nature to begin with. For instance, at harvest they could all be the same height with one plant pulling 1/2 a lb. and other plants yielding a 1/4 lb.

Topping is really for accomodating you height limitation, not for evening out each plant.

Now, I don't know how much vertical height you have but will a 400 watt bulb The total effective light penetration is about 2'. So you should switch to flower at around 8-10". They will double, even triple in flower.

You are already way too tall, so just do what a gardener does to a bush, just get your clippers and evenly cut your plant down to 10". Don't worry about what that means your cutting. I know you are nervous about this, just trust me. Then put them into flower right away.

Finally about your nutes. I don't know what you are using (brand) but go to their website or use the label on the bottle and mix your nutes per the instructions. Get a measuring cup made for hydro. I use around 8 or so nutes and I use a syringe, a shot glass and a beaker, depending on what the nute calls for.

Do that, and hit us back. I'll try and monitor you daily.

[herbie the love bud]

BTW- Growing from seed, be ready for your vigorous growing plant to be a male. Also, I noticed in the last pic a slight curling up of the edges of the leaves. This is due to it being a little hot for the plant. Raise the lamp a little.

[urfasha1]

Thank u somebody wants to help me, by the way (hit us back):what: besides that:D so happy that u want to help. I am kinda unsure with topping, I should basically cut the top off? but they look so pretty:( . The runt is 10" and the giant is 1 1/2 ft. I have pinched a couple of days ago and am waiting for them to heal. Okay I am confusing myself so i guess my ? is how do I top and ur saying I should flower right after i top? I was also thinking of using a reflector blanket to maximize light usage because I do not have money to buy more lights, do u think that will be okay? Looking 4ward to ur response, thanks in advance.

"Freedom of speech is something I fought for so if you don't like what I said don't listen or read it, I can say what I want when I want and right now I am full of shit" - urfasha1

[Weezard]

Thank u somebody wants to help me, by the way (hit us back):what: besides that:D so happy that u want to help. I am kinda unsure with topping, I should basically cut the top off? but they look so pretty:( . The runt is 10" and the giant is 1 1/2 ft. I have pinched a couple of days ago and am waiting for them to heal. Okay I am confusing myself so i guess my ? is how do I top and ur saying I should flower right after i top? I was also thinking of using a reflector blanket to maximize light usage because I do not have money to buy more lights, do u think that will be okay? Looking 4ward to ur response, thanks in advance.

"Freedom of speech is something I fought for so if you don't like what I said don't listen or read it, I can say what I want when I want and right now I am full of shit" - urfasha1

Yes, a reflector blanket is a good idea.
As is a small fan.
If you keep the plants gently moving, it gets light to the bottom leaf and strengthens the stem.
They "breathe" better too.;)
A strong stem gets important when they flower.

You are off to a good start, Urfasha.:)

Best of luck with it.
Weezard

[herbie the love bud]

To top, you basically cut off the very top growth shoot as it is emerging. You generally try and do this no later than a week or two before flowering. Your case is different. You overshot and need to cut everything down to ten inches. So in your case, dont worry about the technique of topping, or about being too close to flower.

Just cut them now and switch the lights, they will only look funky for about two weeks, at which point you won't even remember where you cut them, because they will be so lush.

[urfasha1]

weezard and Herbie thanks so much. Will do on the ref blanket, I already have a fan in there so it should be okay. Herbie as far as the topping I am so nervous but I will listen to u cause I checked out a couple of ur threads and posts and u rock dude. Will do the topping early 2morrow and change cycle, i just put nutes in yesterday but I read it is okay to have grow nutes for 1-2 wks of flowering, after that i will clean res and put bloom nutes. I hope everything works out because man I have been without for a while and I refuse to pay for garbage around the way. I am really starting to notice how much of an angry person I am without and that is not good at all. Ohh yeah when I top can I use the growth that I cut off as clones and also do I need cloning gel to do this? Or can Clones root just with light, water and grow nutes ?

