My sexy Afghan first grow with CFLs

[oSecretGardeno]

So I have been cruising this site for a while, attempting to figure out exactly how I wanted to create my first set up, specifically made for my situation. After much research I have decided on a homemade closet grow-box. I figured I owed it to myself and others to create a little grow log, if not to help other people, but for my own personal reference in future grows. This is my first grow, so please feel free to leave any advice/comments/criticism, all is welcome. Oh and I am on a limited budget, so that will probably be evident as time goes on. The set-up is as follows:

- Grow box made from 2 large packing boxes stacked on top of each other, lined with the non shiny side of tin foil, approx total dimensions = 20"x20"x48"
- Gear: 3 -10" circular pots, approx 2.5 gallons
- Medium: 3 parts potting soil (miracle grow), 1 part vermiculite, 1 part perlite and a smattering of lime to help control the pH
- Lights: 2 - 105W 6500K CFLs (planning on changing out to 2700K for flowering)
- Intake/exhaust: 2 - 5" AC computer fans, one at the top for exhaust and one at the bottom for intake, running at about 78 CFM. My box is less then 16 CF, so I am relatively confident with the exchange available at the moment.

I have the ability to shut the entire operation into the box but after some initial tests with the lights and no fans, I found the box could quickly get to 120F+, which is completely outrageous. So I installed the fans and have decided to leave the doors open until I have to seal the place up for the 12/12 dark time. As of now, ventilation is a big problem of mine so I have been forced to adapt.

For seeds I have Afghan Haze seeds, and so far all 5 I started seem to have germinated to an extent, some better then others. I put then in the paper towels 2 days ago (10/3) and planted them in the soil late last night. It already looks like one is about to break the surface, so I am looking forward to tomorrow.

I'll post some pics of the box either later on tonight or tomorrow at some point.

Peace
:smokin:

[Puffzter]

Gonna be interesting to see those pictures m8. I love a nice getto setup done with what's around the house + some extras.
Good luck and have fun growing.

Puffzter

[hahaitsdoogle]

looking forward to those pictures i will keep an eye on this thread

[oSecretGardeno]

Thanks for stopping by and checking things out, hopefully this box won't disappoint too badly. Let me know any ideas for improvement.

Here are a few of the pics of the box. You can't see the fans, but I will get some better angles next time so you see where they are placed. Right now I am waiting for these ladies to pop up (I am extremely impatient), even though I am pretty sure I can see one about to pop. Hopefully once they get some little leaves going they can take advantage of all the lumens. I am also thinking of going with some LST or some sort of screen, since I have very limited head room.

Let me know what you think of the box. To date I have spent 225.54USD and that is starting completely from scratch. I'll keep you updated. Oh and I am new to this whole posting thing, so hopefully these pics get up alright.

Peace
:smokin:

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[InspectahEX]

good luck, check my log out, i use CFLs in my setup too

[oSecretGardeno]

Alright so it's been a few days since I germinated these ladies and i can see the split shells of each one breaking the surface. I have been sprinkling the surface with water to keep the surface damp as the lights seem to have a tendency to dry the surface out first. This morning was the first time I saw the little fellas and it doesn't seem like they have grown much since.

I know I just need to leave them alone and let them grow, but does anyone know how soon I can expect to see things really happening? I have read about people seeing plant growth of 2"-3" a day. I know that it is usually during flowering or heavy vegetative growth, but I guess after going to work for 12 hours I kind of expected to come home and see them shooting towards the light, or at least a noticeable difference. Oh well, I think I have things set up to work well, so I am hoping only time will tell.

Also, the top of the grow box is hovering around 80-81 degrees so I am a little worried about the heat, although I feel like at the surface of the soil it is probably at an ideal temperate. I had a problem with wiring the fans, so they aren't running right now, but they should be up and running soon.

As a final note, I am planning on creating a couple of yeast/sugar/water systems to pump some CO2 on to those babies once they come up. Any suggestions on the set up? My idea is just a soda bottle with the sugar, water and yeast with a balloon on top with a small hole in it. A simple shake of the bottle and it should reactivate a yeast boost each day, even though it should technically be working all the time. The balloon on top should let me know when the yeast isn't producing CO2 anymore and then I can add some more sugar water. I was told the yeast can technically live forever if sustained properly.

I'll post some new pics when you can really see something (can someone tell me how to do the thumbnail post instead of pasting those huge pics in there)

Keep it real people.
:smokin:

[hahaitsdoogle]

Look forward to watching the growth... :)

[GoldenGraham84]

i think you'd be better off on the heat issue by doing some flat white spray-painting on that interior. also, i'd run both fans as exhuasts for heat issues. reason: negative pressure. do a little reading on negative pressure on these type of forums. i'd explain it, but i just got home after my 2nd twelve hour shift (and tomorrow another one followed by a 24 hour shift the next day and then two more twelve hours days) and my stash is calling me... otherwise best of luck man

[oSecretGardeno]

i think you'd be better off on the heat issue by doing some flat white spray-painting on that interior. also, i'd run both fans as exhuasts for heat issues. reason: negative pressure. do a little reading on negative pressure on these type of forums. i'd explain it, but i just got home after my 2nd twelve hour shift (and tomorrow another one followed by a 24 hour shift the next day and then two more twelve hours days) and my stash is calling me... otherwise best of luck man

Hmm ... interesting thought on the fan. I am sort of limited on my spray painting abilities since this is sort of a secret grow and living in an apartment complex doesn't give me a lot of options for outdoor painting. I am familiar with negative pressure thanks to the days of dorm room smoking, so let me just make sure I have this right. Run both fans as exhaust (out the top area I assume) and just have a hole at the bottom for intake via negative pressure? I'm under the assumption I would need some sort of hole for intake for when I close the box up. What do you think that will do for heat dissipation? I have never done this before, and I don't know a whole lot of fan size vs heat dissipation, so I am just curious as to what I can expect. I assume it also depends on the temperature of the intake air.

Any mathemagicians out there with a CFM vs indoor temp vs outdoor temp = the resulting temperature formula? Ha! I'd like to see that ... no really, I would.

Thanks for the help Golden.

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[GoldenGraham84]

yes, you have the right idea. i'm well smoked now and will go into further depth. the easiest way it was explained to me was to imagine the air being removed at a certain pressure is being replaced by air entering at the same pressure. this is particularly applicable to you since you have two of the exact same fans (if i read your post correctly) pushing and pulling at same pressure and kinda canceling eachother out in a way. as far as that formula goes, i'm too good-looking to do math. :) but you're right the air temp going in should be cooler than air temp coming out. you could do the old a/c thing, but if you switched both fans to exhaust, i'm 99.9% sure your temps will drop. never thank me for help. hopefully everyone here would help anyone who doesn't have a super stupid or forum-redundant question. keep us posted and best of luck.

[oSecretGardeno]

GG84 you are right, I do have two of the same fans, one running in and one running out. I guess my idea was that one could pump in cool while the other pumped out warm, but I suppose that is an inefficient use of the energy. With the use of negative air flow I can move twice the air with the same amount of energy.

I am going to try that tonight and I will update you on the temp change next time. Lets pray for some cute little sproutlings for the AM.

Golden, I won't make the mistake of thanking you for the help again. ;)

Keep the peace everyone.

:smokin:

[GoldenGraham84]

right on. i did some searching for an article i'd seen here before. long post but you could read over the "How much fan do I need?" section. he states that its personal opinion and experience but he has some solid equations and even a little guide to getting temps under control with your fan.
p.s. i also didn't look in that article for it, but i know i remember hearing/reading that your intake should be twice as large as your exhaust (4" exhaust = 8" intake). here's the link to that article.
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/112273-fans-not-just-blowing-hot-air.html

[oSecretGardeno]

Alright, so 2 days ago I see the seed start to pop out and I get all excited. Except now its been almost 2 days and it doesn't look like anything is happening. There are little roots coming out of each seed and into the soil but it doesn't look like it is trying to move upwards. It is kind of just sitting there. I have been misting the soil every 12 hours or so and the temp is at about 80-85 F.

Do you think I am over watering? Or it is too hot? What would make the "plant" very limp and weak like that? I feel like it isn't trying to create a root system or anything.

I am hoping I haven't doomed my babies already.

I'll try to snap some pics and post them but any help would be appreciated.

:smokin:

[oSecretGardeno]

Ok, after researching for a few hours, I think I ended up over watering my little seeds. Basically everytime the top soil looked dry, I would spray some water on it. Turns out that underneath was still fully saturated, so I am assuming I ended up just rotting the seeds.

I've started a couple more seeds, 2 out of the 3 I have left, so hopefully this time I won't mess it up. I am going to use dixie cups this time instead of going into the big pot right away. I have to leave for the weekend so I am hoping to just throw them in there and leave them and come back to some beauties haha.

If anyone can see anything I am blatantly screwing up, please let me know, otherwise, I will update on Monday!

Oh here are some pics of the box with the new intake hole and the exhaust fan. Also there are a couple of pics of the one seedling that may be alive? it could also just be rotting in place, but the green made me think it was possibly surviving a bit? Let me know what you think. Oh and sorry about the big pics, apparently I can't attached thumbnails until I post 50 times.

Peace
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[oSecretGardeno]

Alright, I just got back from a little vacation and my babies are alive! Not bad considering that I attempted to germinate for about 36 hrs, didn't see much happening and so threw them in the soil and left for 3 days. Turns out just letting them be works a lot better then checking on them every hour.

I've got to take care of a few things right now, but I will be posting the new pictures in a couple hours.

Peace
:smokin:

[justanotherbozo]

hey there, just stopping by to see if i can help.

actually, GoldenGraham has given you some good advice, especially
regarding the fans. you will see a big difference with both fans blowing
out the top and pulling from a passive intake at the bottom.

here's a thread i think you'll get some ideas from, and come by my
imaginary garden, you might find some inspiration there as well
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/145025-zebs-pure-cfl-grow-log.html

anyway, good luck

[oSecretGardeno]

Hey bozo, thanks for stopping by and checking things out. After you posted I spent the evening carefully reading about your imaginary garden. It sounded like an amazing set-up and I am a true believer in "ghetto grows" since I too am on a limited budget. You have also inspired me to try a hydro system next grow ... for whatever reason a lot of other posts about creating a homemade hydro system have seemed much too complicated and intricate for me to produce (understanding that I know nothing about hydroponics). Anyways, it seems like with a bit more research (I have around 3 months) and some strategic purchases, I think I should be able to make a beautiful new system for my babies. I am a large advocate of lists and notes, so my new notebook has begun!

Anyways, thanks for the suggestions on the threads, they all contain good information. I get so excited about my ladies that all I can do to keep my mind occupied is sit on here and read all this amazing information.

I'm about to post my new pictures of one of the ladies that came up, so I hope everyone enjoys. I know making that find this afternoon really made my day!

Keep it real.

:smokin:

[oSecretGardeno]

Alright, finally, pics of my new lady. The other one just broke the surface, so assuming I don't kill it somehow in the next 12-24 hrs, it should be up and fighting for a place in the lights with the other one.

I only have one light (105w) running right now because it didn't seem to me that they really needed all the lumens (and the heat that goes with them) at the moment. I guess when both get a little bigger I will turn on the other light.

Oh and just a comment on the exhaust situation: I still only have one fan installed at the top but I have cut a large intake hole towards the bottom (prob 2.5x to 3x the size of the fan exhaust). So far, this is working amazingly well. The temp in the box is staying at a consistent 80F, depending on the outside (outside the box) temperature.

Anyways, I know that this thing is tiny, but I think all growers can understand the first time something comes up and how exciting that moment is.

So let me know what you think.

Peace

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[GoldenGraham84]

Hooray! i know the feeling! 80 degrees isn't bad. not optimal, but definitely do-able. i'm super glad for you and when you get into hydro, i can give a bit of advice there. no expert, but mildly experienced.

[oSecretGardeno]

hey gg84, thanks for sharing in my joy, good to see you again.

Things are going well in general. I have two ladies up now and they seem to growing a decent pace. I guess what I am wondering is a couple of things if anyone out there can help:

1) Watering: They are each in a plastic dixie cup with slots cut in the bottom. I watered them fully before I put them in the soil on Friday, left for 3 days and saw they were up so I gave them a bit more water (a light spraying basically). The next day the leaves started drooping a bit more then when I first saw them so I thought possibly overwatering. I didn't water for two days (now being 48 hrs) and it continued to droop a bit. SO I thought perhaps they didn't have enough water? I stuck my finger in the soil near the edge up to about half way to my second knuckle and it was relatively dry. I gave them a good drink like 15 minutes ago, so I guess I am wondering if I did the right thing? I have been doing all this reading on watering and I can't figure out a good amount or time period for watering. Any help would be hugely appreciated. Any idea on how long until I will be able to tell if the water makes a difference?

