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JakeMartinez
10-06-2008, 03:00 PM
I'm watching the news right now and it just came out that Barack Obama is being audited because the Republican National Committee pointed out that there was something suspicious going on with his finances.

The FEC has found a number of suspicious and fraudulent donations, one was a person who listed their name as "Good Will" and gave 23,000 in 10 and 25-dollar increments.

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My opinion is that the FEC needs to find out who these people were that were making these fraudulent donations and figure out if they're individuals, criminals with stolen credit cards, or have ties to corporations.


If it's either of the first two, I think Barack should give back the money but that's it because the issue here is a donation system that's easy to cheat. Also, if this is the case, John's records should be looked over, too, since he uses the same electronic donation system. Either way I don't see it as either of their fault if their system got scammed. They should have hired some programmers to make it harder to do this but that would have been hard in the early days of either campaign.

If it was from corporations, we need to find out why they donated that money and scammed the system to do it. If either candidate asked for their systems to be fucked with so corporations could give them massive donations, I will be frankly disgusted no matter which one it is.

What do you guys think?

beachguy in thongs
10-06-2008, 04:08 PM
Obama has sold himself as the candidate of hope and change, a claim bolstered by his promises to refuse campaign money from corporations and lobbyists. His supporters were surprised after the primaries ended and he reneged on almost every promise he had made. But Obama's about face should have come as no surprise to anyone watching his early contributors who were, despite Obama's promises to the contrary, the band of usual suspects. Writing toward the end of the primaries, Pam Martens argues that Obama's financial backers will doom his populist potential -- a prediction that came all too true. But the article is not simply about Obama's hypocrisy; it is a warning against the rise of corporate power and its devastating effects on democracy. In an election year where even the change candidate can't stand up to Wall Street, Ralph Nader's principled critiques of corporate power and his refusal to accept corporate campaign contributions are not just crucial; they are the difference between another eight years of distastrous amnesia or real, equitable reform.

Onward!

Ashley Sanders
The Nader Team

His "non-lobbyist" donations are coming through lawyers/law firms, who are being financed by lobbyists.

JakeMartinez
10-06-2008, 04:21 PM
His "non-lobbyist" donations are coming through lawyers/law firms, who are being financed by lobbyists.

I want to see proof, though.

beachguy in thongs
10-06-2008, 08:46 PM
Look on MSNBC. They have "proof" of one of his donations coming from a guy named Good Will.

JakeMartinez
10-07-2008, 03:14 AM
Look on MSNBC. They have "proof" of one of his donations coming from a guy named Good Will.

That was on my original post, beachguy.