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[mercenarywubby]

Hello there! I'm Wubby, just joined this site and thought I'd get an inspection!

These plants are about 5-6 weeks old. They have been under 12/12 for one week now. Its a lot of space and I haven't killed off the males yet (can't tell their sex) and I was wondering if maybe I should put them back in 18/6 for 2-3 more months?

Thanks!

[mercenarywubby]

Ill take anything :P

[hydrocannabis]

I would putt them on 24 hours of light. so they can get bigger and bud more in the end.

so how much R U watering and do U have a fan in there.

[mercenarywubby]

I'm thinking about it. I heard a lot of people tell me that my plants might not take the adjustment back to 18/6 so well and might die. So I might just keep them flowering.

I just transplanted them from small clear party cups and I know transplanting requires good watering, so I've been very, very generous with the water. ITs been 6+ hours since their last watering and the soil is still pretty damp.

A fan on the inside blowing on the plants? No, I'm picking that up tommorow.
A fan on top to work as an exhaust? Yes, I do.

[nick19882003]

they look too small to be in flowering? are those the lights you're gonna use through flowering too? didn't look like the lights were very close but I dont remember:smokin: also they needed to be on 24 hours or light and the different container(s) the roots don't have much room to grow but by the looks of it you wont really get anything if they stay alive for flowering =\ :stoned:


*edit* nevermind the lights look close enough and the rubbermaid thing should be good for now but if they were a couple months older and bigger like they should be and u put them into flowering there wouldn't be adequate root grow space imo people told me since i use floros to put my plants into flower early if they're healthy but yours look way small these are just my opinions i'm sure they experts will be on to answer any question you have and give u pointers but flowering you should use the tube grow bulbs if u seperate them all into buckets i use 2 4' bulbs it works fine here are pictures b careful with watering let it get pretty dry a few inches down

[mercenarywubby]

Alright I'll put them back into vegging. The plants are very healthy, I don't doubt that they will live to harvest.

[nick19882003]

well they don't look incredibly healthy:wtf: but either way look at their size, how would you get any smoke from that?

[mercenarywubby]

I thought so too. You're right, so I put them back under veg a few minutes ago. The timer is 18/6. I'll wait another month and inspect then, maybe then I'll flower. If not, I'll wait 1 more month after that then definitely flower for 1-2 months.

I also picked off the dying/dead leaves.

[nick19882003]

good job and yeah 18/6 is probably better than 24/0..24/0 is what i used to veg of course but they're probably already in shock from transplant and then change of lights twice but u said it's been about a week? hopefully they'll be find probably stunted somewhat but hopefully not stressed enough to hermi
good luck

[mercenarywubby]

Thank you, yeah 24/0 is too much. They need rest/time to grow their roots, imo. Yes about a week, and god I hope they're not hermi's. Do you keep hermi's I heard they produce 100% feminized seeds.

Thank ya.

[mercenarywubby]

I'm debating on 24/0 or 18/6.

Currently have them under 24/0. If 24/0 is suggested, then do I give them like 12 hour rest once a week? Or should they stay on 24/7 until done vegging and ready for flowering?

[nick19882003]

all I can say is hope someone that knows alot about it give u an opinion or do some research on the internet about messing with their lighting, I think you would be ok with 18/6 just to be safe cause I moved my plants into that about that size or maybe bigger i just dont know how they would react

keep it on 24 and see how it looks in about a week or so also the tube grow bulbs help alot it's only 10 dollars for a four foot light fixture from wal mart and about 10 for each grow bulb from home depot

[mercenarywubby]

I'd really appreciate any more information that anyone can provide.

Box Dimensions:

Width: 1 foot 2 inches
Length: 2 feet 1 inch
Height: 2 feet 6 inches

[bluntwiz]

Hi -- I wouldnt mess with the lighting too much. Pick one and stick to it.
If you decide to go with 24/0, stick to it until you are done vegging (same with 18/6). But switching the lighting back and forth confuses the plant IMO.

Good luck

[stinkyattic]

Pick a light regime and stick with it. In your case, go to 12/12 immediately for several reasons:
-Box WAY too small to support the # of plants in there to harvest
-Appearance of heat stress and possibly overwatering; ventilation and/or drainage appear inadequate
-Multiple plants in one pot= bad and killing males ASAP is of prime importance.
-Soil in box too heavy; I see no lightener. As such, this is definitely going to be a learning experience and you don't want to waste time vegging longer
-Plants are hungry and need to be fed.

Get this cycle over with and start the next one correctly... 1st link in my siggy is good info. Start in small, individual pots in light soil with proper feeding and ventilation.

[mickeybuddaboy]

well....
growing those seeds are risky they'll produce 2/3 hermi seeds and 1/3 female so no males:thumbsup: but whoever told you they would produce 100% feminised seeds lied:wtf:
and yea stinky laid it all out for ya so if i were you i would just do some research on the internet and you wwont be as confused and make the same rookie mistakes
One Love:rastasmoke:

[stinkyattic]

growing those seeds are risky they'll produce 2/3 hermi seeds and 1/3 female so no males but whoever told you they would produce 100% feminised seeds lied
The concept of hermies and fems is a lot more complicated than that.
Here... read ;)
http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/5213-fems-hermies-changed-title-feminize-your-own-seeds-2.html#post1749135

[mercenarywubby]

Here are some update pics.

As for the number of plants, I figured it was too much but since its my first grow I just wanted to give it a shot. Wouldn't flowering now produce virtually zero yield? Or would you be able to give me a guesstimate?