2) Re-potting: I've read 5-7 days of growth before re-potting a seedling to a larger container. Assuming the first one (which happens to be the drooping one) came up on Sunday, that makes today 4 days. I was thinking I'd just wait until Friday to re-pot but I don't want to cause any damage be re-potting too early or too late. I assume if I see roots coming out the slots in the bottom then that is a pretty clear sign of being root-bound. Anyways, any suggestion on transplants would be cool.

I'm snapping some pictures right now of the current growth so you can see what I mean by drooping and such.

Keep it real everyone.

:smokin:

[oSecretGardeno]

Well, since no one seems to really respond to any of my questions (other the GG84), I have just started figuring out things on my own. Maybe I post too much, maybe I have lame posts, but whatever, it's working well as a sounding board for me.

I thought about the watering and realized the plants were probably thirsty. The cups were light and they hadn't had a real good drink in almost 5 days. So after giving them a good soaking, they have appearing much better and stronger today. I guess that problem is solved. I think this situation also helped me realize the weight difference of a well watered pot and a dry pot. Should prove useful.

Something else weird happened ... after I drowned 3 of the seeds (or so I thought) in the big pots, I re-germinated and left for the weekend, the new ones sprouted, etc etc. Anyways, this morning I looked in and one of the "drowned" seeds had popped up! It's probably been almost 10 days in the soil. It looks ok so far, it's shooting straight up and still has the shell on. I gave it some water yesterday (realizing it was alive) and it seems to be going well. When the seed casing comes off I will know more.

Alright, I am really going to post pics tonight. Last night I took them and uploaded them then passed out and since they have grown so much more since last night, it's time for some new ones.

Oh, and does anyone know what the veg to flower ratio should be? I mean like height wise. i.e. - if I have a 12" plant and I put it into flowering, is it going to be 36" ? 24" ? I understand there are different factors for each grow, but a general guideline ratio would help me figure out what the hell to do about my lack of head room.

Cool, peace.

:smokin:

[Shovelhandle]

I just noticed this thread for the first time. I like the pictures of the cardstock and foil. I use cardboard too. I'm going to catch more of your grow log later. I'm watching the ball game and got a fine buzz going too. To answer your question on vertical growth from veg to flowering. Well knowing something about how afghani type plants grow for me I top them in veg and usually run 6- 8 weeks and the height is about 20-24". After eight weeks or so of flowering the are about 36" tall. This is under a 400 watt HPS plus 300+ watts of flourescent tubes lighting a one square meter of area. Your results may be different.

Shovelhandle

[oSecretGardeno]

hey shovelhandle, thanks for the info. I was thinking about topping mine also, so that will be useful. I am using CFLs which may make a difference, but we will see. Sox or TB fan?

These are the pics I promised. I installed a second fan on top of the box tonight but it makes a terrible vibrating type noise, and I can't figure out why. It seems like the frequency is reacting to the other fan, maybe I should move it to the opposite corner? Either way, I took it out because it was really fucking annoying. Hopefully I can get it up and running again. It is cooling off here these days so hopefully keeping my room cool will help keep the box cool.

Keep it real.

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[oSecretGardeno]

Ok, so I just re-potted the two beauties and I learned a few things.

1) Make sure the soil is at least a little damp. It had been 2 days since the last watering and the first cup I cut off sort of fell apart in my hand. Unfortunately a bit of the root stayed in the bottom of the cup. I imagine this is going to stress that plant (it was biggest anyways) but hopefully it will re-cooperate quickly and continue growing well. The second one went MUCH better. Came out in one piece and went in real easy.

2) It is difficult to really judge what "watered" and "dry" are. Actually, to figure out those two, is not hard, but that in between phase is difficult. I thought at least 3 days for the seedlings, but after attempting to transplant the first one, I realized it was quite dry and in fact the leaves were already starting to droop. It's true that the plant will really tell you what it wants, you just have to know how to speak its language.

3) Finally, that main root (tap root?) grows really quickly. In 5 days in the cup it was already coiled around the bottom looking for a new place to go.


I suppose for the next couple of days I will be seeing a limited upward growth and assume more underground action. Especially for the one that lost a bit of root, I imagine she will be a little shocked.

Oh ya, I got my new lights today for flowering. Four (4) 55W 2700K CFLs and 2 splitters to go with it. I checked them out and that "warm" color is so much different then the "cool" veg color. Either way, I'm excited.

Hopefully the transplant went well and both plants will grow into strong ladies. Wish me luck!


Peace

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[Shovelhandle]

BoSox fan.
Sounds like a good plan, Secreto

[stoned88911]

Hello secret garden i see that you are very very close to where i am in growth,

I set a spot up in a unused bathroom in the shower, its about 4 feet wide 3 feet in depth and 7-8 feet tall.

I have 8 plants powered by 3 fluros grow lights. I just ordered a 400watt hps with the 430watt agro bulb(has 30% more blue spectrum to help with veg) i cant wait for it.

But anyway one of my plants that came up has 3 of each leaves, anyone know exactly why this happened?

I will post pics when i find my camera tomarrow.

:rastasmoke:

[oSecretGardeno]

Shovel - Hell ya, go BoSox. That game drove me crazy the other night. I am definitely looking forward to tonight.

Stoned - Sounds like you have a pretty nice set up. I always thought a spare shower would be great, but I obv don't have one. Any other info on the grow room? How about Mylar walls? Ventilation? What kind of strains do you have going? The three leaves sounds like a mutant to me! But hey, what do I know?

So the ladies seem to be enjoying their new pots, both have new growth this morning, what I would call their 3rd set of leaves. Since the weather has really cooled down here I have been able to run both lights without causing a heat problem and that means 105W (6720 lumens) per plant! I think they are really enjoying that.

Oh and I am getting some brewers yeast next week so I can set up my little CO2 device and get that pumping. I have read various estimates, but in the end it can increase growth quite a bit. Anything to keep those babies growing!

I'll post pics at some point. I am realizing everyone probably doesn't need to see the little individual growth I see everyday. Sorry, I just get all excited!

PEACE

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[stoned88911]

For my walls i put up tin foil on the walls(non shinny). Ya the shower is awesome dont have 2 worry about spilling water. For the ventalation all i do now is open the door once in a while, but i have a exhaust fan in the celing i could use(ill probly need that when i get the hps going with the extra heat).

[GoldenGraham84]

hey secret, sorry for my posting drought. left my laptop at my friends place and forgot the wife has one too. whoops. so, i guess that during my absence, you had some questions but figured it out yourself. nice work. one thing though. if you repot on time, you're supposed to let the soil dry a little. but hey, you had success and thats what matters. keep us posted and best of luck.

[oSecretGardeno]

hey GG84, good to see you are still alive and kickin'. I figured you were still out there lurking, so no worries. And it turns out that all these questions I have, I tend to figure out as part of the learning process.

Things are going very well here. It's amazing to see the new growth everytime I check. Weekends are the hardest for me because I am so eager to see changes but when I am sitting here all day all I want to do is watch them. I find it's best to just let them do what they need to do.

So I have a couple questions, pertaining to pinching mostly:

Can someone explain the process of pinching verses FIMing? Or even a link to a noob thread would be great. I have attempted to research these on here and there is a lot of good information, but I am finding it difficult to find the EXACT process. At the moment I am debating using the pinching since I have limited vertical space and I am not a huge fan of over-stressing the ladies. I am pretty confident I am going to use LST to get a max of bud sites, something like a SCROG or SOG. I guess we will have to wait and see.

Alright, I'll snap some pics today and post them. Oh and I need someone to check out this freak I have ... I thought I drowned it, it came up like 10 days later and now it has this strange brown spot on the top and it looks like the leaves are trying to come out of the middle? It looks like it was almost "topped" at birth maybe? Take a look and tell me what you think.

Thanks, stay safe everyone.

:stoned:

[oSecretGardeno]

Alright, so here at the pics as promised. But, just a quick note on the little freak. I included a picture of it for other people to see, but upon further inspection I think I have figured something out. It looks like the "tip" has somehow become hard and brown. It basically looks like where the little round leaves are suppose to open up, they simply didn't. Now it appears as though they have created a little loop and the second set of leaves are trying to push out of the side. My original assumption that it was "topped" at birth may have been on the right path. I am very interested in seeing what happens. As of now I have no intention of helping it along unless people have seen this specific problem before and have verifiable information to do something different.

Can't wait to get my yeast next week so I can start the CO2 in there!

Peace everyone

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[GoldenGraham84]

honestly man, i have no idea whats goin on with the freak. as far as pinching and LSTing, they're both ways to limit vertical growth. the pinching technique involves a pinch and then a bend. IMO, i'd say LST is the better bet. it does stand for "low stress training," after all. there's some risk involved in both, but if done correctly, LST is much better. too much guesswork in pinch-bends. basically, what works for me is to carefully make a loop of string that i've soaked in pH correct water, and make a slipknot for one end. then just take your main cola and make sure it is lower than the lowest side shoot (if you have to bend it over the course of 3-4 days, so be it; some strains are brittle-stemmed). that'll make the side shoots focus on growing up to compete and make the plant bushier. just what i do, not the exact definition of LST.

[bigworm1922]

Can't tell from the picture but it might be the seed membrain got stuck on top. It looks like it may have dried on there. It happened to me but it was still wet and I pulled it off with weesers. You might want to post that on the plant problem if you don't get an aswer. If it you don't get an answer in the next day I would think about just taking a very small cut to free them up. That is what I would do. Maybe someone has a better idea.

[justanotherbozo]

Can't tell from the picture but it might be the seed membrain got stuck on top. It looks like it may have dried on there. It happened to me but it was still wet and I pulled it off with weesers. You might want to post that on the plant problem if you don't get an aswer. If it you don't get an answer in the next day I would think about just taking a very small cut to free them up. That is what I would do. Maybe someone has a better idea.

that's what it is, it's stuck. you have to be very gentle when you try to free it,
or you can just let it go and see if it frees itself.

if it's a free seed i'd take the chance of killing it and try to help it along
if that seedling comes from quality genes, i think i'd maybe wait and see
if it freed itself

[oSecretGardeno]

Problem solved. I used some tweezers and gently pulled off the dried membrane. It popped right open so hopefully it will start growing like the others. The tips of the little round leaves are yellowish, I am assuming from where it was dried to it. Hopefully she recovers and catches up.

Time will tell!

Thanks for the quick responses, bozo, GG84 and worm. I truly appreciate the help from the more experienced folks.

I'm wrecked, peace all.

:smokin:

[justanotherbozo]

Problem solved. I used some tweezers and gently pulled off the dried membrane. It popped right open so hopefully it will start growing like the others. The tips of the little round leaves are yellowish, I am assuming from where it was dried to it. Hopefully she recovers and catches up.

Time will tell!

Thanks for the quick responses, bozo, GG84 and worm. I truly appreciate the help from the more experienced folks.

I'm wrecked, peace all.

:smokin:

you're welcome man and don't worry about that first set of leaves, they'll
die later anyway
now that they're open the seedling should grow normally

[bigworm1922]

Yea no problem. Hope all goes well for ya now.

[oSecretGardeno]

Man, these babies really grow quickly. I left for work this morning and the oldest one (by estimates today is her 8th day above ground) had her 2nd set of true leaves (that means 3 including the little round ones, right?). When I got home 12 hours later she was already showing her 3rd set! Both are doing awesome. The little freak is new to the light world and is a bonus as far as I'm concerned, so we'll see what happens with her.

Anyways, tonight is watering night ... I re-potted 3 nights ago and the soil is definitely looking and feeling dry, so I figure it is time. I am definitely still learning the whole water cycle and when plants need what, so it is a work in progress. Any suggestions on watering? Amount, how often, etc. I know it depends a lot on each particular plant, so I am not expecting an exact answer, just advice.

I probably won't snap any pictures until the weekend unless something spectacular happens.

Time to go water the ladies!

Peace all,

:smokin:

[GoldenGraham84]

from what i hear, in soil, you water...:
when: when you can stick your pinky in two inches deep (that sounds nasty) and the soil isn't very moist.
how much: water till there's run-off and then stop

[oSecretGardeno]

from what i hear, in soil, you water...:
when: when you can stick your pinky in two inches deep (that sounds nasty) and the soil isn't very moist.
how much: water till there's run-off and then stop

Thanks GG84, that's exactly what I did. Worked perfectly and the ladies look happy. And even the freak is doing something, but it looks like he may be a dwarf. I'd be interested in seeing how a dwarfed plant does.