"Freedom of speech is something I fought for so if you don't like what I said don't listen or read it, I can say what I want when I want and right now I am full of shit" - urfasha1

[urfasha1]

OKay here is the update I topped to get them all to about 10" I was scared as hell being I barely know what I am doing(no dr. greenthumb):i feel stupid:. I made sure the ph was good to go and they are still on grow nutes that I just put in yesterday, I raised the lights to about 2' above the tops because I am using the reflector blanket and I did not want the babies to get too hot. I also ghetto rigged my fan to blow on the lights and move the air thru the leaves hopefully that works to keep the temp down and provide air flow. I keep the closet open most of the time so they should be okay. I have now set the timer 4 12/12. Oh i also trimmed the huge fan leaves I hope that was okay to do:confused:, also for a test run I took 2 tops and basically put them in a flower pot with soil and water that came out the res which had grow nutes lets see if that works for clones. They are right ontop of the res to get light with the rest of the babies. Herbie I will try to get some pics for u soon okay:thumbsup:.

"Freedom of speech is something I fought for so if you don't like what I said don't listen or read it, I can say what I want when I want and right now I am full of shit" - urfasha1

[herbie the love bud]

I am a little worried about you blow the air over the lights and then onto the leaves. That will heat them instead of cool them (effictively that is how a heater works, fan blows air over a heat source).

Also, you shouldn't trim the fan leaves, they are critical to collecting light and producing energy. It's done, so ok, but don't do that in the future.

Next, do a search on some instructions to clone.

[urfasha1]

Okay I will most def have to get pics 4 u but I will explain best I can. The fan is a big square fan and the air hits lights and babies at the same time and the space they r in is open most of the time so the air is flowing in the whole room but I do understand what ur sayin about the hot air, sadly i have to get a thermometer because the space tends to get rather cold and stay cold, so I dont worry to much about heat damage from the lights because it gets rather cold in the space where they r (Sometimes I have to turn on a space heater). I must say they r looking rather nice even though I hacked off the fan leaves(not all of them). Even the runt is showing more growth as far as new leaves. I know patience is key but I was so anxious to top and go 12/12, but now I feel like damn I should have waited for u to coach me a little better.Clones wilted so that experiment failed next time will try when prepared. But at least the babies r still okay.:D:thumbsup:

"Freedom of speech is something I fought for so if you don't like what I said don't listen or read it, I can say what I want when I want and right now I am full of shit" - urfasha1

[herbie the love bud]

Don't worry, you're doing fine. Your flowering plants are going to thrive. Next time you are ready to do clones you just need to review the steps first, there are lot of great guides to cloning that I won't repeat them here, but if you read one and have questions then I can fill you in.

[urfasha1]

thanks I checked on the babies and the ph was 6.4-6.5 the are looking nice but the yellow colar in the new leave are worrying me a bit. I do have to be happy that I am a lucky dude cause they look real stressed but yet looking good, if I am correct the yellow color might be due to lack of nitrogen or magnesium? I do have grow nutes in res have dwc on constant drip, but I feel if I keep checking they will be okay. As for the cloning I will doe research. Promise to charge batts on cam and take shots.


"Freedom of speech is something I fought for so if you don't like what I said don't listen or read it, I can say what I want when I want and right now I am full of shit" - urfasha1

[herbie the love bud]

Yeah, before I diagnose the yellow color, I'd like to see some pics. It could be totally innoculous. It could be a deficiency, or it could be root rot preventing the uptake. Not to say that any of those are the case but a guess without a picture is a total shot in the dark.

[urfasha1]

Yeah, before I diagnose the yellow color, I'd like to see some pics. It could be totally innoculous. It could be a deficiency, or it could be root rot preventing the uptake. Not to say that any of those are the case but a guess without a picture is a total shot in the dark.


Thanks herbie sorry it took so long but I had house guests and you know must keep things on the low. Anyway I have been in 12/12 for a while they were looking good till I cleaned res and added bloom nutes the babies tilted and fell in my sink and they looked really shocked they were leaning to the side and alot of leaves are dying and turning yellow but I have faith little by little they are looking better but they are still discolored and leaning I will have pics but my camera shot out the blue mist so I know that camera is damaged I had it for 5-6 years. I will take some with the blackberry and post soon.

"Freedom of speech is something I fought for so if you don't like what I said don't listen or read it, I can say what I want when I want and right now I am full of shit" - urfasha1

[urfasha1]

They still have been having some small progress it has almost been a month since 12/12 so I just have to be patient I guess, thats one thing I am not good at though. The yellowing has gotten a little better and they have pretty much straightened themselves out so lets see what happens in a few days I been slackin on the pics sorry but I will get them.

"Freedom of speech is something I fought for so if you don't like what I said don't listen or read it, I can say what I want when I want and right now I am full of shit" - urfasha1