Next time I definitely will buy perilite and such to lighten the soil and increase drainage.

I raised the lights a few inches, I didn't think heat stress would be an issue with cfl's. I have a computer fan working as an exhaust 24/7.

I have yet to add nutes, theres so many and its all so confusing. I assume thats what you were referring to when you said they were hungry?

Next time I will use individual pots. How many would you suggest for this box?

Thanks for the input you guys!:smokin:

[godzira]

One pot per plant keep growing the pot size with the plant. Depending upon how big they are at the start of the flowering cycle you could be up to a 3-5 gallon pot per plant. Start with some of the Fox Farm nutes, they are simple and effective from what I have found. Mine have been in the flowering cycle for less than 3 weeks and they are 42 inches tall. Just depends how much you want to yield.:jointsmile:

[mercenarywubby]

Just want to post an update picture! The plants are looking INCREDIBLY healthy and experienced quite the growth explosion since the cabinet received a reflective cover instead of blinds, and since re-entering the vegetation stage.

On November 6th I'm going to flower them :3 (Exactly 2 months since germination) and hopefully they'll be harvest able by Thanksgiving.

Here is the image: ImageShack - Hosting :: 5daysbackintorevegitatikj8.jpg (http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=5daysbackintorevegitatikj8.jpg)

Grasscity keeps encountering a problem when I try to upload it.

[BigGreen21]

Hey (sorry I can't help more than has already been done) I got a question, in that pic what is the two liter thinga-ma-jigger in the bottom right hand corner?

Your plants look great in that pic by the way.

[nick19882003]

yes they do look alot more healthy but how would there be any way for them to stretch their roots enough to go to flowering??... Are u planning on repotting them or what?

[mercenarywubby]

The soda bottle item in the bottom right is a self watering mechanism using a soda bottle, some soil, and cotton string with a pool of water in the bottom portion. I love it :D

Yes, yes, I've been hearing the whole "you need pots" thing a lot. I do plan on transplanting them to individual pots. Thought the container they're currently in is just fine for a good while. The roots don't need to compete for water, there is plenty going around. When I water, if I hear it dripping into the boxes beneath it, thats how I know the soil is sufficiently wet and that all the roots should have sufficient water to drink.

[BigGreen21]

Nifty little item.

I was wondering, is it tough getting them out of the Rubbermaid w/out cutting the roots all up?

[mercenarywubby]

Since I'll be investing in pots. I did the math on the dimensions of the box and I believe for this grow, round pots with a 5 inch diameter seem to be the best choice.

In my future grows, pretty soon, probably right after this one, I'll be doing sea of green. I know the rule of thumb for SoG is 4 plants per square foot. But I was thinking of fitting 6 per square foot. Which, in 4 inch diameter pots, would equal to 21 clones. Do 4 inch pots with a depth of maybe 6-7 inches sound good? Or should I do 7 inch diameter pots with around the same depth?

Thanks!

[4x4Turbo]

Are those 26w cfl's??? You're lighting is not up to par, even for veg. You need a lot more light, when you go 12/12 do yourself a favor and buy a $100 250 or 400w hps off ebay. You won't regret it. I just started posting my grow using 6 26w cfls and 3 42w cfls and i plan on using a 400w hps to flower them. Ventilation is the only problem, i plan on solving it by venting to another room, i just hope a 4in inline HD fan will do the job! Plants are looking better bro, 24/7 won't kill em but it sure doesn't do them any good. I made the same mistake the first 2wks of my current grow and on top of that I used a aquarium light, way out of the plants light spectrum and it still didn't kill them! but they pretty much stopped growing until they saw the cfl's :)

[jdsoil]

If your on a very short veg cycle (2 weeks) with the clones you may be able to pull off the 6 plants per square foot. If your planning on cramming all those plants into a small space why waste money on round planters when what you really need is some square planters. A quick lighting reminder, 5000 lumens for every 1 square foot. Each 23 or 26 watt CFL only puts out 1600 lumens.

[GoldenGraham84]

jdsoil, you know i have 26W rated at 1750L. silly man... :jointsmile:

[mercenarywubby]

Hey guys! Thought I'd post Saturdays picture, show you all how the plants are coming along :3.

Two weeks until flowering, fuck yeah!

[mercenarywubby]

:pimp: Not much longer to go. 1 week until flowering.

[mercenarywubby]

Man, was hoping to have more peoples input, slow board. The plants went through 2 days of darkness and today at 8 o'clock began their flowering cycle.

And of course, here's a pic, its from the 31st of October. Next Saturday I will take a photo of their first week flowering.

[nick19882003]

good to see you got them repotted

they look a little unhealthy(at least the one on the right) have you found out the problem of that? nutrients?

other than that they do look good man and glad you got them seperated but maybe ur cfls are 2 high?

[mercenarywubby]

Yep, doubled them up, its a bit messier but I suppose its worth it.

Yes I know, I'm worried myself, I'm not sure what the problem is, but my main theory is when we repotted them, we trimmed their roots, so that might be the issue. We've given them liquid worm castings so there's no nute deficiency.

I can't lower them anymore if I wanted to, plus I think that's a myth, see the 3 tomato plants growing near the floor of the whole box? Completely healthy and green.

I will be adding 4 more cfl's though.

[mercenarywubby]

Current tally:
2/11 dead due to nute overdose
5/11 male
4/11 have not shown sex

2 weeks of flowering (November 20th)