GG84, I'm assuming you are a hydro man?

I think I'm going to throw some pics up tonight since I'm bored.

Peace all.

:smokin:

[GoldenGraham84]

yeah i do hydro (ebb/flow) with straight CFLs all the way through veg and flower. works for me. glad to hear your littluns are doing well!

[oSecretGardeno]

GG84, thanks for stoppin by. I am definitely looking into some sort of hydro for the next grow. I am pretty positive I am going to make a clone bubbler so I can attempt to keep a consistent SOG going.

Ladies are looking great. I got my yeast today so I set up a little trial CO2 generator. We'll see how it works out.

I just wanted to post some pics. They are growing so quickly now! 3rd and 4th set of true leaves coming out. They are staying nice and short also, which I am assuming is from adequate light. This is definitely key for my grow to reduce stretch so that I can take advantage of the low head room.

Alright the pics are as follows:

1. Big girl close up
2. The runt next to the CO2 bottle
3. The other big girl, about a day behind
4. Good shot of the big girl, she is leaning because of the light, I turned her and she'll head back by morning
5. The full room. Biggest girl, front left, 2nd place, back middle, runt and CO2 bottle from right.


Enjoy! Let me know if anyone sees anything going in the wrong direction... Much appreciated.

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http://boards.cannabis.com/members/osecretgardeno-albums-grow-1-picture806-runt.jpg
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[oSecretGardeno]

damn, these ladies are growing crazy everyday. Even the runt is growing. The biggest of the plants (lets pray she is a female) is showing huge growth everytime I look. I have trouble keeping her away from the lights! I love the fact that they are using all that light and really producing now.

I think today is watering day! Should be fun!

I love these ladies!

Peace always,

:smokin:

[GoldenGraham84]

good to hear about the vigorous growth! hope that biggun is a girl!

[oSecretGardeno]

Hey whats up GG84? Thanks for stopping by again!! Definitely praying for girls ... as everyone on this site is haha.

I am about to go shopping for my clone bubbler supplies to make sure I have that all set up so I can cut some clones in a week or two. I was thinking about a few changes and/or additions, so tell me what you think:

1) Turn the current box into a permanent flowering box
2) Build a half sized clone/veg room.
3) Run a constant SOG with harvests every 2 weeks or so.
4) Move to DSW hydro.

Ambitious? I'd say so.

I am going to start with the hydro clone bubbler and a new clone box and then we can move on from there.

I'll post more details later when I am feeling up to it. Right now I'm going to water and snap some pics!

Peace all

:smokin:

[GoldenGraham84]

righteous! i actually just made a bubble cloner the other day. but i made the mistake of buying the cheapest air pump from wal-mart. had to go back and trade up for the bigger one. now i'm pleased. if you get a chance, buy a nice thick BLACK container (keeps the duct tape fiasco at bay). another lesson learned for me. the one clone i took and put into the bubbler, i don't expect to live. took it from a plant thats 40 days into flower! hope it all works out for ya man.

[oSecretGardeno]

hey GG84, I had a couple of questions (or anyone else watching for that matter). I am a virgin to hydro so I'd be interested to know what you use for nutes? I was going to use the suggestion of superthrive and thrivealive B-1 for the clones, but I don't really know what is best for normal vegging and flowering. I kinda wanted to get it all at once, so let me know. Also, how many clones do you cut at a time? just one? Have you taken clones from a vegging mother?

Sorry the question assault, I am just dying for knowledge on this. I have checked out a bunch of threads, but would like to hear what people have used and how things turned out.

Thanks!

:smokin:

[icbh707]

up too late and found your thread. im hooked, i cant wait to see what happens next, maybe its just the kush talking.
i love the enthusiasm. after so many runs, run after run after run...i think i lost that feeling you have when you look at your girls.
im about ready to toss the all 1000hps and make myself a little box room with some cfls...although my wife would leave due to insufficient funds...hhheeyyy!
topping- i top as soon as i have 4 usable nodes, that splits your top bud into 4 top buds
clones and mothering- ive made lots of clones, when my clone guy was out of business, but did it by not topping and over vegging a little and then cut a few inches off the top to make one clone and removing all branches from the bottom up to the top 4, and using them to make about 4-5 more. this way i was able to get 5-6 per plant and still able to flower that plant a few days later. i did this 2 or 3 times with no adverse effects to my yield. i would not do it more then that as a clone from a clone from a clone ... will degrade the genetics. i had no room for a mother room which is the right way to do it. clones are for sale everywhere now so now i just pay the $10.
watering- i teach a lot of my friends and thats the hardest thing for a noob, not to do anything. its funny because the whole time youre talking about overwatering and not knowing when to water, im thinking just pick it up, get used to the way they feel, then youll know when they feel light, and then you say the same thing later on. good stuff.
very nice work and keep the passion
ps- you think you stare at them a lot now just wait til youre 5 days from harvest.

[GoldenGraham84]

well said icbh707. as far as the nutes go with hydroponics, i'd suggest botanicare or fox farm. both have good hydro nutes and both offer veg and flower nutes. i'd get the superthrive for cloning too. i have a four plant ebb/flow table and four site cloner, so in a perfect world i'd take one clone every 2-3 weeks and have four clones at seperate growth stages and four mature plants at different stages of flowering. <--did that make sense?

[oSecretGardeno]

hey icbh707 and GG84, thanks for stopping by again, or for the first time in the case of icbh707.

GG84 - Good info on the cloning and hydro bins, I will definitely look into fox farm and botanicare for my clone box.
icbh707 - I'm glad you can enjoy my enthusiasm. I feel like I look at them so much everyday I know everything about them. Could you explain your topping a bit more? I'd appreciate the info.

A little update for what's going on. These babies are growing up strong. The biggest one is absolutely huge and the second one isn't doing bad either. Even the runt has been growing at a pretty steady rate (granted it is at least a week behind). I'll post some pics tonight so people can see; it's been 6 days since the last ones, so I'm sure you will see a large difference.

A bought some of the supplies for my clone bubbler. Pump, airstones, tubing, bin, sealant, pH testing supplies, etc. I put some of the air stones in and created holes for the tubes then seals the tubes in. I'll test it out tomorrow, but either way I am excited. Tomorrow I'll order some Superthrive and ThriveAlive so I'll have that stuff when I'm ready. Once I have it all built I'll take some pics for everyone to enjoy.

I'll post the small issues I am having when I post the pics.

Keep safe everyone,

:smokin:

[bigworm1922]

It's about time fore a picture update to :D

[oSecretGardeno]

Hey bigworm - you called it, here are the pics.

Issues: The second lady is very short and stout and the leaves are kinda of dragging/drooping on the ground. I am thinking I overwatered her? Or maybe she got some sort of water lock problem because I realized today my water was kinda of high pH (7.4). I don't really know much about that. The biggest one is huge and growing upwards rather properly.

I actually raised the light by the 2nd place one to encourage her to stretch up a bit, but no dice yet. She seems to be growing at a slower rate also.

Alright the pics are as follows:

1) the whole box, big lady in back, 2nd place in front left, runt in front right, Co2 in the middle
2) the biggest lady
3) the biggest lady minus the light above her
4) 2nd place lady
5) 2nd place lady blurry close up
6) the runt (and actually a 4th one came up randomly so I put it in that pot, I figure I will just see what happens with those ladies.

Let me know what you think about the 2nd place one, it's possible I'm just paranoid.

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/osecretgardeno-albums-grow-1-picture860-all.jpg
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/osecretgardeno-albums-grow-1-picture861-big-lady1.jpg
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http://boards.cannabis.com/members/osecretgardeno-albums-grow-1-picture865-runt.jpg

[BlazedinBA]

secretgarden, nice looking plants! hope there all ladies! im doing an indoor grow right now and just started flowering, i was wondering if u could help me out with your c02 creation? could u explain your method and how to create a ghetto c02 tank? thanks i appreciate it a lot...i jus started a thread on my new grow, check out how ghetto my setup is!! bunch of random cfl's and then the 1000w hps, its prettty funny looking. http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/164825-new-grow.html

any info on that c02 setup would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again!

[oSecretGardeno]

hey blazed, thanks for stopping by. I'd love to explain my little CO2 machine but I have to remind you, it is super ghetto.

It is actually really simple. All you need is the following:

A bottle with a top
Water
Sugar
Live Yeast

Put warm water in the bottle, add some sugar and shake it so that it dissolves. Add the live yeast, shake again. Cut a little hole in the cap of the bottle to let the CO2 out. Should take an hour or two to fully activate, but you will see bubbles as long as it is active. I shake occasionally to reactivate and when I cover the hole I can feel the pressure of it trying to escape. The yeast eats the sugar water and gives off alcohol and CO2. I've heard you can get rid of the alcohol and put in fresh sugar solution and keep the yeast alive, but I haven't figured out how yet. My bottles last about a week each and yeast costs next to nothing, so it's not a big deal to just restart the whole thing. I hope that helps. It's ghetto, but I think it is actually working.

Peace all,

:smokin:

[GoldenGraham84]

nice little co2 setup. i think there's some posts on here about how to keep the yeast alive. hope the girls are doing well.

[oSecretGardeno]

whats up everyone...

I just wanted to comment on a couple of things. I was looking at my set up, and it seems to me that the #1 lady was probably growing a little better because it had the other light at its side promoting more growth versus 2nd place lady only had the one on top the whole time. I switched their placements to see if there is a real difference.

These ladies are growing like crazy. They all have secondary growth (i made that up) coming from in between each node, so I imagine that is a good sign. Being near 100% indica (at least that's what they say), they are staying low and bushy with those wide leaves as advertised, so that's a good thing.

I was actually wondering if anyone out there had any experience with cloning pure indicas that are short and stocky?? I don't know if stinky is out there watching this, but maybe you have some advice on this? It just seems like every clone thing I see is about sativas or crosses, or something that has stretched a bit, making it easier to choose nice clones. Maybe I'm just bitching too much.

One last thing: Today I came and noticed that my room actually smelled a bit. Not like burnt herb, but more like a fresh green plant smell I suppose with a hint of greenery? Hard to describe, I'm sure most growers understand. I went and got some air fresheners and odor killers and put them by the exhaust fan, so hopefully that helps out. I suppose at some point I'll have to figure out some sort of carbon scrubber. Uggg.

Bubble cloner is built and runs well. I ordered my SuperThrive and ThriveAlive today, so hopefully I'll have that by the time I want to clone! I am very excited to say the least haha.

It is day 18 since they popped I believe. Any idea when I can start cloning or do I need to wait until maturity? I figure I'll go another 14 days or so before I flip the lights, but of course we will have to see!!

Peace all,

:smokin:

[oSecretGardeno]

I have a new lady friend and she is coming over tomorrow for the first time ... the grow is in the closet BUT at night the light is obvious and of course the noise from the fan ... my question is:

If I shut the grow down for 3-9 hours (obviously depending on how things go) it won't force flowering, right? I assume not. It would be back on 24/0 in 9 hrs max, but is it stressing them to do that?

Kinda silly, i know, but what can I say, I love my ladies ;)

Thanks for the help,

:smokin:

[GoldenGraham84]

yeah it'll stress them but it shouldn't be that bad. keep it to a minimum though. and be checking for nanners after the temporary shut down is said and done. good to hear about the good growth and the bubble cloner completion, keep up the good work. :jointsmile:

[killa12345]

Hey secret.....
the plants look great......How old are they in the 10.28 pics? another thing...i know you like the homemaid co2 but i really dont think the CFL are strong enough to utilize the CO2 but if you think it makes a difference keep on it bro.....cant wait to see how this log turns out!

[oSecretGardeno]

GG84 - Thanks for the advice. Hopefully I can keep the shut down to a minimum.

Killa - Thanks for stopping in! In the 10.28 pics the biggest one is 17 days, the second one is 16 days and the runt is at least a week behind, if not more since the seed membrane didn't come off for a while. These are all days since it broke the soil.

A note on the homemade CO2. I'm sure it's not putting out any sort of huge amount of CO2 and the difference might be negligible (i wish I had the time and space to do a full control test) BUT I have read that plants do better in higher temps with extra CO2. When I first started it was still pretty warm here so I figured what the hell, maybe CO2 will encourage growth at higher temps. Now during the day the box is about 82 and at night about 78, so I think I'm okay.

I know the CFLs aren't that strong, but I have something around 4850 lumen/sq ft which I thought was pretty decent coverage. Killa, could you explain why you don't think the CO2 would have an effect? I appreciate the input.

Time for work.

Peace all,
:smokin:

[BlazedinBA]

secretgarden,
thanks for the tutorial, really appreciate it...im gonna try it out after i get my hands on some yeast!!! and yea ive had some stretch to my plants but im not too worried i got plenty of room for these ladies to spread out....thanks for checking out my grow, im def gonna be watching this one!!

[icbh707]

looking good! maybe a little overwater on #2, leaves look ribbed and curled down at the tips, should go away in a few days if you dry it out a bit.
looks to me like you have about 7 nodes on #1-2 with the bottom nodes having the longest branches, @1in long? now, i use 600hps to veg not cfl so its hard for me to know if that cloning method i was telling you about would work and how long it would take to get them to the point where you could take the cuttings. ok, lets say i want to flower when my girls are about 12in. (w/ 600hps from 4" clone, @2 weeks for sativa and 3 weeks for indica) i would over veg for a few days to a week until they were @ 15" and this should grow those branches at the bottom nodes from @ 2-3" to 3-4" which will be much easer to make clones out of. then i would cut the main stock back to whichever node was at the 12" mark, use the top 3" as a cutting, then i would count down 4 nodes and keep those. this should leave me with maybe 3-4 or so branches at the bottom of the plant that should be @ 3-4" long. i would cut those off as close to the main stock as i could and clone them. i would then veg the plants for a few more days until they recover from the shock and i could see new growth and then i would flower them.
this is for big plants under lots of light, soooo....
if you do want to top, dont want to mother, and maybe just get a few cuttings, i would top now by removing the newest node, which right now is just the little nub at the top of the plant. at the point youre at now that should leave you with about 7 nodes, that after topping, should all start growing taller together trying to become the new main stock. hopefully in a week or 2 your bottom 1" branches will be 4-3" long and you could take 1-2 cuttings off each plant. then finish with more veg time until they recover, and then go to flower.
are you looking at me like this now? :wtf:

ps. i use GH nutes and love em. just de-boned my first light today, looks like im getting about 1.1# per 1000. bubba kush, turned purp, powder coated, @3 week veg, 8 week finish, topped, 9 per light, no co2.

pps. I WOULD NOT TURN OFF FOR LESS THAN 6 HRS IF YOU HAVE BEEN RUNNING 24HRS. use a flor or a flash light or something to keep light on them. you need to try to keep killing that hormone that causes them to flower. light is the only thing that kills it. even if you turn it on after youve done your business and shes in the shower. any little bit of light will help.

[Shovelhandle]

yeh, those are nice healthy plants, Bub! I'm gonna keep look here.

[oSecretGardeno]

Shovel - Good to see you here! I see you all over the forum, so I'm glad to see you checking out my log.

Blazed - Glad I could be of help. I can't vouch for huge increase in yields, but I figure every little bit helps, right? I'll be watching yours.

icbh707 - I agree with the idea of over-water on plant #2. I sort of forgot that big#1 and lady#2 are different in size (and a day in age) so when I watered them on the same schedule, I probably was over-watering lady#2 by a little ... I imagine it adds up after a few waters. Also, I'm not going to lie, the first time I read your post through, I definitely gave that exact look (:wtf:). But after I read it again, a little slower, it actually makes a lot of sense. I'm not going to lie, I have a lot of questions for you, and I imagine I will have more as time goes on, so here's a start (if you don't mind):

1) It sounds like you have cloned/topped high percentage indicas. How do you feel about topping them? Does the yield compare or does it cause problems? For some reason I had the impression indicas didn't always do as well if topped? (I can't source that)
2) Do you find it difficult when cloning a short bushy indica, or just more of a delicate process? I am nervous if you can't tell.
3) Do you use the bottom 3-4 branches (nodes) for your main clones? or ones higher up? I figure the lowest ones will be biggest, but I don't know if bigger is always better.

I'll get more to you later, especially when it actually comes time to cut my babies up. Any help now would be highly appreciated!

Thanks for checking things out everyone. I will definitely try to keep the shut-down to a minimum tonight. But lets say worst case scenario, the project is shut down for 12 hours (worst case possible), if I go back to 24/0, will it just start "flowering" (I know its not actually flowering perse) and then take some time to revert back to veg or will I really have f-ed things up? Sorry I'm so anal. I know icbh707 said no more then 6 hours, so maybe ill try to throw a little light in there to atleast keep that hormone out of there (I imagine complete darkness is the killer).

Peace all!

:smokin:

[Shovelhandle]

What ever happens under the circumstances beyond our control is 'lady luck'. Sometimes for all our attention and energies strange (bad) things happen. The other times, for all our faults and mistakes things work out better than they should have. So, what we do is wait and see how it goes.

Bon Chance!

[icbh707]

you just dont get as many clones out of the indica in the same amount of time. keep the top 4 nodes then use any lower branches that are big enough to make into clones. this also gives more space at the bottom which is nice for a few reasons.
if i did any more than 9 per light i would not top. topping with 9 per 1000 i can cover the light footprint a little better and by splitting my top bud into 4 smaller tops it lowers my chance of mold (kush loves to mold). no increase in yield as far as i can tell just functional. some of the smaller ones i dont top end up about the same size as the ones i do.
they could go to flower with 8hrs of dark or 10 but 12 will for sure do it. they could just be set back a few days by this or not. it will stress them but its hard to say what effects that stress will have on them. they will continue to veg once the light goes back.
you can grow a plant to finish, change the lighting back to veg, add grow nutes and after a while branches will start growing out of the buds.

[oSecretGardeno]

I hear that shov, usually when I leave things alone, they tend to do the best. I just like to increase my chances of "lady luck" by avoiding the avoidable. But you are right, sometimes trying to avoid all those problems only makes things worse.


Thanks for the words of wisdom from a wise man!

Peace,

:smokin:

[GoldenGraham84]

yay! veteran helpers! one thing i didn't see mentioned though, the lower branches are best for cloning because they have the highest concentration of hormones required for rooting (just thought i'd throw that out there). on a completely off-topic note, i got two opium strain clones today and i will be keeping an eye on them. seen pics on here of main colas big as a carton of newports!

[SwishaSweetz4Me]

Just read over your Grow Log. NICE! Seems like your "Ghetto" setup is working. I thought my Grow Space was ghetto but u got my Topped :D:D Anyways looks like you got things going good. I hope to see good results in the Future. I myself am growing with CFL's and i got to say I like them =DD Anways You Can check out my Log for any Advice My grow seems to be similar to yours. Anyways the link is in the Signature. My Plants ar about 4weeks Into VEG.
Best of luck to you man. Keep it the Grow!-
-Swish

[oSecretGardeno]

icbh707 - Thanks for the info on the cloning. How many days into veg before you clone? Do I need to wait until they are technically "mature"? I am obviously nervous about cutting up my babies. I am still trying to decide if I should do just LST or if I should top. Either way I am going to need to keep my girls low and hopefully have them cover the whole area.

When I first started I thought I would throw these girls into flowering after 3 weeks or so, so that I could have some quick bud ready for Christmas, but now I am enjoying this so much that I think I am going to take my time and see what I can create.

GG84 -Good stuff about the cloning. What do you think about the questions above? Oh and I'd love to hear more about those opium strains, so let me know how they are!

Swisha - haha, I do have you beat, but us ghetto growers gotta stick together! You at least have a real case! It looks like yours is going pretty well, I will definitely keep an eye on it, so keep up the good work!

I am going to post a few pics in a second, even though I posted somewhat recently. I had to go in there and snap a few pics because I am going to post on the problems forum about lady#2. I know she isn't falling apart or anything, but I'd like to correct any issues I have before I cause any real damage, ya know? It's just strange, the other plants in the exact same environment are doing differently, so I just want to see what people think.

Peace all,

:smokin:

[oSecretGardeno]

So these ladies are at about 20 days I think. 19 for the smaller and god only knows for the mini one. I think I may have been wrong with my timeline when I answered killa before. Anyways here are the pics:

1) The little runt
2) The big #1 lady
3) The curled leaf on 2nd place
4) Overall pic of 2nd place.

Let me know what you guys think. Thanks!

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/osecretgardeno-albums-grow-1-picture877-little-one.jpg
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/osecretgardeno-albums-grow-1-picture876-lady-1.jpg
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/osecretgardeno-albums-grow-1-picture875-curled-leaf.jpg
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/osecretgardeno-albums-grow-1-picture874-2nd-place.jpg

[oSecretGardeno]

So I went in there today to snap a new avatar pic and I lifted up the big one to see if there were any root problems. Well it looks like there might be. There are roots attempting to come out each drainage hole. So what does that mean for me? I guess I have two options:

1) Expand the current pot by cutting out the bottom and putting it in a square pan
2) Re-pot in an entirely new pot.

I know it seems silly to think of just expanding the bottom, but the issue is that I am not sure if I actually have space for a new pot. My only option would be to move to a square pot that is taller I suppose. I have a limited foot print so I am kind of out of room. The issue with a new square pot is that I need specific dimensions to make sure it fits in the box properly, and that is why I went with the circle ones before.

Anyone use an online store to that has tons of different dimensions of pots?

Thanks!

Peace all,

-Secret
:smokin:

[oSecretGardeno]

Ok, I topped the big one. I read up a lot about the strain and said fuck it and just did it. I knew if I kept thinking about it I'd only beat myself up about it, so I did it.

I hope it will come out nice!!

I hate hurting my ladies, I almost wanted to cry when I cut her haha.

Oh well, better in the end ... I hope.

Peace all,

:smokin:

[SwishaSweetz4Me]

Ok, I topped the big one. I read up a lot about the strain and said fuck it and just did it. I knew if I kept thinking about it I'd only beat myself up about it, so I did it.

I hope it will come out nice!!

I hate hurting my ladies, I almost wanted to cry when I cut her haha.

Oh well, better in the end ... I hope.

Peace all,

:smokin:

Looks Great! Cant wait to see sum bud:rastasmoke:

[GoldenGraham84]

secret couldn't find any online stores that didn't want an arm and a leg for their product. but i come bearing a picture that will make you hopeful! this is one of my side branches. main cola is about twice that size.

[GoldenGraham84]

oh yeah and here's a pic of that opium strain.

Cannabis.com Forums Message Boards - Medical Marijuana, Cannabis Club, Dispensary, News (http://boards.cannabis.com/attachments/indoor-growing/198981d1219967302-paradise-op)
ium-pics-opium.jpg

[oSecretGardeno]

GG84 - Good to hear from you again. I ended up getting them from bghydro.com because I had to get some other nutes from there anyways, and they had the size that i really needed (10"x10"). So hopefully they will be here sometime this week and I can repot. Oh and that opium strain: that looks like a large nugget. Almost the size of a carton! Is it yours? If so, enjoy!

The 2nd place girl still has curling leaves, although it is continuing to have new growth, just at a slower rate then the other ones. She should be getting pretty dry now, so I am starting to think it might not be over-watering. At this point I'm thinking it might be some sort of nute lock up due to the pH probs so hopefully I can work that out (pH problems explained below)

So the biggest girl has a couple leaves with some yellow spots on them now. Needless to say I spent the day researching and it is probably one of two things:

1) pH problems. I am pretty sure the last time I watered I watered with water that was like 7.8 or higher, which is not good. It turns out my tap water is just fine for the soil I'm using so I am just going to flush them all the next time I water (prob tomorrow, maybe tuesday?). If I am just using tap, can I theoretically put them in the shower and just run it for a while, or will that end up drowning them?

2) Could be a pest problem. I haven't seen any larvae or anything, but you never know. There was another user on the problems forum with very similar looking leaves, so I'll try some different things if the flush doesn't work.

Overall I'm happy with progress. The big lady is topped and so I am waiting to see how that goes. I really want to LST the other one but it is so damn short and bushy, I don't even know where to start haha.

As for cloning, I should have everything I need to start cloning this week. I am thinking I will cut clones next weekend, so the ladies will be almost 30 days old. Then I will let them recover for a few days and then start the flowering. So let's say we will shoot for flowering on maybe the 11th of Nov. I'd like to have them sexed before thanksgiving!

Keep safe all,

-secret
:smokin:

[GoldenGraham84]

no the opium pic is from a grower on here. can't remember who... about the flush: i wouldn't put them in the shower. take the time to measure out the volume of soil you're using (approximate) in each planter. multiply this by 3 and you have the neccessary amount of h2o for leaching each individual planter. e.g.: 3L planter of soil needs 9L of water for a leach. doing this once a month flushes out build-ups of fertilizer salts and can help prevent many problems. that "pest problem" could be a nutrient issue caused by the improper pH you mentioned. improper pH causes nutrient uptake issues.

[SwishaSweetz4Me]

Looks good. I had similar problems. I stopped watering so much. Seems to be Lookin Good for you. Nice Bud gg84 Anyone Know how to change my thread from closet grow to Grow Log Section?
-Swisha

Keep it good work

[icbh707]

hey guys,
ive been up to my elbows in bud and dirt. everythings cool now as over half the bud is dry and trimmed and all babies are in their 5gal pots and looking happy. i'll take a pic of the finished bud tonight...speaking of finished bud, very nice looking stuff you got there gg84. you are an artist.
congrats on the top secretgarden! you did it! how many nodes do you have? 7? you might want to think about removing the leaves that hang in the dirt. if you lift those leaves in your next pics so we can see the size of those branches i'll have a little better idea of when you could take some cuttings. now that you topped those lower guys will start to take off. lst will be very hard to do with those short stocky guys. i would top and then use the scrog to cover every inch of that box.
the ph sounds very high. mine comes out of the tap at about 7.3 and 2ml/gal of ph/down usually is just right to bring it down to 6.0. what nutes are you using?
oh crap, gotta go, they are looking good though, keep up the good work.
a little info on scrog and 40/60

CannaStats - The ScrOG Technique (http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/scrogorama.htm)

scroghttp://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBR_enUS264US264&q=scroghttp://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBR_enUS264US264&q=scrog)

[oSecretGardeno]

GG84 - Thanks for the heads up on the flush. I will take my time tomorrow and do it properly with 3x the volume of the soil. I have a feeling that the pH issue is most likely my problem.

Swisha - I checked out your log again, looking great! That lady has really taken off. I was comparing your growth to mine and it was very interesting.

icbh - Sound like you are in a "sticky" situation over there. Haha, I love playing in the dirt! As for nodes, I believe I cut off what would be node #7, so 6 I guess? When I take everything out tomorrow for my flush I will snap some pics of the undergrowth. It is really crazy under there to be honest. New growth everywhere ... nodes coming from nodes coming from nodes haha. As for the pH, it naturally comes out of the faucet at like 7.2 or so, I had just added some lime because I am an idiot and didn't have a pH meter yet and thought it was too low. No nutes yet.

Thanks for the info on the SCROG but the link to 40/60 didn't work. Post again?

I'll let everyone know how things turn out tomorrow after the flush and such. And I'll get some pics up of the undergrowth so maybe someone can suggest where I could take some clones from?

Bubbler nutes and new bigger pots should be here sometime this week. Lots of fun! More tomorrow.

Stay safe,

-Secret
:smokin:

[oSecretGardeno]

Just a quick note to myself and others that I watered today. In fact I flushed. The pH going in was about 7.3, the pH coming out was about 6.4. I am happy with that and I am hoping it will solve some of what seem to be pH problems. It had been 6 or 7 days since I last watered and some of the lower/internal leaves seemed to be wilting, so it was clear that I had covered the over-watering issue. It seems that suddenly the 2nd place girl is showing a lot of new growth, so thats a good thing.

Had to raise the lights again too. :thumbsup: That makes me happy haha.

The goddamn square pots I ordered are on backorder. NOT COOL! I wanted those asap since I can see the roots attempting to come out the bottom, so that is bumming me out. Patience is a true virtue they say; Apparently I still need to learn that.

I didn't snap any pics because the ladies were soaked and looked ridiculous to say the least. Tomorrow night after they brush of some water and perk back up I'll grab some, with the under growth and such. I think I have identified a couple good clone potentials.

Assuming 2nd place keeps pushing hard I will top her either tomorrow or the day after.

So exciting!

Peace all,

:smokin:

[oSecretGardeno]

Bored tonight watching all this election BS, so I snapped some pics and I'm going to throw them up. They are as follows:

1) Underneath #1Lady
2) Underneath 2ndPlace (notice wilting inner leaves)
3) 2ndPlace shot
4) #1Lady in front, half of 2ndPlace in back
5) Shot of 2ndPlace

No runt this time, she just got watered and looked PATHETIC haha. After watering (actually proper pH flush) both plants perked up well, even 2ndPlace is showing great new growth and the low leaves are actually perking up. I'm starting to think its just the ridiculous growth of the upper leaves that is weighing them down.

Let me know what you think.

[icbh707]

now youre talkin. looks to me like #1 has at least 2 or 3 or 4 branches that are about 3-4" long. time to take clones. also time to top #2 and strech those lower branches out.
i would cut off that little bit of fluffy little leaves at the base of #1. then start by cutting the branch off where it meets the stock. lets say you use the lowest branch to the right in pic#1, you should remove that small leaf with the brown spots. in fact i never use the leaves going up the side of the branch, i only use the top leaves of each branch. make sure you take the fan leaf off when you take the branch off. then just follow the instructions of whatever cloning method youre using. make sure you record the date and mark them separate from the ones you will take from #2. you should have roots in about 2 weeks. easy stuff.
sorry, the link to 40/60 is
CannaStats - The 40/60 Phenomena (http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/4060.htm)

[GoldenGraham84]

hey secret-
is that bubble cloner up and running? cause you could just throw your clones in there now with 5.8-6.2pH water and add nutes when you receive them. update on my end: i cloned a branch that was about 1/2" thick at the stem, so i bet you could at least get them started without nutes. i'll have to post pics later. sorry hope i'm not hijacking.

[oSecretGardeno]

ichb707 - I topped 2ndPlace lady tonight. I think it was a good choice. Your clone advice was key! I am nervous so I am going to wait till I get my nutes on Monday (scheduled delivery my friends) even though people are suggesting the bubble cloner by itself.

GG84 - You can hijack my thread anytime, just go for it!! Post pics anytime you want my friend.

Nutes come on Monday, pots come on Tuesday. I will clone and re-pot next week, sooo, that flowering date is set back for sure. Let's call it the 15th. I'd like to know sex before Thanksgiving, but we will see.

I'm pretty drunk so I'lll check this out later.

Peace all,

-secret
:smokin:

[GoldenGraham84]

okay thanks. just for encouragement, really. i believe in you! :jointsmile: i'll quick snap some pics of the clones i got rootin' with only pH correct water... just a minute...

[GoldenGraham84]

okay the 1st pic is a little stringy plant i got from a friend. it was really slow to flower and in bad health when i received it, so i wanted a clone to see if i could do better from scratch with it. this was put in the cloner 10 days ago i think, and roots in 5 for sure.crappy pic.

second pic is really nice bag seed, taken as a clone from another friend's ScrOG. more of a branch, really. this is the strain that i'm flowering currently. i posted a pic on here of one of the side branch buds, i think. this was put in the cloner 7 days ago and roots in day 5 also. again, crappy picture, i apologize.

purely pH corrected water and a single 14" airstone with 2600cc/min.-rated air pump.:jointsmile:

[SwishaSweetz4Me]

Nice rootz :thumbsup: Secret. Things are looking good Mayne! I hope everything is going well. Hope to see sum more pics. And as for the election, even tho i live in "Zimbabwe" Michigan's Purposal 1 which would allow Medicinal Marijuana Use was Just Passed :D:thumbsup:;):rasta::rastasmoke::pimp::smokin::sm okin: I dunno why i really care. I live in Africa LOL
-Swisha

Or maybe i can just say i live in michigan because now i am not breakinf the rules cause my state now is legally able to provide medical marijuana?
if Not

I LOVE AFRICA

[oSecretGardeno]

Hello all,

GG84 - I love the pics of the clone. Both of those look like ridiculous little fellas to clone but they came out great. That tiny one is unbelievable! And all just normal pH water too? Amazing what those bubble cloners can do. 5 days for each of those ... amazing. Being my first time and all, I'm just going to wait another 4 days and clone on Monday when I get my nutes. :thumbsup:

Swisha - Haha! Michigan or Africa? Africa or Michigan ... close enough. Good to hear about your law change but don't forget you still need that script from your doc! Thanks for stopping by ...

Alright so I topped the 2nd place girl last night and she looks pretty healthy. The #1lady is looking great with her two new main stems growing up strong! Also her other growth is booming. Is it true the strongest growers tend to be males?

I have yellow spots on a few leaves of the #1lady, which is worrying me. If they get worse then I guess I'll figure something out, but so far it appears to be a deficiency of some sort. I figure i've got to get some nutes soon anyways. God so much going on in my fucking head right now! I'm getting a little nutty.

Actually, things are growing so quickly that I am starting to worry a little about height restrictions. I'm ok right now BUT, if I clone on Monday (4 more days), let it recover for 3 or 4 days and we are talking about the 15th already at the best. DAMN IT. Can I re-pot once I start flowering? Like a couple of days in? Otherwise I am worried I am going to A) run out head room or B) run out of root room. Either way something has to give!

Also I'm going away for 4 days for thanksgiving. I think I am going to have to put up some sort of screen so they don't grow into the lights. It might hurt it for a couple days BUT I don't have much of a choice I suppose. Any suggestions on leaving plants for a few days? Esp during flower stretch?

Any suggestion on the spots? Or the transplant at early flowering? So many questions, sorry guys.

Thanks all,

Peace,

Secret.

[GoldenGraham84]

as far as soil goes, i'm kinda clueless. however, i do have in my possession the "grower's bible" by jorge cervantes. this helps to give some feel for soil grows for me.
dunno about those spots, but you can use planter size to limit height.
that screen might be a good idea if you're gonna be away four days.

[oSecretGardeno]

Just took them out to water, snapped some pics. Let me know what you think. I'll do a little more info in the next post, but for now here are the pics. Check out how big #1Lady is!

1) #1Lady about to take a shower
2) #1Lady side shot before shower
3) 2ndPlace girl
4) Undergrowth of 2nd place girl, which looks like a damn jungle, it's unbelievable.
5) The "runt" who is no longer a runt!

Leave some feedback!

Peace all!

[oSecretGardeno]

couple more pics:

1) #1Lady after her shower, back in the room
2) The whole room. Starting to get full!!

[GoldenGraham84]

nicely done friend. lil fella (hopefully not) is catching up! hooray! any decisions on the screen?

[Shovelhandle]

Them are real nice. I've grow afghani and afghani kind weed. Your grow should be super.

[dlovejah]

Hey looking good.. Another nice grow Im late too.. I swear those fattys look like you ran them under 20,000 lumens of T5... Good Job... Im along for the ride.. Good luck with your grow....d:rastasmoke:

[oSecretGardeno]

gg84 - Always around man, i appreciate the support! I wish I could have a goddamn conference call with you tomorrow when I clone these ladies haha. A little nervous to say the least.

Shov - Always good to see you here. I'm hoping things turn out well but one step at a time right?

D - These girls are blowing up, sometimes I have to check out what bulbs I am actually using haha. I am at about 5000 lumens/sq ft so I think that is helping for sure. Thanks for stopping in!

A few new developments. The #1Lady had some weird yellow spotting on some of the way lower leaves and a couple of upper leaves. For some reason it didn't concern me a whole lot. After the pH flush things seemed alright and after extensive research I am thinking it is possible it is a little nitrogen deficiency? They are almost a month old and I was told that is about the length of time for those "time release nutes" to run out ... and they are surely old enough to start taking some juice.

SO i went and got some pretty general nutes. Some lame ass brand name (scotts or something i'm too lazy to get up and look) with 10-15-10. Now, I understand high P is necessary for flowering, not veg, so it would appear that I have chosen the wrong type. But I plan on throwing her into flowering tomorrow or the next day so I am not too worried about it. I put probably 1/8th strength in tonight with the watering, so we will see what happens. At least it has some N in it so that will help if that is the problem.

I found a "local" hydro store, so I am going to go there tomorrow and get my pH down so I can start the cloner tomorrow even without the cloning nutes. Very exciting in day in the neighborhood.

I wanna switch to flowering RIGHT NOW, but patience is a virtue. Or so they say ... I'll clone tomorrow, switch on maybe tues or wed and let the fun begin! I have the 2700K lights all ready so I am ready to go.

Anyone have suggestions on lighting for the clone box? I figure maybe a 26W or two, since they don't need a whole lot?

Keep it real all.

Peace,

-Secret

:smokin:

[GoldenGraham84]

ha ha! conference call... :jointsmile: you'll do great, man. and if not, you can take clones up to 2 weeks into flower. hell, i took that tiny clone 40+ days into flower! besides, it's all a learning experience.

for mine, i use 2- 23W (they're either 5000 or 6500 kelvin). i mist the leaves with pH'ed water about 3-4 times a day, and use clear 16oz glasses as humidity domes. good to hear you're blazing ahead without clone nutes! au natural, ha ha! have you heard of the technique involving removing some of the outer stem with a razor to expose the xylem (giving more area for roots to sprout)? if not, i can clue you in. its always worked for me. actually, the opium clones i got have not rooted yet, and i didn't do this to them. :(
not saying that clones aren't possible without it, but it improves the strike rate for me.

[oSecretGardeno]

So I watered a couple of days ago with that new 10-15-10 fertilizer, thinking that I would be helping out with a nitrogen deficiency. WRONG. Looks like I may have burned them a bit. I only did 5 drops a gallon, and they suggest 7 drops a quart! Anyways, I must have fucked something up, maybe the fertz raised the pH or something?

I came home today and on the #1Lday there is a new growth piece with dried and yellowed tips. I am not sooo concerned about this, but I am more concerned that I may have hurt the new growth on the 2ndPlace girl. Where I cut the top, it is very slow to grow, very little new growth where there should be the two new tops ... and almost appears as if one may be getting dry too which would not be good. If those die off I am just going to say F it and throw it into flowering.

Also, I read a post where stinky said wait 2 weeks after topping before flowering, she was very adamant about this. Needless to say, it has been 10 days and I am a bit eager to start flowering (due to height constraints). Anyone have any suggestions about when I can start?

I'll post some pics of my issues. Quick responses are appreciated!

Thanks,

-Secret

[oSecretGardeno]

Alright here are the pics:

1) Burn tips on new growth. It actually appears to be on that only one
2) new "growth" from the topping 9 days ago. Although this one has always been a lot slower, so what can I expect? Does it seem to be turning brown to anyone else?
3) Overall room. Check out #1Lady she is out of control. Please be a girl, please be a girl, please be a girl!

Let me know! For now I'm just going to let them be, as that seems to work best.
I guess I'll flush again if need be next time they are ready for some aqua.

-secret

[GoldenGraham84]

hey secret-
thanks for the kind words on my log. hopefully my clones take off and i can really update it then. just wanted to put out there what i have and what i plan.
as far as your plants look, awesome.
those tips don't look bad. unless it gets worse, no worries.
that new growth looks really healthy. it could be me, but it doesn't look brown at all.
i'll be praying to the canna-gods that you have all girls there. :)
oh yeah, how's the clone work coming?
best wishes -GG84

[oSecretGardeno]

what up gg84 -

Things are going well with the ladies, other then the fact that 2ndPlace is slowwww to grow the new tops. I get my new larger pots tomorrow, so I will repot tomorrow night. I switched to flowering this evening at least to tell sex. I thought I saw some female preflowers on the big girl soooo that would be REALLY exciting. Even the runt is huge now so it was definitely time to switch things.

Cloning is happening on Saturday. I keep wimping out and making excuses, but I am missing a few important parts and I want it to go really well so I want to be prepared. At least at this point there will be PLENTY of nodes to chop!

Can't wait to see your perpetual grow! I'd like to do that too, but we'll see how it goes!

Peace,

- Secret

[oSecretGardeno]

Came home after first day of flowering and I am pretty sure the big one is a boy. Had some ball like things right where the tops split. On top of that I went to repot and the 2 big ones went well but the smaller one (that has been growing well lately) I fucked up big time. The rootball did not come out well. And I just made a mess.

Now I am just praying on the 2ndPlace lady to show me some loving. Oh and a little help from god.

GOD.

[oSecretGardeno]

heyo,

So I am pretty sure the big one is a boy, no more "balls" yet but no white pistles. BUT, the 2nd place girl, DEFINITELY A CHICK!!

Break out the pink paint we have a girl!! wooo

How do people feel about putting them back into veg for another week or so? Will that stress them too much? It's only been 3 days of flowering. It's just that the 2nd place girl probably could use some more branch growth, especially on the topping.

This is really important, i'd like to know but 9pm this evening (lights out) if anyone can help!!

Thanks!

-secret

[killa12345]

Whats up Secret...

Man the log is coming along nicely.....bro id just leave them in Flower....If your only gonna throw them in veg for another 1-2 week, here is something to consider....first the stress is gonna stop their growth for a few days 5-7 days....Then even if you go 2 extra week you might only see a small size difference in growth.....

You hae plenty of plants.....in post 100 they all look of good size and health....why mess with a nice grow! But its all your choice in the end....keep up the nice work.:thumbsup:

[oSecretGardeno]

hey killa,

I did some reading up on the topic after I posted and people have definitely agreed with you. It takes almost a week to revert, and it is stressful, so at this point I am just going to leave them in flower. As soon as I am POSITIVE that the big one is a male, ill chop it and make some more room for the lady.

They are all in good health, even the runt is looking pretty good, so I am not too worried.

Thanks for the advice bro, I just needed a little encouragement!

I'll post pics later and let everyone know how its going.

Peace,

-secret

[MissDaMeaner]

Nice Gro with the CFL's

[oSecretGardeno]

So things seem to be going pretty well. I've gotten over the fact that I won't have all ladies. I am still not positive on the big one, but the 2ndPlace girl definitely is a CHICK so thats a good thing. Obviously the runt being a little less mature is slower to show it's sex. Time will tell!

Has anyone found that the first place to see sex is where you top it? I feel like the ones I topped showed sex the day I started flowering right at that topping point, but has shown nothing else yet.

I also set up my clone box, so that is all set and ready to go. I am thinking I will clone tomorrow night, but we'll see how it goes ... sometimes I am just so damn tired when I get home from work that I just feel like going to bed.

One question before the pics:

The 2nd Place girl has tons of undergrowth but there are some huge fan leaves that I feel are sucking up all the light. Does anyone have any experience with maybe tying down the fan leaves or tying them into a little bundle so that they take less space? I know they are the source of energy for the plant, but at the same time I'd love for some of that inner growth to actually ... well grow. Any help, let me know.

Pics in a sec.

Peace all,

-secret

[GoldenGraham84]

its probably better if you just tuck them down and out of the way rather than tying them down or together. can't wait for pics!

[oSecretGardeno]

I didn't have a lot of time so I couldn't pull them all out separately and couldn't even move the lights for better pics so hopefully you can see enough. They are as follows:

1) Outside of new clone box
2) A little view of the inside of the box with the bubble cloner. I have the thermo on top just because I am testing out the temps and such with the fan off/on with the heating pad etc etc.
3) Flower room. #1Lady front let, 2ndPlace in back, runt in front right.
4) Same pic little different angle.

Needless to say these ladies are getting out of control haha. I've had to raise the lights almost every day!

Enjoy!

[GoldenGraham84]

my, my, my! thats one good lookin cloner! well done, sir. well done. flowering certaintly has beefed up the others, huh? thanks for following my pre-grow and i'm glad i was some inspiration for that great-looking cloner you constructed. way prettier than mine. :jointsmile:

[oSecretGardeno]

So i finally admitted to myself that the big one is a boy. Multiple balls on multiple nodes kind of gave it away so I said to hell with him and chopped his ass down.

Good news is that 2ndPlace girl is growing strong and showing more pistols :thumbsup:, so we definitely have a girl here. The little runt (who is actually quite big) is showing the beginning of something ... not sure if it is male or female yet though, I'll probably know in a couple of days.

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for stopping by. I'll post more information and pics when I am done cloning. For now you can check out a few of these:

1) Balls on the big boy (just chopped).
2) Garden before the chopping.
3) A pretty fan leaf, look how indica that baby is!
4) The room after the chop (i lowered some of the lights so there will be light going in on the sides for the moment, hopefully more coverage)
5) Pistols on the girl. Tough to see, I circled them but still tough. Hopefully better pics next time.

Take care all,

-Secret

[GoldenGraham84]

sad to hear about the boy. always seems to be the big one huh? looking good otherwise and i'm excited to see more cloner pics! :thumbsup:

[magiccity445]

i almost freaked when i saw your grow box it looks (almost) exactly like mines:eek:. check my grow log...
but your plants are looking pretty damn good keep it up:thumbsup:

[icbh707]

hey hey,
been without the laptop for a while and busy setting up a new room but ive been checking in with the iphone here and there. sorry about the #1.
looks like you got about a week before you see the first bud. looking good
those leaves are big solar panels, i would just let them do their thing. with kush i usually start picking those off the last week or two to let some light down the the lower branches to help get rid of the lighter pale green.
keep up the good work!
my lambs bread is now 2 weeks into flower, just showed the first buds last night, about 3ft tall and look great. the sour diesel for the new room is topped, 2 days into veg, and from what all my friends that have grown it before keep saying, its been veging for 2 days too long. the new room wont be done until fri so we'll see how big they get with a 4-5 day veg.

[icbh707]

my new security cam has a motion sensor that takes a video if somebody opens the door then emails me a pic of the person then my email sends an alert to my phone. no matter where i am if the door opens i know about it within a minute.

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/icbh707-albums-room-picture1047-bufferingimage-2.jpg

[oSecretGardeno]

magic - def looks very similar! us ghetto growers know how to roll haha.
icbh707 - glad to see you are back. things are still going well here, i had to chop the other boy so now I am down to the lone girl. it's alright though, she loves the spot lite. sounds like things are going well for you too. i LOVE the security camera, I wish i had the loot to do that right now, but maybe someday.

Just woke up at 8 am and I am still drunk from last night. DAMNIT. F-ing work ...

Peace all,

-secret

[SwishaSweetz4Me]

Damn you got sum FAT ass leafs. HAh, Sucks you got a male. I was hopin for all females for you. Im glad i got 1/1 fem. You plants look awsome. Cant wait till u get them a few weeks into flower. I bet there gonna be huge. Well Good Luck Cant wait to see final product!
-Swisha

[oSecretGardeno]

What up swisha,

Actually I got two boys. So the big queen is all by herself now (minus the clones in a different box :thumbsup:) She is loving all the space though, you can see where she was a little hurt from being against the wall. And she gets 220 watts to herself!

Hopefully things keep movin along well and we'll have a monsters in a few weeks!

Thanks for stoppin in man, I love watchin your grow too!

Peace,

-Secret

[oSecretGardeno]

So things have been going well lately. I finally took 2 clones after days of being scared shitless. I only took two to see how well it would work and if it goes well I'll take another one (I think 4 is probably my max in the flower room, so I will go with 3 for now). I think they are a little small, but so far they look pretty good. No roots yet but it has only been a little over 24 hours. A few questions for the bubble cloner ... maybe GG84 could give me some personal experience?

1) How often should I change the solution?
2) How much would you say the solution drops over a course of 4 or 5 days?
3) What is the ideal temperature and humidity % of the clone room?

I think I am in decent shape, but we shall see in the next few days. I have to admit though for my first experience with cloning ... I'd say the most difficult part of the entire thing is attempting to pick out good clones. I feel like all clone guides are from people that have some huge mother plant that is completely mature with alternating nodes and 1000s of beautiful options for clones. I would have loved to have just seen a picture of some noob doing their first clone run haha. Oh well. Other then that the actual process of doing it so far hasn't been too difficult. Just my opinion of course.

Anyways, I snapped some pics so here they are:

1) Clone room and two clones.
2) Big Beauty before her bath.
3) A shot of her in the grow room
4) Another more overhead shot.

Needless to say she is growing wonderfully. Tons of bud sites everywhere, white hairs coming out of lots of nodes and where I topped is growing furiously. She loves having the house to herself :D

She is looking very strong so I am hoping that her clones will prove to be strong ladies also. Anyways check her out and let me know what you think ...

Peace all,

- Secret

[cman20118ut]

looking extremely good man...i'm gonna start watching for sure

[GoldenGraham84]

whats up secret
i've been changing my cloner res every week. thats been working for me. i add just a small amount of bloom boost fert to the water now, and i also got a small aquarium heater to boost waters temp to about 68. to ensure humidity until the clones roots, i have the bottoms of 2 liter coke bottles to use as humidity domes. mist 2-4 times a day, (depending on if i work or not), and keep the bottles over them with a small gap to provide some airflow, while keeping most moisture in.

[zebulon]

Just found this thread, and i have to say you are doing really great....
Good luck, and I will def. keep an eye on this log....:thumbsup:

[oSecretGardeno]

cman - thanks for stopping in and the kind words!

zebulon - glad you found my log, i look forward to seeing you back here again!

GG84 - always a pleasure. Thanks for the tips on the cloner. I knew the humidity had to be high, but I was definitely failing in that department. I put some temporary domes made of old gatorade botles on them tonight and misted them so hopefully that will hold them until i can put something better on. It actually looks like the tips were suffering from some heat stress, so I turned the exhaust fan on. Hopefully things will be ok.

The girl is growing like crazy. I have to raise the lights almost everyday. Tomorrow I have to rig something together re the screen/netting so that she wont grow into the lights while I'm gone. I am going to be very creative so I'll post some pics before I leave on Wed.

I'll be gone a total of 96 hours or so, I think she will be fine if I give her a huge watering before I leave. She'll prob be pretty thirsty when I get back but I imagine she will be ok.

Keep leaving comments and suggestions! I love checking this log all the time haha.

Peace all,

-secret

[oSecretGardeno]

Got back early this morning from 4 days away and things are looking great. The big lady held out well under her fencing and the two top colas were tryin to get through when I took it off. Things are also starting to get very hairy, even some of the side colas. I'm thinking of tying down the two main ones so that everything will get similar light.

The clones are doing ok. I couldn't mist at all for 3 days and the one closest to the light definitely felt it; it has some burnt tips now which is unfortunate. The good news is that there appear to be some roots coming out of at least one of them, so that's a good thing. It took 7 days, but i did fuck around with the temps of the reservoir and box itself. I think things are ideal now, and that's why I'm getting better results.

I took some pics before I left and I am going to take some more pics after I change the water in the reservoir. I'll post them in a bit.

Hope everyone had a pleasent holiday.

Peace all,

-Secret

[oSecretGardeno]

Alright here are the first set of pics, as follows:

1) Room with "time away" fencing
2) Another fencing shot a little lower
3) Clones
4) Bottom tip of clone ... still no roots, although it seems like new growth on top (I'm going to look at the original clone pics to see)
5) Bottom part of clone. Should it be brown like that or still green?

More to come...

[oSecretGardeno]

Here are the rest of the pics:

1) Side shot of big girl
2) Top shot
3) Close up of one top cola
4) Close up of other top cola

Let me know what you guys think. Is it normal to have such skinny top leaves on those colas, even in an indica strain?

Peace,

-Secret

[killa12345]

:thumbsup:man secret this log is coming out beautifully.....they look great....and i love the cloner....personally i do it the old fashion way...just call me stubborn, but ive been whating to build me a bubble cloner for a year now!.... Awesome.....two thumb up!

[oSecretGardeno]

what up killa,

thanks for stopping by and the kind words! i just read through your CH9 Green Bud hempy grow log and DAMN that girl looks huge! Do you think the hempy buckets are what make them grow so damn fast? Awesome! Also your clones are gorgeous, I wouldn't change a thing if I were you.

Just wanted to note today is flowering day 18. I'll make sure to post that from now on.

Peace all,

-Secret

[oSecretGardeno]

So the bad news is that I think the clones are dying. All the tips are yellowing and dying, even on the "new" growth and there is still no evidence of rooting, and it's been 10 days. I will post some pictures in a minute, but is there anything anyone can suggest? The set-up is as follows:

Bubble cloner with 2.5 gal H20, 1 drop SuperThrive and 3ml ThriveAlive per gallon.
1 26-W CFL
79degrees in clone box
Humidity domes that probably don't get enough misting since I am not around much.


The "rooting" parts are basically brown at this point and there is no evidence of any roots coming out. Are these clones done for or are they saveable? I am 20 days into flower, how difficult is it to pull new clones?

GG84 are you out there? Or Bozo? I know you both have bubble cloners with huge success.

HELP!!

- Secret

[GoldenGraham84]

i don't think they're done for. if the yellowing progresses to consume 50%+ of leaf area, then they're probably goners. keep up the misting as often as possible. the finer the mist, the better. i also spray the interior of the dome, and thats keeps it moist-er longer. i'm crossing fingers for your lil ladies! i'm sure it'll work out. all chalks up to learning!
stay safe
-GG84

[oSecretGardeno]

thanks for the words of encouragement GG84. I was sitting there re-reading some of your posts about your cloner and thinking about what I could have possibly done wrong. Then it hit me. pH!!

I checked the pH in the bubbler. Off the fucking charts. Like 8+ (I know, terrible noob mistake). Got my pH down, and it took a ton, but I got it down to around 6 or a little lower. Hopefully this saves my little babies. I figure I will be able to tell in the next 4-5 days if there is hope still. It will be quite a comeback to say the least!

Other then that I LSTed the big lady a bit. I never realized how much fun it can be to put the girls in bondage! I think it will allow a lot more light into the middle :thumbsup:

Any ideas on "autowatering"? Going to be away for approx 9 days in 2 weeks. Very very nervous.

Take care all and keep posting!

- Secret

[GoldenGraham84]

ah, yes. the often-forgotten but oh-so-important pH. you'll want to check/adjust pH after adding your superthrive and thrive-alive (i'm actually not sure if they're pH buffered or not, but testing pH right before you give the water to the plants is a good habit to get into) and check it often enough at first to get an idea of when you will need to change your reservoir. <---holy run-on sentence, batman

ph 5.8-6.2 will be good for the bubbler. i may just be a little too high, but thoughts that i've heard something about clones prefering a higher (or maybe lower) pH are creeping into my head. i'll research that and get back to you... anywhos, 5.8-6.2 has worked for mine.

ha ha! bondage... funny... hope the LST proves effective for you. i want to see the before and after of when you leave for those 9 days! speaking of that, have you seen the little hand-blown glass globes with a little stem coming out of them? I HAVE NO IDEA IF THESE WORK WELL, LET ALONE FOR CANNABIS, but it might be something to look into. lets see if i can find a link...

Aqua Globesâ?¢ watering bulbs Plant Watering System. (http://www.buyaquaglobes.com)

now (as i am an eternal skeptic), keep in mind that this is the company-run site, and i didn't bother to look for any reviews. thats up to you! i've also seen these sold at my local gardening store. perhaps someone else on the forums has tried them...? hope it helps!
stay safe everyone.
-GG84

[oSecretGardeno]

We've got roots!! On both clones! One of them is pretty yellow on the lower leaves, so if she makes it I'll be pretty impressed. The other one is looking pretty good though. Either way, probably on Sunday or so (depending on root growth of course) I will put them in soil and see if I can give them a fighting chance.

My plan is to shut down the cloner and use the clone box as a veg room. I'll probably only use 1 - 105W 6500K CFL in this one for the moment and use some major LSTing / clone cutting to keep 'em short of the moment (I know, cutting clones would infer that I need to restart the cloner, but I'll deal with that when I get there). The box is only 20" high I think so the max I can probably get is 12"-14" before I put her in the flower box.

I'll take some pics either tonight or tomorrow and let everyone see how things are going.

Peace all,

-Secret

[GoldenGraham84]

the ol' pH theory proved correct. nice one, secret :thumbsup:

[oSecretGardeno]

haha, what up GG84.

damn pH theory. i tell ya it's the root of every f-ing problem from soil to hydro. Either way, I am glad I got it figured out.

see ya around buddy,

-secret

[oSecretGardeno]

Just snapped some pics for the lady and the clones roots so I thought I'd throw them up. As follows:

1) Entire big lady
2) A little closer. The main colas are on the far right and left (from LSTing)
3) Main top close up
4) More Close ups
5) Close up again

Let me know what you think of her.

[oSecretGardeno]

Just a few not so great pics of the roots from the cloner. How do I know when the roots are ready to move on to soil?

The pics are pretty self-explainatory. I didn't even put picks of the plants because one looks like total shit (probs a goner) and the other one doesn't look all that pretty. Wish I had figured out the pH thing at the beginning! Oh well ...

Peace all,

-Secret

[hydrocannabis]

wow she looks great and the clones too.

make sure to wate and transplant the clones after they have grown around 1 inch of roots.

thats how I was told how to do it. thats was 5 years when I first started trying to clone my plants.
the 1 inch roots will get a hold of the medium better thus keeping the plants healthyer.

:thumbsup::jointsmile:

[oSecretGardeno]

Thanks hydro, i appreciate the advice and compliments.

Today was rather productive. The clones were rooting amazingly well so I put them into soil and watered them with a tiny bit of SuperThrive, ThriveAlive and veg nutes to help them get going. And I do mean a tiny ... I don't want to burn these babies.

I converted the clone box into a veg room and put the 105W 6500K in there. With the exhaust and passive intake it is actually staying plenty cool in there which is a nice surprise. I think around 72 last time I checked. Let's just hope these girls perk up in their new home.

I just got my flower nutes and will be watering with them today. I have FF Tiger Bloom (2-8-4) and Dr. Hornby's Bug Bud (0-10-40). Hopefully that will start to fatten up those buds (not that I am complaining).

The clones are ugly so I'm going to wait until the grow a bit before snapping pics.

Stay safe everyone,

-secret

[oSecretGardeno]

I was in the room today, bored so I snapped some pics. It's amazing the growth in the buds after only 3 days with their new flower nutes. I can honestly see a difference.

Let me know what you think.

Peace,

-secret

Oh ya, and there are some pink pistils in each of the tops. I don't think they are bad but anyone ever run into that? Any reasons why?

[MonkeyBone]

Very nice grow man only with CFLs!

What's the height of your big momma?
And how long it will take 'till harvest?

Come see my grow man! CFLs only too!!

:thumbsup:

[cman20118ut]

i have to say these are some pretty plants for some cfl's....looking forward to seeing this plant harvested down the road

[oSecretGardeno]

monkey - thanks for stopping by. I checked out your log and things are looking pretty darn good. I love to see another CFLer out there.

cman - things are coming along, i can't wait until harvest either!


As for the height of my girl, without breaking into the box and measuring her ... my guess is 24" give or take 2". Everyday she gets bigger!

Also, today is exactly week 4 for flowering, and according to the company, it's a 7-9 week bloomer. SO, if I harvest some earlyish (just mostly cloud triches, a couple ambers) which I am planning to do for a more heady high, then lets say 21 more days? That puts me at ... shit, new years. On the far end of that spectrum add another 14 days puts me at mid Jan.

Shit I did not realize how soon that is. I gotta get my shit together haha.

Thanks for stoppin by,

-secret

[MonkeyBone]

You need to get low RH % dude. They'll produce more resins and thc! I think. :cool:

We want pics!

:thumbsup:

[oSecretGardeno]

??? My RH% is only like 30-40%, which is pretty low / acceptable. Where do you get that info?

I'll pose more pics this weekend.

Peace,

- Secret

[GoldenGraham84]

30% humidity is good. 40% humidity is acceptable. a bit high, but fine. as far as i know, low RH is to deter mold. never heard anything about higher THC content. find a link if thats true, monkeybone

[MonkeyBone]

It's an assumption. If it's dry the plant will protect itself from this so the flowers are more resineous and stuff...Found nothing on more thc tho...It's only a mental thing I think :stoned:

[oSecretGardeno]

Ya, I don't have a mold problem, and actually the exhaust fan and passive intake really moves the air around a lot in there. I don't have a ton of options on this grow for lowering the the RH, but perhaps next grow I will add some more things.

Monkey, I have heard that low humidity increase resin, which is a good thing, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't effect THC. I've been reading up on advanced techniques to increase resin at the end and I'll let you guys know if I choose something.

One clone died (I knew it would). The other clone has been spending all its energy growing underground but thats fine. She looks pretty gross right now, but at this point I don't really care. If she dies, thats life (or death i suppose?), if not, she'll be a survivor. When I get back from holiday I'm going to pop some more seeds so we'll see how that goes!

On the big girl the "40% stretch period" is over for sure so now the buds are just getting fat and trichy ! I'm good with that ;)

I'll post pics on Saturday or Sunday.

Peace all and thanks for stopping by GG and Monkey!

-Secret

[GoldenGraham84]

yeah, them clones look ugly for about two weeks. same here. afraid to post pics of the uggies. judgemental canncom... :)

[MonkeyBone]

Wow! They really grow 40% more when you put them in flowering mode? 40% taller and 40% wider? So if plants are 24" tall and 12" wide they'll be almost 36" tall and 18" wide! Big fuc*ing plants! (For a closet of 5' by 5')!

Question: When you put them to flower, do you use nitrogen when you fertilize them? Not as much as vegetation mode but a little or nothing at all?

Updates on my log! New home!

:thumbsup:

[killa12345]

what up killa,

thanks for stopping by and the kind words! i just read through your CH9 Green Bud hempy grow log and DAMN that girl looks huge! Do you think the hempy buckets are what make them grow so damn fast? Awesome! Also your clones are gorgeous, I wouldn't change a thing if I were you.

Just wanted to note today is flowering day 18. I'll make sure to post that from now on.

Peace all,

-Secret

Man secret....the clones look good the plants look great...what else can i can...pure beauty....And too you question....yeah i fully dedicate the speed and growth to the hempy buckets....its not quite as fast and full as a full hydro setup but its no where close to as slow as soil grow...somewhere in the middle as far as speed...The method is super easy....you should try it one day!

[oSecretGardeno]

what up monkey bone?

The 40% I was referring to can be found here:
40/60 Theory (http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/4060.htm)

It's an interesting theory to say the least, and I think it is pretty true. Now I see the buds growing a little upwards, but mostly getting fat and icy. Just how I like my women ... lol! i kid i kid. But in all honesty it's kind of nice because I can pretty confidently raise my lights and leave them there while I'm gone without worrying about 2-3" growth everyday ya know?

killa - about the hempy buckets:
1) I saw you have used up to 11L buckets and also used just like a coffee bucket size too. What dictates the size of the buckets? It seems like they are much smaller then soil buckets.
2) What sort of nutes do you end up using?
3) What do you start your seeds/ clones in?

If you have any links to more info on those buckets I'd love to see it.

Alright, I'll post some pictures later on, I gotta take a f-ing nap first haha.

Peace all!

[killa12345]

what up monkey bone?

The 40% I was referring to can be found here:
40/60 Theory (http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/4060.htm)

It's an interesting theory to say the least, and I think it is pretty true. Now I see the buds growing a little upwards, but mostly getting fat and icy. Just how I like my women ... lol! i kid i kid. But in all honesty it's kind of nice because I can pretty confidently raise my lights and leave them there while I'm gone without worrying about 2-3" growth everyday ya know?

killa - about the hempy buckets:
1) I saw you have used up to 11L buckets and also used just like a coffee bucket size too. What dictates the size of the buckets? It seems like they are much smaller then soil buckets.
2) What sort of nutes do you end up using?
3) What do you start your seeds/ clones in?

If you have any links to more info on those buckets I'd love to see it.

Alright, I'll post some pictures later on, I gotta take a f-ing nap first haha.

Peace all!

the size difference in buckets usually has to do with the veg that i give the plants....since from my experience plants usually dont grow many roots during flowering....so the size of the buckets usually has to do with my veg period....i run the 32 oz bottles with a very short veg....they never get rootbound even with close to a 2 week veg....the coffee containers i will run up to 30 days of veg....and the 11 lts anything more than 30 days of veg.....i think the sizes are almost perfect for the period of veg....and all the sizes and time periods have never shown any plant being rootbound....

Nutes....I strictly run fox farm HYDRO nutes...the whole line up...grow big hydro, tiger bloom, big bloom, open seseme, bestie bloom, and cha ching..

And i start all my seeds and clones in jiffy pellets but you can use straight perlite or the perlite/verm combo i use...

In my mixed female log....me and dooobster go over pretty detailed directions on hempy buckets.....unfortunatly the origanal method was post by a HG420 member Hempy and that site is no longer up! Any further questions feel free to ask!

[MonkeyBone]

ok ok thanks man I now understand the 40/60 thing.

Good infos!

:thumbsup:

[oSecretGardeno]

killa - thanks for all the info, i will definitely read up more on these hempy buckets and try them out for me next grow. It actually looks like a pretty good way to eliminate some of the bucket height I have issues with now.

I just ordered some new seeds from the Attitude Seed Bank. I went in a totally different direction this time ... Dutch Passion Durban Poison Feminized. 100% sativa is the EXACT opposite of what I'm doing now. But since I feel like I have a handle on it at the moment, why not? It also came with 5 free G13 Lab Power Skunk and 1 Feminized Gigabud seed. So we should have a nice variety if anything, right?

I am also going to expand the grow areas so it should allow for some more serious stuff. More on that later. ;)

Pics in a second gotta get them off my camera.

-secret

[oSecretGardeno]

Check out this girl now! I actually took her out of her home and smelled her up close for the first time and it was one of those amazing smells that makes your teeth tingle. God I can't wait.

Pics as follows:

1) The whole thing, you can see the height.
2) Top down
3) Back in her room
4) A pretty nug there with pink hairs!
5) Another fatty

more coming ...

[oSecretGardeno]

1) Closer of all the tops
2) Bottom fan leaves turning lighter green (I'm assuming on the way to yellow).

Yellowing leaves I am guessing is because they are just getting a real lack of light at this point combined with some sort of need for Nitrogen?

I'll give them a touch of nitrogen next feeding but I don't want to get them too spoiled haha.

Ok I'm done. Hollar at yur boy.

-secret

[MonkeyBone]

Very nice pics man..

Don't bother with the yellowing bottom leaves, they'll fall by themselves a way or another.

I can't wait for mines to give me flowers like this!

:thumbsup:

[icbh707]

yaaaahhhhooooo!!!!! wow... i mean, look at you. i think if i ever get the time i need to reread this log again. makes me want to do one. whats it been, a month? ive been skimming through on my phone (you are bookmarked) checking out the pics the best i can. the wife has finals and has the laptop 24/7.
she looks great. how long do you think the stretch phase was? my bubba kush is about 3 weeks and finishes in about 8. the purp i do is about the same but you normally let it go a few days longer to get the color. where as this lambs breath is almost a 4 week stretch and can take as long as 9 weeks. fighting these things back with a weed eater. anyways its just a guide, its really all about the high you want to get out of it. i like the early cut, its a much more active high. and the kush is a body high already. so...i forgot where i was going with this. i lost a lambs cola in an unfortunate super cropping accident and for some reason felt the need to smoke half of it tonight. i need to go to bed.
oh, you ever think about LST. its too late for a "real" lst but maybe some little eye bolts in the wall and cut some long strips of twist-ties. to start pulling those tall ladies out and down.
the yellowing on the bottom leaves looks normal. it actually dont look that bad under normal light. at the point where you are now i have usually taken off the bottom 4-6 fan leaves.
i little advise, i have been using GH nutes for years and i recommend them to everybody i talk to, i buddy of mine went from GH to house and garden but i just love the weight and quality GH puts out. flora or nova, i use flora....cause i can buy it 6.5 gal at a time. the only non GH stuff i use is cal/mag and this newer stuff Bloom from Australia, i use their final. 0-0-0 but i think it really does a lot. and once in a while i use a non Gh sub culture.
ok bed for real now

707

[oSecretGardeno]

monkeybone - thanks for the tip, I wasn't all that worried but I hate to see my girl lose anything :( ya know?

good to see you back 707! Hope your wife has done well on those finals. As for when I'm going to pick ... I'll probably pick relatively early. The 100% indica is already to inclined to give you that body numbing couch lock, so I might as well pick it a little early for a more heady high. I'll leave some way till the end too (for night time), but primarily it will be early picking.

Thanks for the nute advise too, I went with Dr Hornbarys Big Bud and FF Tiger Bloom for this grow, we'll see how it turns out.

I kind of miss the explosive growth of veg and early flower. She's still growing but nothing like it was before. I am hoping the colas get a bit longer (and fatter of course).

So ripped, I gots to lay down.

Stay safe all,

-secret

[fUNKYcDOG]

i am certainly learning alot from this thread, this is some great buds and plants....


:joint1::greenthumb::greenthumb:

[oSecretGardeno]

i am certainly learning alot from this thread, this is some great buds and plants....


:joint1::greenthumb::greenthumb:

thanks bro, i'm glad you enjoy it!

[fUNKYcDOG]

thanks bro, i'm glad you enjoy it!

+k :jointsmile:

[dodo5678]

Very awesome log. I'm excited to see how this turns out. Good Job :smokin:

[oSecretGardeno]

I am going to threadjack my own thread for a moment.

So I was really high and I was looking around reading some of these grow logs and it occurred to me all these logs are very similar to pregnancies. First the obvious: the seed sprouts, thats a good start to the baby, then you find out her sex some day (same with babies) and then you chop her and smoke her (kind of like "birth" minus the chopping and smoking.

Anyways, the point is that it is really interesting to see how members act. It's like we are just a bunch of buddies and so someone gets pregnant and we all call (post) and congratulate. That is when you will see a large influx of posts. Then we all kinda back off doing our own thing, but always watching that belly grow, which is usually a time when most people lurk and don't post as often. Once you sex her and we found out it's a girl everyone posts again kind of like coming over to rub her belly ya know. The we all kind of go back to lurking but when she is harvested everyone comes in to pass out the cigars and shit. That's when you get the most posts.

I'm a numbers man I can't help it.

Please forgive me for high posting sometimes I just can't help it.

[killa12345]

I am going to threadjack my own thread for a moment.

So I was really high and I was looking around reading some of these grow logs and it occurred to me all these logs are very similar to pregnancies. First the obvious: the seed sprouts, thats a good start to the baby, then you find out her sex some day (same with babies) and then you chop her and smoke her (kind of like "birth" minus the chopping and smoking.

Anyways, the point is that it is really interesting to see how members act. It's like we are just a bunch of buddies and so someone gets pregnant and we all call (post) and congratulate. That is when you will see a large influx of posts. Then we all kinda back off doing our own thing, but always watching that belly grow, which is usually a time when most people lurk and don't post as often. Once you sex her and we found out it's a girl everyone posts again kind of like coming over to rub her belly ya know. The we all kind of go back to lurking but when she is harvested everyone comes in to pass out the cigars and shit. That's when you get the most posts.

I'm a numbers man I can't help it.

Please forgive me for high posting sometimes I just can't help it.

This is sooo true! LOL

[theeviltrees]

Whoop! the boards back!:thumbsup:

Looking forward to seeing the progress with everything SecretGarden!

Just started my own grow with CFL's - plants are a mere 4 days old

So I am using your efforts as a point of reference, similar set up as yours...

1x 65w and 1 x 125w CFL 6500k for veg
and 1 x 85w and 1 x 125w CFL 2700k for the latter.
All in a wardrobe painted white inside.

Hope its all going well!?

and happy new year!!!

TET.

[oSecretGardeno]

Very strange, it looks like we lost some posts.

My computer got all fucked up recently so I gotta get my pics of my external and hopefully I can play catch up.

Looks like my entire other thread is gone too!

I'll be back,

-sg

[oSecretGardeno]

I guess I ought to start the catch up. These are from 12.27 (After 10 days away my friend didnt kill her!)

Hope everyone enjoys.

GG84 if you are still out there hit me up bro.

-sg

[MonkeyBone]

Wow man! They are coming great! Happy to be here again!

[oSecretGardeno]

what up monk, good to see you back.

hope things are going well for you.

i already pulled this girl down and I am about a month into my next grow. Hempy Buckets are going wild; inches a day in veg! I've got some chicks and some cool new strains, so you should come check it out. There should be a link in my sig at some point.

take care bud,

-sg

[oSecretGardeno]

Doesn't look like I will have my harvest pics available for another 2 weeks or so. Busting my personal laptop is a pain in my ass.

I hate to say it but this log is probably about donezo until I throw up the last pics and the smoke report.

Everyone come and join me on the new hempy log ...

Hempy Buckets - Durban Poison, Gigabud, PowerSkunk, Afghani (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/167689-hempy-buckets-dp-durban-poison-g13-power-skunk-g13-gigabud-afghani.html#post1962309)

Things are getting wild in there and we should be going beautifully when I flip them 2 weeks from today.

PEACE OUT

-sg

[theeviltrees]

Hey secret,

What was the total days you spent in veg, then in flowering? Could you tell us what yeild you got too?

Sorry to hear about your laptop, being looking forward to the the pics.

L8rs.

[oSecretGardeno]

hey eviltrees,

30 days in veg, 62 days in flowering. The CFLs definitely cause the flowering to take a bit longer then the seedbank's specs. I probably could have gone another week if I really wanted, but this stuff still gets me pretty damn good.

Yield off the one plant, approx 2 oz. Not a whole lot, but definitely a good first run. I can't tell the exact numbers because I just got my scale and well ... quite a lot of it has been gifted to my friends and brain.

Thanks for stopping by, I'll try to get those pics up at some point.

Peace bro,

-sg

[temujin8]

Lookin tasty!

[albatrossSKY]

awesome grow, 2 oz from 1 plant seems like a pretty good yield to me